February 23, 201015 yr In my opinion, as far as sports teams go, I'd rather have a bad team than no team. Even a bad team gives us something to come together and gripe about. Without the Browns and the embarrassment they've been over the decades I don't know what I'd have done with my Sunday afternoons in the fall for most of my life. Sat and watched some other city's team win or lose and be jealous? How is that better than watching OUR team lose? And if I lived in some city without a baseball team, what would I do with those couple nights a year when I like to go watch a game? Watching on TV is no match to being at the game in person. Even a loss isn't that bad when you have cheap tickets but move down to the good seats after a couple innings when you see that the ballpark is half empty. Besides even in a losing season, the Indians win plenty of games. The excitement running through the Jake last year when the indians scored off a ball hitting a seagull was something you just can't match when you're watching the game on a screen. Misery wise, I'll take a bad team over no team.
February 23, 201015 yr I agree they make their fans miserable. I wonder if anyone actually moves here from elsewhere and becomes (and stays) a Browns fan, or if truly, 100% (or very close to it) of their fans are people who grew up in Cleveland, because I don't understand why anyone else would be a Browns fan. I understand why natives are fans, they grew up as fans and are extremely loyal, but you know, when my sister's family moved to Chicago they became fans of some of those sports teams. When they moved to WI they became Packers fans, when I moved to LA I liked the Lakers and even went to a couple of Dodger games, many people just become fans of the team wherever they live, but I wonder if transplants to cleveland do this with the Browns, because they just seem to always be so awful. Not trying to be mean, it's a serious question. But I dont' think we have any way to accurately answer it, I'm just curious. Let's just say "bandwagon" and "Browns fan" don't belong in the same sentence together, there's no such animal. From talking with people that moved to Cleveland, I would say MANY of them become Tribe fans, some become Cavs fans, but very few change allegiances with their former team and become Browns fans. Though some adopt them as their "second team", I'm hoping Holmgren changes all that.. I became a Browns' fan! But, uh, my home team is the Rams, so yeah........
February 24, 201015 yr Sorry, have to disagree. Especially here in Cleveland. We have the double whammy of insanely passionate fans that let sports consume them and the worst luck, absolute heartbreak sports teams.
February 24, 201015 yr In my opinion, as far as sports teams go, I'd rather have a bad team than no team. Even a bad team gives us something to come together and gripe about. Without the Browns and the embarrassment they've been over the decades I don't know what I'd have done with my Sunday afternoons in the fall for most of my life. Sat and watched some other city's team win or lose and be jealous? How is that better than watching OUR team lose? And if I lived in some city without a baseball team, what would I do with those couple nights a year when I like to go watch a game? Watching on TV is no match to being at the game in person. Even a loss isn't that bad when you have cheap tickets but move down to the good seats after a couple innings when you see that the ballpark is half empty. Besides even in a losing season, the Indians win plenty of games. The excitement running through the Jake last year when the indians scored off a ball hitting a seagull was something you just can't match when you're watching the game on a screen. Misery wise, I'll take a bad team over no team. I agree, and I'll take it a step further. I've been living in Indianapolis for the last four years, and I can say I'd much rather be one of many passionate hard-luck Browns fans than be associated with the Indy fan base that had 11 people show up at the airport to welcome home the Colts after the Super Bowl. 11!!! Incredible. Personally, I'd much rather be a part of a passionate fan base that doesn't have much to cheer for than a weak fan base that barely shows up when their team wins. Unfortunately, that doesn't make being a Browns fan much easier.
February 24, 201015 yr In my opinion, as far as sports teams go, I'd rather have a bad team than no team. Even a bad team gives us something to come together and gripe about. Without the Browns and the embarrassment they've been over the decades I don't know what I'd have done with my Sunday afternoons in the fall for most of my life. Sat and watched some other city's team win or lose and be jealous? How is that better than watching OUR team lose? And if I lived in some city without a baseball team, what would I do with those couple nights a year when I like to go watch a game? Watching on TV is no match to being at the game in person. Even a loss isn't that bad when you have cheap tickets but move down to the good seats after a couple innings when you see that the ballpark is half empty. Besides even in a losing season, the Indians win plenty of games. The excitement running through the Jake last year when the indians scored off a ball hitting a seagull was something you just can't match when you're watching the game on a screen. Misery wise, I'll take a bad team over no team. I agree, and I'll take it a step further. I've been living in Indianapolis for the last four years, and I can say I'd much rather be one of many passionate hard-luck Browns fans than be associated with the Indy fan base that had 11 people show up at the airport to welcome home the Colts after the Super Bowl. 11!!! Incredible. Personally, I'd much rather be a part of a passionate fan base that doesn't have much to cheer for than a weak fan base that barely shows up when their team wins. Unfortunately, that doesn't make being a Browns fan much easier. My friends bother who is a die hard Browns fan is living in Indianapolis too, and basically said that the Colts fans are really limp noodles. No passion and most of them really don't know much about football (As opposed to Browns Fans who think they know "everything" about football)
February 24, 201015 yr As much as it pains me to be a die-hard Reds fan ... I agree ... local sports have a huge impact on a city's "mood."
February 24, 201015 yr It depends on the region. Just some opinion here... Seattle has a history of crappy sports' teams (though the Mariners are going to studs this year), yet this has no real bearing on the aggregate misery of the city. It's a beautiful city with a phenomenal economy, and even when the Mariners, Seahawks, and (until '06) Supersonics played badly (and man did those teams have some bad years), I don't see the city's populace feeling all that bad. It's just not a sports' city despite having had three major teams. In Northside Chicago, when the Cubs play poorly, everyone is depressed (I lived in Skokie for a a few years so this is just in my experience). However, the White Sox playing badly doesn't have the same kind of overall effect at that area. When the Bulls were hot in the 90s, everyone was having a great time in Chicago. Right now, when the Bulls lose, it isn't that big a deal, at least when compared to the Cubbies losing (again, just affecting Northsiders). I would say people in San Diego (with its garbage sports' teams) are generally pretty happy. San Fransisco has no real sports teams, yet its populace seems to be in relatively high spirits. But in cities like Dallas and Houston, when the Cowboys and Oilers play badly, I've heard it really takes a lot out of the people. So in Texas, sports are correlated to a city's overall misery, which is virtually impossible to qualify anyhow, but maybe not so much in California. In Cleveland, sports are absolutely a huge part of our city mood. When the Brownies lose, it takes everyone a few days to recover. Even nonfans have got to notice the overall gloomy feel those Sundays and Mondays after the game. When the Cavs lose, well, we're so studly these days that it isn't a huge deal; still, imagine what our city psyche would be today if we had lost yesterday's game. And imagine how we'll feel if LBJ leaves for another team after this summer. We will definitely be completely crushed and far more miserable, at least in the aggregate. I'm a baseball guy and when the Indians lose, I'm crushed. I still can't think of the '97 World Series without getting a little down. Right now, people are furious with the Indians for its terrible contract signings (Wood, Haffner, and Westbrook = waste of money), some of the worst trades in the history of baseball (the Victor and Cliff Lee trades were inexcusable and IMO unforgivable), and a disastrous off season (oh boy, Russel Branyan). It's going to be an ugly summer (they didn't even try to get Lackey - we literally have no pitching), and I guarantee it's going to affect our aggreate misery. So sports can matter on the region. Here it does; other places it might not. ...One last thing. I see a lot of people are getting worked up about this Forbes study on this cite, the PD, cleveland.com, etc. Reminds me of the reaction to those funny Cleveland tourism videos. I think this is way way overblown. I can't imagine people in Chicago or New York are reacting the same way, even though they too are labeled as being among the most miserable cities. It's fun for discussion to a limited degree, but honestly, who cares what Forbes thinks? No one's perception of Cleveland is changing due to the report. It just isn't that big a deal.
February 24, 201015 yr But that's the people letting it affect you, make you miserable or happy depending on the results, or NOT affecting you, as it is in some regions. It's not really a static thing you can (or IMO should) measure, like whether or not schools are good, or if there is good shopping or fantastic parks, things to do with children or a great place for twentysomethings because of great schools and great bars, or a great place to retire because of the mild weather or whatever. I have experienced the "gloom and doom" attitude of the Browns fans and how it's perpetuated by every local media avenue the day after a game, I think everyone makes it worse for themselves by wallowing in it, and how it's not like this other places. And it wasn't like that around here when the Browns were gone for awhile, which was quite nice. It's just odd to me. If I'm ever able to have 100% choice of where to live (say, if I win the lottery), it will definitely be one of those towns where they either don't have any major sports teams, or if they do, they're viewed as a fun way to go get some sporting entertainment with friends or family, not something that makes the fans horribly despondent if they lose or makes you upset when you think about a game they lost over 10 years ago, that is just crazy to me.
February 24, 201015 yr You're showing your age, TB. The Oilers haven't played a home game in Houston since last millennium. So, apparently Positively Cleveland is mounting a campaign to refute the Forbes claims. I rather wish that they didn't inasmuch as it gives credence and attention to that sad rag. Cleveland mounts a defense against "most miserable city" label with online beachhead By Michael K. McIntyre February 24, 2010, 2:56PM CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Everyone knows misery loves company, so Positively Cleveland, the tourism folks for what Forbes.com calls America's most miserable city, has created a place for all of us miserable Clevelanders to gather on the Internet... http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/02/cleveland_mounts_a_defense_aga.html
February 24, 201015 yr ^well you didn't grow up w/sports as part of your life. I did......it helps get me thru the day. knowing that i can come home to watch lebron dunk on fools is comforting to my stress filled day. Im sure there's things you find important to a city that no one else cares about. to each their own.
February 24, 201015 yr Author Cleveland mounts a defense against "most miserable city" label with online beachhead CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Everyone knows misery loves company, so Positively Cleveland, the tourism folks for what Forbes.com calls America's most miserable city, has created a place for all of us miserable Clevelanders to gather on the Internet. But whattheforbes.com is not a cyber bunker to shield us from the slings and arrows of outrageous list-makers. The site, which went live Wednesday, is more like a beachhead in a battle for Cleveland' s pride, where poor souls - if we can muster the courage to drag ourselves out of bed to face this bleak existence - can fight back with videos, photos and comments. There are also contests with prizes that encourage Northeast Ohoians to bring a friend to town to share in the misery of world-class food, shopping, entertainment and sporting events. By the time this is over, Clevelanders could top another Forbes list: Most fiercely loyal. http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/02/cleveland_mounts_a_defense_aga.html#postComment
February 25, 201015 yr Forbes.com's Misery Measure takes into account unemployment, taxes (both sales and income), commute times, violent crime and how a city's pro sports teams have fared over the past two years. The most common themes for the included Ohio cities are an exodus of the population due to miserable weather, unemployment, high taxes, and corrupt public officials. How do we make Ohio more attractive? Address the issues that are taken into account in the Misery Measure. unemployment - can't tackle directly taxes (both sales and income) - balance budget, build a surplus, lower taxes commute times - does Ohio have bad commutes? violent crime - keep violent criminals in prison longer is one idea, harsher punishments in general how a city's pro sports teams have fared - can't tackle directly though I've noticed the pro teams that win a lot tend o come from "hot" cities
February 25, 201015 yr ^well you didn't grow up w/sports as part of your life. I did......it helps get me thru the day. knowing that i can come home to watch lebron dunk on fools is comforting to my stress filled day. Im sure there's things you find important to a city that no one else cares about. to each their own. I know exactly what you mean ... it's like when you first meet that special someone. You cannot wait to get off work to see this person.
February 25, 201015 yr Frankly I don't think there is anything Ohio can do. We can't copy Pennsylvania's turnaround because I fear we would need a 5M+ metro with lots of national universities to spark a biotech/services renaissance. Our weather sucks. We're kind of broke. On the other hand, necessity is the mother of invention. Many people in Ohio like it the way it is, or they can't afford to leave. I tend to believe that Ohio would be better off with one large city; that in a post-industrial economy our flock of mid-size cities is more liability than asset. But if I were God and I could push people and resources around within the state, I don't even know where I'd start. Would I go for direct competition with Chicago, and make another Great Lakes metropolis in the finest Burnham tradition? Would I capitalize on the Midwestern image of Columbus, and build a clean, flat, highly educated metropolis that competed with Minneapolis, Boston, and Seattle? Or would I think outside the box and create Munich on the Ohio River, supercharging Cincinnati's unique setting as a "southern northern" metropolis, more conservative than the rest, but with great natural beauty and a high-tech economy.
February 26, 201015 yr Frankly I don't think there is anything Ohio can do. We can't copy Pennsylvania's turnaround because I fear we would need a 5M+ metro with lots of national universities to spark a biotech/services renaissance. Our weather sucks. We're kind of broke. On the other hand, necessity is the mother of invention. Many people in Ohio like it the way it is, or they can't afford to leave. I tend to believe that Ohio would be better off with one large city; that in a post-industrial economy our flock of mid-size cities is more liability than asset. But if I were God and I could push people and resources around within the state, I don't even know where I'd start. Would I go for direct competition with Chicago, and make another Great Lakes metropolis in the finest Burnham tradition? Would I capitalize on the Midwestern image of Columbus, and build a clean, flat, highly educated metropolis that competed with Minneapolis, Boston, and Seattle? Or would I think outside the box and create Munich on the Ohio River, supercharging Cincinnati's unique setting as a "southern northern" metropolis, more conservative than the rest, but with great natural beauty and a high-tech economy. I agree 100%, and I vote for Cleveland; need to finish what Burnham started.. Cleveland could blow Chicago away; Emerald Necklace and just better overall topography, the Islands (PIB a 1 hour boat ride), Cedar Point/Water Parks, 3 hours to Niagara Falls (and Canada), closer to the east coast.
February 26, 201015 yr Cleveland really could blow Chicago out of the water but I'm not sure what sort of springboard could leverage it into that sort of future. Columbus is different and nice for other reasons. I hope it grows in smart way so it's not crippled when times change and it's no longer growing. Cincinnati could be any city on the Ohio or Mississippi rivers if it continues to gain momentum. I think the second tier of Ohio cities (Dayton, Toledo, Youngstown, Akron) need radical reform that focuses on engaging their current residents, downsizing and working in a metropolitan way to create urban growth boundaries and enact smart growth principles. Just my two cents.
February 26, 201015 yr If I hear the weather issue again I will scream. "weather sucks" that depends on what people define as "sucking" in weather. Personally, I am someone who finds beauty in ALL weather. I LOVE a seasonal change and moodiness in weather. I cannot do a sunny day every day and wind up getting crows feat from squinting all the time. It really is not that bad here...so what? You get 4 months or so of the hard stuff....a few of the wet...and the rest is fine...basically half/half.. what are the wimps complaining about? If people were extremely physically active outside, they would not want 96 degrees in the shade all year either! I happen to think sun 24/7 SUCKS! Where is one's sense of romance/creativity in making a stormy day the best possible day you can spend with a partner? Tired to death of this incessant woosy whining about the weather.... Waaaaaaaaahhhhh!!!! Grow up and deal with it! Forbes seems to like to pick on cities they seem to think won't defend themselves. Did anyone hear about all the crime sprees with gangs in Melbourne, Australia? Sydney? The declining suburban neighborhoods?.....many of the same problems are escalating here in Syd, yet few hear about it. Could it be that the "richer cities" somehow evade the negative PR of such things. Has it just become a convenience thing to blame Cleveland for everything or assume it is the only city with real issues. EVERY place has their own set of challenges to deal with--and somehow it seems to be assumed that everyone else is successful in dealing with them, or IS dealing with them except Cleveland. At the end of the day, a lot of these Forbes assessments can be very misleading.
February 26, 201015 yr But that's the people letting it affect you, make you miserable or happy depending on the results, or NOT affecting you, as it is in some regions. It's not really a static thing you can (or IMO should) measure, like whether or not schools are good, or if there is good shopping or fantastic parks, things to do with children or a great place for twentysomethings because of great schools and great bars, or a great place to retire because of the mild weather or whatever. I have experienced the "gloom and doom" attitude of the Browns fans and how it's perpetuated by every local media avenue the day after a game, I think everyone makes it worse for themselves by wallowing in it, and how it's not like this other places. And it wasn't like that around here when the Browns were gone for awhile, which was quite nice. It's just odd to me. If I'm ever able to have 100% choice of where to live (say, if I win the lottery), it will definitely be one of those towns where they either don't have any major sports teams, or if they do, they're viewed as a fun way to go get some sporting entertainment with friends or family, not something that makes the fans horribly despondent if they lose or makes you upset when you think about a game they lost over 10 years ago, that is just crazy to me. Agreed.. Sports needn't be the only thing defining your town...Get a new gig, identity....re-invent. Many other things in life to get excited about.
February 27, 201015 yr On a brighter note, I'm thrilled that Positively Cleveland is finally going after Forbes. Forbes releases a derogatory piece about our community seemingly every week now... they need to be stopped. Go CVB! I knew you had it in ya. We can't let an onslaught of bad publicity go unchallenged indefinitely.
February 28, 201015 yr I just looked at their criteria for what their "panel of experts" apparently deem "miserable" and I wonder......is there even such a need for a list? Afterall, this same crap has been harped on and spewed out in so many ways for so many years with different titled lists...... It is as though they come up with a new name for what is essentially a repeated list. Get a new gig already, Forbes. I mean c'mon... "sports?" Now I am a fan of the games, understand the connection with the city/region.... but we truly need to not build our entire economy, hopes, dreams and everyday spirits around this sort of thing. Some could care less about it and discover that life goes on. For every point they make about 'why we're miserable' I can come up with one about WHY we should be happy. So now Forbes rhetoric or a group of people they only approach in cities to gather such information determines what should or should not be something to be miserable about in any given city? Point being..their list is pointless and really irrelevant/redundant. Did anyone see this: http://www.clevescene.com/cleveland/here-and-loathing/Content?oid=1520954 I actually wrote to Cle-plus many times about ideas for improving image, generating better civic pride throughout the region--and on improving attitudes, enthusiasm and knowledge of the area in the hospitality sector and at the airport.
March 1, 201015 yr Forbes has it in for Cleveland. There's proof!: Michael K. McIntyre's Tipoff By Michael K. McIntyre March 01, 2010, 6:30AM It turns out Forbes.com really does have it in for Cleveland. That's not just conspiracy theory babble among those who see a pattern in Forbes most recent polls, one calling us the worst weather city and the other saying we're the most miserable.... Read more at: http://www.cleveland.com/tipoff/index.ssf/2010/03/forbes_has_it_in_for_cleveland.html
March 2, 201015 yr Their cops. That's one of the few times in my life I've been pulled over for DWB. So Parma can always "go to hell" from me! "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 2, 201015 yr Their cops. That's one of the few times in my life I've been pulled over for DWB. So Parma can always "go to hell" from me! DWB?
March 2, 201015 yr Forbes has it in for Cleveland. There's proof!: Michael K. McIntyre's Tipoff By Michael K. McIntyre March 01, 2010, 6:30AM It turns out Forbes.com really does have it in for Cleveland. That's not just conspiracy theory babble among those who see a pattern in Forbes most recent polls, one calling us the worst weather city and the other saying we're the most miserable.... Read more at: http://www.cleveland.com/tipoff/index.ssf/2010/03/forbes_has_it_in_for_cleveland.html Why do people always hate on Parma? It goes all the way back to 60's television in Cleveland with a character called Ghoulardi-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un2AVad96YU&hl=en_US&fs=1& http://www.mainstreetpainesville.org/
March 2, 201015 yr And don't forget about Drew Carey. The next non-Clevelander I meet who asks me if I know Drew Carey is getting a slap on the back of the head.
March 3, 201015 yr And don't forget about Drew Carey. The next non-Clevelander I meet who asks me if I know Drew Carey is getting a slap on the back of the head. I assume that means that you do know him, right?
March 9, 201015 yr Cleveland really could blow Chicago out of the water but I'm not sure what sort of springboard could leverage it into that sort of future. If only Cleveland municipal leaders of yesteryear didn't snub John D. Rockefeller and send his money to Chicago to found the University of Chicago. Cleveland really needs a large kick ass university. I appreciate Case and am proud of its lineage (first to measure speed of light...) but we need a king-pin. Mid-town on Euclid would be great for a University... look what M.I.T. did to the industrial wasteland section of Cambridge. (yes, not all of cambridge looked/looks like Harvard Sq.) P.s. this thread could easily be re-titled: Forbes: The latest questionable list/ranking of cities.
March 9, 201015 yr I've suggested before that midtown, particularly around the Agora, become a college neighborhood shared by Case and CSU. We may not be able to add an entire large university, but we can at least orient that area toward the universities we do have, which happen to both be on the same street where we just built a transit line.
March 9, 201015 yr If I hear the weather issue again I will scream. "weather sucks" that depends on what people define as "sucking" in weather. Personally, I am someone who finds beauty in ALL weather. I LOVE a seasonal change and moodiness in weather. I cannot do a sunny day every day and wind up getting crows feat from squinting all the time. It really is not that bad here...so what? You get 4 months or so of the hard stuff....a few of the wet...and the rest is fine...basically half/half.. what are the wimps complaining about? If people were extremely physically active outside, they would not want 96 degrees in the shade all year either! I happen to think sun 24/7 SUCKS! Where is one's sense of romance/creativity in making a stormy day the best possible day you can spend with a partner? ... The sun causes wrinkles and our women stay beautiful.
March 9, 201015 yr I only went to Parma (and Parma Heights) to visit girlfriends. Twice I was stoped by parma/parma heights cops and they were nasty about it both times. One of those times I was patted down outside my car! I look like (an am) a Pisan. They are (or at least were) nasty to everybody-they had a storm trooper attitude compared to cops in other suburbs. I always thought City of Cleveland cops were very proffesional in comparison to most suburban cops.
March 9, 201015 yr I only went to Parma (and Parma Heights) to visit girlfriends. Twice I was stoped by parma/parma heights cops and they were nasty about it both times. One of those times I was patted down outside my car! I look like (an am) a Pisan. They are (or at least were) nasty to everybody-they had a storm trooper attitude compared to cops in other suburbs. I always thought City of Cleveland cops were very proffesional in comparison to most suburban cops. I heard the same from an African American friend... in my experience it is the Cleveland Hts. police who act like Gestapo... ticketed going *28* in a 25. No it was not a school zone.
March 9, 201015 yr Author What the Forbes!? WATCH (I love it): And: www.whattheforbes.com I think it's awesome that they did this.
March 16, 201015 yr Dude, a Forbes list with NO Ohio cities? Whaaaaaaaaaat? http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/26/real-estate-advisor-personal-finance-housing-defaults_slide.html
March 16, 201015 yr Besides Detroit and Newerk All those cities were the fastest growing this past decade.
March 16, 201015 yr It's interesting the pictures they chose for certain cities- Reno gets a picture of a nice looking suburban neighborhood, Miami gets a picture of a for sale sign laying on the ground (what is that supposed to tell us). Fresno appears to have grown a genuine shantytown. The source data would have been much more interesting to look at than the random pictures and Forbes nearly non existent "analysis" fluff.
March 17, 201015 yr Here's CNN taking a stab at Dayton and Cleveland as far as least desirable for YP's: http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/living/2010/03/16/elam.young.in.city.cnn?hpt=C2
March 17, 201015 yr Here's CNN taking a stab at Dayton and Cleveland as far as least desirable for YP's: http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/living/2010/03/16/elam.young.in.city.cnn?hpt=C2 Not surprising that 4 of the top 10 are in Texas. Good for Oklahoma for having 2 in the top 10. I wonder what Ohio could learn from those two states. Detroit and Cleveland and Dayton, oh my! :(
March 17, 201015 yr Author Funny how Cleveland was in CNN's top 10 cities for best cities for college graduates last year at #5. http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/worklife/05/13/cb.top10.cities.grads/index.html
March 17, 201015 yr Funny how Cleveland was in CNN's top 10 cities for best cities for college graduates last year at #5. http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/worklife/05/13/cb.top10.cities.grads/index.html None of it makes sense.
March 17, 201015 yr Thats the anecdotal, mass media lists for ya, absent of any consistency and sense :roll: Good for a chuckle
March 17, 201015 yr There are over 30,000 job postings right now on indeed.com (see link) within 50 miles of Cleveland, three times as many as either OKC or Tulsa. Cleveland probably has 2-3 times the number of concerts, at least triple the bars/nightclubs, and the housing can't be any more unaffordable, more colleges/universities for continuing education than most cities on the list, yet the hammering continues. http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=&l=cleveland%2C+oh&radius=50 This list makes as much sense as Ann Arbor being named the #1 college town, with places like Fayetteville, Arkansans in the top 10, with no mention of Columbus, Madison, WI, etc.. Ohio (and especially Cleveland) are under attack for its resources and people; media outlets in the major markets are doing their best at creating and maintaining perceptions which lead to reality.
March 17, 201015 yr I know the Cleve isn't perfect, but there does seem to be an increased effort to always place Cleveland at, or near, the top of all crap lists. Could there be an increase of attacks on Cleveland in an attempt to influence LeBron to leave?
March 17, 201015 yr ^ the LeBron angle is plausible but I'm more inclined to believe 8titles' broader theory that Ohio is being attacked by partisans of other states and regions, who happen to own media conglomerates. They benefit directly from any gain their regions make at the expense of the rust belt. And they seem to face precious little consequence for slamming us, so from their perspective there's no sense in stopping.
March 24, 201015 yr Hey, anyone know anything about www.whattheforbes.com? I've heard about it --and that its a good site--but it never seems to load up. Did Forbes protest and was the site taken down? Forbes's 'most miserable city' crap is getting way too much airplay. Cleveland needs an equally strong positive marketing campaign that doesn't come off as typical city marketing, and that is targeted worldwide (which is how far forbes's silly list is making the rounds).
April 30, 201015 yr Here's something interesting. America's Most Polluted Cities: http://realestate.yahoo.com/promo/americas-most-polluted-cities-2010 All of the cities are in California. But inexplicably they have a picture of Cincinnati in the article.
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