April 30, 201015 yr Wow not one reference to Cincinnati yet a front picture of downtown. These guys are great!
June 14, 201015 yr http://www.newsweek.com/feature/2010/americas-best-high-schools/list.html Not a Forbes article but a Newsweek article ranking Highschools. From what I read it appears they heavily based their ranking on access to AP and other advance curiculms. Basis of the index is number of AP tests taken divided by graduated seniors. The study chose this methodology because they found that many schools were concerned with AP passing rates and only let those who they were fairly certain would pass take the tests. My hood, Lakewood does very well under this arbitrary method. The ranking is the national number. The list is for the schools in the state of Ohio in order. 65 Walnut Ridge Columbus OH 4.644 19 84 77 Wyoming Wyoming OH 4.376 6 78.2 121 Chagrin Falls Chagrin Falls OH 3.74 2.93 64.2 190 Indian Hill Cincinnati OH 3.312 3 65.5 196 Solon Solon OH 3.26 2 56.4 229 Lakewood ** Lakewood OH 3.072 30 56 245 Bexley Bexley OH 3.021 6 60 324 Olentangy Liberty Powell OH 2.711 3 55.5 377 Orange Pepper Pike OH 2.543 10 38.8 424 Dublin Jerome ** Dublin OH 2.435 1 54.5 435 Ottawa Hills Ottawa Hills OH 2.421 0 53.2 471 Aurora ** Aurora OH 2.353 1 49.8 509 Beachwood Beachwood OH 2.263 3 41.1 622 Upper Arlington ** Upper Arlington OH 2.083 0 47 626 Dublin Coffman **Dublin OH 2.076 8 38.3 687 Bay Bay Village OH 1.989 6.22 45.3 688 Dublin Scioto **Dublin OH 1.989 23 30.3 694 Mariemont Cincinnati OH 1.982 6 44.8 777 Hudson Hudson OH 1.85 5 44 Oh yeah take that Rocky river, you didn't even make the list....I jest...
June 14, 201015 yr Who knows? That's why it's in this thread... Debatable indeed I suspect Lakewood has some double counting going on because they offer a few different variations of the tests according to the double asterisk (ie the same kid taking the same subject on a different test). I'll take the good press. "I wish we would of had AP back at Polk High!"
June 14, 201015 yr MTS, I had a little more time to look at those Newsweek numbers. I have no idea why SH or CH isn't on the list but according to the list 56% of Lakewood senior have passed at least 1 AP or IB test. That's pretty impressive. I think this is a case where the opportunities afforded to "gifted/high achieving" students in SH or CH are greater than at Lakewood but Lakewood is doing a better job spreading the opportunities to the general student population. Also according to the methodology they are netting the different tests taken in same subjects to try and discount any double counting that I was speculating about in my post above. (And seriously even though I didn't go to Polk High like Al Bundy, the only AP I knew in HS was the Associated Press! Sigh....)
June 14, 201015 yr Pretty sure schools sign up to be considered for those Newsweek lists. It's pretty much just a stunt to buy some PR. That would be an advertorial, which this appears not to be.
June 15, 201015 yr Walnut Ridge? I bet most people would be surprised by this. That's because it should read: 65 Walnut Hills Cincinnati OH 4.644 19 84
June 15, 201014 yr Cleveland Heights has never been on that list, no surprise there, and I'm pretty sure this is Lakewood's first year on the list, which is very suspicious. It's also the first year that Shaker Heights wasn't on the list, if I recall, which is also a bit odd.
June 15, 201014 yr ^It's not a surprise because CH never pushed the students to take the AP tests. However, you would be surprised if you were aware of the level of AP programs CH has offered throughout the years and the fabulous teachers (Dr. Rabinsky) who instructed those courses. Not sure of what it is like since the restructuring, but when I attended we had plenty of kids going through the AP programs and on to Ivy League (and other top academic) universities.
June 15, 201014 yr ^It's not a surprise because CH never pushed the students to take the AP tests. However, you would be surprised if you were aware of the level of AP programs CH has offered throughout the years and the fabulous teachers (RIP Dr. Rabinsky) who instructed those courses. Not sure of what it is like since the restructuring, but when I attended we had plenty of kids going through the AP programs and on to Ivy League (and other top academic) universities. Really? I was unaware of that. Several of my cousins took AP classes at Heights. My mother was jealous that Heights had actual Dr's/Professors teaching classes at the High School level! My uncle would say the course structure was strong and it was attending a university. IIRC, Heights offered them even in summer as I took a couple of classes at Heights that Shaker Didn't offer. Kids at Brush and Mayfield also took classes there because there school didn't offer the classes. Several of my cousins' children attend Heights and their children aren't floating by or being passed on, those kids work hard. I don't know Dr. Rabinsky but all of my cousins talked about this teacher, I understand she was amazing.
June 15, 201014 yr I went to Aurora, and I really can't remember there being an option to not take the exams. I recall everyone in my classes being at the exams anyway. It seems odd that a school would feel it necessary to hold someone back from taking the exams if they're taking the time to pick out students to be in an "advanced placement" class.
June 15, 201014 yr ^^She truly was. Changed my life for sure. One of the funny things I heard about her, is that getting a call from her was both a blessing and a curse in the Jewish community. She was so well respected that people viewed it as a badge of honor that she would reach out to them, but they knew that when she called they'd better be ready to cough up the $$$ for one of her projects. For instance, when I was there, she raised enough money from the community to take a group of students on an all-expense paid trip to Europe for a tour of holocaust sites.
June 15, 201014 yr Cleveland Heights has never been on that list, no surprise there, and I'm pretty sure this is Lakewood's first year on the list, which is very suspicious. It's also the first year that Shaker Heights wasn't on the list, if I recall, which is also a bit odd. EDIT:Nevermind.....
June 15, 201014 yr ^^She truly was. Changed my life for sure. One of the funny things I heard about her, is that getting a call from her was both a blessing and a curse in the Jewish community. She was so well respected that people viewed it as a badge of honor that she would reach out to them, but they knew that when she called they'd better be ready to cough up the $$$ for one of her projects. For instance, when I was there, she raised enough money from the community to take a group of students on an all-expense paid trip to Europe for a tour of holocaust sites. I just asked my cousin about her. He said she was a force to be reckoned with. He said in his first Semester with her, she gave him a C on a paper he thought was a sure A. He asked why he got a "C", she told him because he could do better - actually the entire class could do better. Unknown to him the entire class got a "C" on the assignment because they didn't go above and beyond and in her class that was not acceptable. He said she went to the board and wrote, "Advance English" and then told the classes she demanded better and she wasn't going to read garbage again. He said everyone in the class just sunk in their chairs.
June 15, 201014 yr Oppps! Wrong Lakewood! http://blog.cleveland.com/westshoresun/2010/06/oops_newsweek_errs_with_lakewo.html
June 15, 201014 yr Oppps! Wrong Lakewood! http://blog.cleveland.com/westshoresun/2010/06/oops_newsweek_errs_with_lakewo.html Well that sucks...egg on my face....Stupidnews weeks...Appologies Cleveland17.. I thought it was legit when I saw the subsidized lunches number. All Hail the mighty Shaker Hts!
June 15, 201014 yr Oppps! Wrong Lakewood! http://blog.cleveland.com/westshoresun/2010/06/oops_newsweek_errs_with_lakewo.html Well that sucks...egg on my face.... All Hail the mighty Shaker! Damn skippy!
June 15, 201014 yr Apparently Newsweek doesn't know sh!t about Ohio geography.... I am sure the dot-bomb comments are less than flattering...
June 15, 201014 yr Apparently Newsweek doesn't know sh!t about Ohio geography.... I fixed that! Newsweek should line your bird cage.
June 15, 201014 yr ^It's not a surprise because CH never pushed the students to take the AP tests. However, you would be surprised if you were aware of the level of AP programs CH has offered throughout the years and the fabulous teachers (Dr. Rabinsky) who instructed those courses. Not sure of what it is like since the restructuring, but when I attended we had plenty of kids going through the AP programs and on to Ivy League (and other top academic) universities. I'm very aware of the strong honors/advanced placement programs at Heights and the matriculation of some students to Ivy League (and Ivy League level) schools. Unfortunately the numbers of students who fit such profile are decreasing just about on a yearly basis. I think we're close to reaching a point where some will start questioning the idea of even offering such programs anymore, at least as broadly as the schools currently do. "Through the years" is an important disclaimer, because at one time, several decades ago, Heights was one of the best schools in the country. It started really going downhill in the 80s.
June 15, 201014 yr ^It's not a surprise because CH never pushed the students to take the AP tests. However, you would be surprised if you were aware of the level of AP programs CH has offered throughout the years and the fabulous teachers (Dr. Rabinsky) who instructed those courses. Not sure of what it is like since the restructuring, but when I attended we had plenty of kids going through the AP programs and on to Ivy League (and other top academic) universities. I'm very aware of the strong honors/advanced placement programs at Heights and the matriculation of some students to Ivy League (and Ivy League level) schools. Unfortunately the numbers of students who fit such profile are decreasing just about on a yearly basis. I think we're close to reaching a point where some will start questioning the idea of even offering such programs anymore, at least as broadly as the schools currently do. "Through the years" is an important disclaimer, because at one time, several decades ago, Heights was one of the best schools in the country. It started really going downhill in the 80s. I disagree. I think in the last decade there have been some issues but overall it's still a fine school system.
June 15, 201014 yr Oppps! Wrong Lakewood! http://blog.cleveland.com/westshoresun/2010/06/oops_newsweek_errs_with_lakewo.html Well that sucks...egg on my face....Stupidnews weeks...Appologies Cleveland17.. I thought it was legit when I saw the subsidized lunches number. All Hail the mighty Shaker Hts! No worries, Lakewood just seemed like an odd fit compared to most of the schools that typically are on the list from year to year. Also, if you read the list from Jay Mathews, it appears as though he doesn't have data on some schools, so perhaps Shaker Heights is missing because of that reason. I know that USNews does something similar and in the weeks following the release of their list they're constantly updating it as schools send in missing data.
June 15, 201014 yr ^It's not a surprise because CH never pushed the students to take the AP tests. However, you would be surprised if you were aware of the level of AP programs CH has offered throughout the years and the fabulous teachers (Dr. Rabinsky) who instructed those courses. Not sure of what it is like since the restructuring, but when I attended we had plenty of kids going through the AP programs and on to Ivy League (and other top academic) universities. I'm very aware of the strong honors/advanced placement programs at Heights and the matriculation of some students to Ivy League (and Ivy League level) schools. Unfortunately the numbers of students who fit such profile are decreasing just about on a yearly basis. I think we're close to reaching a point where some will start questioning the idea of even offering such programs anymore, at least as broadly as the schools currently do. "Through the years" is an important disclaimer, because at one time, several decades ago, Heights was one of the best schools in the country. It started really going downhill in the 80s. I hesitate to talk about current status because, frankly, it is much different than when I was there. No, no, no... it's not the "demographics" that have changed. It is the fact that the entire structure of the school is different. I am not even sure how they run the AP program anymore, with the school split into four or five distinct sections, although I know they still offer AP courses.
June 15, 201014 yr Did the list misprint Walnut Hills Cincinnati as Walnut Ridge Columbus? No. Actually, I just checked the list and it lists number 65 as being: 65 Walnut Hills Cincinnati OH 4.644 19 84. It makes sense, Walnut Hills (Cincinnati Public) is always really high on these lists. Why would you flat out say no if you don't have a clue what you're talking about?
June 15, 201014 yr There's no denying that the reason the Heights Schools have a bad perception is because of the demographic changes. I have no doubt that the teachers are good and they work hard, but they're dealing with many troubled students. The types of families who used to send their kids to the schools aren't doing it anymore, if they're even staying in the Heights (which obviously many aren't). If I had kids now, I'd have a hard time justifying sending them to the Heights Schools past elementary school because of the problems and atmosphere generated by the demographics changes. And bringing this full circle, the Newsweek rankings are stacked against schools like Cleveland Heights with unfavorable demographics. And by the way, Heights Schools present situation could very well be Shaker's future. If Shaker isn't on the list this year, it could be a reflection of a trend in that school district, as well.
June 15, 201014 yr ^What do you mean by "unfavorable demographics"? Many of the schools on this list are diverse both racially and economically.
June 16, 201014 yr Did the list misprint Walnut Hills Cincinnati as Walnut Ridge Columbus? No. Actually, I just checked the list and it lists number 65 as being: 65 Walnut Hills Cincinnati OH 4.644 19 84. It makes sense, Walnut Hills (Cincinnati Public) is always really high on these lists. Why would you flat out say no if you don't have a clue what you're talking about? Huh? You asked "Did the list misprint Walnut Hills Cincinnati as Walnut Ridge Columbus?" I said no. You checked the list and said that it said Walnut Hills. Thus not Walnut Ridge. So that is why I "would you flat out say no." So I don't have a clue what you're talking about?
June 16, 201014 yr ^What do you mean by "unfavorable demographics"? Many of the schools on this list are diverse both racially and economically. You know exactly what that means!
June 16, 201014 yr Did the list misprint Walnut Hills Cincinnati as Walnut Ridge Columbus? No. Actually, I just checked the list and it lists number 65 as being: 65 Walnut Hills Cincinnati OH 4.644 19 84. It makes sense, Walnut Hills (Cincinnati Public) is always really high on these lists. Why would you flat out say no if you don't have a clue what you're talking about? Huh? You asked "Did the list misprint Walnut Hills Cincinnati as Walnut Ridge Columbus?" I said no. You checked the list and said that it said Walnut Hills. Thus not Walnut Ridge. So that is why I "would you flat out say no." So I don't have a clue what you're talking about? You're both right. edale is talking about the list that CBC posted on page 5 of this thread where CBC misprints Walnut Hills as Walnut Ridge. edale was asking if CBC misprinted the list, but ManorBorn gave the answer for the actual Newsweek list in which is wan't misprinted, and was listed as Walnut Hills. This is one of those "Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo" situations.
June 16, 201014 yr One point, I copied the list straight from NewsWEAK on Monday so it appears they are making corrections to the list on the fly. Like substituting Colorado for Ohio. So if there is confusion, please don't shoot the messanger. Thank you, have a great day.
June 16, 201014 yr You'd think a major publication like Newsweek would do a little basic fact checking before publishing... I wasn't trying to make a fuss over the list you copied, CBC, just trying to clarify. I assumed it was probably a misprint. Sorry for the confusion, Manorborn.
June 16, 201014 yr You'd think a major publication like Newsweek would do a little basic fact checking before publishing... I wasn't trying to make a fuss over the list you copied, CBC, just trying to clarify. I assumed it was probably a misprint. Sorry for the confusion, Manorborn. Why do you think NewsWeak will never be better than the industry leader TIME! They fuck up constantly and have no real leadership!
June 16, 201014 yr Says the "leadership" from TIME...:D "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
June 23, 201014 yr ^What do you mean by "unfavorable demographics"? Many of the schools on this list are diverse both racially and economically. You know exactly what that means! :roll: Funny how one of the boards biggest rule-breakers can misinterpret what my statement meant and it gets me suspended for a week. When I use the word "demographics," it refers to a number of factors, race simply being just ONE of them. Other factors that correlate strongly with educational attainment include family income, family education history, and family structure. But of course you and some others here (including some overly sensitive moderators who can't seem to do their jobs in an unbiased manner) are way too quick to assume the worst. It isn't all about race--some of the same issues affect schools in Southeast Ohio, which is why you never Athens High School on such lists--and those schools are mostly white. I'll say it again, this board is leaps and bounds better than others for discussing these types of things as they relate to Ohio, but there is a big problem when we can't have a discussion in a mature manner without someone being offended by misinterpreting a statement, which leads to a suspension by some anonymous moderator who isn't even available for an explanation.
June 23, 201014 yr which leads to a suspension by some anonymous moderator who isn't even available for an explanation. ... ahem... :speech: I do believe that only the Administrators have the power of suspension, although I am sure they listen to the moderators' recommendation. Mayday, CDM and Rich are hardly anonymous and they certainly allow for more than enough individual discretion in posting (after all, I have never been suspended :wink:). No need to accuse them of bias. I swear... it's always the conspiracy theorists on here who want to claim bias. I would bet MTS has been suspended more than you and you never hear him using such tacts... even though I suspect they don't like MTS because he is gay
June 24, 201014 yr The system is extremely flawed with the way one is suspended by an anonymous moderator (or administrator, who cares, let's no nitpick) and not given a chance to state their side of the story or even read responses. Clearly the meaning of a term in my post was misinterpreted and I wasn't given the benefit of the doubt like some on here. Conspiracy, bias, I don't know, nor do I really care, I was suspended unfairly for a second time, and that's the bottom line.
June 24, 201014 yr This is the last post we'll have about this in this thread - any questions or responses, that's why we have a "Forum Issues" section. Any post after this about how the forum is run that's posted in this thread gets the perp a month off. There's no nitpicking - Admins are essentially the owners AND bouncers, the Mods are our appointed bartenders. You don't have to like any of them, but you d@mn well have to be respectful when they get after you for giving someone grief. You don't have to agree with a suspension but it's more important to look at why YOU got suspended than why someone else didn't. You don't always see what happens behind the scenes - you don't know who all gets suspended, or reprimanded. It isn't done arbitarily, we have a process that gets input from as many Admins/Mods as reasonably possible. If we gave everyone who got a suspension a chance to state their side, do you have any idea how much time that would involve? We don't get paid to do this. Now, when it's YOU who is in charge of maintaining, organizing and running a forum with 4,000+ members along the lines of UrbanOhio, making sure threads stay on topic, that forumers aren't fighting with each other, and oh - not getting paid for any of it, then you judge whether the system here is extremely flawed. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
June 24, 201014 yr :clap: "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
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