I really do believe a lot of Eastsiders would go downtown on weekends if the trains were to run later.  I know quite a few Coventry, Cedar/Lee and Bar Louie regulars who are sick of those places but will not go downtown because they don't want to worry about their cars, drinking/driving, and how secure their cars would be.  I've tried to reassure them that if you park on Lakeside (for West 6/9), Prospect (for E4), or West 26 (for Ohio City), there is no reason to worry and parking is free. 

 

Still, the stigma of driving downtown is still there - it's just too unsettling for some people and they won't do it.

 

When I lived in Chicago, I would take the train downtown (or Lincoln Park) and then either cab back all the way (splitting it with 4 others isn't too expensive) or take the red line (a 24 hour service line) and then cab from the Loyola stop (I lived in Evanston).  The trains were always packed with younger people, and everyone was in good spirits.

 

Plus the subway works just fine whenever I'm visting friends in New York, but that's probably my buddies are too broke for cabs:)

 

My point is - trains really do make a difference, and I know enough students from Case and John Carroll in addition to Brush/Beachwood/Orange alumns who really would go downtown a lot more if not for driving concerns. 

 

Also, late night public transportation would be a hell of an incentive during our brutal winters.  I certainly do not like driving down there on icy roads, whereas I'm only 5 minutes from the Shaker rapid presently and would feel much more comfortable taking the Green line.

Also, not to voice the obvious, but cabs are way too expensive and hard to get for Eastsiders to get downtown

i think some late night fri-sat service between memorial day and labor day makes sense, especially if RTA can get a sponsor for this late night service.  Adding 2 hours of trains, maybe at half hour headways should be possible and not that expensive.

 

I'd say year round, just because it's after Labor day, that doesn't mean people still don't go to clubs and bars downtown.

 

Also, not to voice the obvious, but cabs are way too expensive and hard to get for Eastsiders to get downtown

 

If I haggle, I can get a cab for $40 one way..

PB Placemaking has some great graphics and other stuff showing the do's and don'ts of transit-friendly land uses. Check 'em out sometime!

 

Good God!  Pottery Barn is doing urban planning now, too?  At least the colors will be coordinated and tastefully muted... :-)

I just think to get any expansion of service, you're going to have to put together a good pitch with defined service expansion times, who is using it, and who is paying for it. 

 

RTA will probably cut more service this fall from underperforming routes during the next budget cycle.  IMO, to get this service running the supporters have to get by whatever off the cuff evidence that eastsiders will use the service (becuase they didn't when the service previously existed and the flats were booming), and come forward with a viable plan and monetary support to expand service. 

 

otherwise, imo, the plea will fall on deaf ears.  Maybe CSU or Case can do a ridership study?

 

 

This single post certainly generated many comments. I promise to share your comments with Marketing, Operations, and the General Manager.

Hi JMasek,

      I have a few quesitons about stops.

 

        1  Does the RTA utilize any digitalized stops for buses?  Maybe ones that include information on real time bus location and estimated time of arrival. 

        2  Does the RTA have any stops that are specific to any areas? If so do they contain any form of public art?

        3  What do you find makes a more than acceptable stop for riders? 

 

      I ask these questions because COTA (Central Ohio Transit Authority in Columbus) will be in build mode next year and we will be looking at possibly rebranding and stop design.

 

Thanks

JMasek, has a determination been made yet regarding hours of operation for the Silver Line?

I was riding the rapid from the airport the other night and was wondering why RTA doesnt have some sort of VIP car or "corporate car" for business travelers. Something that had TV's with the news on and free WIFI. something with separate seats, wide and comfy. I think RTA could really capitalize on something like that. Especially when it costs $44.00 to take a cab from the airport to downtown now.

I was riding the rapid from the airport the other night and was wondering why RTA doesnt have some sort of VIP car or "corporate car" for business travelers. Something that had TV's with the news on and free WIFI. something with separate seats, wide and comfy. I think RTA could really capitalize on something like that. Especially when it costs $44.00 to take a cab from the airport to downtown now.

 

Although, unique, where do you get the money to retro fit those cars? Where do you get the money to replace X cars converted into "corporate" cars? 

 

Now that you have a subfleet of cars this means specialized maintenance.  Where do you get the maintenance money and money for continued training?

 

How do you appropriately/market and price this service as well?

 

Taxi fare from the Airport going Downtown hasn't changed yet.

"Especially when it costs $44.00 to take a cab from the airport to downtown now."

 

No, it doesn't. They rescinded that price increase - don't ask me what the new price is, but it's not that high.

JMasek, has a determination been made yet regarding hours of operation for the Silver Line?

 

Two points.

 

First. The new service down Euclid Avenue will probably not be called the Silver Line. RTA is negotiating for naming rights with the "John Doe Company". When negotiations are complete, the service will likely be called "the John Doe Line." Nothing has been decided or formally announced. The Silver Line may be used in those areas where we need a color code or short name, such as on a map.

 

Second point. The new service will replace the existing service on the #6 route. The existing service is now 24/7, so I would assume the new service would be the same. I have no crystal ball, but that is what is being planned at this time.

RTA will probably cut more service this fall from underperforming routes during the next budget cycle.  IMO, to get this service running the supporters have to get by whatever off the cuff evidence that eastsiders will use the service (becuase they didn't when the service previously existed and the flats were booming), and come forward with a viable plan and monetary support to expand service. 

 

I know it's a catch 22 with a lot of routes, but sometimes cutting service makes revenues fall faster than costs by discouraging ridership.  It has to be a pretty fine line, sometimes.  Does RTA consider this when making route decisions?

 

Still, I wonder if the performance of some routes would improve by adding frequencies.  I use the 86 bus when I can to go to the Red Line and get downtown, but I would use it more if it ran more frequently or later on Saturdays.  I actually got stranded at Brook Park RTS a couple of months ago because RTA cut the 8:52 and 9:52 southbound departures (on Saturdays) from Brook Park to Berea and I didn't know it.  My wife was out of town and there was no one else who could come and get me so I had to go to the airport and get a cab. 

 

Aside:  the cabbie wasn't happy with the short fare.  When I said I was going to Berea, he muttered under his breath "wonderful" and wouldn't talk to me the whole time.  With that kind of baloney not being dealt with by the cab companies, I don't feel for them at all with respect to the latest proposal from the city.   

well, right now it's just in the idea form. in regards to finance. i don't have access to RTA books so i don't know all their sources of revenue, what their revenue is, or where their money is appropriated. so maybe there is money that could be re appropriated towards this, or there may be some grants or other financial assistance that it may qualify for, i don't know. as far as maintenance. the mechanical parts of the car would not change, there would be extra electrical systems run but nothing that would affect the operation of the car. maintenance would not be an issue. As far as marketing, i would get the Downtown Cleveland Alliance, the convention and visitors bureau, chamber of commerce, the hotels, restaurants, etc...involved being that this would mainly target downtown business. pricing....that would need to be studied...and not studied by me.  could be included in hotels stays, 5 even 10 dollar fee would probably be reasonable if its a good product. still cheaper than a cab, but could be so much more. smooth ride, no traffic, standard fee, WIFI included, comfy chair, TV's. it would be a great alternative. someting uniquely Cleveland.

^ and you could make it an express car as well, with no stops between the airport and downtown.  it could use the stub track in towercity.  this could have some potential at certain times of the day, but would definately need some marketing to figure out.

I honestly don't understand why people are trying to come up with something to compete with the redline?

 

well, right now it's just in the idea form. in regards to finance. i don't have access to RTA books so i don't know all their sources of revenue, what their revenue is, or where their money is appropriated. so maybe there is money that could be re appropriated towards this, or there may be some grants or other financial assistance that it may qualify for, i don't know. as far as maintenance. the mechanical parts of the car would not change, there would be extra electrical systems run but nothing that would affect the operation of the car. maintenance would not be an issue. As far as marketing, i would get the Downtown Cleveland Alliance, the convention and visitors bureau, chamber of commerce, the hotels, restaurants, etc...involved being that this would mainly target downtown business. pricing....that would need to be studied...and not studied by me.  could be included in hotels stays, 5 even 10 dollar fee would probably be reasonable if its a good product. still cheaper than a cab, but could be so much more. smooth ride, no traffic, standard fee, WIFI included, comfy chair, TV's. it would be a great alternative. someting uniquely Cleveland.

 

It's public transit system and on off peak and weekends how do you justify the use of these funds?  RTAs income source has been listed in this very thread  :wink: :wink:.

 

You're adding extra things to the car, I'm sure the mechanics along with electrical change.

 

Many transportation systems are moving to "one specific" fleet type, as that lowers cost across the board.  As a business person who uses the train regularly, I don't see this.  I think better frequencies AND matching the amenties of the Silver Line Buses to those in Red Line cars would be great.

 

Instead of trying to find a "niche" market.  I feel better frequencies and improving customer usage/experience (I.E. upgrading and using token booths; installing vending machines; map of area that the station is located in that identifies businesses, stores or points of interest; paying before boarding the train, etc.) would enhance the train system.

 

^ and you could make it an express car as well, with no stops between the airport and downtown.  it could use the stub track in towercity.  This could have some potential at certain times of the day, but would definitely need some marketing to figure out.

 

 

Running express trains?  What tracks does the train use between West 25 and Brookpark?  I know I suggested the very same thing on the Shaker Rapid, but the Van Aken line previously had express service, in all my life I don't ever recall the Cleveland Rapid having "express service".  I do think that RTA should run an express train, Brookpark to University Circle, stopping at the Major Rail Stations - Brookpark, West 117, West 25, TowerCity, East 55 & University Circle. 

 

I understand your viewpoint. As it is right now, the last few light-rail trips each evening have very low ridership. RTA does not believe there is enough potential ridership to support late-night service. We certainly could not take any resources away work-related rush-hour trips. from And right now, there is no money in a super-tight budget for "test runs." I do not see anything changing in the near future.

 

 

I think this is the wrong approach toward analyzing late night service.  This is because most people, aside from the few regular 2nd/3rd shift commuters, will not wait for the last trains for fear of getting stuck downtown.  These novelty, night-out users will tend to either catch earlier trains out of the aforementioned fear, or simply stay away from the rails, totally, if they feel their entertainment will be squeezed worrying about running for the last trains.  Conversely, if these folks know service will run till, say, after 2p (which is what was done during the summers until about 2001), they’d probably will be larger late and more spread over several the later runs.

 

I was riding the rapid from the airport the other night and was wondering why RTA doesnt have some sort of VIP car or "corporate car" for business travelers. Something that had TV's with the news on and free WIFI. something with separate seats, wide and comfy. I think RTA could really capitalize on something like that. Especially when it costs $44.00 to take a cab from the airport to downtown now.

 

Pretty much anyone who is traveling for business are expensing the majority of their purchases, therefore could care less about a $40/$50 cab ride.

in regards to finance. i don't have access to RTA books so i don't know all their sources of revenue, what their revenue is, or where their money is appropriated. so maybe there is money that could be re appropriated towards this, or there may be some grants or other financial assistance that it may qualify for. 

 

Regarding how RTA is financed:

 

RTA was created when taxpayers approved a one percent countywide sales tax. That means if you buy a $1 item, and pay 7 cents, RTA gets a penny of that. Right now, that generates about 70 percent of the operating fund. It has been underperforming for years because of the weak economy here. It is also negatively affected by growing Internet sales -- remember that the next time you buy something online.

 

About 20 percent of the operating fund comes from the farebox, so even with large growth, only a small percentage of the pie gets bigger.

 

The other 10 percent of the general comes from some state and federal grants, investments and transit advertising.

 

Note: The trolleys are free because they did not generate very much new money in the first place. Most people who rode the former downtown loops transferred from another mode. We now have sponsors to pay for the lost revenue from making it a free ride.

 

On the other hand, Park-n-Ride service costs a bit more because it is premium service -- special parking lots, larger MCI buses, etc.

i apologize for thinking outside the box. i should just assume that RTA in its current state is as good as it can possibly be and there is no room for improvement. im sorry for thinking otherwise, how stupid i should feel. i will now crawl back inside the box and convice myself that wandering from status quo is unacceptable here, being that RTA are such innovators and revolutionaries when it comes to light rail. my apologies Joe C.,

MTS, and ks5214.

No, you should get off the cross and realize that no one was saying "what a stupid idea"; there's no need for the melodramatics. They're simply pointing out some concerns that would be involved in what you're suggesting, and they're also pointing out things you already admitted you don't know. Does a premium "business class" Red Line from the airport sound like a great idea? Yes, initially it does but apparently you don't want anyone to factor in everything else that would go into creating it. It's like CTownsFinest saying that there should be a 2,000 foot tall office tower on Public Square and the only reason there isn't one already is because people don't want it bad enough. Sorry, the world and RTA don't exist in a bubble - make all the suggestions you want (no one's discouraging that) but don't get all p!ssy when your suggestion is critiqued.

 

Btw, the Red Line to the airport is heavy rail, not light rail ;-)

i apologize for thinking outside the box. i should just assume that RTA in its current state is as good as it can possibly be and there is no room for improvement. im sorry for thinking otherwise, how stupid i should feel. i will now crawl back inside the box and convice myself that wandering from status quo is unacceptable here, being that RTA are such innovators and revolutionaries when it comes to light rail. my apologies Joe C.,

MTS, and ks5214.

 

Oye ve, the guilt!   :roll:  Geez....You're worse than my mom when I don't call her back within .015 seconds of her leaving me message.  The only thing you didn't add was, "I'm the only Gavster you've got and don't forget that.  Love you, call me, bye."  :-P

 

I wasn't trying to make you feel stupid or "squash" you idea, comments or suggestion.  Thats a great "idea" but can it really be brought to fruition?  Is it a priority for the system?  Is this service a need and something that people would use and pay a premium for? 

 

A public transportation system is built and used for the general public, not for the business segment of the population, which is a small fraction of ridership from the airport.  Wouldn't the resources be better used to expand and improve the current rail system?  You need more riders to be drawn to a good system before you can begin to discuss and offer "enhanced" services.  And as MayDay pointed out, the Cleveland Rapid is Heavy Rail.  So if you're going to suggest ideas for the system at least know the proper term for the type of line you'd like to upgrade.

 

Now, Urbanlife's idea of a weekday Express train makes a ton of sense.

Keep the ideas coming, Gavster. How many inventions and patents did Thomas Edison, an incredibly brilliant man, have? A couple thousand? And how many of those actually went into production???

i apologize for thinking outside the box. i should just assume that RTA in its current state is as good as it can possibly be and there is no room for improvement. im sorry for thinking otherwise, how stupid i should feel. i will now crawl back inside the box and convice myself that wandering from status quo is unacceptable here, being that RTA are such innovators and revolutionaries when it comes to light rail. my apologies Joe C.,

MTS, and ks5214.

 

Never apologize for thinking outside the box. Joe Calabrese does it all the time. You do not know how many times I have been in meetings with his senior staff. Joe presents an idea, and staff members give him all the reasons why it will not work. Joe listens to all of their reasons, thinks for a moment, and then says, "Let's try it anyway."

 

There are some realities in life. Legally speaking, RTA has to operate within certain financial parameters. That often ties our hands. The spirit is willing, but the pocketbook is weak.

i apologize for thinking outside the box. i should just assume that RTA in its current state is as good as it can possibly be and there is no room for improvement. im sorry for thinking otherwise, how stupid i should feel. i will now crawl back inside the box and convice myself that wandering from status quo is unacceptable here, being that RTA are such innovators and revolutionaries when it comes to light rail. my apologies Joe C.,

MTS, and ks5214.

 

Never apologize for thinking outside the box. Joe Calabrese does it all the time. You do not know how many times I have been in meetings with his senior staff. Joe presents an idea, and staff members give him all the reasons why it will not work. Joe listens to all of their reasons, thinks for a moment, and then says, "Let's try it anyway."

 

There are some realities in life. Legally speaking, RTA has to operate within certain financial parameters. That often ties our hands. The spirit is willing, but the pocketbook is weak.

 

Well can we get someone to suggest "building and expanding rail the rail system"...have the topic debated, then have Joe say "lets try it anyway".   

 

Jerry, can you work that out?!  Clvlndr would be your new bestfriend if you could accomplish that!!  :-D

<<Well, can we get someone to suggest "building and expanding rail the rail system"...have the topic debated, then have Joe say "lets try it anyway".>>

 

You ignored the second half of my post, the part about financial realities. Joe Calabrese is not anti-rail...he is just a realist when it comes to spending money, especially YOUR money.

 

I would LOVE to live in a big house, with an indoor swimming pool, a staff of servants, and a Porsche in the driveway. But I cannot afford it now, and I probably never will. For me to sit around all day and dream about it would be a real waste of my time and energy (in my opinion). Instead, I devote my time, energy and financial resources to doing things that are realistic and will bear real fruit.

 

I point you to RTA's long-range plan. Thanks.

 

http://www.riderta.com/ar_transit2025.asp

<<Well, can we get someone to suggest "building and expanding rail the rail system"...have the topic debated, then have Joe say "lets try it anyway".>>

 

You ignored the second half of my post, the part about financial realities. Joe Calabrese is not anti-rail...he is just a realist when it comes to spending money, especially YOUR money.

 

I would LOVE to live in a big house, with an indoor swimming pool, a staff of servants, and a Porsche in the driveway. But I cannot afford it now, and I probably never will. For me to sit around all day and dream about it would be a real waste of my time and energy (in my opinion). Instead, I devote my time, energy and financial resources to doing things that are realistic and will bear real fruit.

 

I point you to RTA's long-range plan. Thanks.

 

http://www.riderta.com/ar_transit2025.asp

 

Jerry, my comment was a joke, not to be taken seriously. I didn't mean to confuse you or put you on the defense.

 

I guess you haven't been here long enough to know when I'm being super sarcastic.  :wink2:

You ignored the second half of my post, the part about financial realities. Joe Calabrese is not anti-rail...he is just a realist when it comes to spending money, especially YOUR money.

 

Even when rail is cheaper than bus?

Wow.. MTS and myself similar?  That's a first! haha

Wow.. MTS and myself similar?  That's a first! haha

That means your stock is improving kiddo!  LOL

 

Apparently I've been a great influence!  8-)

nyc, can you quote an authoritative source for that 40% number? I only ask because in my prior dealings with NFTA (Buffalo, NY), anything above 20-25% was considered spectacular, and I can't fathom that things would have changed so drastically in 2-3 years

 

yes, elliot sander, the head of mta, said that.

 

 

Thank you... however, it sounds like a reporter may have taken some liberties with Mr Sander's statements. What he actually said in February of this year, according to the transcript located at http://www.mta.info/mta/news/public/testimony070215.htm, was that "In 2007, MTA expects to generate $5.4 billion, or 60%, of its total $9.2 billion in operating revenues primarily from fares and tolls." (emphasis mine). Furthermore, he acknowledged this as "a phenomenally high farebox return, significantly higher than any other system in the country.".

 

Also, it appears Mr. Sander's statements may have been a bit "optimistic". Looking at the financials for the first six months of 2007, located at http://www.mta.info/mta/budget/pdf/2007_first_half_consolidated_financial.pdf, the total fares & tolls revenue was $2.8 billion versus expenses of $5.4 billion, or 52% (in round figures). Subtracting out toll revenue, for which Cleveland has no comparable component, knocks it down to about 41% -- still a phenomenal number, without a doubt, but NYC's economy of scale cannot be discounted in this regard.

 

There's more to be discussed here, but I have work to do :-). I'm not knocking what you're saying, mrnyc, just enjoying the discourse...

 

oh i know and i agree with your logic jet, but even knocking mta down to 40% it is still double that of rta. rta's returns do not look so hot compared to others on the wiki link matches posted (if being wiki of course they are at least semi-close to accurate). i am just wondering why that is that rta is not getting much bang for the rider buck?

 

for example, per that wiki list one thing i noticed was the even lower than cleveland staten island railroad returns, but that one at least is very easily explainable...they only collect fares at the first stop in st george and the last stop in tottenville (yeah, crazy way to run a train service). miami-dade has very poor returns too, i dk why. i realize every system is very different and per what jmasek implied who knows how each of them are actually counting this? obviously it is not a standardized method across all systems.

 

otoh, wow compared to the rest of the world osaka must be some kind of transit nirvana where no one owns cars and public transit is a money machine!

 

 

You ignored the second half of my post, the part about financial realities. Joe Calabrese is not anti-rail...he is just a realist when it comes to spending money, especially YOUR money.

 

Even when rail is cheaper than bus?

 

care to expand KJP, is there certain criteria that would likely make that happen? (i'm guessing ridership is the number one factor)

Yes. There are two major determinants of cost-effectiveness, both of which are based on ridership. One is the annualized capital cost per passenger-mile and the other is the operating cost per passenger-mile. A passenger-mile determines not only the number of riders but how far they are riding. It's a travel industry standard among commercial carriers (for motorists, the term is vehicle-miles traveled). So if you build a $1 billion five-mile subway that carries 30,000 people per day, that's 150,000 passenger-miles daily, or 54.75 million passenger-miles per year. The life of that $1 billion investment may be 100 years, resulting in an annualized capital cost of $10 million. The annualized capital cost per passenger-mile is $182,648.40. That's not bad, yet too expensive for many transit agencies. Unfortunately many think of figures like these when rail is proposed.

 

Instead, mid-sized transit agencies may opt for putting commuter rail on an existing, lightly used rail freight line (like in the West Shore Corridor). Let's say it's a 35-mile route that costs $100 million to get commuter rail service on it. The service carries 5,000 people per weekday, or 175,000 passenger-miles each weekday, or 44.63 million passenger-miles per year (255 days). That $100 million investment may have a life of 25 years, or an annualized capital cost of $4 million. The annualized capital cost per passenger-mile would be just $89,625.80. That's certainly much more affordable for mid-sized transit agencies.

 

Now, how many commuter trains would it take to carry that 5,000 people per day? Most commuter trains have a capacity of a 250-500 seats. Let's split the difference and call it 375 seats. Assuming no one's standing, that's 375 people. That's 13.33 trains per day. Let's say 14, or seven trains inbound in the A.M. rush, and seven trains outbound in the P.M. rush.

 

How many buses would it take to carry the same 5,000 people per day? Buses carry about 40-50 seated passengers. Let's split the difference and call it 45. That's 111.11 buses. Let's be nice and say it's 110, or 55 buses inbound in the A.M. and 55 outbound in the P.M. A new bus costs about $300,000 to $350,000 (median price of $325,000). Add in some costs (say $15 million) for new park-n-rides, bus shelters, contingencies, etc. That's a start-up cost of about $30 million. Buses last 10-15 years (say 12.5), and the fixed facilities may have a similar life. That's an annualized capital cost of $2.4 million, or an annualized capital cost per passenger-mile of $53,775.40. That's pretty good, but buses don't offer a huge savings over commuter rail. Of course, that's assuming that bus service would attract the same ridership, or over the same distance as commuter rail. Typically, buses do not.

 

Yet things are worse for bus on the operating cost side....

 

This is from GCRTA in 2004 ...

http://www.ntdprogram.com/ntdprogram/pubs/profiles/2002/agency_profiles/5015.pdf

 

                Operating Expense

                per Passenger-Mile

BUS                  $0.92

LIGHT RAIL       $0.72

HEAVY RAIL      $0.42

 

Baltimore's commuter rail operating costs per passenger mile were $0.354 (info courtesy of the anti-rail folks at Public Purpose!). But I chose that because Baltimore is similar in many ways to Cleveland. And that cost is actually about average for commuter rail operations in other cities.

 

If RTA expands rail transit service, it has the opportunity to do so relatively inexpensively because it already offers rail transit service. It has the pre-existing presence availability of support facilities (ie: maintenance facilities, downtown access routes availed by other rail lines, etc.) as well as trained personnel.

 

Yes, it also has those things for buses, but RTA doesn't have to start from scratch with rail as many other cities would and as others have had to do.

thanks for spelling it out to me (and taking the time to write your dissertation)

Thanks for the info, KJP.

That means your stock is improving kiddo!  LOL

 

Or yours is declining haha

JMasek,

 

Has RTA thought anything about a more phone browser friendly website? I was running late today and wasn't sure if i missed the last rush hour train. I logged onto the website and was disappointed to have my browser bludgeoned with the normal non-phone browser friendly front page, and don't even think about trying to read a schedule.

Yeah, I've had trouble looking it up on my blackberry as well.  It's a good idea.  Is it difficult to set up a website to be more friendly to a mobile browser? 

Yeah, I've had trouble looking it up on my blackberry as well.  It's a good idea.  Is it difficult to set up a website to be more friendly to a mobile browser? 

 

If rich can do it with urbanohio.....

The RTA site is heavily dependent on tables to provide structure and appearance.  It's an older way of coding web pages that apparently isn't too friendly to mobile browsers.  I'd say it's not hard, per se, to make a website more friendly to mobile browsers, but it takes resources having to test on another platform.  Having worked in the field I can say it's already annoying to deal with the stupid quirks each version of each browser on both major operating systems.  Then you get into the gray area of what's acceptable and what's not for mobile users, because you're always going to be making concessions.

you might try this RTA scheduler front-end written by a Case student.  not perfect, but far far better than the RTA site on a mobile device.

 

http://exogen.case.edu/rta/route/6/      < works with any route by changing the last number to reflect your desired route..

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RTA needs your help.

 

Each year, we seek to honor a deserving community volunteer. There are many such people in Greater Cleveland, but in the past year, the nominations have not reflected that.

 

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The deadline is March 31. We are doing one "push" before the holidays, and another after Jan. 1. Our goal is to give the selection committee on the Citizens Advisory Board a number of qualified candidates to choose from. Thanks.

 

http://www.riderta.com/CAB/cvaward.asp

 

The November issue of Riders Digest has been posted to our Web site. The publication contains stories on Euclid Corridor progress, revised bicycle-on-rail rules, the opening of the East 121st Street bridge over rail tracks near Shaker Square, the volunteer award, and how to ride RTA to see the Browns, Cavs, Monsters, and holiday lighting ceremonies. Enjoy.

 

http://www.riderta.com/pdf/RidersDigest/Nov-07-RD.pdf

 

The November issue of Riders Digest has been posted to our Web site. The publication contains stories on Euclid Corridor progress, revised bicycle-on-rail rules, the opening of the East 121st Street bridge over rail tracks near Shaker Square, the volunteer award, and how to ride RTA to see the Browns, Cavs, Monsters, and holiday lighting ceremonies. Enjoy.

 

http://www.riderta.com/pdf/RidersDigest/Nov-07-RD.pdf

 

Kudos to the operator of a green line train #829 at 8:04 am at the Warrensville station eastbound. As she pulled in, She inquired about a car in the parking lot with its lights on to the platform, making sure no one would get back to their car with a dead battery.

 

Jayna Story, take a bow.

 

She has been identified as the operator. Your comments have been passed along to her. Thanks.