Would have much rather picked Vesely, kid can play 2 positions well and act as a 5 if need be. This draft sucked. We had a chance to make a splash and we pick a guy who we already have in JJ Hickson. I'm just about done with Cleveland sports. These teams are destined to be losers.

Anybody else at the Q?

 

I just got kicked out for extreme profanity after our number 4 pick.  :whip:

THompson is a good pick.  He was as high as number 3 on John Hollingers board.  Big V would be a 5 year project.  In Cleveland you cant wait that long.  Vessley shoots 44% from the free throw line and has never played USA basketball.  Thompson may be traded, but if we keep him there is no problem with that

I do believe thompson would be good but he isn't one of our needs at the moment. We already have JJ coming off of a strong end of the year last season idk what to think now lol. Well if he's our guy I'll gladly cheer for him to succeed. GO CAVS !!!

This wasn't a good pick, it sucked. He's going to be another bum and a laughing stock of a 4th overall pick when next year ends and for years to come. Since Kanter was gone, it had to be trade or Vesely. Like I said, we had a chance to make a splash but we bricked it. What a waste, fire this garbage GM before he screws up our 2nd round picks.

step away from the ledge...Euros bust out much more than Texas Longhorns do...LaMarcus Aldridge anyone?

There still might be a trade involving Thompson tho let's just hope that's the case :-D. I do believe he will be a good player but still think its a dumb trade that irritates me the more I think about it. Why would you draft a pf when that's our teams greatest strengths with JJ and Andy smh

Also, Chad Ford loves the pick...but i still think a trade will be made...Hickson and Thompson are both PF's and there arent room for both.  Thompson wont disappoint, i promise.  Heat...have you even watched him play or are you mad that it is counter-prediction?

*pick not trade

 

see I can't stop thinking trade :-D

My final prediction is we end up sticking at #4 and drafting Irving at #1 and Tristan Thompson at #4.  Kanter and Williams both get snatched up before #4.  Drafting Thompson likely will mean adios to JJ Hickson (since they are basically the same player) and I wouldn't be surprised if he is used to get back into the first round at some point

 

What he said....

I would've loved the pick if we didn't already have JJ. I do believe he will be a beast but the problem is I believe in the same with JJ have you heard of any new trade rumors?

Hts hit it right on the head :D ... well one of them has to go so it'll be interesting to see what happens

step away from the ledge...Euros bust out much more than Texas Longhorns do...LaMarcus Aldridge anyone?

That'd be totally relevant if they were at all similar players. Unfortunately,  they are complete opposites.

 

This was a terrible reach and a selection  the Cavs are going to regret.

Many props to Hts for that prediction. Can't say I'm disappointed, just ignorant. I was hoping for another lottery pick tho.

I wasn't glued to Texas Longhorn games and the few I did catch on national TV I wasn't focused on him because I had no idea who he was. But I read up on him before the draft and watched a few different highlight reels. He's JJ Hickson circa 2009, we obviously picked him because we didn't want to pay Hickson, so we take a guy on the cheap to fill his void.

 

We only have JJ, Thompson, Jamison, Samuels and Andy at PF, perhaps we should pick two more in the 2nd round just to make sure we have enough.

 

And no, I could care less about being right on a prediction, maybe you care about that kind of stuff, I just want a competent GM for my basketball team.

Listening to WKNR and it seems to be unanimous, this was a bust draft. Let's aim for that #1 pick next year so hopefully we can get it right. Hire me as GM and we'll be fine.

You can't call it a bust yet only way it'll be a bust if we keep both JJ nd Thompson. You never know one of em might be a main piece in a persay Rudy Gay trade. Our front office must know something we don't in order to make a pick like that with JJ already in place so don't lose faith in them just yet :\ Let's just hope that's the scenario

You can't call it a bust yet only way it'll be a bust if we keep both JJ nd Thompson. You never know one of em might be a main piece in a persay Rudy Gay trade. Our front office must know something we don't in order to make a pick like that with JJ already in place so don't lose faith in them just yet :\ Let's just hope that's the scenario

 

I can only hope that I'm wrong and this is the case. Memphis says Rudy Gay isn't for sale, but they have to make some choices when it comes to their top pieces. And since he was the odd man out during the playoff run, he seems to be the one. I would have thought that a sniped would have leaked by know if it were the case though.

trust me I understand your thought process right now but with it being such an idiotic move I can't help but think they have something in the works lol. Now if they do nothing and keep both Thompson and JJ or trade JJ or Thompson and not get any good value with it I will be buring me a Chris Grant jersey :-D

W-T-F ?

You can't call it a bust yet only way it'll be a bust if we keep both JJ nd Thompson. You never know one of em might be a main piece in a persay Rudy Gay trade. Our front office must know something we don't in order to make a pick like that with JJ already in place so don't lose faith in them just yet :\ Let's just hope that's the scenario

 

I can only hope that I'm wrong and this is the case. Memphis says Rudy Gay isn't for sale, but they have to make some choices when it comes to their top pieces. And since he was the odd man out during the playoff run, he seems to be the one. I would have thought that a sniped would have leaked by know if it were the case though.

 

#32 - Justin Harper - 6'8 - F - Richmond

 

We only have JJ, Thompson, Jamison, Samuels and Andy at PF, perhaps we should pick two more in the 2nd round just to make sure we have enough.

 

One down.... one more to go before heatohio's head explodes.

Wow this draft is going great.  Now you tell me Norris Cole is going to the one team where I have to hope he busts?  Awesome...

wow MIA are you serious right now :roll:

Interesting.  John Hollinger, the statistics guy from ESPN, had Irving #1 and Thompson #3 in his draft rater.  More interesting, at the levels he had them compared to his ratings from previous drafts, they are as close to being 'bust proof' as you can get.

I'm not doubting that he can be a good player, but he isn't what the Cavs need. I'm sick of "great motor", "good feet", "upside". I thought it was bad when the Browns passed up on a top tier WR to drop back and pick up the guy that I like to call PHIL. If they were dead set against keeping....Ok the Cavs just had a blockbuster trade. That moron we just picked in the 2nd round for two 2nd round picks, probably in 2025, with the Orlando Magic. Anyway, if we were dead set against keeping JJ Hickson we could have picked Vesely at 4, then picked (and kept) this Harper kid. That gives us our PF replacement and we get our 3. So we get our 1, 3 and 4 in one draft. Plus we open up a nice trade asset in Hickson. Oh well, some ass obviously thinks I'm whining, but in reality I just want a Cleveland sports team to NOT suck for once.

Interesting.  John Hollinger, the statistics guy from ESPN, had Irving #1 and Thompson #3 in his draft rater.  More interesting, at the levels he had them compared to his ratings from previous drafts, they are as close to being 'bust proof' as you can get.

 

That is very interesting.  I'm actually a big believer in Hollinger's way of evaluating players and teams, so that gives me some hope.  And regardless, I'd have no problem with the Cavaliers unloading Hickson at some point soon, plus he is one of the few assets they have.  Just kind of makes you wish they would have pulled the trigger on dealing him about 16 months ago.

 

Saw this on Twitter from GodHatesClevelandSports:

 

"If #Cavs had one more pick, they would take a guy who wore No. 21 in college, just to make it REAL clear to JJ Hickson."

Another power forward! Woohoo!

Well, you can't argue with Kyrie Irving at the first pick, yet Tristin Thompson at the #4 is a bit of puzzler.  I probably would have preferred Derrick then Brandon Knight, but it's not horrible... WKNR is saying this spells the end of JJ Hickson, who is in a contract year, because Thompson is essentially JJ...

 

... of course we wanted either Derrick Wms or Kanter at No. 4, .... and, of course, they were both gone...

 

... what is really bothering me is what we did in the 2nd round.  Justin Harper is a stretch 4 out of Richmond, who can really shoot beyond the arc, yet we traded him to Oranado for their 2nd round players in 2012 and 13... Am I missing something?  If Orlado manages to keep Howard, or trade him for equal value, their No. 2s are going to be low... Pundits immediately are lauding ... Orlando for the trade. Local guys were very excited when we took Harper, who they were surprised fell to us, instead, we end up helping Orlando (boy, that makes me feel good)...  Most people are shocked we took Thompson @ No. 4,  who is good deensively, but... we still have our same old problem: no guys who can put the ball in the hole.  Yes, Irving can, but he's a traditional point.  You really want him setting up guys more than having him carrying the scoring load.  And then, the guy we get who CAN score -- Harper, we trade him away for No. 2s from a good team, years from now...

 

Given the fact that we landed the #1 and 4 lottery picks, and we have/had the $14.5M trade exception, which appears will be an un-fired bullet left in the Cavs' revolver...  I have to say that, at the moment, at least, overall, I'm underwhelmed by our moves, tonight... Let's hope there some Part II before the Lockout.

I give this draft a D, first round B, second round F. Who the hell was that last pick of ours especially when you consider who else was on the board at the time. This whole draft especially all of the second round was a head scratcher idk I just hope we're not done.

I'm actually gonna back off the JJ - Thompson comparison.  They are very similar in terms of measurables.  Same height, wingspan.  TT is a little trimmer.  I would say JJ is more explosive, but TT is more athletic.  He seems more fluid in his movement.  And he definitely is explosive, but that is where JJ is truly eilte. 

 

JJ is an offensive force.  TT is a defensive force.  TT gives you consistent effort on both ends of the court. That is JJ's greatest weakness.  JJ is a face the basket player.  TT is more of a back to the basket player.  TT has good hands.  JJ's hands suck.  JJ is a decent FT shooter.  TT is as bad as Shaq.  JJ is a knucklehead.  TT is a quality kid.  Lots of differences between these two.  I still think JJ will be used to upgrade the wings.

 

FWIW, Grant says he went bpa on each of those picks

Everything that I heard was that we couldn't find a trade partnet for the trade exception. That'll expire and be done with. Not too bad though, we save on some cap space at least. So what on earth is this team going to look like?

 

Irving (1) Eyenga (2) Gee (3) Thompson (4) Andy (5) with key reserves being Davis, Erden, Jamison, Gibson...

 

Probably pull off a trade with Sessions involved, if we don't, I say we run a whole lot of 2 PG sets. I think every PG on our team could play off guard as well. We still don't have anyone to protect the rim though, is that what this Thompson kid is supposed to do?

Jamison will have some serious value at the trade deadline.  A package of JJ and Sessions should draw some interest.  You could throw Boobie in there as well, I suppose.  We will get a 2 or 3 one way or the other.  If anything, Gilbert's GMs have usually come out on top by bein patient and allowing the right trade to fall in their lap. 

Geeze that lineup is gay some major changes really needs to made. Gee is a bench player in this league at best the only thing he has going for himself is his hops he reminds me of a Jamario Moon and Andy is best coming off of the bench with his energy and all. I'm just hoping we can pull off some kind of trade because right now this draft has my head hurting :?

I forgot all about Jamison lol him and Parker should have some trade value at the trade deadline with each of em having expiring contracts if I'm not mistaking. I still don't understand our last pick tho another forward but with no athleticism at all we already have Luke H :-D

lmao nvm I just realized Anthony Parker is a free agent smh

The WFNY ("Waiting for Next Year") bloggers are also baffled by our trade of Justin Harper.  Their admins are scratching their heads and saying it makes no sense to throw away a No. 32 pick (which NBA.net rated at No. 26), whose got size, and shooting range for a couple late No. 2s in future drafts... Someone's going to have to explain that one to me...

 

... also, Tristan Thompson shot .480 from the freet throw line... Great, that's all we need, a Hack-a-Tristan!!

Would have taken 'Big V' at 4. Not sure what's going on. Irving is an obvious #1 and I wouldn't second-guess it for a second.

 

Don't know what's going on with the second-rounders. Just not up on things enough to comment.

 

Norris Cole to Miami via trade. Horrible. Not that we could do anything about it.

The WFNY ("Waiting for Next Year") bloggers are also baffled by our trade of Justin Harper.  Their admins are scratching their heads and saying it makes no sense to throw away a No. 32 pick (which NBA.net rated at No. 26), whose got size, and shooting range for a couple late No. 2s in future drafts... Someone's going to have to explain that one to me...

 

... also, Tristan Thompson shot .480 from the freet throw line... Great, that's all we need, a Hack-a-Tristan!!

 

Easy explanation, this team has no idea what they're doing. Chris Grant is folding under pressure and isn't cut out for the job. I understand two of our 4 picks, Iriving obviously, and then our last pick is a guy that we'll store overseas and hope that he's good in 2 to 3 years. Other than that, TT is a horrible pick with the 4th pick, and to waste a pick on a PF that we're just trading for nothing when there were a couple decent wing players available is just moronic. Those WFNY bloggers will have a lot to write about for years to come in this town.

^ hit the panic switch a little harder heat...

 

Why don't we at least give the new guys a chance before we write them off. After all, Chris Grant may know a little bit more than the people on this forum.

For those basing their complaints on taking TT because we already have JJ, how much $$ do you think JJ is worth?  He is going to want $10 mill per year  The Cavs don't want to pay him that.  His value is high right now, so maybe we should wait to see what the return is if we trade him.  I think Grant earned some leeway with the Mo trade.  You don't know how these 19-20 yr. old kids are going to develop and digging your heels in now could make you look really foolish in a year or two.

^ hit the panic switch a little harder heat...

 

Why don't we at least give the new guys a chance before we write them off. After all, Chris Grant may know a little bit more than the people on this forum.

 

 

Heat-  You can stop being a fan if you want. 

 

I will root for our team and see what the kids can do.  Everyone HATED the JJ Hickson pick a few years back as well. Right now he is our best player.

I will grade this draft two or three years from now.

 

I think the interesting commentary to me right now, especially from Hts121, is what trades are likely since we now have spare point guards and power forwards. What teams need them and what do they have that we want?

I captured this video of heatohio's reaction to Grant's draft picks -

 

capone i want him dead

Experts are really liking our draft.  Chad Ford, John Hollinger, Wjonarowksi all say Tristan Thompson locked up Derrick Williams.

He did (see below picture).  DWilliams shot 4-14 in that game, but did hit the winning shot.  Texas would have won that game if they didn't get called for a 5 second violation trying to inbound the ball in the final seconds (the turnover which allowed Williams to hit the game-winner. 

 

Something I hadn't thought of, but comparing their freshman year statistics:

 

Derrick Williams - 28 mpg, 15.7 ppg, 7.1 rpg, 1.0 apg, 0.6 bpg, 0.9 spg, 57% fg

 

Tristan Thompson - 30 mpg, 13.1 ppg, 7.8 rpg, 1.3 apg, 2.4 bpg, 0.9 spg, 54%fg

 

Wow.  In a blind test you would take Thompson every time.  However, I guess the retort is that Thompson got those points beating up on puny college players in the interior, which won't necessarily translate to the NBA, while Williams shows a well-developed outside shooting touch.

Williams' outside shooting percentage more than doubled between his freshman and sophomore years.  I'm not saying that TT is going to magically develop an outside touch, but the point is that Williams had that extra year of development in college.  What might have happened with TT if he went back to school for another year is anyone's guess, but (with Hamilton gone) he would've been the man at Texas just like DWill became the man at Zona and I'm sure his stats would've improved.  I also was shocked to see the difference in physical appearance between TT when he signed with Texas and his appearance in pre-draft videos.  This kid is still maturing physically.  He will get bigger and growing another inch is not entirely out of the question.