August 10, 201014 yr Hey, I'm glad you guys are fine with our winters, though this is starting to be a silly discussion that's not really worth getting heated over. I'm just saying that I, and undoubtedly a lot of people, don't feel the same way And this hits on the important point here. One's climate preference is purely SUBJECTIVE. Yet these publications make the assumption that everyone views hot weather as good and cold weather as bad, which is ridiculous and unfair.
August 10, 201014 yr Shoot, that cold Cleveland winter sounds mighty good right now. I'm not even in New York City yet and I already feel like I'm in Hell's Kitchen.
August 10, 201014 yr From Forbes 2/18/10: http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/11/americas-most-miserable-cities-business-beltway-miserable-cities.html?boxes=Homepagetopspecialreports "Cleveland ranked near the bottom when looking at corruption. Northern Ohio has seen 309 public officials convicted of crimes over the past 10 years according to the Justice Department. A current FBI investigation of public officials in Cuyahoga County (where Cleveland is located) has ensnared more than two dozen government employees and businessmen on charges including bribery, fraud and tax evasion."
August 10, 201014 yr One's climate preference is purely SUBJECTIVE. Yet these publications make the assumption that everyone views hot weather as good and cold weather as bad, which is ridiculous and unfair. Exactly my point...You summed it up very well, thank you!
August 10, 201014 yr From Forbes 2/18/10: http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/11/americas-most-miserable-cities-business-beltway-miserable-cities.html?boxes=Homepagetopspecialreports "Cleveland ranked near the bottom when looking at corruption. Northern Ohio has seen 309 public officials convicted of crimes over the past 10 years according to the Justice Department. A current FBI investigation of public officials in Cuyahoga County (where Cleveland is located) has ensnared more than two dozen government employees and businessmen on charges including bribery, fraud and tax evasion." Yeah, and northern Ohio is a lot more than Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, or Greater Cleveland.
August 10, 201014 yr From Forbes 2/18/10: http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/11/americas-most-miserable-cities-business-beltway-miserable-cities.html?boxes=Homepagetopspecialreports "Cleveland ranked near the bottom when looking at corruption. Northern Ohio has seen 309 public officials convicted of crimes over the past 10 years according to the Justice Department. A current FBI investigation of public officials in Cuyahoga County (where Cleveland is located) has ensnared more than two dozen government employees and businessmen on charges including bribery, fraud and tax evasion." Yeah, and northern Ohio is a lot more than Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, or Greater Cleveland. You mean if James Trafficant's conviction was included in those numbers, it shouldn't have been? ;)
August 10, 201014 yr You mean if James Trafficant's conviction was included in those numbers, it shouldn't have been? ;) Well... that's exactly what I mean, haha. It just looks like another example of Forbes playing fast and loose with the definition of "Cleveland" to present the picture it wants. It's what we've all been saying on this site for a long time :mrgreen: Oh, and on that note, I just want to clarify to Scrabble that I was making a comment about how Forbes comes up with those numbers and not criticizing him/her. :-)
August 11, 201014 yr You mean if James Trafficant's conviction was included in those numbers, it shouldn't have been? ;) Well... that's exactly what I mean, haha. It just looks like another example of Forbes playing fast and loose with the definition of "Cleveland" to present the picture it wants. It's what we've all been saying on this site for a long time :mrgreen: Oh, and on that note, I just want to clarify to Scrabble that I was making a comment about how Forbes comes up with those numbers and not criticizing him/her. :-) I was being sarcastic, but given the timeframe and geography used by Forbes, I wouldn't be shocked if Traficant was included in those numbers, which would be ridiculous of course, but not surprising. You're right, they have an agenda and are pushing it with every one of those polls.
August 11, 201014 yr One's climate preference is purely SUBJECTIVE. Yet these publications make the assumption that everyone views hot weather as good and cold weather as bad, which is ridiculous and unfair. Exactly my point...You summed it up very well, thank you! In Fargo, they say the winter keeps the riff raff out. I came back from a vacation in Montana two weeks ago, and my first thought was how darn pretty the bedroom neighborhoods look. All that precipition and the long, balmy fall means that we have beautiful vegetation.
August 25, 201014 yr According to Travel & Leisure, Lakewood is one of the top 10 coolest suburbs in the country http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_news/cleveland_metro/Lakewood-ranked-as-top-10-coolest-suburb-by-national-magazine
August 26, 201014 yr Again? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 26, 201014 yr I just moved to the wood a few weeks ago which undoubtedly raised the coolness level. :-D
August 26, 201014 yr When I come back in my second life as a young hip urbanite hipster, resplendent in my knit cap and skinny jeans and ironically cool thick framed glasses...well I'll probably live in SoHo on my parents' dime. But the life after that, where I come back as a well adjusted young man looking for a cool, walkable neighborhood...Lakewood it is!
August 26, 201014 yr I'm looking into this. Someone didn't do homework. I hate sloppy research! Should this be in the "list thread"?
August 26, 201014 yr Too bad Shaker Square is in the city limits! Actually I think it was based in part on the national coverage that MELT has been getting. I love my Lakewood!
August 26, 201014 yr Too bad Shaker Square is in the city limits! Actually I think it was based in part on the national coverage that MELT has been getting. I love my Lakewood! I would hate to have this story disappear. >:D I could be a total bitch and do that.
August 26, 201014 yr Nobody really reads Travel & Leisure anyway. They should split it into two magazines, since most people can't afford both anymore.
August 26, 201014 yr Nobody really reads Travel & Leisure anyway. They should split it into two magazines, since most people can't afford both anymore. LOL That's some funny sh!t.
August 26, 201014 yr I like Lakewood, but I've been to several of the other cities on that list and Lakewood is a joke compared to Birmingham MI, Evanston IL, Roswell GA or Almeda CA. They have 10x the natural beauty, architecture, entertainment and culture. Sorry Lakewoodites.
August 26, 201014 yr Americas' 10 Dying Cities ...from a list developed by MIT of the 150 "Forgotten Cities". Researchers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology did a study of what they described as America's 150 forgotten cities. The municipalities on their list were medium-sized and ranked by measurements that included poverty. The reason for their demise largely matched the cities on the 24/7 Wall St. list. The MIT research work goes beyond a mere list of statistics and points out reasons why some of these cities will never recover. In almost every case, tax bases have disappeared, which has undermined the ability of local governments to spend money on revitalization. Abandoned areas of these cities have high crime rates, which not only keeps people from relocating to these areas but is actually an incentive for them to move away. This in turn, leads to the image of these cities as desolate urbanscapes. The top 10, including the usual suspects, but with some some unexpected adds. One Ohio city makes this particular top 10 list (but it would be interesting to see the other cities MIT came up with...) 1. Buffalo 2. Flint 3. Hartford 4. Cleveland 5. New Orleans 6. Detroit 7. Albany 8. Atlantic City 9. Allentown 10. Galveston
August 27, 201014 yr No shocks except Galveston, although I wonder why a place like Pittsburgh is not on the list.
August 27, 201014 yr No shocks except Galveston, although I wonder why a place like Pittsburgh is not on the list. Or Cincinnati, St. Louis, Memphis.
August 27, 201014 yr I hope the "living city" Daytonians celebrate this. I bet MIT kept them off the list just to avoid another "living cities summit."
August 27, 201014 yr I guess I am thinking of cities that have lost more than half of their peak population. St. Louis would apply.
August 27, 201014 yr I wouldn't say cleveland is dying just yet. Cdawg did you read this posted by KJP earlier? http://www.theplus.us/en/Advance/2010/July/Manufacturing-Job-Growth-Leads-Nation.aspx Things aren't nearly as bad in NEO as you and the media make it out to be. Check out Cuyahoga counties unemployment rate. You might be surprised that its lower than both Franklin and Hamilton counties. Whats your response?
August 27, 201014 yr or it could be that the cle area is adding jobs as the article states. did u read it?
August 27, 201014 yr Oh there's other sectors that aren't doing too bad here.....medical/bio med is blowing up. plus with the 4 major projects about to pop the construction sector should be better. med/mart convo center, FEB, casino, and 90 bridge project totals about 1.5 bil. whats.up.
August 27, 201014 yr ^That was just manufacturing sector, not overall labor force (though it's doing better than other parts of Ohio). And Detroit was one of the top cities on there too! These are probably temp jobs more than anything else...manufacturing has been very unpredictable in the 2000's. The long-term picture is not as rosy as that article. Everyone knows Cleveland is doing better than other Rust Belt cities, but doing better than the Rust Belt is not a high enough standard. I want Cleveland to set its targets on Chicago. its never going to be chicago, but thats ok.
August 27, 201014 yr In reference to above Chicago mentions, nothing in disrespect to Chicago (I have cousins there!) and not at all saying their are not examples there worth aspiring for.... However, I am tired of this being used as the model all the time as if it were the only city on the planet. Enough ego stroking for it already. Cleveland should also strive to be original, lead....and create ideas all its own that other cities will want to emulate. Original ideas happen in places besides New York or Chicago and if we can work on the self esteem/inferiority issue first, I think more of us will discover that ideal. Again, in my opinion.....these lists are a lot subjective. Instead of looking at re-invention factors, they hold these cities to their past successes, and see only how it WAS as the means to judge the current situation in them. Compounding this, they keep focusing on cores and these days I think it is only fair to include STMA's...and No... I am not saying we should ignore the failures in the core right now, but maybe those failures have something to do with monetary rewarding for sprawl moreso than urban core renewal. These lists often simply cast too much of a broad brush.
August 27, 201014 yr um guys...Cleveland having the most new manufacturing jobs from Feb-Jun 2010 is not a ranking or list, it's straight up statistcal data.
August 27, 201014 yr ^That was just manufacturing sector, not overall labor force (though it's doing better than other parts of Ohio). And Detroit was one of the top cities on there too! These are probably temp jobs more than anything else...manufacturing has been very unpredictable in the 2000's. The long-term picture is not as rosy as that article. Everyone knows Cleveland is doing better than other Rust Belt cities, but doing better than the Rust Belt is not a high enough standard. I want Cleveland to set its targets on Chicago. That same article showed Cleveland near the lead in overall job creation too. Also, Gottaplan, why would you wanna come in to a thread and start mixing sh!t up calling Lakewood a joke. Oh well, have fun at your downtown Marc's. Oh wait, your city doesn't have a downtown Marc's!
August 27, 201014 yr I am sincerely proud of Lakewood. Head over to Lakewood Park on 4th of July...I defy anyone to find a more diverse city than Lakewood, Ohio.
August 27, 201014 yr ^That was just manufacturing sector, not overall labor force (though it's doing better than other parts of Ohio). And Detroit was one of the top cities on there too! These are probably temp jobs more than anything else...manufacturing has been very unpredictable in the 2000's. The long-term picture is not as rosy as that article. Everyone knows Cleveland is doing better than other Rust Belt cities, but doing better than the Rust Belt is not a high enough standard. I want Cleveland to set its targets on Chicago. Cleveland has another 50-60 murders per month in order to catch up with Chicago.
August 27, 201014 yr Cleveland will never be Chicago, and I don't think it should even try to aspire to be, either. And I doubt there are going to be many businesses that will relocate from Chicago to Cleveland, either, because of a "better business climate." If they're going to leave Chicago in search a better business climate, they'll jump right over Cleveland and head someplace else, probably South. That said, Cleveland has the potential to be a darn good tier II/III city if it ever gets its act together. Think Seattle, Denver, or Minneapolis.
August 27, 201014 yr Cleveland will never be Chicago, and I don't think it should even try to aspire to be, either. And I doubt there are going to be many businesses that will relocate from Chicago to Cleveland, either, because of a "better business climate." If they're going to leave Chicago in search a better business climate, they'll jump right over Cleveland and head someplace else, probably South. That said, Cleveland has the potential to be a darn good tier II/III city if it ever gets its act together. Think Seattle, Denver, or Minneapolis. I agree on Minneapolis, and maybe Seattle. But if Cleveland ever turns into anything like Denver, I'm out of here (I lived there for 6 years).. Besides, Denver is a state capital and has the unfair advantage of hoarding money from all corners of the state, unlike Cleveland who has to fight for every nickel of state money it gets.
August 27, 201014 yr Cleveland will never be Chicago, and I don't think it should even try to aspire to be, either. And I doubt there are going to be many businesses that will relocate from Chicago to Cleveland, either, because of a "better business climate." If they're going to leave Chicago in search a better business climate, they'll jump right over Cleveland and head someplace else, probably South. That said, Cleveland has the potential to be a darn good tier II/III city if it ever gets its act together. Think Seattle, Denver, or Minneapolis. I agree on Minneapolis, and maybe Seattle. But if Cleveland ever turns into anything like Denver, I'm out of here (I lived there for 6 years).. Besides, Denver is a state capital and has the unfair advantage of hoarding money from all corners of the state, unlike Cleveland who has to fight for every nickel of state money it gets. Let's not go this route.
August 27, 201014 yr Cleveland will never be Chicago, and I don't think it should even try to aspire to be, either. And I doubt there are going to be many businesses that will relocate from Chicago to Cleveland, either, because of a "better business climate." If they're going to leave Chicago in search a better business climate, they'll jump right over Cleveland and head someplace else, probably South. That said, Cleveland has the potential to be a darn good tier II/III city if it ever gets its act together. Think Seattle, Denver, or Minneapolis. I agree on Minneapolis, and maybe Seattle. But if Cleveland ever turns into anything like Denver, I'm out of here (I lived there for 6 years).. Besides, Denver is a state capital and has the unfair advantage of hoarding money from all corners of the state, unlike Cleveland who has to fight for every nickel of state money it gets. Let's not go this route. Agreed!
August 28, 201014 yr I take back what I said about Cleveland using MPLS, POR, and DEN as models: http://www.newgeography.com/content/001110-the-white-city
September 1, 201014 yr Author Ohio Among the Best States for New College Graduates "With its central location, low cost of living and leadership in key industries, Ohio is an ideal place for young professionals – including the 180,000 high school seniors and 78,000 college students who graduate from Ohio schools each year – to start their careers," said Ed Burghard, executive director of the Ohio Business Development Coalition. "Innovative investments such as Ohio Third Frontier attract young professionals, and the Bloomberg Businessweek data reaffirms why young professionals are selecting Ohio. It's the best place to have a personally fulfilling life and a professionally rewarding career, delivering on Ohio's promise as the State of Perfect Balance." Ranked ninth on the Businessweek list, Columbus -- Ohio's state capital and the 16th largest city in the U.S. -- is the second-fastest growing major metropolitan area in the Midwest. Home to 1.75 million residents and 15 Fortune 1000 companies, central Ohio is a growing center for established and emerging companies in finance, insurance, information technology and biosciences. Major area employers include Nationwide, American Electric Power, Huntington Bank, the federal Defense Supply Center, Cardinal Health and The Ohio State University. Ranked 17th, Cleveland has diverse job opportunities in manufacturing, science, engineering and biotechnology. Major employers headquartered in Cleveland include Eaton, Parker Hannifin, Sherwin-Williams and KeyCorp. Retail, customer service, wholesale and retail trade and health-care opportunities abound in 20th-ranked Dayton. Large employers include Premier Health Partners and Kettering Health Network. Cincinnati, ranked 23rd, offers jobs in key industries such as manufacturing, wholesale and retail trade and insurance. Major employers include Fortune 500 companies such as AK Steel, http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ohio-among-the-best-states-for-new-college-graduates-101884193.html
September 1, 201014 yr Head over to Lakewood Park on 4th of July...I defy anyone to find a more diverse city than Lakewood, Ohio. You paged me? ;) Not sure how it would be determined, but I will put CH up to the Pepsi challenge any day in terms of diversity.... and not just racially, but economically, religiously, socially, pretty much any factor (well.... except politically I guess as we are pretty da//n 'blue' around these parts.
September 1, 201014 yr http://www.newgeography.com/content/001110-the-white-city That was a disturbing read. I would like to know the whole story about the streetcars in Cincinnati.
September 1, 201014 yr http://www.newgeography.com/content/001110-the-white-city That was a disturbing read. I would like to know the whole story about the streetcars in Cincinnati. What do you want to know?
September 1, 201014 yr Nope. We're not reviving the trash-talking here (or anywhere for that matter)... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 1, 201014 yr It seemed like a pretty un-informed article with not much depth to the research. While the author speaks to minorities other than African American, I got the feeling that if a city/metro doesn't have a large afican american population, than it is not diverse. I may be wrong, but didn't the hispanic population surpass the african american population as a percentage of the entire U.S. a few years ago? He also throws in Seattle, which has an extremely large asian population (my guess would be the largest minority populaton in greater Seattle, no basis for that though) which he doesn't even mention.
September 1, 201014 yr I take back what I said about Cleveland using MPLS, POR, and DEN as models: http://www.newgeography.com/content/001110-the-white-city What do you mean?
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