I do see families riding it on weekends to the North Coast Harbor stop but just a smattering of people during rush hours.

but it gets more rush hour commuter types as soon as the weather takes a nosedive, no?

 

 

Kudos to RTA for implementing this stronger, stricter rule.

 

Yes, I'm happy for RTA publicly to make this rule.  It's too bad it came to this, however.  You'd kinda think the driver of a vehicle who's entrusted with the lives of, sometimes, hundreds of passengers would know this going in... DUH... then again, there was the idiot commuter train text-ing engineer who wound up killing (at least) 25 of his passengers due to his stupidity... So at the very least for passenger piece of mind, I reiterate: good move!

http://www.riderta.com/nu_ridersalerts_list.asp?listingid=1296

 

Waterfront Line Maintenance 10/5/09 - 10/24/09

 

 

Waterfront Line rail service will be suspended between Tower City and South Harbor (Muny Lot) for track and maintenance work starting Monday, October 5, 2009 through Saturday, October 24, 2009.

 

Monday through Friday, riders traveling to/from North Coast Station or Muny Lot should board the #47 Loop bus route on West Roadway at Superior. Passengers wishing to travel to/from Settlers Landing or Flats East Bank should board the B or E Line Trolleys and exit along W 9.

 

On Saturdays and Sundays, a shuttle bus will operate between Tower City/Public Square (in front of Positively Cleveland) and the North Coast Harbor Area (North Coast – E 9 Station, Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, Great Lakes Science Center). The service will operate every 30 minutes between approximately 9:00am and 6:00pm.

 

Regular Waterfront Line Rail service will resume on Sunday, October 25, 2009.

 

RTA regrets any inconvenience to its customers during this time.

 

 

From RTA's "newsroom" posted 9/15:

 

"2009-82, RTA will spend $350,000 of federal stimulus money from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA) of 2009 to rebuild the outbound chute on the Waterfront Line. This is a safety upgrade on the section of track from Tower City to Robert Lockwood Drive. Delta Railroad Construction of Ashtabula will do the work. Four Disadvantaged Business Enterprises will share 11 percent of the project, or $40,500. Work will be scheduled so as not to interfere with Browns’ games."

 

http://www.riderta.com/nu_newsroom_releases.asp?listingid=1344

 

I'm all for rail safety and performance, of course, yet I'm really curious as to how a rail line, opened only 13 years ago, would need such major reconstruction.

Finally a project funded by the Stimulus!  I've been waiting to see some of our share of the pie spent within the City of Cleveland.  While the chutes on the Waterfront Line are hardly glamorous, we'll take what we can get!

Finally a project funded by the Stimulus!  I've been waiting to see some of our share of the pie spent within the City of Cleveland.  While the chutes on the Waterfront Line are hardly glamorous, we'll take what we can get!

 

Sorry for taking this off-topic, but Cleburger, since this seems to be your "thing", why don't you take a look at this website for a detailed list of ARRA projects in Cleveland.  Also, notice how dark the green in Cuyahoga County is compared to the rest of the state. I don't think we here in Northeast Ohio have much room to complain.

http://www.recovery.org/for_businesses.aspx?gloc=Ohio*OH&mloc=OH

 

And if you're more of a visual learner, the official Recovery.gov website has a pretty map you can zoom in and look at each project at street-level, with some astoundingly informative info available about each recepient:

http://www.recovery.gov/transparency/pages/home.aspx?State=OH

^ I am puzzled by the word "finally". RTA broke ground in May for the stimulus-funded renovation at Puritas, and there have been several major events since then.

Finally a project funded by the Stimulus!  I've been waiting to see some of our share of the pie spent within the City of Cleveland.  While the chutes on the Waterfront Line are hardly glamorous, we'll take what we can get!

 

Sorry for taking this off-topic, but Cleburger, since this seems to be your "thing", why don't you take a look at this website for a detailed list of ARRA projects in Cleveland.  Also, notice how dark the green in Cuyahoga County is compared to the rest of the state. I don't think we here in Northeast Ohio have much room to complain.

http://www.recovery.org/for_businesses.aspx?gloc=Ohio*OH&mloc=OH

 

And if you're more of a visual learner, the official Recovery.gov website has a pretty map you can zoom in and look at each project at street-level, with some astoundingly informative info available about each recepient:

http://www.recovery.gov/transparency/pages/home.aspx?State=OH

 

Thanks brtshrcegr you're a great help!  :roll:

 

Speaking of "visual learners," if you go in and look at the "dark green" Cuyahoga County, you'll see only 12 of the 82 projects mentioned have actually been awarded, with the others in various stages of proposal, bidding, etc. As we've all learned from ODOT over the past couple years, the government can say it's coming, but it can also taketh away.

 

I'm not being negative--just want to know what others have found.  Also want to encourage others to stay in contact with their elected representatives to make sure we get our cut.

Just last week, I observed a couple of people at the W 117th stop who got on the redline westbound without paying.  I could tell because the guys both had money out and tried to get the driver's attention at the window, but she ignored him as she was operating the train.  He said something to the other guy about well, I guess that's that and the guy agreed and they put their money away.  They weren't together and got off at different stations.  The girl riding next to me asked me if I had EVER seen any transit police on the redline checking tickets since the POP system was put in place and I said no, but I had seen them once on the platform at W 25th and that I assumed they couldn't be everywhere at once. She then went on the typical rant about how much $ RTA is probably losing with all the people riding for free now since you don't need to swipe a ticket to get out anywhere except tower city.  I was really beat and going on about 2 hours of sleep and didn't feel like getting into an argument with her to explain how little of RTA's revenue comes from fares.  I thought about calling the transit police but by the time they got anywhere, both guys would have been off the train so I didn't see the point.

 

This morning at Brookpark there were like 6 transit police checking tickets before they'd let you board, plus a dog.  I was certainly happy to see them checking, however, isn't 6 transit police plus a dog a little bit of overkill?  Couldn't those resources be spread out?  I can understand wanting someone as backup and not wanting to send someone out alone  (though I think the guy with the dog could be alone), but I just think there were enough police there for at least 4 stops - 2 at each stop, maybe another guy at another stop by himself with the dog? 

 

There also seem to be like 7 or 8 transit police at the Tower City exit.  We already have forced accountability to leave there, as well as someone who can check your pass and get you through the line another way if your pass doesn't work, so why are all those police necessary?

Just last week, I observed a couple of people at the W 117th stop who got on the redline westbound without paying.  I could tell because the guys both had money out and tried to get the driver's attention at the window, but she ignored him as she was operating the train.  He said something to the other guy about well, I guess that's that and the guy agreed and they put their money away.  They weren't together and got off at different stations.  The girl riding next to me asked me if I had EVER seen any transit police on the redline checking tickets since the POP system was put in place and I said no, but I had seen them once on the platform at W 25th and that I assumed they couldn't be everywhere at once. She then went on the typical rant about how much $ RTA is probably losing with all the people riding for free now since you don't need to swipe a ticket to get out anywhere except tower city.  I was really beat and going on about 2 hours of sleep and didn't feel like getting into an argument with her to explain how little of RTA's revenue comes from fares.  I thought about calling the transit police but by the time they got anywhere, both guys would have been off the train so I didn't see the point.

 

This morning at Brookpark there were like 6 transit police checking tickets before they'd let you board, plus a dog.  I was certainly happy to see them checking, however, isn't 6 transit police plus a dog a little bit of overkill?  Couldn't those resources be spread out?  I can understand wanting someone as backup and not wanting to send someone out alone  (though I think the guy with the dog could be alone), but I just think there were enough police there for at least 4 stops - 2 at each stop, maybe another guy at another stop by himself with the dog? 

 

There also seem to be like 7 or 8 transit police at the Tower City exit.  We already have forced accountability to leave there, as well as someone who can check your pass and get you through the line another way if your pass doesn't work, so why are all those police necessary?

 

It's possible they could have been on shifts and that the six were starting out at BrookPark.  Jerry any word as to how they police are assigned, IF you publicly speak on security issues.

Just last week, I observed a couple of people at the W 117th stop who got on the redline westbound without paying. I could tell because the guys both had money out and tried to get the driver's attention at the window, but she ignored him as she was operating the train. He said something to the other guy about well, I guess that's that and the guy agreed and they put their money away. They weren't together and got off at different stations. The girl riding next to me asked me if I had EVER seen any transit police on the redline checking tickets since the POP system was put in place and I said no, but I had seen them once on the platform at W 25th and that I assumed they couldn't be everywhere at once. She then went on the typical rant about how much $ RTA is probably losing with all the people riding for free now since you don't need to swipe a ticket to get out anywhere except tower city. I was really beat and going on about 2 hours of sleep and didn't feel like getting into an argument with her to explain how little of RTA's revenue comes from fares. I thought about calling the transit police but by the time they got anywhere, both guys would have been off the train so I didn't see the point.

 

This morning at Brookpark there were like 6 transit police checking tickets before they'd let you board, plus a dog. I was certainly happy to see them checking, however, isn't 6 transit police plus a dog a little bit of overkill? Couldn't those resources be spread out? I can understand wanting someone as backup and not wanting to send someone out alone (though I think the guy with the dog could be alone), but I just think there were enough police there for at least 4 stops - 2 at each stop, maybe another guy at another stop by himself with the dog?

 

There also seem to be like 7 or 8 transit police at the Tower City exit. We already have forced accountability to leave there, as well as someone who can check your pass and get you through the line another way if your pass doesn't work, so why are all those police necessary?

 

Wow, that does sound like overkill.  They only work in pairs on the Healthline.

It's possible they could have been on shifts and that the six were starting out at BrookPark. Jerry any word as to how they police are assigned, IF you publicly speak on security issues.

 

If that were true, the others would have been getting on trains or something.  They were all standing at the top of the ramp in a bunch, like the Gestapo wanting to see your papers.

It's possible they could have been on shifts and that the six were starting out at BrookPark.  Jerry any word as to how they police are assigned, IF you publicly speak on security issues.

 

If that were true, the others would have been getting on trains or something.  They were all standing at the top of the ramp in a bunch, like the Gestapo wanting to see your papers.

Humm?  As DocBroc states, I thought they would be in pairs.    Hopefully Jerry can speak on transit patrol assignments

RnR, when I boarded @ 7:30 there were only 4 so it could be like MTS said and that they were spreading out.  Or it could have been an overlap in their shifts.  Also, I think I have only seen at most 4 at TC checking people.

I know that RTA has been installing the newer shelters all over but is there a reason that the shelter at West 14th and Kenilworth was removed and not replaced yet? Combined with the royally screwed up schedule that the #81 has (it now goes all the way from Tremont to Lakeview Terrace - more than doubling the usual commute time from Tremont to downtown), I know of quite a few people who are considering giving up on RTA for their commute.

I know that RTA has been installing the newer shelters all over but is there a reason that the shelter at West 14th and Kenilworth was removed and not replaced yet? Combined with the royally screwed up schedule that the #81 has (it now goes all the way from Tremont to Lakeview Terrace - more than doubling the usual commute time from Tremont to downtown), I know of quite a few people who are considering giving up on RTA for their commute.

 

I'll add another question so Jerry can get 'em all at once.  The #9 route for EB from downtown still involves turning right from St. Clair onto E. 13th, then right on Superior, left on E. 12th, left on Chester, then right on E. 17th, correct?  This morning I happened to be running on the schedule of the #9 (so I decided to try to catch it), when the bus blew through the light at E. 13th and Superior and continued on E. 13th to turn left on Chester.  Obviously, I didn't catch the bus since I was walking to the stop at the time it careened down E. 13th (where I don't think it should've been).  Essentially, it skipped the entire Superior-E.12th-Chester loop.  That may potentially explain my problems following the August scheduler/driver change in not being able to catch the bus at E. 12th and Chester.  Any clarification would be greatly appreciated :).

This is Jerry's Tuesday....

 

I noticed someone mentioned this above.  I also wanted to chime in about the police in Tower City.  Are they standing around in order to help people insert their credit card into the vending machines?  That seems like a waste of valuable time for them.  Maybe they should be on-board the trains and buses instead.  I took the train to the airport last week and counted 4 police officers standing around the vending machines, presumably waiting for someone to have a problem with the new machines.  Interesting.

I know that RTA has been installing the newer shelters all over but is there a reason that the shelter at West 14th and Kenilworth was removed and not replaced yet? Combined with the royally screwed up schedule that the #81 has (it now goes all the way from Tremont to Lakeview Terrace - more than doubling the usual commute time from Tremont to downtown), I know of quite a few people who are considering giving up on RTA for their commute.

 

this stop is actually in the area of phase I of the Transit Waiting Environment (TWE) grants that were made last year.  i don't know where RTA and the local sponsor are with respect to starting/finishing this particular location, but if it was recently removed, my guess it is in anticipation of a new shelter, benches, scheduling info, trash can, and other TWE elements being installed at that location.

^Good to know, but also one of those many many many cases in Cleveland where it would be in RTA's (or whoever is responsible) best interest to put up some nominal "Site of the future ______!" signage.

As an update, there were 3 transit police on my redline westbound train.  They checked a kid who didn't have a valid pass, gave him some kind of lecture and made him get off at the next stop; had they stopped him before he boarded IMO that would have made more sense, but whatever.  Then another guy got on but the cop at the front of the train didn't ask for his pass. Then 2 stops later all 3 of them got off and were checking people's passes as they left. This was a little silly because everyone except the student, who was gone, the other guy I saw and maybe 1 other person were all people who got on at Tower City and of course you have to have a pass there, but whatever, I suppose it gets people into realizing that they are checking passes.

 

At Brookpark, there were, again, 3 transit police (different people).  One guy as you got off the train, who was telling you to get your pass out because the other 2 people were going to be checking your pass (they were a few feet away down the ramp).  As I showed my pass, I said to the two at the bottom of the ramp that I appreciated them checking people's passes, but perhaps 3 transit police is a little bit of overkill.  At least there wasn't a dog.

Do transit police walk around checking passes in cities like Chicago or NYC?  Don't the turnstiles at transit stations prevent people from just leisurely walking onto the trains without paying?  Perhaps a long-term solution for RTA would be to install similar turnstiles that only let you through with a valid pass (swipe it on you're allowed to pass through.)  Having armed transit patrolmen check each train seems a little wasteful.

Do transit police walk around checking passes in cities like Chicago or NYC?  Don't the turnstiles at transit stations prevent people from just leisurely walking onto the trains without paying?  Perhaps a long-term solution for RTA would be to install similar turnstiles that only let you through with a valid pass (swipe it on you're allowed to pass through.)  Having armed transit patrolmen check each train seems a little wasteful.

 

yes, that would be the solution, but have you read anything on RTA's website?

Do transit police walk around checking passes in cities like Chicago or NYC?  Don't the turnstiles at transit stations prevent people from just leisurely walking onto the trains without paying?  Perhaps a long-term solution for RTA would be to install similar turnstiles that only let you through with a valid pass (swipe it on you're allowed to pass through.)  Having armed transit patrolmen check each train seems a little wasteful.

 

As discussed earlier in this thread, RTA has implemented a different type of fare collection system from NYC or Chicago.  So no, there are no checks for passes in those cities (and there would be no easily verifiable paper trail proving fare was paid); but on the other hand, unlike those cities, RTA does not need to buy and maintain turnstiles or pay booth attendants at every stop to sit around for most of the day, but instead pays a large staff of transit cops who can not only check fare compliance, but who also patrol and keep the system safe.  Given the nominal importance of fare revenue to the system's operation, I bet lots of folks are OK with this arrangement if they understand it.  Though R&R's deployment observations certainly raise some questions.

Yesterday, I witnessed someone on a bus pitching trash out of the window. I hope the transit police caught that one.

Yesterday, I witnessed someone on a bus pitching trash out of the window. I hope the transit police caught that one.

 

I have a question and for christsakes im not picking on you.  You say you witnessed this,  did you note the bus, time and approximate location and contact RTA or Jerry?

Do transit police walk around checking passes in cities like Chicago or NYC?  Don't the turnstiles at transit stations prevent people from just leisurely walking onto the trains without paying?  Perhaps a long-term solution for RTA would be to install similar turnstiles that only let you through with a valid pass (swipe it on you're allowed to pass through.)  Having armed transit patrolmen check each train seems a little wasteful.

 

As discussed earlier in this thread, RTA has implemented a different type of fare collection system from NYC or Chicago.  So no, there are no checks for passes in those cities (and there would be no easily verifiable paper trail proving fare was paid); but on the other hand, unlike those cities, RTA does not need to buy and maintain turnstiles or pay booth attendants at every stop to sit around for most of the day, but instead pays a large staff of transit cops who can not only check fare compliance, but who also patrol and keep the system safe.  Given the nominal importance of fare revenue to the system's operation, I bet lots of folks are OK with this arrangement if they understand it.  Though R&R's deployment observations certainly raise some questions.

 

I won't keep doing this every day, just wanted to make sure it wasn't an anomaly.  This morning in TC there were 3 transit cops at the turnstyles, the person who assists those with ticket problems on the inside of the turnstyles, and 2 more transit police observed hanging out at the center/information console.  I don't know how many, if any, are on the green/blue line side.  I just think this is an awful lot of people.  The argument about peackeeping doesn't really seem relevant since they never patrolled for peacekeeping purposes prior to the POP system implementation, so they must be there to check passes, but the turnstiles take care of this at TC.  I could see 2 officers, but 5?  And why do they stand so menacingly on the other side of the turnstiles, almost blocking your way?  It's not a very welcoming vibe to come into, and this is the line where people potentially are coming in from the airport.  Stand to the side until and unless you need to intervene, I think.

Do transit police walk around checking passes in cities like Chicago or NYC? 

Chicago and NY, no, but they do in Vienna, and several other places in Europe. The system works very well there. If RTA can get the vending machines working right, get cops onto the trains rather than checking at the stops, and people get used to it, it will work better than the way things used to.

 

Seriously though, the cops at TC need to be on the trains, not at the station. The only way that this system works better than what we had is for people to be held up looking for their pass while already on the way on the train/BRT. If you're holding people up at a station whether getting on or off, than you're defeating all the advantages of proof of purchase.

Do transit police walk around checking passes in cities like Chicago or NYC?

Chicago and NY, no, but they do in Vienna, and several other places in Europe. The system works very well there. If RTA can get the vending machines working right, get cops onto the trains rather than checking at the stops, and people get used to it, it will work better than the way things used to.

 

Seriously though, the cops at TC need to be on the trains, not at the station. The only way that this system works better than what we had is for people to be held up looking for their pass while already on the way on the train/BRT. If you're holding people up at a station whether getting on or off, than you're defeating all the advantages of proof of purchase.

 

I don't really understand why there is such a big difference between the rapid and the Healthline with regards to the POP.  On the healthline, they check your pass while you're sitting on the bus (unless you're getting on the bus where the transit cops happen to be waiting for one too - then they just usually ask to see it while you wait).  The cops then get off at another stop and wait for the next bus to come. 

Aren't there some extra part-time RTA interns who could be hanging out near the vending machines showing grandma and grandpa how to insert their credit card?  It seems like overkill to have RTA cops wasting their valuable time there when they could be on the trains and buses checking passes and taking care of the thugs.

I don't really understand why there is such a big difference between the rapid and the Healthline with regards to the POP. On the healthline, they check your pass while you're sitting on the bus (unless you're getting on the bus where the transit cops happen to be waiting for one too - then they just usually ask to see it while you wait). The cops then get off at another stop and wait for the next bus to come.

 

I've been checked like this on the rapid, too, but not for a while now.

A #9 bus and a car went squish on Euclid during the afternoon rush.  Either the car turned left into the bus (which I've seen almost happen A LOT while on the bus on Euclid), or the bus ran the light when the car was trying to turn.  Not sure which.

A #9 bus and a car went squish on Euclid during the afternoon rush.  Either the car turned left into the bus (which I've seen almost happen A LOT while on the bus on Euclid), or the bus ran the light when the car was trying to turn.  Not sure which.

 

You and the No. 9 bus! Girlfriend!  Child you need to ride the 3 or 4.

So did a whole bunch of people jump on the bus right after the crash and start faking neck and other soft-tissue injuries?

 

Hey, it could have been worse......

 

First off, it wasn't my bus :-P.  It was an EB bus, and I was going WB.  And, secondly, I didn't actually see it happen, just the aftermath.  But people do that sh!t all the time on Euclid cause they can't grasp the concept of a left turn signal or a no left turn sign.  I tend to sit on the right hand side of the bus if I can cause I like to be able to see out the windshield, and I cannot tell you how many times I've looked out the window to get startled by a stupid driver practically turning into the bus.  I really don't get why the road markings are so hard to follow, but whatever I guess. 

I'm pretty sure they're the same people that stop at empty traffic circles.

Oh lord, this should be interesting:

 

RTA to install an audible system on buses to warn pedestrians at crosswalks

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio - Pedestrians at crosswalks will soon be told to watch out for an RTA bus -- a warning from the bus itself.

 

"Caution, bus turning, pedestrians look both ways, look both ways," is the phrase that will emanate from stereo speakers inside and outside the bus. The vocal alert system, the first in the country, will be installed in all buses by next spring, RTA officials told board members at a committee meeting Tuesday.

 

For the rest of the article, see http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/10/rta_to_install_an_audible_syst.html

Brilliant.  Just f-in brilliant.  Here's an idea- how about they train the bus drivers to look out for and yield to pedestrians instead of giving us this sort of nonsense.

This is overkill. Buses have been making turns in downtown Cleveland for more than 80 years. Why are these suddenly needed? The horn-honking, turn-indicator beeping and now the talking is noise pollution and should be subject to local laws.

 

C'mon RTA. I'm your biggest fan and a huge supporter of making transit and walking safer. But this is going beyond common sense. When you're so afraid of pedestrians' lawyers or the Amalgamated Transit Union Local 268 that you can't tell them you're going to implement driver training programs, then you deserve all the public backlash you're going to get.

but at least the beeping buses are going away.  plus, these new speakers have focused sound projection, automatic ambient noise detection, and only activate when the wheel is turned 45 degrees - so no noises when lane changing, or waiting at a light with the turn signal on.

 

there should actually be a significant reduction in noise - at least from the current set up.

^^I don't feel so bad about my outrage at this series of bumbling moves made by RTA following the pedestrian fatality since KJP is up in arms about it.  Way to shift the blame to pedestrians yet again RTA...

OMG this is RIDIC.  Can we be more of an embarrassment? Maybe they could say, "Danger, Will Robinson!" and push you out of the way with mechanical arms.

but at least the beeping buses are going away.  plus, these new speakers have focused sound projection, automatic ambient noise detection, and only activate when the wheel is turned 45 degrees - so no noises when lane changing, or waiting at a light with the turn signal on.

 

there should actually be a significant reduction in noise - at least from the current set up.

 

I have to agree this will make my ears bleed less than the current beeping (especially the new articulated buses that let out a high-pitched beep-beep-beep-beep-beep! rather than the wee-ooos).  I just really don't see how any of this helps much in general as some of the bus drivers take turns so fast that by the time a pedestrian hears this magical turning voice, it'll be too late for them to avoid becoming a road pancake.

 

And unrelated, some of the Novabuses (9900-2100 series) are getting paint jobs to match the newer buses. 

We know this decision isn't a knee-jerk reaction to a pedestrian accident, like the "beeping" that RTA implemented shortly after the bus mowed down the pedestrian in Public Square.  But that makes this decision all the more bizarre; that it was carefully planned and a ton of money was spent on something so wasteful.

 

I can just imagine the meeting in the RTA conference room... "Well, how do we spend this extra stimulus cash?"  Silence.  Intern in the corner starts to laugh, "Let's make the buses talk!" RTA folks don't get the joke, touch their chin with their index finger and declare... "That would be innovative!"

 

Man, oh man.

you knew I was going to say this, for those that that have an issue with this, have you contacted RTA?  Your city council person?

 

This is going to be a larger issue in the city vs. the 'burbs.  If this is installed on the Shaker Rapid, I'll lose it! 

 

 

The ultimate hilarity will be when the outside pedestrian warning voices are more natural and clearer than the inside station/stop calling voice.

The ultimate hilarity will be when the outside pedestrian warning voices are more natural and clearer than the inside station/stop calling voice.

 

I was kinda hoping for something Darth Vader-esque!

I think William Shatner should record the voice!  There should be a little extra stimulus money to pay him a royalty.

I think the robot lady from the rapid should record it. She should be done with the warning when the bus is like 1000 feet down the road past the turn.

Caution, bus turning, pedestrians look both ways, look both ways..

 

Isn't "look both ways" technically incorrect? As a pedestrian, if you only look left and right, you're likely to miss a bus that's coming around the corner at you. Isn't this the source of the problem to begin with?

 

you knew I was going to say this, for those that that have an issue with this, have you contacted RTA? 

Well since Jerry frequents this thread, technically yes, we've all told RTA.