I'm hardly optimistic. I'm just not up for another rebuild. Rosters like ours don't grow on trees but do take time to grow. GSW were not just thrown together last year. They've been building that team for 5 years and forming the necessary chemistry along the way. They got lucky with Green, who they chose a few picks AFTER Ezeli. And they've been fortunate enough these past two years to go into the finals without a significant injury even though many of their players have a track record of being injury prone. What will be interesting if they win again is how they will manage their roster. A lot of guys will want to get paid, especially with the cap increasing by a third.

 

Yeah I see what you mean. But I'm sort of thinking that we have the wrong recipe for success, so to speak. A full-scale rebuild isn't the right way to go, but they may need to make some not-so-insignificant tweaks to the roster, including possibly moving Love or Irving. 

 

Looks like only Ezeli and Barnes are up for free agency for Golden State, so hopefully that can cause some instability on their roster. I was really hoping some of the better role players would be free agents, but not for a while I guess.

I recall during the LeBron I era, we constantly tried to change the ingredients to find that right recipe.  We built a team to compete against Detroit and got swept by SAS.  We then tried to build a roster to matchup with Boston and its Big 3 and got smashed by Orlando.  Then, trying to build one to get by Orlando, we lost to Boston.  Maybe it's not the ingredients, but the lack of continuity which we most need to address.  Two straight trips to the Finals is success in my book.  I hate this whole notion of anything less than a championship being a failure.  It prevents the fanbase from enjoying the ride.  It's what is making us talk offseason IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NBA FINALS.  There are 28 other franchises and fanbases who would love to be in our position right now.

 

That said, I would assume they would look at some tweaks.  I would never move Ky unless we got a king's ransom in return.  I would consider moving Love if we got FMV for him.  I'm not so sure we will if it is perceived that we actually WANT to move him. 

^ Would you do DeMarcus Cousins for Love?  (assuming Griffin could make the contracts work)... this is strictly hypothetical as the Kings are close to dealing Cousins to the Lakers for their No. 2 + Julius Randle.

Probably, so long as he and Lue would get along.  But the Kings won't make that trade.

^You're right, it would be a pipe dream... Cousins has been a head case, but as we've seen with JR and a number of other headcases over the years, a winning environment can bring out the best in guys... the upside is that DeMarcus is one of the most athletically gifted and talented centers in the game today... Put Cousins on this team and the Warriors would be toast.

I recall during the LeBron I era, we constantly tried to change the ingredients to find that right recipe.  We built a team to compete against Detroit and got swept by SAS.  We then tried to build a roster to matchup with Boston and its Big 3 and got smashed by Orlando.  Then, trying to build one to get by Orlando, we lost to Boston.  Maybe it's not the ingredients, but the lack of continuity which we most need to address.  Two straight trips to the Finals is success in my book.  I hate this whole notion of anything less than a championship being a failure.  It prevents the fanbase from enjoying the ride.  It's what is making us talk offseason IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NBA FINALS.  There are 28 other franchises and fanbases who would love to be in our position right now.

 

That said, I would assume they would look at some tweaks.  I would never move Ky unless we got a king's ransom in return.  I would consider moving Love if we got FMV for him.  I'm not so sure we will if it is perceived that we actually WANT to move him. 

 

what do you think this team would look like if we just could have Andrew Wiggins back.

^We'd probably be right where we are; maybe slightly better.  Wiggins is obviously a great athlete with an amazingly high ceiling, but the kid's still green.  I do believe, though, it these Finals end the way they seem to be heading: with the Cavs losing in anywhere from 5-to-7 games, I think Love very well maybe dealt.  We still won't have a ring and Love still is struggling to fit in... I know Chris Bosh had similar issues in Miami, but ultimately he meshed with LeBron and Wade and, let's face it, Bosh is simply a better athlete and more reliable shooter than Love.  Bosh actually developed further with Miami and got stronger; he can now shoot 3s reliably and play the 5.  Love is either stagnant or regressing.  He's still very attractive to a lot of teams, although his max deal may make him hard to move. I wonder if Boston still wants him?

I sincerely don't think we are better with Wiggins. He's about what I suspected he would be.  Ask that question again in five years and he answer might be different.  As of now, he's looking to be second fiddle to KAT on a Minny team which destined to probably be no better than mediocre for the foreseeable future.

 

Love's deal is not going to be anywhere close to max after this summer. It will look like a steal. Most every team in the league would want him. The more pertinent question is what they would be willing to give up to get him.

Two straight trips to the Finals is success in my book.  I hate this whole notion of anything less than a championship being a failure.  It prevents the fanbase from enjoying the ride.

 

You know, I was thinking about this very issue the other day as the Cavs were getting their doors blown off and it became clear that once again we were going to come up short, and wondering if we were spoiled in this town. Wondering if maybe in 10-15 years we'll look back on this era of Cavs basketball as the glory days. But then I remembered: We're 52 years into a title drought, the way I see it we don't get the luxury of enjoying any ride until we have one that ends in a championship. I would trade appearances and losses in the 1995 World Series, 1997 World Series, 2007 NBA Finals, 2015 NBA Finals, and 2016 NBA Finals for just one championship in any of the three major sports.

And let me also add this: These Cavaliers haven't taken us on any ride. They underachieved during the regular season and they've gotten as far as anyone expected. Same could essentially be said about last year's Cavaliers. They've done about as expected, certainly not anything more so.

 

The '95 and '97 Tribe teams took us on a ride, each doing spectacular things either in the regular season or postseason or both, and the '07 Cavs did as well because they needed to upset the Pistons to get to the Finals.

While Cleveland teams still haven't won a title since '64 the recent era is certainly better than the past.

 

Between the 29 years of '65-'94, Cleveland didn't even sniff a chance at a title game let alone a title. Those were the real dark years. I'm sure the Gen Xers and the Boomers on here remember there was a talk of a title game curse, especially after the semi-annual beatdown Denver gave the Browns in the late 80s.

 

Cleveland teams have been in 5 title games in the last 21 years (since '95). That's a definite improvement.

 

I'm not counting the MISL or other secondary leagues. So please don't start correcting this with the Crunch or something like that. I'm talking MLB, NBA and NFL.

 

Any, yes, I know the Cavs were formed in '70. Even if you use the 3 team metric it was 24 years with no title games.

 

 

And let me also add this: These Cavaliers haven't taken us on any ride. They underachieved during the regular season and they've gotten as far as anyone expected. Same could essentially be said about last year's Cavaliers. They've done about as expected, certainly not anything more so.

 

The '95 and '97 Tribe teams took us on a ride, each doing spectacular things either in the regular season or postseason or both, and the '07 Cavs did as well because they needed to upset the Pistons to get to the Finals.

 

I've enjoyed the ride for my part.  I try not to take success for granted. 

 

The Cavs loss last year is not comparable in my mind to the 90's Indians (I'm not yet ready to opine on this year, since we are still in it).  Those teams were a blast to watch, but I still can't believe they didn't win at least one WS.  Those were the best Cleveland teams I have ever watched.  The most painful, yet also probably most enjoyable, were the Browns' rides in the 80's

^Don't forget about the Barons now.

^Don't forget about the Barons now.

 

Know about the Barons too. They lasted about...two weeks?  :wink:

 

Since we're in the 70s: Anyone that remembers Ted Stepien knows how special it is to see where the Cavs are now. Gilbert is a true saint compared to that clown despite the national media's attempts to still tear Dan down.

I've enjoyed the ride for my part.  I try not to take success for granted. 

 

I get that, and maybe I'll be there one day, but I just want a championship, and anything short of that is a failure...especially when expectations are so high in the beginning.

Btw, in no way am I blaming Love for the predicament the Cavs find themselves in going into (must-win) Game 3.  It's been a failure by the team, including LeBron, Kyrie, JR, Frye... and the coaching staff for (probably everyone except Richard Jefferson), a) not playing hard enough and, b) not planning well enough... Golden State has not been at their best these playoffs until their backs have been against the wall ... and now, against us.  As one pundit on the radio an hour ago analogized, it's as if there was a final exam and Golden State has read all the questions ahead of time and the Cavs are just walking into the exam room.  On both offense and defense, they are simply 1 step ahead of us, and it's been that way since Game 4 of last year's Finals.

 

Let's see if the Cavs can figure it out.  The odds are long, but if we somehow mine gold tomorrow night we may have something to build on to take this thing... even though I'm not betting the mortgage on it.

And especially when, just 135 miles away, Pittsburgh is one win away from yet another major sports championship. How many championships has Pittsburgh won among its three major sports teams since 1964?

 

Also, here's a correction about the Browns success after 1964 (and some info about them before that)....

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,6443.msg805621.html#msg805621

And especially when, just 135 miles away, Pittsburgh is one win away from yet another major sports championship. How many championships has Pittsburgh won among its three major sports teams since 1964?

 

Also, here's a correction about the Browns success after 1964 (and some info about them before that)....

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,6443.msg805621.html#msg805621

 

The TV ratings for the NHL Stanley Cup are so low I'm not sure if it's a major sport anymore. The NBA is just blowing the doors off of the NHL.

Pain is inevitable.  Misery is a choice.  - Christopher Reeve

 

I may choose to be miserable after we actually lose.  Until then....

 

 

I'll check back in when the series is over.

I'll check back in when the series is over.

 

Nobody told him?

 

:::SPOILER ALERT:::

 

It's over.

Its definitely not over, but we should know by about the 1st or 2nd quarter tomorrow night if its over.  If the cavs can ride home crowd energy and get some offensive flow tomorrow night, they can win that game.  I honestly believe they have a mental block right now against GSW< if they can get 1 win, it could change the entire series.  They could get some confidence back. 

 

However, they need to make some changes, if you see the same old offensive where everyone is trying to run through mud, the series over, just turn it off at halftime.

Its definitely not over, but we should know by about the 1st or 2nd quarter tomorrow night if its over.  If the cavs can ride home crowd energy and get some offensive flow tomorrow night, they can win that game.  I honestly believe they have a mental block right now against GSW< if they can get 1 win, it could change the entire series.  They could get some confidence back. 

 

However, they need to make some changes, if you see the same old offensive where everyone is trying to run through mud, the series over, just turn it off at halftime.

 

I agree. They're not that bad, especially offensively. Definitely a mental aspect to their poor play. It's like they've all forgotten how to score.

 

They basically have to do the impossible and win four in a row after getting beat down in the first two games. Maybe they can although it's hard to believe at this point.

Well how things can change. My hope is half restored. The real question will be what happens Friday with Love potentially coming back... Should be very interesting. I think we all expected coming home to help a bit, and if they lost again I was hoping it would be at least a CLOSE loss this time, but I did NOT expect them to destroy the Warriors so completely.

 

 

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Love should come off the bench.  RJ has brought such incredible energy, lets ride him.  Love may actually fair better off the bench too.  Ultimately, its hard trying to figure out where he fits in this series.  The cavs success is a result of Lebron and Kyrie being able to open things up for other guys...which they did last night. Kyrie in the first half, Bron in the second.  Frye still hasn't gotten going and him and Love do a lot of the same thing.  I think the Warriors are really good at guarding that.

 

Anyway, If the Cavs can win on Friday...crazy as this sounds...we will ALL feel ALOT better about going back to Oakland 2-2 this year than we did last year.  I guess its not how you start, its how you finish.  Gotta get Friday though.  Friday night in Cleveland, championship aspirations on the line....it could be rowdy.

I love the fact that they are getting more physical.  We need more of those hard screens on Clay and Curry!

RJ is also a very good perimeter defender. He may not score a lot, but RJ seems to make up for his scoring drop with his defensive contributions.

I'm still stunned about the turnaround. I'm not quite sure what to make of this team. Very confused.

 

Here's what I do know: GS has scored 104, 110 and now 90. That's an average of 101 points. The offensive talent on the Cavs can outscore this average on a nightly basis. So if GS continues to score at this pace the title is there for the taking.

 

Not to state the obvious but the offense has to show up consistently. Can it? This has been the Cavs dilemma all season long.

 

RJ is also a very good perimeter defender. He may not score a lot, but the scoring drop with RJ vs Love is small, while RJ's defensive contribution more than makes up for it.

 

RJ is the only player on the Cavs who seems to understand the moment and, yes, that includes LeBron. He was still hustling when Game 2 was getting out of control.

Everybody breathing OK now? 

 

The home cooking helped... a lot.  I think the impact of this blowout cannot be overstated.  It restored the Cavs' confidence and rattled the Warriors at the same time.

 

For the record, I think the result would have been the same with Love on the floor last night.  That said, I do agree that inserting RJeff into the lineup, and allowing LBJ to play more of a 4 on offense, makes sense in this matchup.  If Love comes off the bench, I would pair him with Frye and really stretch the floor with that second unit.  The bench has struggled to score, even last night when they scored 15 points mostly in garbage time.  Love might actually provide a bit of an offensive spart to that unit.  But OTOH I would consider starting him, to give him an early taste of that home cooking (recall how much better he was at home vs. Toronto) and then pull him early to reinsert him with that second unit + LBJ

I have to say some of the commentating last night was driving me crazy. Until the gap started getting really wide around the third quarter it seemed like EVERYTHING the Cavs did was being spun as "well there's a 2 or a three pointer but the only reason they got it to go was because of BLANK!" Or if they scored they wouldn't comment on that but comment on "but what a play or what defense by GSW!"  The bias is mind numbing. And Klay Thompson calling Mozgov dirty??? Green could pull out a knife and stab someone at this point and it would be a no call. Alright rant over... Lol I just can't stand GS.

 

 

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Cavs are 3-4 in the Finals against GS without Love.  0-2 with him.  Coincidence?

 

He's just a bad matchup against GS.  He's great against 28 other teams, but Draymond is quicker/more athletic than him.  Now that he's skinny K Love, he's lost some of his strength inside too.  I'd bring him off the bench and try to get him a favorable matchup against someone not named Green.

^The Cavs were minus-32 in the 36 minutes Love did NOT play in GS.  Coincidence?

 

The only two home games the Cavs have lost to GS in the Finals the past two years were without Kevin Love.  Coincidence?

 

While I agree that GSW is not the best matchup for him and stand by what I said above, I am annoyed by how that issue has dominated the conversation.  We get crushed in GS and all the talk, both locally and nationally, is how dysfunctional the Cavs looked.  We come back home and crush GS and all the talk is still about perceived problems with the Cavs.  Meanwhile, the league MVP has looked rather pedestrian, but no one wants to mention that.  Perhaps our fanbase gets what it deserves.

Cavs are 3-4 in the Finals against GS without Love.  0-2 with him.  Coincidence?

 

He's just a bad matchup against GS.  He's great against 28 other teams, but Draymond is quicker/more athletic than him.  Now that he's skinny K Love, he's lost some of his strength inside too.  I'd bring him off the bench and try to get him a favorable matchup against someone not named Green.

 

Love was getting beat up on the inside against Toronto too but he did bounce back. I thought Love looked decent in Game 1 and that Kyrie was more of an issue. Too much iso and not getting an open look.

 

Nice to see JR Smith actually play a Finals game. It only took 9 tries.

And Klay Thompson calling Mozgov dirty??? Green could pull out a knife and stab someone at this point and it would be a no call. Alright rant over... Lol I just can't stand GS.

 

It's laughable that he would say such a thing. Two ways to look at it showing his hypocrisy: He's teammates with one of the dirtiest players in the league AND his team's offense is predicated on moving screens which they're rarely called for. If I had access to the NBA's video archives and a lot of time on my hands, I'd try to find video of every screen that the Warriors set in the lane (which is what Klay was whining about). I'm sure they've done it on numerous occasions, probably to his benefit.

I love the fact that they are getting more physical.  We need more of those hard screens on Clay and Curry!

 

Both of them are vulnerable to that, it probably should have happened sooner.  Especially after Kevin caught the elbow.

Both of them are vulnerable to that, it probably should have happened sooner.  Especially after Kevin caught the elbow.

 

Yeah I think they're both relatively soft. I'd like to see the Cavaliers push them around a bit more. In turn this might make Green angry as a bonus, maybe causing him to get a T or a flagrant foul.

^The Cavs were minus-32 in the 36 minutes Love did NOT play in GS.  Coincidence?

 

The only two home games the Cavs have lost to GS in the Finals the past two years were without Kevin Love.  Coincidence?

 

While I agree that GSW is not the best matchup for him and stand by what I said above, I am annoyed by how that issue has dominated the conversation.  We get crushed in GS and all the talk, both locally and nationally, is how dysfunctional the Cavs looked.  We come back home and crush GS and all the talk is still about perceived problems with the Cavs.  Meanwhile, the league MVP has looked rather pedestrian, but no one wants to mention that.  Perhaps our fanbase gets what it deserves.

 

The Cavs have to basically win four (now three) in a row against a team that didn't lose two in a row until it played 95 games. Media and fans are still going to focus on the Cavs issues and the Warriors are still the better team until proven otherwise. One game isn't going to change everyones mind.

 

Want the chatter to end? Cavs need to win games 4 and 5. If it's 3-2 Cleveland going into game six, the entire focus will be on Golden State's issues. That I guarantee.

And Klay Thompson calling Mozgov dirty??? Green could pull out a knife and stab someone at this point and it would be a no call. Alright rant over... Lol I just can't stand GS.

 

It's laughable that he would say such a thing. Two ways to look at it showing his hypocrisy: He's teammates with one of the dirtiest players in the league AND his team's offense is predicated on moving screens which they're rarely called for. If I had access to the NBA's video archives and a lot of time on my hands, I'd try to find video of every screen that the Warriors set in the lane (which is what Klay was whining about). I'm sure they've done it on numerous occasions, probably to his benefit.

 

I'm not even sure Mosgov's screen should have been a foul.  He was perfectly still and Thompson tried to run through it a bit.  If Mosgov was 6 inches shorter it would have been knee to knee and they both would have been hurt.

I personally feel as if Love should come off of the bench. When he is on the court the game slows down, usually Kevin Love is on the block and backs down to the rack. What I noticed last night is Kyrie is a MUCH more effective player playing at a faster pace than when he is in half court offense. This may explain the disconnect between Kyrie and Love when they play together, just two different styles. I feel that Lue should stick to what worked, a smaller faster lineup. I liked that RJ being in there providing much better defensive insurance than when love is in there and his "lack of offense" isn't a problem. Kyrie, James and Smith can provide enough offense to make up for it. I'd rather have Rj guarding Draymond than Love, I don't think his poor shooting night was a coincidence. Another thing I noticed was the Warriors players especially Curry get bothered by physical play, keep that up and we should be fine.

 

Side observation. Lue needs to go to his bench for longer stretches of times. Playing LeBron and Kyrie for 40+ minutes per game won't bode well down the stretch, while Curry and Thompson are in the late 20s to early 30s in play time. They simply will have the edge in the 4th if the game is close due to energy alone.

I think Love is taking waaaaaayyyy too much blame for the problems at GS.  Is there actually any data that the Cavs play at a slower pace when Love is on the floor?  I doubt it. It seems like there is a bit of stereotyping going on with that.  Statistically speaking, our best scoring lineups have KLove in them.  In fact, he is probably the best big we have at starting the fast break.  He also limits the other teams offensive rebounds, which GS was gobbling up at least at the start of last night's game.  I do agree that we match up better defensively with GS with RJ in there instead of Love.  But I have trouble accepting the notion that Love is somehow responsible for our offensive woes.  He actually played fairly well in Game 1.  Don't forget that people were calling for his head after the two game in Toronto.  It's a good thing Lue stayed the course.  That's his style.

 

The best argument for bringing Love off the bench is to provide some scoring punch to that second unit, not so much that he is hurting the first unit.

 

Here's hoping that Kevin hits the game winning shot in Game 6 to close out the series.  Maybe then everyone will get off his back.... maybe

Just checking in on the Cavs chatter.

 

Lue's got to do something to get some more offense out of the second unit this series, so I do like the idea of having Love come in off the bench, at least in the first half.

 

Overall I am flabbergasted by the NBA playoffs this year, so many blow outs going back and forth between teams.

 

 

I think Love is taking waaaaaayyyy too much blame for the problems at GS.  Is there actually any data that the Cavs play at a slower pace when Love is on the floor?  I doubt it. It seems like there is a bit of stereotyping going on with that.  Statistically speaking, our best scoring lineups have KLove in them.  In fact, he is probably the best big we have at starting the fast break.  He also limits the other teams offensive rebounds, which GS was gobbling up at least at the start of last night's game.  I do agree that we match up better defensively with GS with RJ in there instead of Love.  But I have trouble accepting the notion that Love is somehow responsible for our offensive woes.  He actually played fairly well in Game 1.  Don't forget that people were calling for his head after the two game in Toronto.  It's a good thing Lue stayed the course.  That's his style.

 

The best argument for bringing Love off the bench is to provide some scoring punch to that second unit, not so much that he is hurting the first unit.

 

Here's hoping that Kevin hits the game winning shot in Game 6 to close out the series.  Maybe then everyone will get off his back.... maybe

Staying the course sometimes can be a bad thing. Adjustments need to be made. In this series a smaller lineup is needed. I respect your opinion on Love, he just fell out of favor with me a while ago. Bring Love off the bench for second unit offense this series.

 

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I think Love is taking waaaaaayyyy too much blame for the problems at GS.  Is there actually any data that the Cavs play at a slower pace when Love is on the floor?  I doubt it. It seems like there is a bit of stereotyping going on with that.  Statistically speaking, our best scoring lineups have KLove in them.  In fact, he is probably the best big we have at starting the fast break.  He also limits the other teams offensive rebounds, which GS was gobbling up at least at the start of last night's game.  I do agree that we match up better defensively with GS with RJ in there instead of Love.  But I have trouble accepting the notion that Love is somehow responsible for our offensive woes.  He actually played fairly well in Game 1.  Don't forget that people were calling for his head after the two game in Toronto.  It's a good thing Lue stayed the course.  That's his style.

 

The best argument for bringing Love off the bench is to provide some scoring punch to that second unit, not so much that he is hurting the first unit.

 

Here's hoping that Kevin hits the game winning shot in Game 6 to close out the series.  Maybe then everyone will get off his back.... maybe

 

I don't think it's a matter of blaming Love, I think it's more a matter of matchups.  Love is just a bad matchup for Green, who's just too quick and athletic for Love to stop.  By bringing in Jefferson, Lue is able to move LeBron into the 4 which works better both ways: LeBron's athleticism and quickness is a better foil to Green defensively while LeBron is more in a position to post up off the ball-- it allows Kyrie to run the point more often.  Then there's the domino effect; Green's being neutralized keeps Green from that 1-4 pick n' roll as well as freeing up the board for Thompson. 

 

And while Love had a nice offensive game in Game 1, we suffered mightily on D -- not all of this was Love's fault, but much of it was.  The evidence over this past year is stark.  Since last year's finals, the Golden State games in which Love did not play had the Cavs competitive and generally held the Warriors in check where we won 2 games.  But in the 4 Games Love has played in: 2 regular season and 1 + the quarter and a half where he played, we lost all of them and were blown out in 3.

 

I say go with the hot hand and stick with the Jefferson starting lineup.  Bring Love in off the bench which may provide some spark to our non-scoring bench.  Lue needs to feel the game and act quickly, as he did last night -- I think bringing in Mozgov was a good defensive move because, at the time, GSW was starting to beat us at the rim; Mozzie's size and length quickly stopped that and Kerr called a TO.

Like I said, I like the defensive matchups with LBJ guarding the 4 better.  I don't agree that Love struggled on D in Game 1.  He did in Game 2, but so did the rest of the team.  He is just the easiest target for blame for whatever reason.  I thought if there was blame to pass around in the first two game, it should have been placed on the role players, who did not show up to compete.  Besides, starting games has not really been the Cavs' problem

 

FWIW, Barkley was quoted as saying he is alarmed by the apparent tact of other teams trying to beat GSW at their own game.  I mentioned this upthread.  If you want to play bully ball, then play bully ball.  I thought reinserting Mozgov into the rotation, albeit minimally, had a great effect.  He hurt Klay on a physical, yet totally clean, play.  He also muscled Curry down low causing Curry to pick up his second foul.

yep barkley has been saying thats the way, or a way, to beat them the whole time.

 

you can't win playing the gsw style game.

And Klay Thompson calling Mozgov dirty??? Green could pull out a knife and stab someone at this point and it would be a no call. Alright rant over... Lol I just can't stand GS.

 

It's laughable that he would say such a thing. Two ways to look at it showing his hypocrisy: He's teammates with one of the dirtiest players in the league AND his team's offense is predicated on moving screens which they're rarely called for. If I had access to the NBA's video archives and a lot of time on my hands, I'd try to find video of every screen that the Warriors set in the lane (which is what Klay was whining about). I'm sure they've done it on numerous occasions, probably to his benefit.

 

I'm not even sure Mosgov's screen should have been a foul.  He was perfectly still and Thompson tried to run through it a bit.  If Mosgov was 6 inches shorter it would have been knee to knee and they both would have been hurt.

 

I don't think he was quite set, but I am also certain that Golden State routinely gets away with moving screens that are much more blatant.

Well, last night was exactly what I was afraid of. Wednesday night got our hopes up and then they lose Game 4.

 

I guess there's a chance that Draymond Green might finally be suspended for his dirty play (last night on LeBron), but even without him I can't see the Cavaliers winning in Oakland.

 

Draymond Green Suspended For Game 5

 

http://www.cleveland19.com/story/32203098/draymond-green-suspended-from-nba-finals-game-5-for-incident-with-lebron-james

 

Draymond Green Suspended For Game 5

 

http://www.cleveland19.com/story/32203098/draymond-green-suspended-from-nba-finals-game-5-for-incident-with-lebron-james

 

I'm no lip reader, but I'm positive James called him a "Bitch."

 

Draymond Green Suspended For Game 5

 

http://www.cleveland19.com/story/32203098/draymond-green-suspended-from-nba-finals-game-5-for-incident-with-lebron-james

 

I'm no lip reader, but I'm positive James called him a "Bit*h."

 

I am a lip reader and he did call him a b*tch.

 

Draymond Green Suspended For Game 5

 

http://www.cleveland19.com/story/32203098/draymond-green-suspended-from-nba-finals-game-5-for-incident-with-lebron-james

 

I'm no lip reader, but I'm positive James called him a "Bit*h."

 

I am a lip reader and he did call him a b*tch.

 

Good. Not that I like LeBron losing his cool and getting out-hustled, but good.

 

Green did look kind of shaken to have James go at him like that. Or maybe it was the sheepish realization that he'd be sitting out next game. Guy seriously has an issue with assaulting male anatomy.