I don't think people supposedly afraid of downtown will be any more inclined to take the Greyhound with the relocation  

See free article here:

 

 

Well I was wrong.

 

It was CSU afraid of city people all along:

 

"Cleveland State University rejected a plan to relocate the city’s Greyhound bus terminal on its grounds, saying “the safety and security of the CSU campus, and the strategic and financial priorities of the University, must come first,” according to a spokesperson."

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2024/08/cleveland-state-nixed-plans-for-relocated-greyhound-bus-station-near-campus.html

Edited August 14, 2024Aug 14 by MVH
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39 minutes ago, MVH said:

Well I was wrong.

 

It was CSU afraid of city people all along:

 

"Cleveland State University rejected a plan to relocate the city’s Greyhound bus terminal on its grounds, saying “the safety and security of the CSU campus, and the strategic and financial priorities of the University, must come first,” according to a spokesperson."

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2024/08/cleveland-state-nixed-plans-for-relocated-greyhound-bus-station-near-campus.html

 

Tear down STJ then, it's obviously not needed. What a waste.

43 minutes ago, MVH said:

Well I was wrong.

 

It was CSU afraid of city people all along:

 

"Cleveland State University rejected a plan to relocate the city’s Greyhound bus terminal on its grounds, saying “the safety and security of the CSU campus, and the strategic and financial priorities of the University, must come first,” according to a spokesperson."

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2024/08/cleveland-state-nixed-plans-for-relocated-greyhound-bus-station-near-campus.html

This is a miserable action by the university. Their students take buses to get home! WTF. 

3 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

This is a miserable action by the university. Their students take buses to get home! WTF. 

I regularly see 15-20 people at a single stop boarding the 55 on campus near the end of the day. It just continues to show a disconnect between CSU leadership and the students that actually attend their school. They are still mostly a commuter school, but refuse to accept that. I was a commuter because I couldn't afford to live in their new dorms, despite wanting to. 

"fiscal priorities"

 

I would think the rent money from Germany (Greyhound is German-owned) would be something CSU would appreciate.

 

OR they could have just sold them the property and avoided security costs.

1 hour ago, MVH said:

"fiscal priorities"

 

I would think the rent money from Germany (Greyhound is German-owned) would be something CSU would appreciate.

 

OR they could have just sold them the property and avoided security costs.

I’m not following. The STJ Transit Center is owned by RTA. My understanding is that CSU just complained about it. Very bad reason to undermine this logical location for greyhound. 

@Boomerang_Brian per the Cleveland.com article upthread, the STJ transit center is on CSU owned land leased by RTA.

34 minutes ago, JohnSummit said:

@Boomerang_Brian per the Cleveland.com article upthread, the STJ transit center is on CSU owned land leased by RTA.

Ah, thank you! I hadn’t clicked the article because I assumed it was paywalled. 

This video of the new Green Line station on Damen in Chicago was (re)built, due to the increase in density around the original station. I know we have the Little Italy Station and the 120th Street station was lost due to low ridership etc. but I really would like RTA to re-open the station for multiple reasons. 

 

1. The station was closed before the Uptown was fully completed aka the area was a lot less dense, that has now changed dramatically. With the station sitting directly next to Uptown it would be heavily used. 

 

2. CWRU hadn't experienced the student enrollment surge that we are seeing now, leading to more housing/dorms and 120th Street station is a lot closer to campus. 

 

3. We don't have a station AT ALL that connects with the Healthline which is mindblowing to me and this sits perfectly along that line. 

• 3b. With Circle East looking like it is about to take off, this connectivity and redline proximity would lead to an increase in ridership as well. 

 

With all of these new factors at play I would bet the 120th street would go from no use to one of the most popular stations, especially with a design as striking as the new Green Line station in Chicago. 

 

 

^Agree, the RTA Red line could have multiple ones added, especially along the West Side route. The stations are too far apart, And 120th is the lowest hanging fruit, so low its on the ground and rotting because it fell off the tree already.

The old East 120 station site is so close to the east end of the Little Italy station site it might be better to build a dedicated walkway from the east end of the Little Italy platform to Euclid Avenue.

 

Another option would be to build a station over Lakeview Road and move the solar farm as part of a joint TOD/station project. 

38 minutes ago, KJP said:

The old East 120 station site is so close to the east end of the Little Italy station site it might be better to build a dedicated walkway from the east end of the Little Italy platform to Euclid Avenue.

 

Another option would be to build a station over Lakeview Road and move the solar farm as part of a joint TOD/station project. 

 

Yes, it is my recollection that the East 120th station wasn't "closed", but rather "moved" to Mayfield.

41 minutes ago, KJP said:

The old East 120 station site is so close to the east end of the Little Italy station site it might be better to build a dedicated walkway from the east end of the Little Italy platform to Euclid Avenue.

 

Another option would be to build a station over Lakeview Road and move the solar farm as part of a joint TOD/station project. 

A Lakeview station could help accelerate the Circle East area as well. A lot of room for TOD here and near the other red line stops in EC. 

3 hours ago, KJP said:

The old East 120 station site is so close to the east end of the Little Italy station site it might be better to build a dedicated walkway from the east end of the Little Italy platform to Euclid Avenue.

 

Another option would be to build a station over Lakeview Road and move the solar farm as part of a joint TOD/station project. 

I like the idea of a (well designed) walkway, I just feel that this stations proximity to a busy section of University Circle is too great to go unutilized. I also would love if the RTA implemented elements of that green line station like warming stations and informational displays. Hopefully stations receive an update with real time tracking at stations once we receive our first set of trains. 

2 hours ago, PlanCleveland said:

A Lakeview station could help accelerate the Circle East area as well. A lot of room for TOD here and near the other red line stops in EC. 

That would be a fantastic option as well in a perfect world as it sits perfectly between Superior and Little Italy station. I feel a more realistic option would be to finally fix the East Cleveland portion of the Healthline and build median stations and work with Cleveland and East Cleveland to do REAL signal prioritization. 

 

Speaking of which, if Mayor Bibb is such a fan of 15 minute cities, why hasn't he advocated heavily/called for the activation of the signal priority system we know the Healthline is capable of?

I just shared this screenshot in another thread, and figured I'd drop it here as well where it's more appropriate.

 

I actually started making this a few months ago to compare red/blue/green lines to possible new routes to Crocker Rd, Solon, and Bedford. As you can tell, I never finished filling out the rest of the info haha.  Just to show some densities near existing RTA or lightly used freight rail lines in Cuyahoga county.

 

The last numbers for blue and green lines are just total within that distance from the line for the remainder, as the stops can be fairly bunched and I didn't feel like doing every one of them.  Lakewood and Red line also have total populations within 1 mile of the lines as quite a few of the stops, especially in Lakewood, overlap a lot at a 1 mile radius as well.  I'm guessing these population numbers for Tower City, Ohio City, Cedar, Little Italy, Van Aken, and a few others could be at least 1,000 higher due to a number of projects opening after the 2020 census.

32 minutes ago, PlanCleveland said:

I just shared this screenshot in another thread, and figured I'd drop it here as well where it's more appropriate.

 

I actually started making this a few months ago to compare red/blue/green lines to possible new routes to Crocker Rd, Solon, and Bedford. As you can tell, I never finished filling out the rest of the info haha.  Just to show some densities near existing RTA or lightly used freight rail lines in Cuyahoga county.

 

The last numbers for blue and green lines are just total within that distance from the line for the remainder, as the stops can be fairly bunched and I didn't feel like doing every one of them.  Lakewood and Red line also have total populations within 1 mile of the lines as quite a few of the stops, especially in Lakewood, overlap a lot at a 1 mile radius as well.  I'm guessing these population numbers for Tower City, Ohio City, Cedar, Little Italy, Van Aken, and a few others could be at least 1,000 higher due to a number of projects opening after the 2020 census.

 

This is awesome! Thank you for sharing!

 

Do you have a map of these hypothetical routes?

1 hour ago, Zagapi said:

 

This is awesome! Thank you for sharing!

 

Do you have a map of these hypothetical routes?

Just in MS Paint.  The Bedford/Solon line connection to the red/blue/green could also provide a way for Amtrak trains from Pittsburgh/Alliance to get into Tower City as well.  Purple lines would have a new portion built near Harvard/E102 to connect them. May be difficult to electrify as these would probably be leased usage. For the orange line, ideally it is purchased and we build elevated rail over the Lakewood portion to avoid 30+ crossings, and we could create some sort of Miami style underline walk/bike trails to better connect all of Lakewood.  Road/rail crossings would no longer exist, and turn into stop signs with the hump in where the rail was still remaining to discourage speeding further. Even with less density out on the western portion, which could also end at the Westlake PnR instead, the density along this line would be around 6000 per sq mi. It would be even better to automate this line and the red line west of TC, but that would make running potential commuter lines out to Lorain or Sandusky on these lines more difficult.

 

 

Then another with blue line extension, waterfront loop, existing/potential BRT/streetcar lines and DMU commuter rail to Akron/Canton via CVSR lines.  Hopefully commuter rail could go out to Painesville as well also with DMUs.

-Waterfront loop could have blue/green lines go one way, and Solon/Bedford lines go the other, so the loop has 15 minute service in each direction. Use E17 to go down to Muni Lot area.  

-Lakewood/orange line could replace both the 55 and 26, 2 of the high ridership busses. I think this would immediately become the highest ridership line by a lot.  Move the articulated 55 busses to new BRT lines, create new bus service on the far westside to replace the current 26/55 routes out there to now get people to the rail stops instead of the bus ride to Downtown.

-E55 and E105 to the new Harvard/E93rd hub, both intersect with all eastside lines, E55 is BRT would replace the 19 since there are now faster and similar connections to Downtown via the rail.  E105 BRT would be an upgraded 10 bus. 18 bus up to 20 or 30 minute frequency, which would connect this hub to Cudell hub. There is so much room for potential affordable or public housing TOD on E55, and on the E93/Harvard area.

-W25th BRT/streetcar extending down Superior to E55 in dedicated bus/rail lanes along the bike midway, lengthens the route by 2 miles, but makes it much more useful.

-Lorain BRT as well. 

-Hopefully the Healthline is upgraded to rail.  Then only about a mile of streetcar line would need to be built to upgrade the B-line trolley to a Downtown streetcar, using Euclid instead of Superior and E17 instead of E12 for more coverage, development potential, and to save costs building it.  

-The potential flexibility for the rail/streetcar lines to adapt to major events or other demand shifts would be great.

 

Potential Downtown streetcar/BRT lines with .25 mile walk radius.  Downtown now becomes one of the best car free places to live in the US outside of the NE corridor.  I would hope/guess billions in development would follow, along with a population boom Downtown.  Tower City could become a proper mall again.  Maybe the Downtown streetcar and waterfront loop can use TIF money and hope for some Fed assistance.  I think the streetcar Downtown makes development on existing park n rides much more attractive as well.  Now people who can't afford to live Downtown live in less expensive places along the existing lines, and can still access all of Downtown by walking 5 minutes or less just by taking train Downtown and connecting to the streetcar.

 

 

 

Sorry for the long reply when you asked for one map, but I already had the other pictures ready too haha.

Edited August 22, 2024Aug 22 by PlanCleveland

Let's first try to be able to operate the existing rail system 

 

 

 

It's back, 37 minutes after the notification it went down.  So did they scramble busses just to replace one or two trains?

16 hours ago, PlanCleveland said:

Just in MS Paint.  The Bedford/Solon line connection to the red/blue/green could also provide a way for Amtrak trains from Pittsburgh/Alliance to get into Tower City as well.  Purple lines would have a new portion built near Harvard/E102 to connect them. May be difficult to electrify as these would probably be leased usage. For the orange line, ideally it is purchased and we build elevated rail over the Lakewood portion to avoid 30+ crossings, and we could create some sort of Miami style underline walk/bike trails to better connect all of Lakewood.  Road/rail crossings would no longer exist, and turn into stop signs with the hump in where the rail was still remaining to discourage speeding further. Even with less density out on the western portion, which could also end at the Westlake PnR instead, the density along this line would be around 6000 per sq mi. It would be even better to automate this line and the red line west of TC, but that would make running potential commuter lines out to Lorain or Sandusky on these lines more difficult.

 

 

Then another with blue line extension, waterfront loop, existing/potential BRT/streetcar lines and DMU commuter rail to Akron/Canton via CVSR lines.  Hopefully commuter rail could go out to Painesville as well also with DMUs.

-Waterfront loop could have blue/green lines go one way, and Solon/Bedford lines go the other, so the loop has 15 minute service in each direction. Use E17 to go down to Muni Lot area.  

-Lakewood/orange line could replace both the 55 and 26, 2 of the high ridership busses. I think this would immediately become the highest ridership line by a lot.  Move the articulated 55 busses to new BRT lines, create new bus service on the far westside to replace the current 26/55 routes out there to now get people to the rail stops instead of the bus ride to Downtown.

-E55 and E105 to the new Harvard/E93rd hub, both intersect with all eastside lines, E55 is BRT would replace the 19 since there are now faster and similar connections to Downtown via the rail.  E105 BRT would be an upgraded 10 bus. 18 bus up to 20 or 30 minute frequency, which would connect this hub to Cudell hub. There is so much room for potential affordable or public housing TOD on E55, and on the E93/Harvard area.

-W25th BRT/streetcar extending down Superior to E55 in dedicated bus/rail lanes along the bike midway, lengthens the route by 2 miles, but makes it much more useful.

-Lorain BRT as well. 

-Hopefully the Healthline is upgraded to rail.  Then only about a mile of streetcar line would need to be built to upgrade the B-line trolley to a Downtown streetcar, using Euclid instead of Superior and E17 instead of E12 for more coverage, development potential, and to save costs building it.  

-The potential flexibility for the rail/streetcar lines to adapt to major events or other demand shifts would be great.

 

Potential Downtown streetcar/BRT lines with .25 mile walk radius.  Downtown now becomes one of the best car free places to live in the US outside of the NE corridor.  I would hope/guess billions in development would follow, along with a population boom Downtown.  Tower City could become a proper mall again.  Maybe the Downtown streetcar and waterfront loop can use TIF money and hope for some Fed assistance.  I think the streetcar Downtown makes development on existing park n rides much more attractive as well.  Now people who can't afford to live Downtown live in less expensive places along the existing lines, and can still access all of Downtown by walking 5 minutes or less just by taking train Downtown and connecting to the streetcar.

 

 

 

Sorry for the long reply when you asked for one map, but I already had the other pictures ready too haha.

 

No this is exactly what I was hoping for. Thank you for sharing it all!

 

That Orange line is an absolute no-brainer. Lakewood is the most densely populated city in the state, not to mention all of the density Cleveland adds as well. Lord knows I'd use it!

Like I said once that new fleet is in full swing the new lines they mentioned (Brown, Purple, Orange etc ) Would be EXTREMELY useful compared to the current layout and seems simple to implement since they would use existing lines.

BTW, a little historical context.... When the city of Cleveland got the railroads to grade-separate their mainlines through the city in the 1910s, the Nickel Plate RR asked the cities of East Cleveland and Lakewood if they also wanted its tracks grade-separated through their communities. While East Cleveland said yes, Lakewood said no because they thought it would divide the city. 

52 minutes ago, KJP said:

BTW, a little historical context.... When the city of Cleveland got the railroads to grade-separate their mainlines through the city in the 1910s, the Nickel Plate RR asked the cities of East Cleveland and Lakewood if they also wanted its tracks grade-separated through their communities. While East Cleveland said yes, Lakewood said no because they thought it would divide the city. 

Would all of the north south streets have had underpasses or would numerous streets have been blocked at the tracks?

On 8/23/2024 at 1:40 PM, urb-a-saurus said:

Would all of the north south streets have had underpasses or would numerous streets have been blocked at the tracks?

 

Don't know. But if East Cleveland was any indication, my guess is that almost every street would have had underpasses.

On 8/23/2024 at 12:46 PM, KJP said:

BTW, a little historical context.... When the city of Cleveland got the railroads to grade-separate their mainlines through the city in the 1910s, the Nickel Plate RR asked the cities of East Cleveland and Lakewood if they also wanted its tracks grade-separated through their communities. While East Cleveland said yes, Lakewood said no because they thought it would divide the city. 

 

And yet "north of the tracks", while not a physical barrier, was a real thing in Lakewood anyway.

16 hours ago, Dougal said:

 

And yet "north of the tracks", while not a physical barrier, was a real thing in Lakewood anyway.

 

In Maple Heights, east and west of the tracks very much divided the city.

 

In Euclid it's the freeway, which more or less coincides with the tracks.   I believe that's considered the demarcation between north and south Collinwood as well.

I’m not really sure where to put this, but I do love the BaRTA crawls:

 

 

FYI

 

 

On 9/3/2024 at 8:43 AM, KJP said:

FYI

 

 

I don't get the point of closing several doors. 

40 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said:

I don't get the point of closing several doors. 

Security, easier to control access, keeps the crazies out, possibly reduces the security personnel need. 

 

I lived in Terminal Tower for several years, there are always crazies, panhandlers, etc in the square, they generally do a decent job keeping them outside but it definitely made it less comfortable living there. I'm sure Bedrock and K&D pushed for this change. 

 

It might exacerbate the shattered glass door problem though; it's ridiculous that seemingly every other week someone would take it upon themselves to break one of the doors into Tower City. Though I suppose it is also a good demonstration of why they might want to make it easier to secure the building. 

On 9/6/2024 at 2:35 PM, Ethan said:

Security, easier to control access, keeps the crazies out, possibly reduces the security personnel need. 

 

I lived in Terminal Tower for several years, there are always crazies, panhandlers, etc in the square, they generally do a decent job keeping them outside but it definitely made it less comfortable living there. I'm sure Bedrock and K&D pushed for this change. 

 

It might exacerbate the shattered glass door problem though; it's ridiculous that seemingly every other week someone would take it upon themselves to break one of the doors into Tower City. Though I suppose it is also a good demonstration of why they might want to make it easier to secure the building. 

 

It really is unfortunate, and I'm not sure what the long term solution is to this problem. 

 

I live downtown and will sometimes take the bus/rapid back home late at night. I feel confident enough in my own abilities to handle a threatening or dangerous encounter, but it is certainly ominous and uncomfortable at the very best. I never let friends walk there alone at night.

 

I'm inclined to think the REBoL/splashpad area needs to be turned into a proper transit center that has a constant Transit Police presence. Also, higher frequency would almost certainly lead to less loitering and time for trouble to develop. I wonder if anyone has done a study on transit frequency and its effect on overall safety.

On 9/9/2024 at 10:13 AM, Zagapi said:

 

It really is unfortunate, and I'm not sure what the long term solution is to this problem. 

 

I live downtown and will sometimes take the bus/rapid back home late at night. I feel confident enough in my own abilities to handle a threatening or dangerous encounter, but it is certainly ominous and uncomfortable at the very best. I never let friends walk there alone at night.

 

I'm inclined to think the REBoL/splashpad area needs to be turned into a proper transit center that has a constant Transit Police presence. Also, higher frequency would almost certainly lead to less loitering and time for trouble to develop. I wonder if anyone has done a study on transit frequency and its effect on overall safety.

I wouldn't say turn REBoL into a transit center, I enjoy having a food place on the square. I will say they can convert one of the storefronts on Ontario across from the Casino and/or one of the many empty Prospect Avenue storefronts. 

5 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said:

I wouldn't say turn REBoL into a transit center, I enjoy having a food place on the square. I will say they can convert one of the storefronts on Ontario across from the Casino and/or one of the many empty Prospect Avenue storefronts. 

 

Oh that could be interesting actually. Maybe I'm just looking for a reason to close down one of Bobby George's restaurants lol

1 hour ago, MyPhoneDead said:

I wouldn't say turn REBoL into a transit center, I enjoy having a food place on the square. I will say they can convert one of the storefronts on Ontario across from the Casino and/or one of the many empty Prospect Avenue storefronts. 

Ontario would probably be the wisest. One of the few streets downtown you will not find me walking down. 

5 hours ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said:

Ontario would probably be the wisest. One of the few streets downtown you will not find me walking down. 

It is pretty terrible, which is crazy because it is around the corner from Prospect, one of the more vibrant streets.

Saw something interesting today on my lunch walk. I saw a Blue Line train heading westbound over the bridge into the west side. I was always under the assumption that those trains could not fit the track gauge that the Red Line trains use. Is that true? I literally did a head turn because i'v never seen a Blue/Green Line train heading over that bridge. 

Every so often one makes a run to the Brook Park Yard and back yard. I can't remember why, though.

Ok, it was very odd seeing it do that. 😀

1 hour ago, KJP said:

Every so often one makes a run to the Brook Park Yard and back yard. I can't remember why, though.

If the trains behave, they get to go on a little adventure as a treat. 

20 hours ago, rwashington89 said:

I was always under the assumption that those trains could not fit the track gauge that the Red Line trains use. Is that true?

As far as I know, the main difference is the Blue/Green trains have lower entry doors requiring lower platforms than the Red line trains. 

Edited September 13, 2024Sep 13 by TMart

BTW, the track gauge (width between rails) is the same, otherwise they wouldn't be able to share tracks from East 55th to Tower City as they have since the early 1980s (current fleets) and since 1954 (start of shared operation). Width of the train isn't an issue either since both train types roll past the high level platforms at these stations without issue. Here are the train widths...

 

Blue/Green Line trains (Breda manufacturer) -- 9.3 feet wide. 
Red Line trains (Tokyu) -- 10.33 feet wide. 
New railcars (Siemens) -- 8.7 feet wide.

On 9/13/2024 at 10:29 AM, KJP said:

BTW, the track gauge (width between rails) is the same, otherwise they wouldn't be able to share tracks from East 55th to Tower City as they have since the early 1980s (current fleets) and since 1954 (start of shared operation). Width of the train isn't an issue either since both train types roll past the high level platforms at these stations without issue. Here are the train widths...

 

Blue/Green Line trains (Breda manufacturer) -- 9.3 feet wide. 
Red Line trains (Tokyu) -- 10.33 feet wide. 
New railcars (Siemens) -- 8.7 feet wide.

I already find the Blue/Green Line trains to be very narrow, maybe it is because I ride the red line a lot, (but I do find the Breda trains to be nicer) but to see the Siemens trains to be EVEN smaller makes me hate the decision even more to not have the seating along the windows. Keeping the current seating configuration is going to make the train ride seem so cramped, especially for a man like me who is 6ft 4in and already is forced to sit facing the aisle. 

6 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said:

I already find the Blue/Green Line trains to be very narrow, maybe it is because I ride the red line a lot, (but I do find the Breda trains to be nicer) but to see the Siemens trains to be EVEN smaller makes me hate the decision even more to not have the seating along the windows. Keeping the current seating configuration is going to make the train ride seem so cramped, especially for a man like me who is 6ft 4in and already is forced to sit facing the aisle. 

I agree re configuration.   There are not that many people riding on a daily basis.   And when the trains are needed for an event, they are packed (Browns etc), with most riders standing. 

 

Lateral seating would also decrease complexity for cleaning and maintenance for RTA.  

 

I do wonder, would it possibly be a hybrid seating layout, like the Buffalo NFTA Trains have?  👇

 

 

 

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/2024/09/13/dan-gilbert-addresses-detroit-economic-club-september-2024/75178829007/

 

Dan Gilbert talking about Detroit's need for more regional and commuter rail, and how "it would completely change the region. The economic boom would be the biggest one we've ever seen."

 

Maybe this same energy can be brought to RTA leadership with the ongoing Bedrock developments downtown. Return Tower City into the NEO transit hub to actually make the mall and other development feasible again. 

16 minutes ago, PlanCleveland said:

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/2024/09/13/dan-gilbert-addresses-detroit-economic-club-september-2024/75178829007/

 

Dan Gilbert talking about Detroit's need for more regional and commuter rail, and how "it would completely change the region. The economic boom would be the biggest one we've ever seen."

 

Maybe this same energy can be brought to RTA leadership with the ongoing Bedrock developments downtown. Return Tower City into the NEO transit hub to actually make the mall and other development feasible again. 

 

I have sent quite a few tweets to Bedrock Cleveland making this same argument.  I encourage all our UO members to do the same @BedRockCLE on X 

 

If it isn't reliable, makes it pretty hard to use it

 

 

13 minutes ago, KJP said:

If it isn't reliable, makes it pretty hard to use it

 

 

Ya RTA really needs to be more public with their shut downs. The red line was closed west of Tower City on Saturday and Sunday. I ride it pretty often, and I only found out when the time schedules weren't showing up for the W25 station on Google maps Sunday morning. And even better, the replacement busses didn't make stops at W25 or W65 stations. 

 

There have been too many times when I've had to try to convince myself that RTA leadership isn't intentionally trying to kill the trains. 

Edited September 16, 2024Sep 16 by PlanCleveland