<< Is the 47 loop bus going to be discontinued? >>

 

Not at this time. Let's wait and see how things pan out before starting that discussion.

So RTA is hoping that a bunch of downtown workers have their bus passes paid for by work and so will choose to continue taking the 47 instead of, god forbid, walking a block to catch a trolley. Good for RTA I guess.

<< So RTA is hoping that a bunch of downtown workers have their bus passes paid for by work and so will choose to continue taking the 47 instead of, god forbid, walking a block to catch a trolley. Good for RTA I guess. >>

 

To judge the worth of a service before the first day of trolley service....would be illogical.

<< Is the 47 loop bus going to be discontinued? >>

 

Not at this time. Let's wait and see how things pan out before starting that discussion.

So RTA is hoping that a bunch of downtown workers have their bus passes paid for by work and so will choose to continue taking the 47 instead of, god forbid, walking a block to catch a trolley. Good for RTA I guess.

 

Well, have you seen the list of companies that participate in the Commuter Advantage program (a pre-tax payroll deduction program that does not constitute "having their bus passes paid for by work")? It reads like a who's who of downtown employers.

 

http://www.riderta.com/commuteradvantage/participants.asp

^I'm well aware of the program, I'm not disagreeing with your taking advantage of it. Whatever keeps the busses running.

The routes were designed to meet what is perceived as the greatest need for visitors who stay at hotels and locals who also use attractions.

 

Keeping the C Line on Euclid does not meet its goals. The route was developed with input from a lot of civic leaders, including DCA and the tourism business.

 

When traffic is gridlocked after Gateway events, people will not use the trolleys and walk. Why? The trolleys exist as pedestrian accelerators. If they aren't faster than walking, their basis for attracting of ridership is undermined.

 

To judge the worth of a service before the first day of trolley service....would be illogical.

 

No need to get to defensive. Consider this: the people on this forum are some of your most informed stakeholders because they are regular transit riders and are  educated on urban/transit issues (some are urban planning students, some work in the field). Because they are regular transit users, they know more about what works in practice than perhaps anyone at the DCA, or at a downtown hotel, or at Cleveland+ and others who were asked for input. Why is their pre-service startup input more logical than the input that is being provided here and now?

The L-Line does not make sense to me.  Why not just make the Waterfront Line service from TC to the Muni lots free?  Seems like a duplication of service.

 

because the corridor that the WL covers is empty.  while the corridor for the bus is filled with places to get on and get off, i.e. destinations.

 

the L line hits the casino, the convention center and lakefront, all would be door to door service, not an additional 2-5 minute walk from the station like the WL would be.

 

this point out the advantage of being on the street.

 

hopefully this can lead to a Real streetcar system for this area.

The L-Line does not make sense to me.  Why not just make the Waterfront Line service from TC to the Muni lots free?  Seems like a duplication of service. 

 

Just because the two routes have the same endpoint doesn't make them the same route.

 

EDIT: Sorry, forgot to refresh and didn't see biker16's response.

<<The L-Line does not make sense to me.  Why not just make the Waterfront Line service from TC to the Muni lots free?  Seems like a duplication of service. >>

 

Take a closer look at the destinations, including the hotels. The Waterfront Line is a continuation of the Blue/Green Line, with paying customers, so no, it cannot be free.

 

 

Then how does Pittsburgh deal with their fare free zone?  Seems like the service area would be similar.

 

The L-Line does not make sense to me.  Why not just make the Waterfront Line service from TC to the Muni lots free?  Seems like a duplication of service.

 

because the corridor that the WL covers is empty.  while the corridor for the bus is filled with places to get on and get off, i.e. destinations.

 

the L line hits the casino, the convention center and lakefront, all would be door to door service, not an additional 2-5 minute walk from the station like the WL would be.

 

this point out the advantage of being on the street.

 

hopefully this can lead to a Real streetcar system for this area.

 

While this is true in the current iteration of the flats, the FEB should be coming online soon.  When that happens there will be destinations right along the line. 

 

You could say the same thing about the L-Line right now, both end points have attractions and nothing in between. 

 

Convention Center - not open   

Westin Cleveland - not open

 

The Marriott is on the L-Line route, but the Renaissance and Ritz are attached to TC.

 

If we are building routes based on door to door service then just create a DT taxi cab network.  Although if this is the first step towards a true streetcar then I will take all this back.  Right now though it seems superfluous.

 

 

 

We have the Waterfront Line vastly underused, I believe that making better use of the service would be of more use to visitors and Clevelanders alike.  I'm sure the trolly service will be used, however it is my belief that it is not the highest and best use for those funds.  A connection to Ohio City would provide more opportunities.

<<The L-Line does not make sense to me.  Why not just make the Waterfront Line service from TC to the Muni lots free?  Seems like a duplication of service. >>

 

Take a closer look at the destinations, including the hotels. The Waterfront Line is a continuation of the Blue/Green Line, with paying customers, so no, it cannot be free.

 

 

Then how does Pittsburgh deal with their fare free zone?  Seems like the service area would be similar.

 

The L-Line does not make sense to me.  Why not just make the Waterfront Line service from TC to the Muni lots free?  Seems like a duplication of service.

 

because the corridor that the WL covers is empty.  while the corridor for the bus is filled with places to get on and get off, i.e. destinations.

 

the L line hits the casino, the convention center and lakefront, all would be door to door service, not an additional 2-5 minute walk from the station like the WL would be.

 

this point out the advantage of being on the street.

 

hopefully this can lead to a Real streetcar system for this area.

 

While this is true in the current iteration of the flats, the FEB should be coming online soon.  When that happens there will be destinations right along the line. 

 

You could say the same thing about the L-Line right now, both end points have attractions and nothing in between. 

 

Convention Center - not open   

Westin Cleveland - not open

 

The Marriott is on the L-Line route, but the Renaissance and Ritz are attached to TC.

 

 

 

We have the Waterfront Line vastly underused, I believe that making better use of the service would be of more use to visitors and Clevelanders alike.  I'm sure the trolly service will be used, however it is my belief that it is not the highest and best use for those funds.  A connection to Ohio City would provide more opportunities.

 

Then where does it stop?  If you include Ohio City, then I think you'll need to include Asian Village and who pays for all this?

Great to see except I will have to start running more :D Part of my exercise is walking from home to Constantinos/Studio Palmieri/restaurants in WHD. This will be great for tourists but especially good for downtown residents and workers.

<<The L-Line does not make sense to me.  Why not just make the Waterfront Line service from TC to the Muni lots free?  Seems like a duplication of service. >>

 

Take a closer look at the destinations, including the hotels. The Waterfront Line is a continuation of the Blue/Green Line, with paying customers, so no, it cannot be free.

 

 

Then how does Pittsburgh deal with their fare free zone?  Seems like the service area would be similar.

 

It's very similar. The Downtown/North Shore portion of Pittsburgh's LRT system is at an extremity of the city's paid LRT system, just like Cleveland's is at an extremity of its LRT system. There is no continuation of the LRT (paid or otherwise) on the other side of Pittsburgh's Downtown/North Shore section, just as there is continuation of Cleveland LRT on the other side of its Waterfront portion.

 

There are only two differences with Pittsburgh's LRT versus Cleveland's. One is that there is an intersecting rail system in Cleveland -- the Red Line at Tower City. But this doesn't present a problem because it's POP and you have to pay to get on the Red Line. So you will have already paid your fare and had to pass through Tower City's staffed turnstiles to get to the Waterfront Line's entrance.

 

The other difference is that Pittsburgh's LRT fare collections are done in the exact opposite direction as Cleveland's. In Pittsburgh, fares are paid as the rider boards when heading toward Downtown or when exiting the train as it heads outbound away from Downtown Pittsburgh. Cleveland's LRT fares are collected when you exit the train inbound, and when you board the train outbound. This could be simplified greatly if the Blue/Green Lines were included in the Rapid Transit POP system, and they may well be when the entire rail system's fleet is replaced using an identical railcar type.

 

I'm sure RTA can find a very doable way to implement a fare-free zone on the Waterfront Line if they wanted to.

<<The L-Line does not make sense to me.  Why not just make the Waterfront Line service from TC to the Muni lots free?  Seems like a duplication of service. >>

 

Take a closer look at the destinations, including the hotels. The Waterfront Line is a continuation of the Blue/Green Line, with paying customers, so no, it cannot be free.

 

 

The WL is greater than 2000 feet from the rock hall and Science Center. And far more than 2000 feet from the stclair entrance to the MMCC.    there is another disadvantage because the line is below grade visitors do not know it exists, furthermore the frequency of service of the trolley is 10 mins a pace the Cleveland's LRT simply cannot match, TC simply is not set up to handle round trips from the WL to TC for extended periods of time.

 

I think this is a great idea, and I will give Rta an A for collaborating with the DCA and other stakeholders to gt this done.  This is an example of strong public private partnership I hope can be a model for other areas of town.

 

Then how does Pittsburgh deal with their fare free zone?  Seems like the service area would be similar.

 

The L-Line does not make sense to me.  Why not just make the Waterfront Line service from TC to the Muni lots free?  Seems like a duplication of service.

 

because the corridor that the WL covers is empty.  while the corridor for the bus is filled with places to get on and get off, i.e. destinations.

 

the L line hits the casino, the convention center and lakefront, all would be door to door service, not an additional 2-5 minute walk from the station like the WL would be.

 

this point out the advantage of being on the street.

 

hopefully this can lead to a Real streetcar system for this area.

 

While this is true in the current iteration of the flats, the FEB should be coming online soon.  When that happens there will be destinations right along the line. 

 

You could say the same thing about the L-Line right now, both end points have attractions and nothing in between. 

 

Convention Center - not open   

Westin Cleveland - not open

 

The Marriott is on the L-Line route, but the Renaissance and Ritz are attached to TC.

 

 

 

We have the Waterfront Line vastly underused, I believe that making better use of the service would be of more use to visitors and Clevelanders alike.  I'm sure the trolly service will be used, however it is my belief that it is not the highest and best use for those funds.  A connection to Ohio City would provide more opportunities.

 

Then where does it stop?  If you include Ohio City, then I think you'll need to include Asian Village and who pays for all this?

I think this is a net positive for downtown Cleveland and RTA. These new routes will be especially useful come January and February!

The L-Line does not make sense to me.  Why not just make the Waterfront Line service from TC to the Muni lots free?  Seems like a duplication of service.

 

because the corridor that the WL covers is empty.  while the corridor for the bus is filled with places to get on and get off, i.e. destinations.

 

the L line hits the casino, the convention center and lakefront, all would be door to door service, not an additional 2-5 minute walk from the station like the WL would be.

 

this point out the advantage of being on the street.

 

hopefully this can lead to a Real streetcar system for this area.

 

I don’t buy this thinking.  In the late 90s to early 2000, I used frequently travel to North Point for biz purposes, and would intersperse riding the WL with the 247 Loop bus from Public Sq. especially in the good old days when there WL ran every 15 mins all day (every 12 mins during rush hour).  Yes, the cars were often pretty empty, but the a Loop buses were emptier.  And no, Biker, the bus route didn’t travel pass many destinations to/from Public Sq. where people were clamoring to ride.  It zig-zagged along Lakeside, E. 6th and Public Square, passing City Hall and the often near empty, cavernous Convention Center – destinations that were often close enough to walk to-from Public Square.  And as for the casino, why would someone rather take this zig-zaggy ride to the casino and transfer outside, where the WL Rapid delivers you indoors?  The WL travels it’s route pretty fast as it is.  It would be even faster if RTA did the right thing and, at least, instated POP on the WL portion so that drivers aren’t sitting there holding trains while the count pennies (and nickels and quarters) of individual riders.

 

Also, I don’t get this huge, arduous 2-5 minute walk from the Rock Hall to the North Coast WL stop.  Honestly, I think Clevelanders are creative in thinking up excuses for people to NOT use rapid transit in this town (but will travel to DC, Chicago and elsewhere and walk blocks on end to use theirs); I just don’t get it.  Some people here make it seem like it’s too far of a walk if trains don’t stop right at their bedroom door.

 

Once the Flats East Bank development opens with the planned 10 or so restaurant venues (and hopefully with Phase II apartments soon thereafter), it will make the WL even more viable – but knowing our “planners” we’ll probably run buses and rubber-tired trolleys down to the FEB to “compete” with the WL there as well.

 

 

 

I like the payment system on the shaker lines far better than the POP system on the Red Line. It doesn't really get backed up at all in my experience. Most people already have a ticket and just scan it. Also, the Shaker Lines have been extremely on time lately. It also prevents people from getting free rides.

I think this is a net positive for downtown Cleveland and RTA. These new routes will be especially useful come January and February!

 

I agree. The big benefit will be the C Route as it represents the most significant new addition. I think residents will especially like it on evenings and weekends. The existing trolleys do a good job for existing downtown office workers.

When the first major office tenant of Flats East Bank opens in April or May 2013, the Waterfront Line will begin operating again, seven days a week.

:-D :clap: :-D :clap:  I am so happy to hear someone from within RTA say this.  One question J, It would be so much easier for me taking the Waterfront Line to work since I am at the end of E 9th.  I get on at Green Rd.  Will the Green Rd. trains continue thru TC and onto the WFL?  It seems like when its running for special events that only the Blue Line does this.

^easier to ride the WFL than walk? of course.

 

Faster? Probably not.

 

Easier to ride the WFL than one of the Trolleys? Highly doubtful.

Easier to ride the WFL than one of the Trolleys? Highly doubtful.

 

Unless you're already on the Rapid.

Easier to ride the WFL than one of the Trolleys? Highly doubtful.

 

Unless you're already on the Rapid.

 

Thank you. :)

Super excited about the evening trolley service until 11 PM!  This is going to make it so much easier to go from the WHD to E4th or Playhouse Square for dinner or an event.  It will also be amazingly convenient for events at the Wolstein and quick trips to CSU.  And for visitors, I can't think of a better way to get around downtown.

<< (When the Waterfront Line goes into full service next spring) will the Green Line trains continue thru TC and onto the WFL?  It seems like when its running for special events that only the Blue Line does this. >>

 

When only the Blue Line train goes onto the Waterfront Line, service is every 30 minutes. When both lines proceed on the WFL, service is every 15 minutes.

 

The schedules for next spring are certainly not available now, but I would expect, if the Flats East Bank is "moving and shaking" with offices and other tenants, that 15-minute service would be the norm. That is not a guarantee, just an educated opinion.

The L-Line does not make sense to me.  Why not just make the Waterfront Line service from TC to the Muni lots free?  Seems like a duplication of service.

 

because the corridor that the WL covers is empty.  while the corridor for the bus is filled with places to get on and get off, i.e. destinations.

 

the L line hits the casino, the convention center and lakefront, all would be door to door service, not an additional 2-5 minute walk from the station like the WL would be.

 

this point out the advantage of being on the street.

 

hopefully this can lead to a Real streetcar system for this area.

 

I don’t buy this thinking.  In the late 90s to early 2000, I used frequently travel to North Point for biz purposes, and would intersperse riding the WL with the 247 Loop bus from Public Sq. especially in the good old days when there WL ran every 15 mins all day (every 12 mins during rush hour).  Yes, the cars were often pretty empty, but the a Loop buses were emptier.  And no, Biker, the bus route didn’t travel pass many destinations to/from Public Sq. where people were clamoring to ride.  It zig-zagged along Lakeside, E. 6th and Public Square, passing City Hall and the often near empty, cavernous Convention Center – destinations that were often close enough to walk to-from Public Square.  And as for the casino, why would someone rather take this zig-zaggy ride to the casino and transfer outside, where the WL Rapid delivers you indoors?  The WL travels it’s route pretty fast as it is.  It would be even faster if RTA did the right thing and, at least, instated POP on the WL portion so that drivers aren’t sitting there holding trains while the count pennies (and nickels and quarters) of individual riders.

 

Also, I don’t get this huge, arduous 2-5 minute walk from the Rock Hall to the North Coast WL stop.  Honestly, I think Clevelanders are creative in thinking up excuses for people to NOT use rapid transit in this town (but will travel to DC, Chicago and elsewhere and walk blocks on end to use theirs); I just don’t get it.  Some people here make it seem like it’s too far of a walk if trains don’t stop right at their bedroom door.

 

Once the Flats East Bank development opens with the planned 10 or so restaurant venues (and hopefully with Phase II apartments soon thereafter), it will make the WL even more viable – but knowing our “planners” we’ll probably run buses and rubber-tired trolleys down to the FEB to “compete” with the WL there as well.

 

As soon as we come to grips with the fact the waterfront line was not what it was sold to be.  the honest truth you are trying to force a square peg through a round hole.  the ridership numbers prove it.  the stop at East 9th is nightmare,  the side walks on the bridge are too narrow, and dumps you out onto a very busy roadway.  now in the future "IF" the intermodal center is and can connect the line directly to the mall then you will have a point.

 

I love Rail everyone knows this but to argue about the WL vs the trolleys, which right now carry over 1 million people per year vs the 600,000 per year the line garnered from 2000-2008, at a cost of $75 million dollars and 675,000 per year to run when it was being operated.  even when it's not being haevily used it cost $300,000 to maintain.

 

look at these maps and tell me which would have the greatest impact on Downtown?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

^Here, Here. Amen and such.

now if this is successful then we can make a better case for this

 

 

Start with the Current trolley network.

 

establish a starter loop network to cover MMCC, CSU,playhouse Square, Lower prospect, tower City, and warehous district.

2.59 miles

 

phase II

Market Square Connection: 3.1 miles would provide a HQ surface connection From Downtown to Market Square with potential direct Service from market Square to MMCC, CSU,playhouse Square, Lower prospect, tower City, and warehouse district.

 

 

Phase III

split the route to decrease travel time.

 

North Extension:  would be 1.09 miles to replace the B line improve service to lakeside ave

South Extension: would be .66 miles to improve service to CSU nine-twelvedistrict.

 

 

system totals: 7.44 miles 

 

Requires 6 vehicles with 2 for spare.

 

7 minute intervals peak (6 vehicles)  13 minute intervals for single vheicles on each route (3 vehicles) and bare bones service at 25 minute intervals  (single vehicle) from Market Square to CSU.

 

We interrupt this debate for breaking news.

 

RTA is planning a ground-breaking ceremony on Wednesday, Sept. 19, for the renovation of the Cedar-University Red Line Rapid Station. It was formerly known as the University Circle Rapid Station. A 24-month construction period will follow. The station and bus terminal will remain open during construction.

 

We now return you to the on-going debate.

Great news! Thanks Jerry.

Jerry,

 

great news about the reinstitution of 7-day service on the Waterfront Line.  Hopefully 15-min, Blue/Green intervals can be had.

 

Thanks for that.

For this to work you have to publicize the Return of the waterfront line service. REALLY publicize, as much as you can!! ;) as we know so many people don't even know we have rapid transit and beyond that, many people I know that use the rapid to get to work have no idea the waterfront line existed/will soon return. All those working at the end of the E. 9th corridor can really benefit from this, on top of the new FEB workers as well as med mart/CC users, especially if a direct connection can be made.

Cuyahoga County Councilman Julian Rogers was at the airport at about 3:30 p.m. today and posted this on his Facebook page.....

 

"long line at the RTA fare machine at CLE. really should have a person here instead of the machine."

 

https://www.facebook.com/julian.rogers.92

 

There are long lines everywhere you go on the RTA...I know they do well with limited resources, but we're desperately under served. I think Cleveland should look at the benefits of fixing everything and providing promo service all day long, m-f... I'm getting tired of relying on it with the 20 min intervals during the day which lead to around a hundred people waiting underneath Tower City to get on the Red Line westbound every time...and don't even get me started on how under served the west side is and the sights and sounds of waiting 20 minutes under Tower City (they really should market the waterfalls as a tourist attraction). Very few of the clocks or next train boards work, and the NextConnect apmis junk. Ugh

 

A tourist trolley is a huge waste of time and money. They need lower intervals on the Red Line, not a tourist trolley to haul fatass lazy tourists The 5 blocks to the Rock n Roll HOF. More E Line service would even be better...just the other day at Playhouse Square The trolley quizzed past a huge waiting crowd bc it was already full. I usually just walk from the Levin College to Public Square to save time.. Ugh, again

Tomorrow at All Aboard Ohio's Cleveland local meeting (ANYONE CAN ATTEND -- it's at 10 a.m., 10th-floor conference room, City Club Building, 850 Euclid Ave) we will be discussing an inventive way to free up some operating dollars for possible capital improvements/expansion. This started as a general discussion at the July meeting, and All Aboard Ohio's office intern has done a lot of very good research and number crunching on this. I don't want to blow his cover here at UO (unless it's OK with him), but he is a poster here and a CSU urban studies student. And I don't want to share his findings publicly yet here at UO until we've had a chance to discuss them tomorrow. Then we'll take the finding/data to RTA, the cities, etc. But you are welcome to attend to provide input tomorrow (meetings are regularly posted at http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,12191.0.html).

 

BTW, supporters of better public transit are encouraged to join All Aboard Ohio -- student dues are $25 for a year. If you join now, we'll carry your membership through 2013. See "pay online" at http://www.allaboardohio.org/

^^eurokie, a couple things to note: based on earlier statements from RTA (via Jerry in this thread), sounds like RTA plans to increase Red Line frequency [15 min headways?] later this year once it's finished with some signal work on the west side.  Also, the downtown trolleys are paid for through corporate fundraising from downtown stakeholders, so those operating costs couldn't be shifted to other service.

Cuyahoga County Councilman Julian Rogers was at the airport at about 3:30 p.m. today and posted this on his Facebook page.....

 

"long line at the RTA fare machine at CLE. really should have a person here instead of the machine."

 

https://www.facebook.com/julian.rogers.92

 

 

I've often said this. If Mr. Cleveland Heights wants to do more than flap his gums, he should come up with some funding solutions.

Way to go Fox8 News....

 

They did a short news segment on their Sunday morning news program moments ago on the RTA's new trolley routes downtown, and showed file footage of Lolley The Trolley -- operating in University Circle, no less! LOL!!

 

Fox8 was either being lazy or just plain too stupid to know the difference.

 

The Invention of Jaywalking

 

^ That video is from RTA's youtube

^^eurokie, a couple things to note: based on earlier statements from RTA (via Jerry in this thread), sounds like RTA plans to increase Red Line frequency [15 min headways?] later this year once it's finished with some signal work on the west side.  Also, the downtown trolleys are paid for through corporate fundraising from downtown stakeholders, so those operating costs couldn't be shifted to other service.

 

Well that would be great, maybe I'll feel more comfortable relying on the Rapid once they do that. 15 min headways is the highest interval generally considered acceptable for comparable LRT-type modes (yes Red Line is diesel).

 

This morning I missed it because I cut it too close/parking was tight and the Rapid was slightly early (at least it's better than the reliability of the HealthLine which is down there next to Ford Pintos and Kayaking Lake Erie) and just gave up and drove downtown. I'm going to just drive and find parking if I'm ever in a real hurry again.

Wow, you're a pretty impatient customer! The Red Line frequency is every 10 minutes during the rush hours http://www.riderta.com/pdf/66.pdf. Maybe I'm just too happy to have as much transit as we have for a stagnant, mid-sized city whose taxbase has been so badly eroded.

 

Maybe we'll all (nationwide) remember these as the good times transit-wise after January, as this nation may not have much transit left regardless of where you live in America.

Wow, you're a pretty impatient customer! The Red Line frequency is every 10 minutes during the rush hours http://www.riderta.com/pdf/66.pdf. Maybe I'm just too happy to have as much transit as we have for a stagnant, mid-sized city whose taxbase has been so badly eroded.

 

Maybe we'll all (nationwide) remember these as the good times transit-wise after January, as this nation may not have much transit left regardless of where you live in America.

 

So true about January but I don't think that's going to happen. I've been in love with RTA until lately, it just seems to be slipping lately. This morning I missed a train around 9:20ish which must be after the rush period.

 

I would never say RTA doesn't do a fantastic job with its limited resources. Most transit agencies can't say that. OKC's is such a worthless black hole for funding that they're creating a separate conservancy-type (ala Friends of Central Park, etc) agency to manage the streetcar system that is about to break ground.

Yes, 9 a.m. is the last of the rush-hour trains. RTA had a similar but more severe problem on the #55/Clifton bus. It's last rush-hour bus was at 9 a.m., so you had a ton of CSU students cramming on board because the next bus wasn't for another hour! Yes, they went from 10-minute headways straight into hourly headways... So RTA added a 9:30 a.m. bus which eased some of the overcrowding.

 

I'd probably want a separate group to manage a streetcar project in Cleveland too. RTA is allergic to building a bare-bones rail expansion, such as with single track, second-hand rail, wood telephone poles for supporting overhead catenary wires, etc. Some streetcar lines were built for $1 million per mile, yet RTA quotes $25 million to $150 million per mile. So that's why I'm interested in some small-scale rail circulator or "Skokie Swift"-type extension projects in the metro area. I've proposed one in the "Transit futures" thread http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,2768.msg639931.html#msg639931. Another could add a single-track extension to the Blue Line out to Tri-C/I-271 -- but by someone else and built with second-hand materials.

I like how in the word RECY<b>CLE</b> the CLE is in white which stands for Cleveland! My girlfriend noticed that.

 

Take another look...

 

 

Did these things ever happen?

I like how in the word RECY<b>CLE</b> the CLE is in white which stands for Cleveland! My girlfriend noticed that.

 

Take another look...

 

 

Did these things ever happen?

 

I did some checking on either side of the quote you posted, just to get some background and context, and this isn't/never was an RTA project. From the City Planning Commission minutes at the time:

 

DF 2010-030:  Downtown Cleveland, Recycling Bins, Wards 3 and 8.  Project representatives:  Greg Peckham, Cleveland Public Art; Justin Glanville, ParkWorks.

 

So, you might want to direct the questions to those respective agencies. They recently merged operations to form the organization now known as LAND studio: http://www.land-studio.org/

Yes, 9 a.m. is the last of the rush-hour trains. RTA had a similar but more severe problem on the #55/Clifton bus. It's last rush-hour bus was at 9 a.m., so you had a ton of CSU students cramming on board because the next bus wasn't for another hour! Yes, they went from 10-minute headways straight into hourly headways... So RTA added a 9:30 a.m. bus which eased some of the overcrowding.

 

I'd probably want a separate group to manage a streetcar project in Cleveland too. RTA is allergic to building a bare-bones rail expansion, such as with single track, second-hand rail, wood telephone poles for supporting overhead catenary wires, etc. Some streetcar lines were built for $1 million per mile, yet RTA quotes $25 million to $150 million per mile. So that's why I'm interested in some small-scale rail circulator or "Skokie Swift"-type extension projects in the metro area. I've proposed one in the "Transit futures" thread http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,2768.msg639931.html#msg639931. Another could add a single-track extension to the Blue Line out to Tri-C/I-271 -- but by someone else and built with second-hand materials.

 

To get around gold plattiing see

the estblishment of a P-3 (Public Private Partnership) non profit corporation for Regional tranpportion. 

 

would need to consists of not only all Regional Transit Agencies, but all Regional Port Authorities all regional Chamber of Commerces, all regional MPOs, and a collection of local Non profits, and CDCs.

 

the goal woudl be combine government funding resources with the efficeny of a private corporation, that is not tied to any Union, procument rules and put skin in the game for the private sector to beeter advocate in colmbus for funding.

Red line service was cancelled yesterday east of Tower City. Trying to get from University Circle back home to Lakewood took almost 2 hours including finding the shuttle to the HealthLine (should have just walked across Case)...

Red line service was cancelled yesterday east of Tower City. Trying to get from University Circle back home to Lakewood took almost 2 hours including finding the shuttle to the HealthLine (should have just walked across Case)...

 

Well that stinks.  What time of day was it?

Red line service has been a disaster this whole week.  A westbound train broke down on Monday or Tuesday, service east of Tower City was shut down after 2 pm yesterday, and the morning eastbound trains have been late all week.