I was traveling from Playhouse Square to West 9th today so I decided I would take the E Line Trolley. I waited at the station for several minutes, didnt see anything coming do decided to start walking. I walked to public square, still no bus, so I decided one had to be coming soon so I waited at the East 2nd street station. It took an additional 11 minutes for the bus to finally show. Had to be around 25 minutes total of waiting for the bus and walking(not including riding time).

 

These are supposed to come every ten minutes but hardly ever do. This just goes to show that Euclid Avenue has terrible traffic lighting. Terrible for cars, healthline, and trolleys.

 

This sounds like an aberration.  I've ridden the HL and trolleys between Public Sq. and CSU, and have never had this happen.

There's been a few occasions when I take the 55 to Public Square, just miss a HealthLine bus, wait a few minutes for an E-Line, and end up walking to East 9th without ever seeing one. As long as its not too muggy out, I usually don't mind. Euclid is a nice walk, and me knees can always use the practice.

There's been a few occasions when I take the 55 to Public Square, just miss a HealthLine bus, wait a few minutes for an E-Line, and end up walking to East 9th without ever seeing one. As long as its not too muggy out, I usually don't mind. Euclid is a nice walk, and me knees can always use the practice.

 

Yeah its a nice walk so that makes things better, but it does suck knowing your transportation system isn't working correctly for whatever reason.  And same here, when the weather is nice I prefer walking. But I do hate walking to the warehouse district. The walk is incredible depressing. The warehouse district is extremely disconnected from the rest of downtown right now because of those parking lots. And public square still isn't my favorite walk, so since my destination was West 9th, I opted for the bus!  Maybe someday...

I hear ya.

wenn?

 

 

 

 

SHUT UP!  LOL

 

Those R32 subway cars are going to hit the half century mark next year. 

Can someone answer for me how the west side gets all the nice buses and the east side gets all the buses that are falling apart with no AC in 90 degree weather?  I find that to be entirely unfair and something needs to be said.

Can someone answer for me how the west side gets all the nice buses and the east side gets all the buses that are falling apart with no AC in 90 degree weather?  I find that to be entirely unfair and something needs to be said.

 

I'm assuming it is all linked to ridership.

Can someone answer for me how the west side gets all the nice buses and the east side gets all the buses that are falling apart with no AC in 90 degree weather?  I find that to be entirely unfair and something needs to be said.

 

I'm assuming it is all linked to ridership.

Ridership or not though no person should have to sit on a broken bus bus that  their good money to ride. I mean ive seen numerous buses with windows that wont open or close, the ceiling on the bus is coming down, broken poles, wheelchair lifts that dont work, broken fare boxes, no AC. The worst part is some of these things I see on the bus all at once constantly and I ride the bus between 4-6 days per week. It doesnt make any sense and the East side ridership cant be that much further apart than the west sides.

I doubt every east side bus is like that. It costs a lot of money to buy new buses. RTA buys several busses each year. Since many are in the state you have listed, I'm assuming the higher ridership routes are the highest priority for new buses.

I doubt every east side bus is like that. It costs a lot of money to buy new buses. RTA buys several busses each year. Since many are in the state you have listed, I'm assuming the higher ridership routes are the highest priority for new buses.

Majority of them are in one way or another trust me Ive been riding the bus since I was 13 and riding heavily might I add so I know how bad they are im not over exaggerating in anyway I rarely see a bus they has none of those issues. The main issues are the worst ones with no AC or windows that dont function correctly. Ive heard numerous drivers mention and agree with me that in their words "We get the garbage." Im not asking for new buses im asking for an even distribution of bus parts because obviously Triskett gets the new parts. Also can you please stop mentioning ridership (I know that may be their reason...b.s if you ask me) because if this was you constantly riding thesse broken buses you would feel the same as me. As a matter of fact I'll start posting pics on here of the buses and you all can judge.

^This really shouldn't be the case; ridership should have zero to do with the quality of buses.  Capacity?  Yes but NOT quality… (West Side uses stretch/articulated buses on 2 lines, #22 and #26, as opposed just the Health Line on the East Side)... maybe a check on buses for comparison out of the Triskett vs. Hayden/Windermere garages is in order.

Can someone answer for me how the west side gets all the nice buses and the east side gets all the buses that are falling apart with no AC in 90 degree weather?  I find that to be entirely unfair and something needs to be said.

What are you basing this on?  Is this sarcasm?

Can someone answer for me how the west side gets all the nice buses and the east side gets all the buses that are falling apart with no AC in 90 degree weather?  I find that to be entirely unfair and something needs to be said.

What are you basing this on?  Is this sarcasm?

Im basing this off of 7 years of east side ridership and also seeing how well the West Side buses look and run in comparison.  Also based off of Windermere drivers opinions.

Can someone answer for me how the west side gets all the nice buses and the east side gets all the buses that are falling apart with no AC in 90 degree weather?  I find that to be entirely unfair and something needs to be said.

 

I'm assuming it is all linked to ridership.

I doubt this.  Ridership should have nothing to do with it.  Has anyone checked how buses are assigned from their garages?  I seriously doubt every bus on an eastside route is inferior to every bus on a westside route.

Can someone answer for me how the west side gets all the nice buses and the east side gets all the buses that are falling apart with no AC in 90 degree weather?  I find that to be entirely unfair and something needs to be said.

What are you basing this on?  Is this sarcasm?

Im basing this off of 7 years of east side ridership and also seeing how well the West Side buses look and run in comparison.  Also based off of Windermere drivers opinions.

And you've ridden on every bus in the system?  Thats the only way you can make an honest comparison, right?

MTS, back off. Let him express his views. If RTA has an answer, they will share it.

Can someone answer for me how the west side gets all the nice buses and the east side gets all the buses that are falling apart with no AC in 90 degree weather?  I find that to be entirely unfair and something needs to be said.

 

Venting aside, if you are truly interested in helping to SOLVE any real or perceived problems, we'll need details. It's a simple matter of recording the bus number (the four digit number that can be found in multiple locations on the inside and outside of any vehicle, including right above the front door as you're entering); this number is unique to the specific vehicle, and narrows down the problem most precisely.

 

Also, please include a SPECIFIC description of the problem, or problems, you're noting. "It's falling apart" is not a specific description. "No A/C, multiple windows unable to be opened" is specific. Noting the route the bus is on will help us to direct the complaint to the proper garage as quickly as possible. Reporting problems as close as possible, timewise, to when you notice them helps to avoid redundant reports of problems that might already be fixed. Reports should be filed through the feedback form at http://www.riderta.com/feedback.

 

Every operator is provided with a "defect card" they fill out prior to placing a vehicle in service, which is turned in at the end of their run. These defect cards assist with making maintenance aware of problems that need to be addressed. Your voices, added to those reports, further amplify the awareness, and correction, of those problems.

Can someone answer for me how the west side gets all the nice buses and the east side gets all the buses that are falling apart with no AC in 90 degree weather?  I find that to be entirely unfair and something needs to be said.

 

Venting aside, if you are truly interested in helping to SOLVE any real or perceived problems, we'll need details. It's a simple matter of recording the bus number (the four digit number that can be found in multiple locations on the inside and outside of any vehicle, including right above the front door as you're entering); this number is unique to the specific vehicle, and narrows down the problem most precisely.

 

Also, please include a SPECIFIC description of the problem, or problems, you're noting. "It's falling apart" is not a specific description. "No A/C, multiple windows unable to be opened" is specific. Noting the route the bus is on will help us to direct the complaint to the proper garage as quickly as possible. Reporting problems as close as possible, timewise, to when you notice them helps to avoid redundant reports of problems that might already be fixed. Reports should be filed through the feedback form at http://www.riderta.com/feedback.

 

Every operator is provided with a "defect card" they fill out prior to placing a vehicle in service, which is turned in at the end of their run. These defect cards assist with making maintenance aware of problems that need to be addressed. Your voices, added to those reports, further amplify the awareness, and correction, of those problems.

I mentioned specific things such as no A/C broken window's, broken poles, broken wheelchair lifts, etc. in an earlier post but thank you I will do that now that I know the place to do it. Ive also heard from drivers that Windermere doesnt have the adequate amount of parts to fix the issues they have. Thank you though JeTDoG.

Can someone answer for me how the west side gets all the nice buses and the east side gets all the buses that are falling apart with no AC in 90 degree weather?  I find that to be entirely unfair and something needs to be said.

What are you basing this on?  Is this sarcasm?

Im basing this off of 7 years of east side ridership and also seeing how well the West Side buses look and run in comparison.  Also based off of Windermere drivers opinions.

And you've ridden on every bus in the system?  Thats the only way you can make an honest comparison, right?

I didn't literally mean ALL I mean how many east side buses have broken parts and I mentioned whats broken ive ridden the East side buses extensively over 7 years as well as the west to tell the difference. Regardless of the route seeing that many issues constantly on the buses I ride shouldn't happen these are issues ive seen over 7 years so im pretty sure that's a large enough timeframe to see that this is an issue that hasnt yet been fixed. If you rode these buses im mentioning constantly you would have the same views as me. So stop it. If I get on the #39 #30 #3 #10 #94 #41 #28 #1 #37 even the Healthline and seeing no A/C constantly, broken window's CONSTANTLY, broken wheelchair lifts CONSTANTLY,  but ride the #20A #76 #81 #26 on an near everyday bases and RARELY see those issue that the east side counterparts see then its an issue.

 

^ Could it be the East side riders treating the vehicles worse?

^ Could it be the East side riders treating the vehicles worse?

 

This thread is going all speculation, but I'd have to ask, if he's saying it's Air Conditioning or a wheelchair lift issues, how can those things be directly related to passenger behavior?  I don't understand how that could be the case, based on what you just wrote.

 

Passengers do not control the A/C (or vents) nor do they control the wheelchair lifts.  If you said the "seats were damaged", or "windows broken", then I would understand.

^ Could it be the East side riders treating the vehicles worse?

 

This thread is going all speculation, but I'd have to ask, if he's saying it's Air Conditioning or a wheelchair lift issues, how can those things be directly related to passenger behavior?  I don't understand how that could be the case, based on what you just wrote.

 

Passengers do not control the A/C (or vents) nor do they control the wheelchair lifts.  If you said the "seats were damaged", or "windows broken", then I would understand.

 

Be careful he may post a map or a picture to prove his point.

^ Could it be the East side riders treating the vehicles worse?

 

This thread is going all speculation, but I'd have to ask, if he's saying it's Air Conditioning or a wheelchair lift issues, how can those things be directly related to passenger behavior?  I don't understand how that could be the case, based on what you just wrote.

 

Passengers do not control the A/C (or vents) nor do they control the wheelchair lifts.  If you said the "seats were damaged", or "windows broken", then I would understand.

 

That was my thought as well.

 

Could it be that the roads they traverse are in worse shape, though?

It's likely a combination of many factors, no matter how hard we try to simplify it.

Some dates for your radar...

 

Clifton Project will be discussed at an RTA Board Committee at 9 a.m. Aug. 6. Contract may be awarded on Aug. 20, with a groundbreaking slated for September. Date TBA. Some dates are being considered, but nothing is firm...yet. For project details:

http://www.riderta.com/majorprojects/cliftonblvd

 

RTA goes to the Shaker Heights Planning Commission Tuesday evening, Aug. 6, to discuss Lee-Van Aken station.

http://www.riderta.com/majorprojects/leevanaken

 

If you are interested in the Red Line/HealthLine extension, public meetings are set for Sept. 10-11-12. For project details:

http://www.riderta.com/majorprojects/redlinehealthlineextension

 

www.rideRTA.com is being updated and expanded daily. Your comments are welcome. Please check it often. Miss a day, miss a lot (a phrase formerly used by many daily newspapers).

 

Thanks, Jerry.

^ Could it be the East side riders treating the vehicles worse?

 

This thread is going all speculation, but I'd have to ask, if he's saying it's Air Conditioning or a wheelchair lift issues, how can those things be directly related to passenger behavior?  I don't understand how that could be the case, based on what you just wrote.

 

Passengers do not control the A/C (or vents) nor do they control the wheelchair lifts.  If you said the "seats were damaged", or "windows broken", then I would understand.

 

He did say broken windows. Obviously I didn't mean the A/C!

 

"broken window's, broken poles"

^ Could it be the East side riders treating the vehicles worse?

 

This thread is going all speculation, but I'd have to ask, if he's saying it's Air Conditioning or a wheelchair lift issues, how can those things be directly related to passenger behavior?  I don't understand how that could be the case, based on what you just wrote.

 

Passengers do not control the A/C (or vents) nor do they control the wheelchair lifts.  If you said the "seats were damaged", or "windows broken", then I would understand.

 

Be careful he may post a map or a picture to prove his point.

 

Grow up. Why bring up former disputes in completely unrelated threads, weeks/months later?

 

And what is so bad about offering evidence to back up a statement. If mods think my  maps/pictures/statistics are out of line I hope they'll tell me. I'll stop sharing them here. At least I put an effort in unlike you, who mocks me for it and never posts any evidence of your own.

If you are interested in the Red Line/HealthLine extension, public meetings are set for Sept. 10-11-12. For project details:

http://www.riderta.com/majorprojects/redlinehealthlineextension

Adding to my calendar.

RTA Board Committees had a busy morning -- $16.3 million for 23 new articulated buses, a discussion of the work on Clifton, and a preview of the 2014 capital budget. It's all here -- http://www.riderta.com/news/highlights-aug-6-committee-meetings

Great news--bids are in on Clifton!

RTA Board Committees had a busy morning -- $16.3 million for 23 new articulated buses, a discussion of the work on Clifton, and a preview of the 2014 capital budget. It's all here -- http://www.riderta.com/news/highlights-aug-6-committee-meetings

 

Those bendy busses are scary (and more dangerous) for pedestrians and cyclists.  It would be interesting to see the costs involved of more frequent service as opposed to the larger buses.  The city I was living before Cleveland did away with the bendy buses because of the increased number of accidents.

Those bendy busses are scary (and more dangerous) for pedestrians and cyclists.  It would be interesting to see the costs involved of more frequent service as opposed to the larger buses.  The city I was living before Cleveland did away with the bendy buses because of the increased number of accidents.

 

Really?  Which city was that?    In Philly, they are used on a number of routes due to SEPTA's considerably heavier traffic than RTA's and they often operate in extremely narrow, (in many cases) Colonial-era streets -- it's a common Philly sight to see car drivers at a red light have to back up to allow buses (regular or articulated) the space to turn onto their narrow street.  I’m not aware of any higher accident statistics with the articulated buses for SEPTA or any other agency that uses them.  Cleveland has much wider streets and generally less traffic than Philly, even on the 3 principal streets where articulated buses operate (Euclid, Lorain and Detroit – with some exceptions like Gordon Sq and Euclid-University Circle during rush periods).  A couple years ago an RTA bus driver was found guilty for wrongful death/vehicular homicide for killing a pedestrian when she was distracted on her cell phone while making a right turn – hence the audible (annoying) audible recorded warning that is sounded every time bus makes a turn.  IIRC the bus involved was standard-size.  Like anything, drivers of articulated buses need proper training just as they would for any vehicle. 

 

I tend to like the longer buses.  I don’t think adding more frequent service to avoid using them makes sense.  The reason transit agencies use them on heavy routes is to allow buses to handle larger passenger loads without increasing payroll costs by utilizing more drivers.

 

Those bendy busses are scary (and more dangerous) for pedestrians and cyclists.  It would be interesting to see the costs involved of more frequent service as opposed to the larger buses.  The city I was living before Cleveland did away with the bendy buses because of the increased number of accidents.

 

Really?  Which city was that?    In Philly, they are used on a number of routes due to SEPTA's considerably heavier traffic than RTA's and they often operate in extremely narrow, (in many cases) Colonial-era streets -- it's a common Philly sight to see car drivers at a red light have to back up to allow buses (regular or articulated) the space to turn onto their narrow street.  I’m not aware of any higher accident statistics with the articulated buses for SEPTA or any other agency that uses them.  Cleveland has much wider streets and generally less traffic than Philly, even on the 3 principal streets where articulated buses operate (Euclid, Lorain and Detroit – with some exceptions like Gordon Sq and Euclid-University Circle during rush periods).  A couple years ago an RTA bus driver was found guilty for wrongful death/vehicular homicide for killing a pedestrian when she was distracted on her cell phone while making a right turn – hence the audible (annoying) audible recorded warning that is sounded every time bus makes a turn.  IIRC the bus involved was standard-size.  Like anything, drivers of articulated buses need proper training just as they would for any vehicle. 

 

I tend to like the longer buses.  I don’t think adding more frequent service to avoid using them makes sense.  The reason transit agencies use them on heavy routes is to allow buses to handle larger passenger loads without increasing payroll costs by utilizing more drivers.

 

 

London.  Granted, Cleveland tends to use bendy buses on routes that have very few turns.  In London, there are very few straight routes.  London was phasing out all bendy buses when I moved away, and I didn't see any when I was there a couple of weeks ago.  Here is an article on some accidents (although from a not so great source)...  http://www.standard.co.uk/news/bendy-buses--the-fatal-facts-6588794.html

I didn't see it on here already, but I'd like to give a standing ovation, A+ effort to the reprogramming of the health line ticket kiosks. 

I didn't see it on here already, but I'd like to give a standing ovation, A+ effort to the reprogramming of the health line ticket kiosks. 

 

Yep, they're much easier to use now.

I didn't see it on here already, but I'd like to give a standing ovation, A+ effort to the reprogramming of the health line ticket kiosks.

My question is are they gonna do something about the rust that isn't supposed to be there.

@GCRTA's Maribeth Feke and Coral Co's Peter Rubin at Zanzibar Shaker Square, speaking at @AllAboardOhio TOD On Tap.

 

Coral Co. President & CEO Peter Rubin discusses his company's Intesa development in Coral's stewardship of Shaker Square at Zanzibar, located on the square. This is during All Aboard Ohio's TOD On Tap tour held last night

 

@AllAboardOhio TOD On Tap tour group walks from the Flats East Bank stop on the Waterfront Line to @Aloft Hotel.

 

Harley Cohen, representative of the developers (Fairmount, Wolstein), discusses Flats East Bank on the @GCRTA Waterfront Line at Aloft Hotel. The WFL is visible directly behind him.

 

Ari Maron of MRN Ltd discusses @uptownCLE during @AllAboardOhio's TOD On Tap tour at our last stop -- Constantino's.

^Thanks for the pretty pictures but what the hell did they all say (I know you will get to that I am just impatient :-P)

^Thanks for the pretty pictures but what the hell did they all say (I know you will get to that I am just impatient :-P)

 

The people you see in those pictures paid $45 to attend this event, to ride transit, to eat, drink and hear what the developers had to say. You didn't. ;)

^Thanks for the pretty pictures but what the hell did they all say (I know you will get to that I am just impatient :-P)

 

The people you see in those pictures paid $45 to attend this event, to ride transit, to eat, drink and hear what the developers had to say. You didn't. ;)

 

Wow now there's a promoter!  :)

 

 

^Thanks for the pretty pictures but what the hell did they all say (I know you will get to that I am just impatient :-P)

 

The people you see in those pictures paid $45 to attend this event, to ride transit, to eat, drink and hear what the developers had to say. You didn't. ;)

 

Wow now there's a promoter!  :)

 

 

 

**Chuckle** Seriously, more people need to take the time and send the money to get involved. Be the change you want to see happen.

Sounds like two "billboards" are coming to the Waterfront Line stations at West Third and East Ninth.....

 

Board of Zoning Appeals

August 19, 2013

 

9:30 Ward 3

Calendar No. 13-144: 1089 West 3rd Street Joe Cimperman

 

The City of Cleveland and the Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority appeal for a 58’-4” x 20’-2” billboard

sign located on acreage in a B2 General Industry District; pursuant to Section 350.03(e)(1) a “billboard” sign is defined

as one directing attention to a specific business, product, service, entertainment activity or other commercial

activity sold, offered or conducted elsewhere than upon the lot on which the sign is located; and pursuant to Section

350.10(a), billboards shall not be permitted in Cleveland Landmark Districts, or on the opposite side of any street

bordering such districts and the proposed sign is located in a Business Revitalization District; and any building

permit application for installation of a new billboard shall be referred to the Director of the City Planning Department

for a determination of compliance with the location, spacing and setback regulations of Section 350.10(k) and

in making this determination the Director and staff shall utilize a map maintained by the Department showing

locations of existing billboards, zoning districts and other information necessary to make such determination; and

City Planning has denied the subject application due to the primary prohibition against billboard signs in a Business

Revitalization District cited above, without making the secondary location based setback and spacing determinations. (Filed 7-25-13)

 

9:30 Ward 3

Calendar No. 13-145: 1180 West 9th Street Joe Cimperman

 

The City of Cleveland and the Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority appeal for a 22’-6” x 20’-5” billboard

located on an acreage parcel in an G5 General Retail Business District; pursuant to Section 350.03(e)(1) a

“billboard” sign is defined as one directing attention to a specific business, product, service, entertainment activity

or other commercial activity sold, offered or conducted elsewhere than upon the lot on which the sign is located;

and pursuant to Section 350.10(a), billboards shall not be permitted in Cleveland Landmark Districts, or on the

opposite side of any street bordering such districts and the proposed sign is located in a Business Revitalization

District; and any building permit application for installation of a new billboard shall be referred to the Director of

the City Planning Department for a determination of compliance with the location, spacing and setback regulations

of Section 350.10(k) and in making this determination the Director and staff shall utilize a map maintained by the

Department showing locations of existing billboards, zoning districts and other information necessary to make such

determination; and City Planning has denied the subject application due to the primary prohibition against billboard

signs in a Business Revitalization District cited above, without making the secondary location based setback and

spacing determinations. (Filed 7-25-13)

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2013/crr08-19-2013.pdf

 

 

Will they be similar to this screen ad that was on the West Third station last year?

 

Nice PR work by the Flats folks.....

 

Flats Forward ‏@FlatsForward 13m

Looking to grab a bite in the #FlatsCle after work? The @gcrta Waterfront Line will get you there! Stops @ Settlers Landing & #FlatsEastBank

About a month ago, one of our cars was stolen from the Puritas RTS.  I had been carpooling from there with a coworker (our office is in the exurbs, no way for transit to work for us, unfortunately).  I filed a report with the RTA police.  One of the officers mentioned that this has been a bit of problem with mid-1990s cars (like ours) at several stations and park-n-ride lots (even as far out as Westlake).  I don't know how many thefts have occurred, so I can't comment on the precise definition of a "problem".

 

On the plus side, the officers gave me a ride home, which I really appreciated.  The car was recovered about a week later less the catalytic converter, the floor mats, and the ash tray as well as a few personal items.  (If anyone can explain the ash tray to me, I'm all ears).  Anyway, we still had comprehensive insurance on the car, so the insurance company paid for the repairs (catalytic converter, front half of exhaust, oxygen sensor, punched ignition) less our deductible.  It appears the thieves used the car to haul something as there was a slight bit of damage to the interior door panel on one side.  They also left $50 worth of gas in the tank... go figure. 

 

The officers said mid 1990s cars are likely being targeted because the newer cars are more difficult to steal and that the thieves are even taking Dodge Neons.  That sounds pretty desperate, even for a thief, if you ask me  ;-) 

 

Fortunately, it all worked out well for us.  We were going to have to replace the car in 2-3 years anyway (150k+ miles), we were just in denial about it and, long story short, a friend of mine sold me a much newer car with low miles for less than trade-in value (Three days after the car was stolen he offered the car to me.  Three days after I bought it, our stolen car was recovered).  There was no way we were going to find a car at the price we paid, so I guess in a way it worked out.  At least we didn't have to car shop... ;-)

 

Glad to hear a bad situation worked out as well as it did. Odd thing: I've parked my black 2010 Hyundai Genesis sport coup with the leather interior, turbo and sport package at the West 117th station many times without trouble. Figure that one out. And several times I thought I'd locked the car but didn't. Yet nothing was missing from inside it. The car has an anti-theft system (including key-less entry and ignition) though I've never researched it to see if it's any good compared to other systems.

 

But it seems to confirm what you say -- that thieves are targeting older cars without factory anti-theft systems. Hopefully RTA cops can help catch these guys.

The ash tray?  They just grabbed it because their might be a roach or pot residue mixed in there is my guess.

^^ Why can't they take my terrible 2002 Hyundai Santa Fe!  The car still runs and doesn;t have quite as many miles as your did, but it would not be the worst thing to have that car disappear.

Sept. 13 is the date for the Clifton Blvd. ground-breaking ceremony.

Sept. 13 is the date for the Clifton Blvd. ground-breaking ceremony.

 

Bravo!