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    The Best Cities To Live In For Fans Of Rock And Roll Museums And The Cleveland Browns https://www.theonion.com/the-best-cities-to-live-in-for-fans-of-rock-and-roll-mu-1844466314

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    YouTuber makes list of 10 best big city downtowns in the USA, both Cincinnati and Cleveland make the list. There's a few glaring omissions that make it hard to take the list seriously (plus a clear Mi

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    I question their methodology:   The Best Cities To Live In For Fans Of Rock And Roll Museums And The Cleveland Browns

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^ I find it odd that Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and Denver, among other fairly large cities, are not even mentioned in the article or shown on the diagram... Makes me wonder. I'd at least like to see Cleveland compared to the rest.

Cleveland has Sherwin-Williams, KeyCorp, Cliffs Natural Resources, and Eaton, which is still on the list.

 

Clevelands suburbs have, Parker Hannifin, Progressive, Aleris, and TravelCenters of America

Right. I would like to see CLE on the diagram though... I just find it weird that Akron would be on the list and not Cleveland. Along with the other cities I listed above.

You'll notice that the Atlantic Cities author states the city and metro size is taken into consideration for this study.  However, Akron (Metro: 703,200) obviously gets credit for both Goodyear (Akron) and First Energy (Akron) while Toledo (Metro: 651,409) obviously isn't given credit for both Owens Corning (Toledo) and Dana Holding (Maumee).  So the author is failing their readership, or the University of Toronto/Prosperity Institute people did something dumb like use metro population but only count corporations within the hub city.

Apparently the Atlantic Cities data that they first mention cites the Fortune 500 list, but the study they're citing in the second half of the story uses the Fortune Global 500 list; of course the author doesn't mention it. Akron's number of ~1.4 then makes sense because presumably Goodyear would be on that list and not First Energy.  1(company on the list) / 0.7(millions of metro population = 1.4

Saint Louis is a huge out-performer in having a ton of major companies, but they aren't on the list. Something is fishy.

Loretto is correct. They based it on the global fortune 500 list, of which the USA has 132. The article posted doesn't lead you to that conclusion, though. You have to go to the data they used and read that article.

  • 2 weeks later...

Dayton:  Wer're number two, but we try harder!

 

America's Emptiest Cities 2012

 

Each quarter, the Census Bureau publishes data on homeowner and rental vacancies in the 75 largest cities. Listed here are the five cities with the most vacancies, using a weighted ranking of both rental and homeowner vacancies based on a 12-month average of both kinds of vacancy rates to smooth out sampling errors. Weights are assigned to rental and homeowner vacancies according to the national proportion of homes to rental properties in the U.S. Our list reveals the most significant outliers in both categories relative to other major U.S. cities.

 

(They are ufront with their methodology, and seems like a rational way to rank-order places by vacany)

 

The list:

 

1. Orlando

2. Dayton

3. Memphis

4. Detroit

5. Richmond

 

...so some suprises.  From their article that downtown pix makes Memphis look pretty interesting and actually sort of downtownish.  I really need to visit there one of these days.

 

Anyhow, vacancy also equates to affordability, so if you have a job that pays above subsistance you are seeing, probably, lower housing costs and maybe more discretionary income. I know Dayton scored near the top for affordability in one of those lists....

 

 

If you click through to the full Top 10 article, numbers 6 through 10 contain some even bigger surprises:

 

6. Las Vegas

7. Atlanta

8. Houston

9. Tampa

10. Toledo

I'm surprised about Richmond.

  • 3 weeks later...

20 Best cities for 20-Somethings.

 

It’s hard to pinpoint what qualities 20-somethings go for in picking the perfect city. Sustainability, efficient transit systems, cleanliness, and affordability may make the top of the list. Dig a bit further, and others may add walkability of streets, prevalence of gyms, and overall well-being. Number of happy hours, zoos, and places to booze may be factors, too. So running with that list (plus a few city-specific features we just couldn’t resist considering) we bring you 20 of the best cities to enjoy your carefree twenties (or thirties).

 

Rest here: http://greatist.com/health/best-cities-for-twenties/#

 

The List:

1) Albuquerque

2) Austin

3) Boston

4) Boulder

5) Burlington, VT

6) Chicago

7) Cleveland

8 ) Dallas

9)Denver

10) Honolulu

11) Madison

12) New York

13) Philadelphia

14) Portland

15) Sacramento

16) San Diego

17) San Jose

18) Seattle

19) Phoenix

20) Washington

7) Cleveland

 

Re: Another dumb-a$$ list/Ranking of cities

It's a dumbass list when it's negative. It's an accurately, awesome list when it's positive. :mrgreen:

7) Cleveland

 

Re: Another dumb-a$$ list/Ranking of cities

It's a dumbass list when it's negative. It's an accurately, awesome list when it's positive. :mrgreen:

 

No..... it's still a dumbass list, albeit awesome.

Cleveland's Hot Dog District along Lorain Ave is truly magical when the sun goes down.  How were we not placed higher?  Slaw dogs and prostitutes as far as the eye can see!...

The Hot Dog District?

Steves Lunch is ground zero of the burgeoning HDD. I was there after midnight. Slaw dog was as fine as ever. Though the sign was down, so accidentally drove past it at first.

 

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I'm guessing cheese coneys make Cincy #1.

 

Now that I looked at the gap between first and second place, I am quite certain of it.

That pix of Steve's Lunch was sweet...those are the kind of places I love to discover on my road trips..

The sign is gone!  That's unfortunate.  The hazy red neon glow is a HDD landmark.  Sweaty hot dogs and RC Cola ahead.

20 Best cities for 20-Somethings.

 

It’s hard to pinpoint what qualities 20-somethings go for in picking the perfect city. Sustainability, efficient transit systems, cleanliness, and affordability may make the top of the list. Dig a bit further, and others may add walkability of streets, prevalence of gyms, and overall well-being. Number of happy hours, zoos, and places to booze may be factors, too. So running with that list (plus a few city-specific features we just couldn’t resist considering) we bring you 20 of the best cities to enjoy your carefree twenties (or thirties).

 

Rest here: http://greatist.com/health/best-cities-for-twenties/#

 

The List:

1) Albuquerque

2) Austin

3) Boston

4) Boulder

5) Burlington, VT

6) Chicago

7) Cleveland

8 ) Dallas

9)Denver

10) Honolulu

11) Madison

12) New York

13) Philadelphia

14) Portland

15) Sacramento

16) San Diego

17) San Jose

18) Seattle

19) Phoenix

20) Washington

 

Anyone who has been to Albuquerque knows this list is a joke.  It's a less than desirable city.  That's my nice way of saying it's a dump.  Anyone else notice how that list seems practically alphabetized?

Now that you mention it..... it IS alphabetized.  Which means, absent some mind-boggling coincidence, that it is just a list of 20 great cities for 20 somethings, not a ranking from 1-20

Steves Lunch is ground zero of the burgeoning HDD. I was there after midnight. Slaw dog was as fine as ever. Though the sign was down, so accidentally drove past it at first.

 

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Not a list but they do suggest adding Cleveland to your list of hot dog tourism spots.....

 

http://www.seriouseats.com/2010/12/hot-dog-of-the-week-steves-lunch-in-cleveland-ohio.html

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Now that you mention it..... it IS alphabetized.  Which means, absent some mind-boggling coincidence, that it is just a list of 20 great cities for 20 somethings, not a ranking from 1-20

 

Phoenix?

^ That's why I said practically.  Read carefully.

Top Hot Dog Cities

1. Cincinnati

6. Columbus

14. Toledo (Detroit is 2)

19. Cleveland

 

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20120825/ISSUE01/120829840/its-a-man-eat-dog-city

 

I'm putting Detroit, Toledo, and Cincinnati as top 3 hot dog cities in terms of quality. I don't think they should be measuring by percent of menu items. They should measure just raw numbers of hot dog-centric restaurants and stands. Toledo would rank much higher with local chains like Tony Packo's, Rudy's, Charlie's, Coney Island, etc. I think Toledo is damn near a league of its own due to the variety, cheap prices, and consistent quality found across the metro area. Packo's is my favorite hot dog restaurant in America, but Rudy's is excellent too (amazing prices, and I like their spaghetti chili mac much more than Skyline). For coneys, I actually prefer Toledo to Detroit. I think quality tends to be more consistent at Toledo's Coney Island-style restaurants and Packo's just offers something spicier and more flavorful.

 

Regardless, I think Detroit, Toledo, and Cincinnati walk all over Chicago. I was never a Chicago dog fan...

Chicago hot dogs are more about the dogs not having a lot of additives, how they are cooked (steamed), and....especially....the toppings. 

 

I didnt know Cincy had anything special about hot dogs.  Their street food is that chili.

 

 

^...which is served on top of hot dogs.

What about Huntington? They've got all those really good hot dog places like Hillbilly and Stewart's. City might be too small.

^

thanx for that tip on Huntington!

^...which is served on top of hot dogs.

 

Of which I had three today for lunch!

^...which is served on top of hot dogs.

 

Of which I had three today for lunch!

 

you're not the only one.  Someone did a survey back around 1990 that said that 80% of Cincinnatians had chili at least once a week.  And that is probably why we're tops in hot dog consumption per capita.

That website creeps me out. It feels like all the people on it are fake.

^...which is served on top of hot dogs.

 

Of which I had three today for lunch!

 

you're not the only one.  Someone did a survey back around 1990 that said that 80% of Cincinnatians had chili at least once a week.  And that is probably why we're tops in hot dog consumption per capita.

 

I really never understood this. I mean, how could you call a cheese coney a hot dog? Its smaller than my pinky. If anything, its a mini-dog. Its just like the skyline chili isn't quite chili, its meat sauce. Places like Senate, they serve hot dogs. Skyline does not. Just my opinion. Not trying to start anything, but I really wouldn't call a cheese coney a hot dog, and I have to imagine thats what inflates Cinci's numbers in that calculation. Interesting, none the less!

I will say Toledo in my opinion is the Hotdog capital of America.  I can never believe when going through there how many free standing hotdog diners there are with Ideal, Rudys, Tony Packo's, Coney Islands, A&W's etc.  It just amazes me taht they can all stay in business.  And the above metioned ones are chains with multiple locations around Toledo.  It must be from the Detroit influence. 

^ That's why I said practically.  Read carefully.

 

I didn't quote you, though, I quoted the guy that definitively said it was alphabetized. 

^...which is served on top of hot dogs.

 

Of which I had three today for lunch!

 

you're not the only one.  Someone did a survey back around 1990 that said that 80% of Cincinnatians had chili at least once a week.  And that is probably why we're tops in hot dog consumption per capita.

 

I really never understood this. I mean, how could you call a cheese coney a hot dog? Its smaller than my pinky. If anything, its a mini-dog. Its just like the skyline chili isn't quite chili, its meat sauce. Places like Senate, they serve hot dogs. Skyline does not. Just my opinion. Not trying to start anything, but I really wouldn't call a cheese coney a hot dog, and I have to imagine thats what inflates Cinci's numbers in that calculation. Interesting, none the less!

 

I will give you that individually, none of the ingredients would knock your socks off. But there's something about putting it all together that is fantastic. But, different strokes. For instance, I don't get the Chicago style hot dog at all. Steamed bun (blech) on a steamed dog, and then to top it all off they stick a tomato on top...I mean, a tomato?? What the @#$% is wrong with you people??

Chicago will change anything in any old way to make it "Chicago-style" Like their 3x2 cornhole boards.

I will say Toledo in my opinion is the Hotdog capital of America.  I can never believe when going through there how many free standing hotdog diners there are with Ideal, Rudys, Tony Packo's, Coney Islands, A&W's etc.  It just amazes me taht they can all stay in business.  And the above metioned ones are chains with multiple locations around Toledo.  It must be from the Detroit influence. 

 

Thank you. Toledo is an incredible city for coneys. No place I've been to matches it, not even Detroit. In terms of history, Detroit and Toledo both got big with coneys around the same time, but supposedly Jackson, Michigan is the birthplace. I don't think anyone knows for sure. That's one part of the Toledo diet I will always miss. California has no idea what they're doing...they do Mexican and just about everything else right, but when it comes to coneys, chili mac, and Lebanese food, Toledo reigns supreme. The city really needs to start pushing its food more. I wish Packo's and Rudy's would go national. They'd be huge hits for late night food in just about any nightlife district.

not really a dumb ass list, but gives the business density of America's metro areas. From the Atlantic Cities.

 

The Geography of Business Density

 

 

As urban living becomes ever-more crowded and compact, cities are increasingly seen as a fundamental driver of progress and prosperity.

 

While density is doubtless important, cities must also be able to balance the crude packing-in of people with the ability of residents and businesses to interact. The skyscraper districts of Asia’s mega-cities are phenomenally dense, but they can function as vertical sprawl, inhibiting the very kinds of interactivity that density is supposed to promote....

 

... A number of Midwest metros also rank highly. Chicago is sixth (32.9), Milwaukee ninth (26.7), and Cleveland 10th (26.3). Detroit is 13th (25.2) and Buffalo 17th.

 

Here are the midwestern/Rust belt metros in the top 20 rated by the article:

 

#6 Chicago-Naperville-Joliet, IL-IN-WI 32.9 Businesses/Square mile

 

#9 Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI 26.7 Businesses/Square mile

 

#10 Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor, OH 26.3 Businesses/Square mile

 

#13 Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI 25.2 Businesses/Square mile

 

#17 Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NY 17.1 Businesses/Square mile

 

Read the rest here: http://www.theatlanticcities.com/jobs-and-economy/2012/09/geography-business-density/2807/

 

Louisville is in the top 20, (I think 18 or so?)....and Dayton clocks in below perennial basket-case Youngstown, at a ranking of 80, pushing to get in the bottom 20.

All 3-C's did better than "our biggest problem" - Chicago.  They also all did better than the concrete jungle - NYC.  And better than the southeast powerhouses - Orlando, Charlotte and Atlanta :)

I was just happy to see Cleveland in the middle quintile.

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