^Wow, that is great to hear....has it caused a significant drop in the Red Line ridership?

 

Question?  Is there something that would make you think that Red Line ridership is down?  Just trying to understand why you would ask that?

Just got this in email from RTA

for the past several months, RTA has been working, both internally and externally through safety consultants, on a multi-faceted approach to reduce bus/pedestrian accidents.

 

Several months ago, all bus operators received special training focused on safety during left-hand turns. Bus operators had previously been instructed to make a second stop to scan for pedestrians, and to sound their horns, as they turn into an intersection.

 

For the last several weeks, RTA staff has been working on a method to alert pedestrians that a bus is turning. Last weekend, 283 RTA's buses were equipped with devices that activate a beeping sound as the left or right turn signal is activated. This pilot project covers approximately 50 percent of RTA's big-bus fleet.

 

RTA has received some complaints to date, and is now looking at ways to turn down the volume of the beeping. RTA has also heard from customers who believe the said they thought the beeping was a good idea.

 

Two future ideas are being considered:

• Install pole-mounted monitors at various high-incident intersections, which would limit the audio warnings to only those intersections.
   
  
• An external strobe-light system.
  

 

Back-up alarms are now common on many trucks, and are even finding their way into some automobiles in this model year. If RTA's pilot program is successful, other transit systems may adopt this technology as well.

 

"Our goal is to develop a notification process to help reduce bus & pedestrian accidents," says Joe Calabrese. "RTA takes the safety of its employees, customers and of the general public seriously."

 

Here's my take on this whole thing... In theory it is a great idea.  In areas where there is one bus at a time strolling through on schedule it probably works quite well.  Someone is crossing the street, hear's beep... sees bus.  No problem.  In transit hubs like public square it's an absolute mess.  There are so many beeping and honking noises coming from so many different directions, not to mention the sound reverberations coming off the buildings... that it actually becomes disorienting and in my opinion makes pedestrians less safe.  I don't know how you meet in the middle so to speak, but I just really don't think this is having the desired effect.  At least on public square.

Here's my take on this whole thing... In theory it is a great idea. In areas where there is one bus at a time strolling through on schedule it probably works quite well. Someone is crossing the street, hear's beep... sees bus. No problem. In transit hubs like public square it's an absolute mess. There are so many beeping and honking noises coming from so many different directions, not to mention the sound reverberations coming off the buildings... that it actually becomes disorienting and in my opinion makes pedestrians less safe. I don't know how you meet in the middle so to speak, but I just really don't think this is having the desired effect. At least on public square.

 

I don't know that it works downtown at all, at least until they turn the volume down.  Now that I know what the beeping sounds like, I can actually hear it from my house, even if I CAN'T see the bus at all.

It beeps every time the thing pulls over for a stop.  It makes you want off the bus in a way you never felt before.  Is there any precedent for this system?  Has it been in effect for any length of time anywhere?

I "thought" this was only suposed to happen while turning (left turns at that).  Why on earth would it beep just for stopping?  That just sounds ridiculous.

I "thought" this was only suposed to happen while turning (left turns at that). Why on earth would it beep just for stopping? That just sounds ridiculous.

 

Because it's hooked up through the turn signal, and they have to signal to pull over.

Here's my take on this whole thing... In theory it is a great idea. In areas where there is one bus at a time strolling through on schedule it probably works quite well. Someone is crossing the street, hear's beep... sees bus. No problem. In transit hubs like public square it's an absolute mess. There are so many beeping and honking noises coming from so many different directions, not to mention the sound reverberations coming off the buildings... that it actually becomes disorienting and in my opinion makes pedestrians less safe. I don't know how you meet in the middle so to speak, but I just really don't think this is having the desired effect. At least on public square.

 

I agree completely with this. And strobes can cause epileptic seizures, I don't think that's a solution either.

 

I don't recall being in other large cities where buses beep and/or honk while making a turn, they just look for pedestrians and don't hit them.  To me, that's the solution.  And don't EVER let a driver with an infraction like previoulsy hitting someone return to their job.  The union should be hung out to dry in the press for pushing for this.

I'm not sure there is a good answer to this beeping.  Like you said McCleveland, it is a good idea in theory, but not so sure that practice is holding that theory up.  I think the strob light has more potentential and will be less annoying.  I think these are on the LRV, not sure as I take the red line from Brookpark to TC.

 

Additionally I have noticed that in and around PS the drivers seem to be using their signals as little as possible when stopped.  This has helped eliminate the beeping, but makes one worry that because they no longer have their hazards on if there is a safty risk.  But that seems to be the double edged sword of these.

I don't think strobe lights would be remotely acceptable to epileptics.  I wouldn't be surprised if there was a regulation against it, though I don't know of any.  I know people with this condition and they do not want strobe lights coming at them while they're driving.

 

I've also noticed reduced turn signal usage, after the noise was attached to it.

Additionally I have noticed that in and around PS the drivers seem to be using their signals as little as possible when stopped. This has helped eliminate the beeping, but makes one worry that because they no longer have their hazards on if there is a safety risk. But that seems to be the double edged sword of these.

 

I've noticed a lot of this the last couple days.  Yesterday I actually noticed the noise way down and started looking around and saw most buses not using their turn signals.  The ones that were waited until they had begun making their turn and then turned them off asap.  I really hope RTA reevaluates this program.

^Wow, that is great to hear....has it caused a significant drop in the Red Line ridership?

 

Question? Is there something that would make you think that Red Line ridership is down? Just trying to understand why you would ask that?

 

They asked because the Corridor has the same path as the red line after the UC stop heading east.  If going west, it's virtually the same from Windermere to the Little Italy stop. 

^Wow, that is great to hear....has it caused a significant drop in the Red Line ridership?

 

Question? Is there something that would make you think that Red Line ridership is down? Just trying to understand why you would ask that?

 

They asked because the Corridor has the same path as the red line after the UC stop heading east. If going west, it's virtually the same from Windermere to the Little Italy stop.

 

I'm thinking it also draws people traveling from public square to UC who might have taken the Red Line before

Here's the solution:  have the bus drivers and people walking on the streets pay a little more attention.  and if you're a bus driver and hit a pedestrian that didn't just fling themselves into traffic, then you lose your job and face criminal charges.  problem solved.  i would think there is already enough incentive for a pedestrian to pay more attention to avoid getting hit by a bus...

^Wow, that is great to hear....has it caused a significant drop in the Red Line ridership?

 

Question? Is there something that would make you think that Red Line ridership is down? Just trying to understand why you would ask that?

 

They asked because the Corridor has the same path as the red line after the UC stop heading east. If going west, it's virtually the same from Windermere to the Little Italy stop.

 

I'm thinking it also draws people traveling from public square to UC who might have taken the Red Line before

 

That was my initial concern about the project, it duplicates existing service when we need actual expansions.  The sprucing up of main street was the only decent selling point.  Still is.

Question?  Is there something that would make you think that Red Line ridership is down?  Just trying to understand why you would ask that?

 

The original plan for the Dual Hub subway train (that morphed into the Healthline) was to replace the current east side Red Line route to a more viable corridor along Euclid instead of where it runs now through a lot of empty industrial sites.  Since the Healthline runs somewhat the same route, it seems it could have the potential to grow at the expense of riders from the Red Line.  At one point I seem to remember talk of actually closing the East Side leg of the Red Line because of the low ridership at most of the stations between UC and Tower City.  I hope this isn't the case and the Red line is holding it's own and sustaining it's pre-healthline numbers.

I'm not sure there is a good answer to this beeping.  Like you said McCleveland, it is a good idea in theory, but not so sure that practice is holding that theory up.  I think the strob light has more potentential and will be less annoying.  I think these are on the LRV, not sure as I take the red line from Brookpark to TC.

 

Additionally I have noticed that in and around PS the drivers seem to be using their signals as little as possible when stopped.  This has helped eliminate the beeping, but makes one worry that because they no longer have their hazards on if there is a safty risk.  But that seems to be the double edged sword of these.

 

Personally I prefer the strobe light to the whistle and bell!  I understand why RTA must do that on the train line, but the bus is ridiculous to me.

 

Question?  Is there something that would make you think that Red Line ridership is down?  Just trying to understand why you would ask that?

 

The original plan for the Dual Hub subway train (that morphed into the Healthline) was to replace the current east side Red Line route to a more viable corridor along Euclid instead of where it runs now through a lot of empty industrial sites.  Since the Healthline runs somewhat the same route, it seems it could have the potential to grow at the expense of riders from the Red Line.  At one point I seem to remember talk of actually closing the East Side leg of the Red Line because of the low ridership at most of the stations between UC and Tower City.  I hope this isn't the case and the Red line is holding it's own and sustaining it's pre-healthline numbers.

 

Talk of closing the East Side Red Line?  I don't recall hearing that.  Ever.    The ridership on all Rail lines is up.

Have the red line instead veer up Cedar Glen and Cedar Rd, all the way out to Beachwood mall.  With the health line done, there really is no sense in having it go past the UC station.  Totally redundant, unless the red line will eventually meet up with the waterfront line in Collinwood.  The greater east side could be served a whole lot better, despite Shaker having two lines of its own.  Cedar and/or Mayfield lines will be necessary at some point.

Have the red line instead veer up Cedar Glen and Cedar Rd, all the way out to Beachwood mall.  With the health line done, there really is no sense in having it go past the UC station.  Totally redundant, unless the red line will eventually meet up with the waterfront line in Collinwood.  The greater east side could be served a whole lot better, despite Shaker having two lines of its own.

 

For the sake of keeping peace and not going off topic can we not discuss what we would like to have RTA do, as we already have a thread for that.  Please.

There's a thread for what to do with the east side red line post-BRT?  We're just now asking for preliminary figures on ridership changes, which is why I'm surprised there would be one.  And how would you define the topic boundaries of this thread? 

There's a thread for what to do with the east side red line post-BRT?  We're just now asking for preliminary figures on ridership changes, which is why I'm surprised there would be one.  And how would you define the topic boundaries of this thread? 

 

see...you're taking it off topic...  there is no need to do that.

I take two bus routes per day, and I've definitely noticed the two drivers have been using their turn signals less and less, presumably because they don't want to listen to the noises their bus makes all day.

There's a thread for what to do with the east side red line post-BRT? We're just now asking for preliminary figures on ridership changes, which is why I'm surprised there would be one. And how would you define the topic boundaries of this thread?

 

see...you're taking it off topic... there is no need to do that.

 

Well good morning to you too.  Several people were discussing this in this thread before you came along.  You confronted me, and I asked two questions in return.  You answered neither.

 

1)  Is there a thread for BRT's effect on the red line and what to do about it?

 

2)  What does "Great Cleveland RTA Thread" mean?  If I remember right it's a merger of several old threads, set up as a catch-all.

 

Nobody has a problem moving a discussion to a more appropriate thread.  But don't act like I'm talking RTA in a thread about bathroom fixtures.  I think last week you accused someone of taking the "Off Topic" thread off topic.  Now why don't you just sit back and have a pleasant Friday. 

Talk of closing the East Side Red Line?  I don't recall hearing that.  Ever.

 

I recall it being an issue in the mid-nineties.  Maybe it was a just a ploy to get Dual Hub pushed through...I don't know. 

 

The ridership on all Rail lines is up.

 

Numbers to back it up please, as back to my original query. Would be a pleasant surprise if they were up on the east leg.  It would actually suggest that improving transit options as a whole benefits all modes and makes a good case for more expansion and improvements.

 

 

1.  This thread is more for news and information regarding RTA.

 

2.  If people want to discuss more "pie in the sky" type, future planning rta stuff... there are several threads out there. I know there is one on extending the waterfront line, and others.

 

I'd really like to keep this to news and info, mainly because we are so fortunate to have Jerry checking in here and responding to people's questions/concerns.  I don't see the need to bog him down with every "RTA should create "X" new routes" type discussions.

 

In short I think asking questions like "what is the Health Lines affect on Red Line ridership?" are fair... going off about planning a new rail route... not so much.  That can go in one of the other threads more geared toward "what we would do if we could".

Talk of closing the East Side Red Line?  I don't recall hearing that.  Ever.

 

I recall it being an issue in the mid-nineties.  Maybe it was a just a ploy to get Dual Hub pushed through...I don't know. 

 

The ridership on all Rail lines is up.

 

Numbers to back it up please, as back to my original query. Would be a pleasant surprise if they were up on the east leg.  It would actually suggest that improving transit options as a whole benefits all modes and makes a good case for more expansion and improvements.

 

 

 

If i'm not mistaken Jerry has posted that information here and it's on RTA website.  Have you signed up for RTA's riders digest?

 

ETA

 

Information right from RTA's website:

http://www.riderta.com/nu_newsroom_releases.asp?listingid=1250

http://www.riderta.com/pdf/presentations/2009-03-24-Ridership.pdf

^ Thank you for setting some guidelines about this thread.  I was about to start a thread just about the beeping problem, since it seemed to have a life of its own.  Then again, that seems played out.  Everyone appears to be unanimously anti-beeping, and I don't see how it could be any more clear how poorly that's been recieved.  Please Jerry, let them know.

^ Thank you.  I was about to start a thread just about the beeping problem, since it seemed to have a life of its own.  Then again, that seems played out.  Everyone appears to be unanimously anti-beeping, and I don't see how it could be any more clear how poorly that's been recieved.  Please Jerry, let them know.

 

Why put it on Jerry??  Visit the RTA website and voice your own opinion, if you haven't already done so.

 

For all who don't like the beeping, tell RTA, but please don't put this in Jerry's lap.

If i'm not mistaken Jerry has posted that information here and it's on RTA website.  Have you signed up for RTA's riders digest?

 

I was a simple question which I thought was relevant to the discussion, I did not intend for it to become an argument.  Mods, feel free to delete all my posts on the topic of red line ridership.

If i'm not mistaken Jerry has posted that information here and it's on RTA website.  Have you signed up for RTA's riders digest?

 

I was a simple question which I thought was relevant to the discussion, I did not intend for it to become an argument.  Mods, feel free to delete all my posts on the topic of red line ridership.

 

Argument?  For all I know, you are unaware those information tools exist.  There is no argument nor do i understand how you could think that.  I've o a) answered your question and b) help you better familiarize yourself with RTA and where to find information.  Nothing more, nothing less.

Extra rail service for Rock Hall Induction

 

RTA will offer extended rail hours Saturday to accommodate music fans headed to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Public Hall.

 

The sold-out induction ceremony at Public Hall will be simulcast at the Rock Hall, located near the Waterfront Line’s North Coast Station on East Ninth Street. It is estimated that the ceremony will last until around midnight.

 

The last Waterfront Line train will leave the East Ninth Station at 1 a.m., to take passengers to Tower City. From there, customers will be able to continue on the Red, Blue and Green lines.

 

Waterfront Line service begins at 9 a.m. Saturday with 15-minute frequency. All Blue and Green line trains will continue to the Waterfront Line.

 

^ Thank you. I was about to start a thread just about the beeping problem, since it seemed to have a life of its own. Then again, that seems played out. Everyone appears to be unanimously anti-beeping, and I don't see how it could be any more clear how poorly that's been recieved. Please Jerry, let them know.

 

Why put it on Jerry?? Visit the RTA website and voice your own opinion, if you haven't already done so.

 

For all who don't like the beeping, tell RTA, but please don't put this in Jerry's lap.

 

As I recall, Jerry joined this forum to provide another means to pass along questions that we forumers have regarding RTA.  Another has been to provide us will facts regarding RTA on a variety of subjects.  So yes voicing your concerns on RTA's website is the route to go, but also informing Jerry to pass it along doesn't seem like a stretch to me.

RTA Board Committees meet April 7

 

CLEVELAND – Committees of the Board of Trustees of the Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority (RTA) will meet at 9 a.m. Tuesday, April 7, at RTA's Main Office, 1240 W. Sixth St.

 

Finance Committee

* Michael J. Schipper, Deputy General Manager, Engineering and Project Management, will update Board members on RTA’s progress in spending federal stimulus funds for major capital improvements.

 

Committee of the Whole

* Felicia Brooks-Williams, Manager of Equal Employment Opportunity (EEO) and the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) programs, will present RTA’s affirmative action goals for Fiscal Year (Calendar Year) 2009, for the Committee’s review and approval.

* Jennifer Jackson, Associate Counsel, and Scott Ferraro, Director of Labor and Employee Relations, will update the Board on recent updates to RTA’s Personnel Policies and Procedures Manual. The updates concern the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) and the Family Medical Leave Act (FMLA).

 

Planning and Development Committee

* Michael J. Schipper, Deputy General Manager, Engineering and Project Management, and Frank Polivka, Director of Procurement, will present the Board with plans and proposed contractor awards for a new $9.6 million rail station at Puritas-West 150th.

 

SPECIAL MEETING

After the committee meetings, the Board will hold a special meeting to award a contract for a new Puritas rail station.

 

FUTURE MEETINGS: April 21, May 12, May 26.

 

^ Thank you.  I was about to start a thread just about the beeping problem, since it seemed to have a life of its own.  Then again, that seems played out.  Everyone appears to be unanimously anti-beeping, and I don't see how it could be any more clear how poorly that's been recieved.  Please Jerry, let them know.

 

Why put it on Jerry??  Visit the RTA website and voice your own opinion, if you haven't already done so.

 

For all who don't like the beeping, tell RTA, but please don't put this in Jerry's lap.

 

As I recall, Jerry joined this forum to provide another means to pass along questions that we forumers have regarding RTA.  Another has been to provide us will facts regarding RTA on a variety of subjects.  So yes voicing your concerns on RTA's website is the route to go, but also informing Jerry to pass it along doesn't seem like a stretch to me.

 

True, I guess it's a fine line.  I, personally, don't want jerry or jetdog to become whipping boards or our "couriers" so to speak.  I hope that makes sense.

I've been on the other end of government "suggestion boxes," and I think posting something here for these two to read is more effective.   

^ Thank you. I was about to start a thread just about the beeping problem, since it seemed to have a life of its own. Then again, that seems played out. Everyone appears to be unanimously anti-beeping, and I don't see how it could be any more clear how poorly that's been recieved. Please Jerry, let them know.

 

Why put it on Jerry?? Visit the RTA website and voice your own opinion, if you haven't already done so.

 

For all who don't like the beeping, tell RTA, but please don't put this in Jerry's lap.

 

As I recall, Jerry joined this forum to provide another means to pass along questions that we forumers have regarding RTA. Another has been to provide us will facts regarding RTA on a variety of subjects. So yes voicing your concerns on RTA's website is the route to go, but also informing Jerry to pass it along doesn't seem like a stretch to me.

 

True, I guess it's a fine line. I, personally, don't want jerry or jetdog to become whipping boards or our "couriers" so to speak. I hope that makes sense.

 

True they have enough on their hands as it is.  Especially since budget cuts have increased their roles....I think

I've been on the other end of government "suggestion boxes," and I think posting something here for these two to read is more effective.  

 

I have never, ever gotten a response to emails sent to RTA's customer service email address so I quit bothering.  I even sent a letter to management once, which was never answered.  I'd much rather let JetDog or Jerry know, without making them "whipping boys."

^ When you register a complaint on the Web site, it is supposed to be checked by, or routed to, the appropriate party. When you post a complaint here, all I do is route it. (Contrary to popular belief, I do not know all the answers.) Someone who is NOT on this Forum may be offended, and perhaps rightly so, if more attention is given to your queries over theirs. I urge all customers, including those here, to use the format that has been created on the Web site. If the complaint is urgent, then send it to me at [email protected]. I will need your e-mail address anyway to get back to you.

A release has been posted, regarding bus safety. Most of it you already know, but the following may interest you.

 

RTA has received some complaints to date, and is now looking at ways to turn down the volume of the beeping. RTA has also heard from customers who believe the said they thought the beeping was a good idea.

 

Two future ideas are being considered:

1. Install pole-mounted monitors at various high-incident intersections, which would limit the audio warnings to only those intersections.

2. An external strobe-light system.

 

An early poster noted: "...Especially since budget cuts have increased their roles."

 

This is correct. There is a hiring freeze in effect, and since July 1, I have had two roles -- Publications Manager and Media Relations Manager. Others here are also wearing two hats -- at least it keeps your head warm.

I still don't want to be the first/only city to have this system, because it makes us look dumb.  These pole-items, are they monitors or audio warnings or both?  That does seem like a much better plan, better than having every bus beep at every stop and corner throughout town.

http://www.riderta.com/pdf/presentations/2009-03-24-Ridership.pdf

 

So the red line numbers are down from 2008,  -6.0% in January and -3.8% in February according to the report.  It would be interesting to know if this directly correlates to people switching to the Healthline and if that trend down is the entire Heavy rail line, or more the east portion.  Since the Red line is only down slightly, and the Healthline is way up, I guess it isn't really having that much affect.

As far as the earlier discussion on pedestrian safety, one thing is clear. People act in their own self interests.

* They do not stop at stop signs.

* They do not obey speed limit signs.

* They park right in front of no parking signs.

 

Many pedestrians also violate the law. Just stand on any street corner downtown, at any hour, and count the number of drivers and pedestrians who are breaking the law. The numbers are astounding.

 

Both sides have to take responsibility for safety.

There's a thread for what to do with the east side red line post-BRT?  We're just now asking for preliminary figures on ridership changes, which is why I'm surprised there would be one.  And how would you define the topic boundaries of this thread? 

 

see...you're taking it off topic...  there is no need to do that.

^ Thank you.  I was about to start a thread just about the beeping problem, since it seemed to have a life of its own.  Then again, that seems played out.  Everyone appears to be unanimously anti-beeping, and I don't see how it could be any more clear how poorly that's been recieved.  Please Jerry, let them know.

 

Why put it on Jerry??  Visit the RTA website and voice your own opinion, if you haven't already done so.

 

For all who don't like the beeping, tell RTA, but please don't put this in Jerry's lap.

If i'm not mistaken Jerry has posted that information here and it's on RTA website.  Have you signed up for RTA's riders digest?

 

I was a simple question which I thought was relevant to the discussion, I did not intend for it to become an argument.  Mods, feel free to delete all my posts on the topic of red line ridership.

 

Argument?  For all I know, you are unaware those information tools exist.  There is no argument nor do i understand how you could think that.  I've o a) answered your question and b) help you better familiarize yourself with RTA and where to find information.  Nothing more, nothing less.

 

MTS, what is wrong with thou today?  You seem to be an especially critical bee this morning. 

 

With that being said, I have often thought about creating a new thread called "If you could start today and completely recreate the Rapid with an unlimited/limited supply of funds (at a minimum of 3 lines), what would your system look like?"

 

327, you wanna start that?  Or is there already one?

There's a thread for what to do with the east side red line post-BRT?  We're just now asking for preliminary figures on ridership changes, which is why I'm surprised there would be one.  And how would you define the topic boundaries of this thread? 

 

see...you're taking it off topic...  there is no need to do that.

^ Thank you.  I was about to start a thread just about the beeping problem, since it seemed to have a life of its own.  Then again, that seems played out.  Everyone appears to be unanimously anti-beeping, and I don't see how it could be any more clear how poorly that's been recieved.  Please Jerry, let them know.

 

Why put it on Jerry??  Visit the RTA website and voice your own opinion, if you haven't already done so.

 

For all who don't like the beeping, tell RTA, but please don't put this in Jerry's lap.

If i'm not mistaken Jerry has posted that information here and it's on RTA website.  Have you signed up for RTA's riders digest?

 

I was a simple question which I thought was relevant to the discussion, I did not intend for it to become an argument.  Mods, feel free to delete all my posts on the topic of red line ridership.

 

Argument?  For all I know, you are unaware those information tools exist.  There is no argument nor do i understand how you could think that.  I've o a) answered your question and b) help you better familiarize yourself with RTA and where to find information.  Nothing more, nothing less.

 

MTS, what is wrong with thou today?  You seem to be an especially critical bee this morning. 

 

With that being said, I have often thought about creating a new thread called "If you could start today and completely recreate the Rapid with an unlimited/limited supply of funds (at a minimum of 3 lines), what would your system look like?"

 

327, you wanna start that?  Or is there already one?

 

I'm a year older and crankier.  >:D  Unlike Rob, I'm not so "sweet"!  I didn't get much sleep last night as I have 7 teenagers living with me right now.

I have a friend in the Bay Area who sent me the link below.  Their bus fleet is implementing a similar system in the name of "safety," but the only thing it seems to be doing right now is annoying everyone around a turning bus!

 

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/02/18/BAMR15TDN6.DTL

 

If there were some evidence that this kind of system works, I'd shut up (or maybe I should just shut up anyways!)  :-)

There's a thread for what to do with the east side red line post-BRT? We're just now asking for preliminary figures on ridership changes, which is why I'm surprised there would be one. And how would you define the topic boundaries of this thread?

 

see...you're taking it off topic... there is no need to do that.

^ Thank you. I was about to start a thread just about the beeping problem, since it seemed to have a life of its own. Then again, that seems played out. Everyone appears to be unanimously anti-beeping, and I don't see how it could be any more clear how poorly that's been recieved. Please Jerry, let them know.

 

Why put it on Jerry?? Visit the RTA website and voice your own opinion, if you haven't already done so.

 

For all who don't like the beeping, tell RTA, but please don't put this in Jerry's lap.

If i'm not mistaken Jerry has posted that information here and it's on RTA website. Have you signed up for RTA's riders digest?

 

I was a simple question which I thought was relevant to the discussion, I did not intend for it to become an argument. Mods, feel free to delete all my posts on the topic of red line ridership.

 

Argument? For all I know, you are unaware those information tools exist. There is no argument nor do i understand how you could think that. I've o a) answered your question and b) help you better familiarize yourself with RTA and where to find information. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

MTS, what is wrong with thou today? You seem to be an especially critical bee this morning.

 

With that being said, I have often thought about creating a new thread called "If you could start today and completely recreate the Rapid with an unlimited/limited supply of funds (at a minimum of 3 lines), what would your system look like?"

 

327, you wanna start that? Or is there already one?

 

I'm a year older and crankier.   >:D   Unlike Rob, I'm not so "sweet"! I didn't get much sleep last night as I have 7 teenagers living with me right now.

 

7 teenagers living with you? Or bound in your basement?

There is such a thread, and it has some cool color-coded maps in it.  I really just wanted to follow up on your point about the BRT and red line being redundant.  That seemed sufficiently meta.  I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition.

hahaah.  Can you provide a link to the thread? 

No.  I bet MTS can.