I saw an articulated bus today, but it wasn't of the HealthLine style. It looked like the newer standard buses in the fleet except for the articulation of course. Are these for the new BRT route up Clifton?

 

The articulated vehicles may be unveiled later this month. They will be used on a number of routes, to be determined.

This might have been covered before, so sorry for the repeat if so.  Does RTA offer sponsorship opportunities for bus shelters?  I was strolling through Public Square and noticed none of the shelters had ads of any kind.  However, I have seen RTA ads on some of the shelters up and down Superior but none for other businesses, restaurants, etc.

This might have been covered before, so sorry for the repeat if so.  Does RTA offer sponsorship opportunities for bus shelters?  I was strolling through Public Square and noticed none of the shelters had ads of any kind.  However, I have seen RTA ads on some of the shelters up and down Superior but none for other businesses, restaurants, etc.

 

The Healthline (and if im not mistaken, but I probably am with this one) and some shelters in the transit zone are sponsored.

This might have been covered before, so sorry for the repeat if so.  Does RTA offer sponsorship opportunities for bus shelters?  I was strolling through Public Square and noticed none of the shelters had ads of any kind.  However, I have seen RTA ads on some of the shelters up and down Superior but none for other businesses, restaurants, etc.

 

city of cleveland has public right of way restrictions on private advertising - in some cases rta has had trouble even putting their own advertisements (the old gasoline pumps) on shelters.  these restrictions also exist in lakewood and cleve heights (and probably most other cities around here as well).

 

there are exceptions, including the sponsorship of healthline stations - but even here the sponsorship is much more the announcement of the stop and "sponsored by..."  than it is a large advertisement on the station itself.

 

this is one of the areas that has hampered rta is rolling out additional amenities at downtown stops - lighting, schedule info, spot heating, etc.  - there is no advertising revenue stream to pay for these improvements that you often see in other major cities (chicago, ny, for example)

This might have been covered before, so sorry for the repeat if so. Does RTA offer sponsorship opportunities for bus shelters? I was strolling through Public Square and noticed none of the shelters had ads of any kind. However, I have seen RTA ads on some of the shelters up and down Superior but none for other businesses, restaurants, etc.

 

city of cleveland has public right of way restrictions on private advertising - in some cases rta has had trouble even putting their own advertisements (the old gasoline pumps) on shelters. these restrictions also exist in lakewood and cleve heights (and probably most other cities around here as well).

 

there are exceptions, including the sponsorship of healthline stations - but even here the sponsorship is much more the announcement of the stop and "sponsored by..." than it is a large advertisement on the station itself.

 

this is one of the areas that has hampered rta is rolling out additional amenities at downtown stops - lighting, schedule info, spot heating, etc. - there is no advertising revenue stream to pay for these improvements that you often see in other major cities (chicago, ny, for example)

 

That's a shame... it seems like a great way to make some much-needed revenue.  Hopefully the city will eventually get some fresh thinkers who revisit this restriction.

This might have been covered before, so sorry for the repeat if so.  Does RTA offer sponsorship opportunities for bus shelters?  I was strolling through Public Square and noticed none of the shelters had ads of any kind.  However, I have seen RTA ads on some of the shelters up and down Superior but none for other businesses, restaurants, etc.

 

city of cleveland has public right of way restrictions on private advertising - in some cases rta has had trouble even putting their own advertisements (the old gasoline pumps) on shelters.  these restrictions also exist in lakewood and cleve heights (and probably most other cities around here as well).

 

there are exceptions, including the sponsorship of healthline stations - but even here the sponsorship is much more the announcement of the stop and "sponsored by..."  than it is a large advertisement on the station itself.

 

this is one of the areas that has hampered rta is rolling out additional amenities at downtown stops - lighting, schedule info, spot heating, etc.  - there is no advertising revenue stream to pay for these improvements that you often see in other major cities (chicago, ny, for example)

 

That's a shame... it seems like a great way to make some much-needed revenue.  Hopefully the city will eventually get some fresh thinkers who revisit this restriction.

 

It's not just a city of cleveland issue.

That's a shame... it seems like a great way to make some much-needed revenue.  Hopefully the cities will eventually get some fresh thinkers who revisit this restriction.

 

Fixed that for you.

That's a shame... it seems like a great way to make some much-needed revenue.  Hopefully the cities will eventually get some fresh thinkers who revisit this restriction.

Fixed that for you.

as i mentioned in my original post, cleveland's policy with respect to advertising in the public right of way is not unique in northeast ohio. 

 

however, in practice the main areas where advertising revenue will be both substantial enough and is needed to support additional amenities, are usually going to be in the city proper.

 

the restriction on advertising in public right of way has also slowed getting recycling containers downtown and around the city, and the combined newspaper machines you often see in other cities.  in defense of the city, the triangular kiosks downtown are the one exception, and a few years ago the city made a decision that these kiosks would be the only advertising in the public right of way.

^I find that hostility towards sponsored public furniture a little strange...you'd think the municipalities would be open to RTA tapping additional revenue sources.  Obviously the revenue potential is completely different, but here in NYC, the transit authority doesn't have to spend a single dime maintaining most of its bus shelters- they are all taken care of by a franchisee/advertiser.

That's a shame... it seems like a great way to make some much-needed revenue. Hopefully the cities will eventually get some fresh thinkers who revisit this restriction.

Fixed that for you.

as i mentioned in my original post, cleveland's policy with respect to advertising in the public right of way is not unique in northeast ohio.

 

however, in practice the main areas where advertising revenue will be both substantial enough and is needed to support additional amenities, are usually going to be in the city proper.

 

the restriction on advertising in public right of way has also slowed getting recycling containers downtown and around the city, and the combined newspaper machines you often see in other cities.   in defense of the city, the triangular kiosks downtown are the one exception, and a few years ago the city made a decision that these kiosks would be the only advertising in the public right of way.

 

That's too bad.  With the region in economic despair, I wish the city (okay, cities) would revisit this issue.  It seems like such a great untapped revenue source.  I've seen advertisements on bus shelters in NYC, Chicago, LA... sometimes the ads are pretty cool!  At least it adds some color and life to an otherwise blank canvas!

Was on a 2100 series bus (the white ones with stars that say Travel the Euclid Corridor) for some reason on my way home today on the #9 (which is typically serviced by all 2800 series buses).....  At any rate, I never noticed that the front door and the back door are a way different distance apart than all the newer buses - I mean not even close - there's about a 5 ft difference, so no one could exit the back door at the Healthline stops cause it wasn't in the right place.  I totally never noticed there was that much of a difference before.....  Just ironic that the buses that tell you to travel the Euclid Corridor can't travel it themselves :).  At least it was a beep-free ride for once, lol! 

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/07/rta_cuts_community_circulators.html

 

RTA may cut community circulators, raise fares to save $5 million

Posted by Karen Farkas/Plain Dealer Reporter July 15, 2009 17:06PM

 

CLEVELAND — RTA will likely raise fares about 25 cents per ride and eliminate its lightly used but very popular community circulators.

 

RTA intends to take the actions to counteract a $5.5 million deficit expected at the end of this year because of a steep decline in sales taxes that will result in $18.5 million less than expected.

 

......

I'm counting the days until we have to pay for the Trolley.

I guess we shouldn't be surprised to see these cuts right after the state budget cut transportation subsidies again. $44.3 million in 2000 to $10.8 million in 2010, yet ridership across the state has gone up (for the most part). That on top of the loss of sales taxes because of the recession.... (self censoring myself here)

 

This reminds me I need to express my opinion to my state representative/state senator again. Its been a few weeks since I told them what I thought of them and the bang up job they're doing.

 

I'm counting the days until we have to pay for the Trolley.

Has anyone suggested that the trolleys wouldn't remain free? Considering they are sponsersed, I don't think this is something we need to worry about.

I'm counting the days until we have to pay for the Trolley.

 

the trolleys should remain free.  it again is one of those complicated funding streams.  NOACA has provided CMAQ funding, which along with various sponsorships make this service free.  CMAQ funding is used to fund congestion mitigation and air quality projects, and to date, the trolleys with 5000 riders a day, are making a significant contribution to reducing downtown air pollution and congestion.  with a fare, this is less likely to happen.  also, i believe rta has said that 85 or 90% of the trolley riders have already bought a fare on the system and are transferring.  The sponsorship is really just paying that 10 or 15% estimate of riders that would pay a fare.

I'm counting the days until we have to pay for the Trolley.

 

the trolleys should remain free. it again is one of those complicated funding streams. NOACA has provided CMAQ funding, which along with various sponsorships make this service free. CMAQ funding is used to fund congestion mitigation and air quality projects, and to date, the trolleys with 5000 riders a day, are making a significant contribution to reducing downtown air pollution and congestion. with a fare, this is less likely to happen. also, i believe rta has said that 85 or 90% of the trolley riders have already bought a fare on the system and are transferring. The sponsorship is really just paying that 10 or 15% estimate of riders that would pay a fare.

 

Good to know!  I hope it stays that way for as long as possible.  The Trolleys are great.

NOACA has provided CMAQ funding, which along with various sponsorships make this service free. CMAQ funding is used to fund congestion mitigation and air quality projects, and to date, the trolleys with 5000 riders a day, are making a significant contribution to reducing downtown air pollution and congestion.

 

True, except that CMAQ is available for only the first three years of a new service.

The trolleys are interesting and fun; they add a nice dimension to downtown and spark curiosity among visitors (who often ride just to check them out).  I hope they remain free, also.

Some of those comments on cleveland.com....wow.

 

But there are some legitimate concerns, most obvious and somewhat easy/realistic to fix is with drivers double tasking (cell phone use should not only be prohibited but also punishable by suspension and then eventual firings) and letting people on for free.  But man, then there's that 18 million budget deficit.  I don't have any solutions for that, at least nothing immediate.

Some of those comments on cleveland.com....wow.

 

But there are some legitimate concerns, most obvious and somewhat easy/realistic to fix is with drivers double tasking (cell phone use should not only be prohibited but also punishable by suspension and then eventual firings) and letting people on for free.  But man, then there's that 18 million budget deficit.  I don't have any solutions for that, at least nothing immediate.

 

I think cell phone usage by any driver/operator should be treated as immediate termination.  This article is interesting about what San Antonio did to their drivers... http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/VIA_nixes_texting_by_drivers.html

"eliminate its lightly used but very popular community circulators. "

 

Lightly used, but highly popular?  Incredible doublespeak, there.  Are there ridership numbers for the circulators?

 

During the "trolley" discussion that proposed rerouting the E-line trolley to serve W. 25th, or adding a trolley, I must admit that I thought about charging for the trolleys.  I read the number 5,000 riders per day and wondered what kind of decrease you would see if you charged as little as a quarter to ride the trolley, and then used that revenue to add service to the west side.  Let's suggest that any decrease in ridership due to adding a quarter fee would be offset by the added ridership of the new trolley line.  5,000 riders a day over a year at a quarter a ride yields over $400,000 in revenue, enough to cover the $125k figure mentioned earlier to implement the new line, and then some.  Since the trolleys try to capture old-timey ambiance I think you could get away with a 25-cent fare if you had to, go ahead and call it "two-bits" if you want.  :-)

 

Unfortunately that all went out the window with the claim that only 10-15% of the trolley riders would be obligated to pay a fare.

This may be the straw/camel's back for me. With another fare hike, it may be so close to a wash financially to drive vs. taking public transit that I'll only take it occasionally if the weather/traffic are really bad.  With a new baby who will be in day care and me worried about the ability to get to him relatively quickly if need be, this could push me over the edge.  Too bad.

I will likely be dropping my monthly pass and paying per ride. The circulator gets heavy usage by me. I've already started biking to make up for some large gaps in service. I'll just add more cycling.

The idiots in the state really need to start realizing that mass transportation needs more funding. This is going to be a downward spiral if things don't change soon. The only people who will end up depending on mass transit will be those who can't afford a car and HAVE to use mass transit.

It's a lot like a store that keeps raising their prices because they can't afford the rent and not enough people are shopping there to keep them profitable.  The consumers quit shopping there because they can't afford it, and so they raise prices more. Eventually, the store goes out of business.  I would hate to see that happen to RTA but I don't see any solution.  The "landlords" aren't going to let the "store" operate rent-free and the store owners can't afford the rent.

Then factor in that the store owner legally can't operate at a loss... Awesome. Thanks Ohio.

This is really ugly. Without state money or an increase in the county sales tax, RTA is going to have to prioritize routes.  It's a really tough call.  Some routes are relied upon by the poor and car-less; but take away the suburban park and rides and other suburban service, and you lose the original county consensus to have an RTA in the first place...would be horrible to see efforts to repeal the sales tax.

Columbus (the government) just seems so anti-urban in general, it's not even funny. What is up with that?!?

Our nation's entire transportation system is in financial disarray because our politicians want a first-world system on a third-world budget. They are starting to get what they're paying for.

 

+ Transit agencies are cutting services and raising fares as ridership has grown nationwide for 12 straight years, but so has fuel expenses while federal and state funding has fallen;

+ The federal highway trust fund is about to get its second bailout ($20 billion on top of $8 billion last year) because people have been driving less for several years while the costs of maintaining our aging highway system are skyrocketing;

+ Airlines have lost more than $50 billion since 2001 (nearly half of that came in just 2001) despite getting federal bailouts of $30 billion and annual subsidies of more than $3 billion;

+ Amtrak has achieved ridership records in each of the last six years but still operates a small fleet of trains with an average age of 20-30 years and is subject to chronic breakdowns.

 

Is this a transportation system of a first-world nation? I think not.

Columbus (the government) just seems so anti-urban in general, it's not even funny. What is up with that?!?

 

No matter what you think of her (and to be honest, I don't care WHO said it but it happened to be her), I *love* the quote from Jane Campbell when she was asked "what's the best thing that could happen for the city of Cleveland?" - her response? "Secede from the state of Ohio".

 

I admire and appreciate the cities of Columbus, Cincinnati, etc. - I love visiting, I have friends there, but simply put - when it comes to transit, they didn't get it for decades and they're just now catching up to us. Cleveland alone has rail transit worth mentioning (and the first airport-to-downtown route in the Western hemisphere), along with the first BRT line in Ohio, but god forbid the downstate politicians acknowledge that, and even worse - support that! 

I think that it really sucks that RTA has a possible deficit of $18 million, but isn't the state of Ohio also facing a budget crisis? With that in mind, how can I ask my local representatives to increase public transit funding when they just cut funding in a number of areas (the libraries for example)? Could we decrease funding for something to increase funding for transit? If so, then what program do we cut from?

 

Oh, and does RTA get funding from the other counties that it serves?

With the fare increase, depending on RTA for my transportation is now on par with owning/operating a car.  It's a shame the State has let it come to this.

 

There are cities where annual transit usage (even with lower gas prices) has INCREASED (Portland, South Florida, Dallas, Salt Lake City, etc.)  But it takes more than simply a transit agency to make that happen.  It takes the cooperation of the city and state governments to increase funding and make that happen.  Ohio, Cleveland, Northeast Ohio, doesn't have that support.  Face it, that's where we live and that's the problem we have to deal with.

I think that it really sucks that RTA has a possible deficit of $18 million, but isn't the state of Ohio also facing a budget crisis? With that in mind, how can I ask my local representatives to increase public transit funding when they just cut funding in a number of areas (the libraries for example)? Could we decrease funding for something to increase funding for transit? If so, then what program do we cut from?

 

These are very good points, for sure. But the amount that is dedicated to mass transit in the state of Ohio is PALTRY compared to many other states .. and the thing that really pisses me off is that, while mass transit is short-changed, highway expansion projects are happening. We will never rid ourselves of cars. Fact. They're too convenient. But if it's not this budget crisis, it'll be something else. It's always something else.

 

I think voices need to start being heard. Investments need to be made in cities. Urban centers in Ohio have been short-changed for a long time, and one of those areas is in mass transit.

I think that it really sucks that RTA has a possible deficit of $18 million, but isn't the state of Ohio also facing a budget crisis? With that in mind, how can I ask my local representatives to increase public transit funding when they just cut funding in a number of areas (the libraries for example)? Could we decrease funding for something to increase funding for transit? If so, then what program do we cut from?

 

These are very good points, for sure. But the amount that is dedicated to mass transit in the state of Ohio is PALTRY compared to many other states .. and the thing that really pisses me off is that, while mass transit is short-changed, highway expansion projects are happening. We will never rid ourselves of cars. Fact. They're too convenient. But if it's not this budget crisis, it'll be something else. It's always something else.

 

I think voices need to start being heard. Investments need to be made in cities. Urban centers in Ohio have been short-changed for a long time, and one of those areas is in mass transit.

 

the odot transportation priorities task force report from last year recommended a permanent funding source for transit in ohio.  as long as rta competes in the general revenue fund for dollars, they (or any transit agency in ohio), is unlikely to see significant increases, imo. 

 

the recent state budget, which cut transit funding another 33%, is really small stuff, overall.  funding went from 14 million statewide to 10 million statewide, of which rta receives 25% (although the biggest system, and carrying 45% of statewide riders).  Even if the state didn't cut the transit budget, or increased it by 25%, we would be looking at 14 to 18 million, which rta might have a chance at getting 25% of - certainly better, but not nearly enough to deal with an 18million projected shortfall from the sales tax.

 

as for other counties funding rta - both medina county and lorain county paid in from noaca money last year to fund services in their counties.  word on the street is that medina will re-up with rta this year, but that lorain county will let service expire in sept.this is more of a principle argument though - medina paid something like 60,000 and lorain paid slightly more, so it isn't millions of additional revenue.

You want to increase funding for transit in Ohio? Look for budget offsets or new revenue sources. Some are already doing just that to find funding for 3-C Corridor. But Ohio needs to also take care of the transit system it already has AND look for expansion opportunities like 3-C.

 

I'll edit my original message to avoid tipping our hand, but I want readers (especially our friends at Ohio transit agencies) to know that All Aboard Ohio has found anywhere from $25 million to $71 million per year for public transit in Ohio. That's very close to the $75 million for transit (so that each transit agency has 25 percent of their budgets coming from state sources) as recommended by the governor's 21st Century Transportation Task Force. And this can be done without increasing the gas tax or amending the state's constitution.

 

Yes, I know this should be in the ODOT thread. Which is where I'm going to cross-post it now. I encourage follow-up discussion to be made there to keep this thread specific to Cleveland RTA.

http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/news_article.aspx?storyid=118331&catid=3

 

Shaker Heights: Obama town hall attendees should ride RTA

Posted By: Kim  Wendel    Updated: 7/22/2009 3:11:39 PM  Posted: 7/22/2009 3:01:50 PM

 

SHAKER HEIGHTS -- Organizers of Thursday afternoon's visit by President Barack Obama are encouraging the 2,000 expected ticket holders to use Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority's Blue and Green Lines to get to the event at Shaker Heights High School, located at 15911 Aldersyde Road.

 

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It's a cool idea, but I don't see that happening  .4 miles is a long distance for some people.

It's a cool idea, but I don't see that happening  .4 miles is a long distance for some people.

 

The walk isn't really that far, especially from Onaway.  If you walk from South Park, its a beautiful walk.  Walking seems further than it is because the streets curve. 

 

Parking around the school is scare.  People should take the train.

It's a cool idea, but I don't see that happening  .4 miles is a long distance for some people.

 

Sadly, you're probably right.  People are astonishing lazy, especially when the longest walk they're accustomed to is from the parking lot to the grocery store entrance.  At a brisk pace, 0.4 miles is literally a 6-7 minute walk.  I won't feel at all bad if SHPD is out there with their traffic ticket books. 

It's a cool idea, but I don't see that happening  .4 miles is a long distance for some people.

 

I certainly understand where this in coming from. However, in the context of health care and the way we think about how we get places, this comment is extremely sad and funny to me.

 

the longest walk they're accustomed to is from the parking lot to the grocery store entrance.

 

But they pulled up to the Super Walmart and Home Depot and somehow managed to maneuver around all that space :roll:

0.4 miles is about an 8ish minute walk for anyone in good health.

0.4 miles is about an 8ish minute walk for anyone in good health.

 

I usually rode my moped, but in winter or bad weather I took the train if I didn't get a ride or we didn't take my moms car to school.  As a person who walked that route (south park to shaker) for many a year, it's not even that long.  Granted I have long legs and i'm a fast walker.

Yep.

 

I was just basing that on a 20-minute mile pace, which is nearly a saunter.

 

For some reason, saying 8-minute walk sounds totally acceptable to me where 0.4 mile walk sounds like a bit much to ask.

Today in the RTA adventures of docbroc (every day is an adventure, just some are worth noting)....

 

I was on the bus on my way home, when an elderly gentleman got on the bus and proceeded to open up a giant container of sausage and sauerkraut (ick) and started eating.  He finished his meal, and proceeded to leave the bus around the CSU area.  When he got up, he left his carryout and drink containers in his seat and walked to the door.  The people who spotted this were all just kinda staring at it, so I decided to say something.  Very politely, I said, "Sir, your trash" and pointed to it.  He said, "She'll (the bus driver) get it."  And then I said again "Sir, your trash."  And he said "Why?!?" and I said, "Because it's the polite thing to do."  He then said either "Well you can f*ck me" or "Well she can f*ck me" I couldn't tell which and walked off the bus.  Everyone just bowed and shook their heads in disbelief after that exchange.  I was pretty p!ssed off, but I let it go so as to not start anything. :argue:

Today in the RTA adventures of docbroc (every day is an adventure, just some are worth noting)....

 

I was on the bus on my way home, when an elderly gentleman got on the bus and proceeded to open up a giant container of sausage and sauerkraut (ick) and started eating.  He finished his meal, and proceeded to leave the bus around the CSU area.  When he got up, he left his carryout and drink containers in his seat and walked to the door.  The people who spotted this were all just kinda staring at it, so I decided to say something.  Very politely, I said, "Sir, your trash" and pointed to it.  He said, "She'll (the bus driver) get it."  And then I said again "Sir, your trash."  And he said "Why?!?" and I said, "Because it's the polite thing to do."  He then said either "Well you can f*ck me" or "Well she can f*ck me" I couldn't tell which and walked off the bus.  Everyone just bowed and shook their heads in disbelief after that exchange.  I was pretty p!ssed off, but I let it go so as to not start anything. :argue:

 

Good for you Doc.  You should have thrown it on his a$$ or at least taken a picture and turned it in to the police.

Today in the RTA adventures of docbroc (every day is an adventure, just some are worth noting)....

 

I was on the bus on my way home, when an elderly gentleman got on the bus and proceeded to open up a giant container of sausage and sauerkraut (ick) and started eating. He finished his meal, and proceeded to leave the bus around the CSU area. When he got up, he left his carryout and drink containers in his seat and walked to the door. The people who spotted this were all just kinda staring at it, so I decided to say something. Very politely, I said, "Sir, your trash" and pointed to it. He said, "She'll (the bus driver) get it." And then I said again "Sir, your trash." And he said "Why?!?" and I said, "Because it's the polite thing to do." He then said either "Well you can f*ck me" or "Well she can f*ck me" I couldn't tell which and walked off the bus. Everyone just bowed and shook their heads in disbelief after that exchange. I was pretty p!ssed off, but I let it go so as to not start anything. :argue:

 

Good for you Doc. You should have thrown it on his a$$ or at least taken a picture and turned it in to the police.

 

Yeah, the mister said he probably would've thrown it out the door at him.....

Today in the RTA adventures of docbroc (every day is an adventure, just some are worth noting)....

 

I was on the bus on my way home, when an elderly gentleman got on the bus and proceeded to open up a giant container of sausage and sauerkraut (ick) and started eating.  He finished his meal, and proceeded to leave the bus around the CSU area.  When he got up, he left his carryout and drink containers in his seat and walked to the door.  The people who spotted this were all just kinda staring at it, so I decided to say something.  Very politely, I said, "Sir, your trash" and pointed to it.  He said, "She'll (the bus driver) get it."  And then I said again "Sir, your trash."  And he said "Why?!?" and I said, "Because it's the polite thing to do."  He then said either "Well you can f*ck me" or "Well she can f*ck me" I couldn't tell which and walked off the bus.  Everyone just bowed and shook their heads in disbelief after that exchange.  I was pretty p!ssed off, but I let it go so as to not start anything. :argue:

 

Good for you Doc.  You should have thrown it on his a$$ or at least taken a picture and turned it in to the police.

 

Yeah, the mister said he probably would've thrown it out the door at him.....

 

As our resident mad scientist, don't you carry chemicals or potions?  You could've thrown a lil "something, something" on him.

Today in the RTA adventures of docbroc (every day is an adventure, just some are worth noting)....

 

I was on the bus on my way home, when an elderly gentleman got on the bus and proceeded to open up a giant container of sausage and sauerkraut (ick) and started eating. He finished his meal, and proceeded to leave the bus around the CSU area. When he got up, he left his carryout and drink containers in his seat and walked to the door. The people who spotted this were all just kinda staring at it, so I decided to say something. Very politely, I said, "Sir, your trash" and pointed to it. He said, "She'll (the bus driver) get it." And then I said again "Sir, your trash." And he said "Why?!?" and I said, "Because it's the polite thing to do." He then said either "Well you can f*ck me" or "Well she can f*ck me" I couldn't tell which and walked off the bus. Everyone just bowed and shook their heads in disbelief after that exchange. I was pretty p!ssed off, but I let it go so as to not start anything. :argue:

 

Good for you Doc. You should have thrown it on his a$$ or at least taken a picture and turned it in to the police.

 

Yeah, the mister said he probably would've thrown it out the door at him.....

 

As our resident mad scientist, don't you carry chemicals or potions? You could've thrown a lil "something, something" on him.

 

Oh no no no.  If you saw the hazard labels on all the chemicals I use, you wouldn't want them in your bag either! 

Today in the RTA adventures of docbroc (every day is an adventure, just some are worth noting)....

 

I was on the bus on my way home, when an elderly gentleman got on the bus and proceeded to open up a giant container of sausage and sauerkraut (ick) and started eating.  He finished his meal, and proceeded to leave the bus around the CSU area.  When he got up, he left his carryout and drink containers in his seat and walked to the door.  The people who spotted this were all just kinda staring at it, so I decided to say something.  Very politely, I said, "Sir, your trash" and pointed to it.  He said, "She'll (the bus driver) get it."  And then I said again "Sir, your trash."  And he said "Why?!?" and I said, "Because it's the polite thing to do."  He then said either "Well you can f*ck me" or "Well she can f*ck me" I couldn't tell which and walked off the bus.  Everyone just bowed and shook their heads in disbelief after that exchange.  I was pretty p!ssed off, but I let it go so as to not start anything. :argue:

 

Good for you Doc.  You should have thrown it on his a$$ or at least taken a picture and turned it in to the police.

 

Yeah, the mister said he probably would've thrown it out the door at him.....

 

As our resident mad scientist, don't you carry chemicals or potions?  You could've thrown a lil "something, something" on him.

 

Oh no no no.  If you saw the hazard labels on all the chemicals I use, you wouldn't want them in your bag either! 

 

Depends on what type of bag im carrying!  :evil:

Today in the RTA adventures of docbroc (every day is an adventure, just some are worth noting)....

 

I was on the bus on my way home, when an elderly gentleman got on the bus and proceeded to open up a giant container of sausage and sauerkraut (ick) and started eating.  He finished his meal, and proceeded to leave the bus around the CSU area.  When he got up, he left his carryout and drink containers in his seat and walked to the door.  The people who spotted this were all just kinda staring at it, so I decided to say something.  Very politely, I said, "Sir, your trash" and pointed to it.  He said, "She'll (the bus driver) get it."  And then I said again "Sir, your trash."  And he said "Why?!?" and I said, "Because it's the polite thing to do."  He then said either "Well you can f*ck me" or "Well she can f*ck me" I couldn't tell which and walked off the bus.  Everyone just bowed and shook their heads in disbelief after that exchange.  I was pretty p!ssed off, but I let it go so as to not start anything. :argue:

 

Good for you Doc.  You should have thrown it on his a$$ or at least taken a picture and turned it in to the police.

 

Yeah, the mister said he probably would've thrown it out the door at him.....

 

As our resident mad scientist, don't you carry chemicals or potions?  You could've thrown a lil "something, something" on him.

 

Umm...in poor taste much?  :|

 

Woman, two others injured by acid thrown on bus

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2007/07/woman_two_others_injured_by_ac.html