weird list. I am looking at # 2 of most dangerous in the US- "scovill av" in Cleveland ---which they are calling an area of 55th and woodland.

I have been to this area 100's of times over eights years in Cleve and never had a problem and have seen far worse east and westside.  That said I would not describe it in any way shape or form "hip and trendy"-I clicked on the "lifestyle" tab and got this:

"This neighborhood is a medal winner:

Hip & Trendy Lifestyles

Scout Bronze Medal "

http://www.neighborhoodscoutreports.com/reports/0138b4e5681769b5d22cd447f750412d/0/lifestyle

 

edit: half the nabe is a cemetary. Lol . I wonder how that impacts the stats?

^all these areas are census tracts and the crime is per capita, so a cemetery would probably be a wash. No population but few crimes (unless this is a very strange cemetery)

Cincinnati makes the "Road Rage Capitals of the U.S." list, while apparently Cleveland scored as the second-least road ragey.

 

http://editorial.autos.msn.com/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=1164137&icid=autos_1604&GT1=22010#10

 

More Cincinnati residents surveyed by AutoVantage admitted to sending text messages or e-mails while driving than anywhere else in the country, except for Phoenix, which tied Cincinnati in this category. They also copped to hurling more expletives at fellow drivers than residents of any city other than Miami. Further marring Cincinnati's image is the fact that its neighbor to the northeast, Cleveland, made AutoVantage's list for the opposite reason: It has the second-least amount of road rage in the country.

That's cuz we're just so damn friendly up here in C-town. Hell, even our gangsters say "sorry" when clipping someone.

Cincinnati makes the "Road Rage Capitals of the U.S." list, while apparently Cleveland scored as the second-least road ragey.

 

http://editorial.autos.msn.com/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=1164137&icid=autos_1604&GT1=22010#10

 

More Cincinnati residents surveyed by AutoVantage admitted to sending text messages or e-mails while driving than anywhere else in the country, except for Phoenix, which tied Cincinnati in this category. They also copped to hurling more expletives at fellow drivers than residents of any city other than Miami. Further marring Cincinnati's image is the fact that its neighbor to the northeast, Cleveland, made AutoVantage's list for the opposite reason: It has the second-least amount of road rage in the country.

 

Cincinnati's largest employment hubs are Downtown/Uptown and Blue Ash which are very far from each other. Cincinnatians tend to have long commutes. Then you have topography constraints causing a longer distance from point A to B and a ridiculously wide outer-belt. I remember being frustrated driving around Metro Cincinnati for those reasons. In Columbus, the inner city is on a grid and there's about 20 different options in terms of roads I can take to get home, all of which are about equal distance and I enjoy being able to avoid roads where the speed limit is lower, there's likely to be more congestion, or where there's construction going on, etc. Of course, part of Cincinnati's charm is its picture-esque hills but it definitely sucks if you're an impatient driver.

Right, in Columbus my commute is from Bexley to 5xNW. I can take Livingston to DT to Vine/Goodale, Main to DT to Vine/Goodale, Barnett Bryden to DT, 70 to 315 to King, Nelson to 5th to Northwest and probably a couple others. I get to shake things up whenever I feel like it.

 

Cincinnati has scenery though. So much of Columbus is driving past bland warehouses.

Another new list.  The 25 most dangerous neighborhoods in the US. 

http://www.walletpop.com/blog/2010/10/04/25-most-dangerous-neighborhoods-2010/

Only seven of those twenty five neighborhoods are not in the South. That just reinforces my feeling that I would never want to live there.  I recall an episode of "Trauma" on the Discovery Channel that started with a camera panning along rows of knives under glass at the Knoxville stores.  The episode was one victim after another coming into Emergency after various fights. 

 

The South is, after all, the part of the country with the most executions and where they beat children. 

Another new list. The 25 most dangerous neighborhoods in the US.

http://www.walletpop.com/blog/2010/10/04/25-most-dangerous-neighborhoods-2010/

Only seven of those twenty five neighborhoods are not in the South. That just reinforces my feeling that I would never want to live there. I recall an episode of "Trauma" on the Discovery Channel that started with a camera panning along rows of knives under glass at the Knoxville stores.   The episode was one victim after another coming into Emergency after various fights.

 

The South is, after all, the part of the country with the most executions and where they beat children.

 

Can we knock it off with these generalizations about the south? We've had 8 executions this year alone and our governor is a former prison psychologist and minister.

New list from our dear friends at Forbes -  http://www.forbes.com/2010/10/13/best-states-for-business-business-beltway-best-states_slide_39.html

 

Ohio ranks pretty low overall at #38, in the general range of our neighboring states.  But we did rank high in both "regulatory environment" and "quality of life" (#12 in both rankings).  Suspiciously, though, we ranked low in "labor supply"

^As rated by two RW think tanks, the Tax Foundation & the  Better Government Association, and Moody's, the corrupt bond rating agency.

 

When the legislature permits children to work in the knitting mills again, Forbes will again rate us as "business friendly".

 

Warning: there may be some dry sarcasm in this post.  The humor-impaired may wish to look away

^Use emoticons.  You shouldn't be surprised when people take your "humorous" comments seriously when there is no indication that you are being sarcastic.

See, Hootenany, there are three paragraphs in my post.  Read them all. 

See, Hootenany, there are three paragraphs in my post. Read them all.

 

It seemed to me that you added your "warning" in response to other posters that responded to another one of your "humorous" comments.  Specifically this one:

 

The South is, after all, the part of the country with the most executions and where they beat children.

 

Just use emoticons.  It's not difficult.  Without the use of emoticons or some other warning we can only assume you are being serious.

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Sorry, but anybody that didn't pick up on the sarcasm in the "children in the knitting mills" comment seriously needs to lighten up and get a sense of humor.

Can we knock it off with these generalizations about the south? We've had 8 executions this year alone and our governor is a former prison psychologist and minister.

 

Ohio is the Alabama of the Midwest.  Indiana is the Mississippi.

 

The only thing that saves Ohio is that it has the Great Lakes urbanist culture up in Cleveland and Toledo and maybe Youngstown and ..perhaps..Akron (though I've read somewhere there is a big Briar presence in Akron).  And Cincinnati being this wierd urbanist island in a ruralist/small town cultural matrix.

 

Don't forget, Dayton is the "northermost city in Kentucky" (though some dispute how "southern" KY is, and lets not open that can of worms).

 

 

Ohio has always had better funded schools than Alabama.  Ohio has a professional, salaried legislature. 

Missouri is more like Alabama of the Midwest. Ohio is more like North Carolina minus the growth.

The NC analogy isn't all that bad.... although the divide there is not so much north-south as it is east-west.  The eastern part of the state, or 'Jesse Helms country', is much more conservative and rural.  But it's still all the 'bible belt'

It was more in line with three major nodes of population (Charlotte, Triad, Triangle), endless midsized cities/metros (Goldsborok, Asheville, Wilmington, Fayetteville, etc), rural transition from Democratic to Republican politics, "Purple State," blah blah.

WHO CARES ABOUT ANY OF THOSE INBRED POOR TRASH HILLBILLY POPULATED STATES??!!

 

MOVING ON!

Somebody's off their meds today!

Somebody's off their meds today!

 

......and it appears that "somebody" is you!

I ♥ all the states, unlike you Mr. Juan Williams.

Missouri is more like Alabama of the Midwest. Ohio is more like North Carolina minus the growth.

 

I was thinking Birmingham, Anniston, and Gadsden are heavy industry rust belt thing, Huntsville is the high tech defense place (Dayton) and Mobile is the "Cincinnati"...And there is no "Columbus"...thats' Atlanta.  oh, wait....

 

But yeah, OK, Carolina.  I guess that textile thang means they are the "Lint Belt"?

 

 

 

WHO CARES ABOUT ANY OF THOSE INBRED POOR TRASH HILLBILLY POPULATED STATES??!!

 

When was the last time you've been to Springfield or Middletown? 

 

(...ducks)

I don't really know on which thread to post this but did anyone see the MSN homepage today? It had an article featuring the the fastest shrinking cities in America. I refused to read the article.

 

The issue I have is that the picture shown for this series was an aerial shot of Cleveland taken from the south/southeast, looking north/northwest. Of course, that's not the issue. The picture had to be at least 18 or 19 years old because the Q, Progressive field, and Key Tower are not even in the picture.

 

Why would MSN shown such an outdated picture?? There has to be an up-to-date picture in their archives.

WHO CARES ABOUT ANY OF THOSE INBRED POOR TRASH HILLBILLY POPULATED STATES??!!

 

When was the last time you've been to Springfield or Middletown?

 

(...ducks)

 

MTS thinks Cincinnati is a backward hicksville.

^

He should visit Dayton. 

^

He should visit Dayton. 

 

Been there done that.  I've dont my share of antiquing in Dayton.

^

He should visit Dayton Washington Township. 

 

Fixed. :)

Could the next Forbes list be "The Dumbest States in the Country" with Ohio at #1 for turning away $400 million to build a passenger rail line between the three largest cities not to be connected by rail?

You are giving Forbes too much credit there Jam.

 

It might show up on Real time with Bill Maher though now that the election is over he can go back to state vs state instead of who had the most batsh!t canidate (Christine O'donnel won hands down)

In response to the post by jam40jeff.  I am a strong supporter of public transportation.  Regarding the $400 mil for train service we should pay attention to which rail service is currently successful. On the East Coast, connecting major employment hubs for convenient commuting is the most successful model.  Here in Ohio a similar model would be to develop commuter lines connecting Cleveland to Akron and Cincinnati to Dayton.  In Northeast Ohio it may also make sense to connect Cleveland - Akron - Canton, as well as Lorain, Sandusky, and Ashtabula.

 

I do not see how connecting the big 3 cities works.  I live in Cleveland and 3 or 4 times a year I attend meetings in Columbus.  I can drive there early in the morning, attend the meeting no matter where the location is and drive home at the end of the day.  Because I am driving, I am flexible as to location and time of the meeting.  No train schedule could ever match that flexibility of time and certainly would not accommodate location.  All of this with no mention of the price.  Cleveland to Columbus and back, one half of a tank of gas, regardless of how many people are attending the meeting with me.  It makes no practical sense.

 

Turning down this money makes us one of the smarter states because we will not be burdened with future costs at a time when we can barely pay for essentials.

^ The lines you describe, terminating in Dayton and Akron/Canton would pretty much be dead-ends. Cincinnati and Cleveland have Amtrak connections currently, and have a lot more potential for future expansion. You shouldn't neglect that 3C is about being a part of a bigger network.

 

Not to mention, 3C incorporates the Cincinnati-Dayton line which you advocate inside of it.

 

It's a heavily traveled corridor, and that's a fact. Cars have the advantage in some situations; trains do in others. It's not fair to compare the two choices only using the metrics on which cars do better (e.g. door-to-door service, unscheduled departures). I trust studies by experts more than your anecdotal situation for predicting ridership. Sure, studies are sometimes wrong, but they are the best thing we have. You should have the humility to admit as much.

Askmen.com has a really interesting rank of cities to live in. They put Sao Paulo ahead of Amsterdam and Chicago! Sydney is #9 ahead of San Francisco and even Paris. Buenos Aires is #8, Miami #7, Capetown #6, London #5, Madrid #4, Tokyo #3, Melbourne #2, New York City #1.

 

http://www.askmen.com/specials/2010_top_29/1-new-york-city.html

You wouldn't pick Sao Paulo over Amsterdam and Chicago?!?!  Sao Paulo is more world-city than either of those cities!  But Sydney, nah.  It shouldn't be over San Fran and especially not Paris.  And Miami and Cape Town over Buenos Aires!?!?  Madrid over London!??!  Melbourne over them all sans New York?!?!  These people are nuts.

I just like the fact that the list is a lot different than any of the others I've seen. Though, their methodology is a little different since the online magazine caters to single male professionals.

I just like the fact that the list is a lot different than any of the others I've seen. Though, their methodology is a little different since the online magazine caters to single male professionals.

 

San Fran should even be on the list!

 

San Fran should even be on the list!

 

Proofread!

Yahoo did a ranking of the wealthiest suburbs in the United States.  The Village of Indian Hill, a suburb of Cincinnati, ranked first for Ohio, but the whole list is interesting to look at.

 

http://realestate.yahoo.com/promo/most-expensive-suburbs-2010.html

^"Most expensive," not wealthiest, though there's obviously a correlation between the two.

CQ Press released their annual crime rankings...way too many Ohio cities in the top 50 :|

 

http://os.cqpress.com/citycrime/2010/City_crime_rate_2010-2011_hightolow.pdf

 

For comparison, here's the 2009 list:

 

http://os.cqpress.com/citycrime/2009/CityCrime2009_Rank_Rev.pdf

New York City's position is just amazing.  Gives hope to any city on the "top" of this list.

CQ Press released their annual crime rankings...way too many Ohio cities in the top 50 :|

 

http://os.cqpress.com/citycrime/2010/City_crime_rate_2010-2011_hightolow.pdf

 

For comparison, here's the 2009 list:

 

http://os.cqpress.com/citycrime/2009/CityCrime2009_Rank_Rev.pdf

 

We could drop every single Ohio city off that list if we just reported our crime like Illinois does.  They classify arson or something differently and so are excluded from these lists every year.

^ Yeah, in Illinois they report "sexual assault," which includes crimes other than rape, and rapes are one of the crimes that Morgan Quitno uses for the rankings.

I'm surprised by Indianapolis's ranking. Above Philly? Wow.

I know everyone was thinking this is a bad Forbes list, as was I.  I actually had already typed a rant about "How could Forbes put an article up featuring our shimmering skyline and we aren't even in the 15 Worst Cities for Finding a Job?!"  Right before posting I thought, maybe, just maybe, we would be on the Top 15 Best Cities for Finding a Job.  And look at that.  Number 11.

 

http://www.forbes.com/2010/11/18/best-worst-cities-to-find-jobs-leadership-careers-employment.html

I still think it lends credence that people within Forbes have some unexplainable axe grind against Cleveland since they managed to put a picture of Cleveland under the negative headline.