September 14, 20159 yr The cavs aren't going to be profitable this year. Gilbert is spending a lot of money, even by billionaire standards
September 18, 20159 yr LeBron James @KingJames Missing a couple but not forgotten. We on a mission! #TheLand #StriveForGreatness
September 20, 20159 yr Was Kevin Love sleeping under a freakin' bridge?? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 23, 20159 yr Gap of $14 million in Tristan Thompson, Cavaliers contract negotiations, sources say Brian Windhorst, ESPN.com With a week to go until the start of training camp, there remains a $14 million gap in contract talks between restricted free agent Tristan Thompson and the Cleveland Cavaliers, sources told ESPN.com. The Cavs have held firm at an offer of five years and $80 million, with Thompson looking for a max contract of $94 million over the same span, sources said. The talks have been at a virtual standstill since early July, and there isn't much optimism on either side. If no deal is reached by the end of the week, Thompson may sign the Cavs' one-year qualifying offer of $6.9 million to become an unrestricted free agent next year. His agent, Rich Paul, told ESPN last month that if Thompson signs the one-year qualifier, he will not re-sign with the Cavs long-term in 2016. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13709587/tristan-thompson-cleveland-cavaliers-millions-apart-start-training-camp-approaches
September 23, 20159 yr Gap of $14 million in Tristan Thompson, Cavaliers contract negotiations, sources say Brian Windhorst, ESPN.com With a week to go until the start of training camp, there remains a $14 million gap in contract talks between restricted free agent Tristan Thompson and the Cleveland Cavaliers, sources told ESPN.com. The Cavs have held firm at an offer of five years and $80 million, with Thompson looking for a max contract of $94 million over the same span, sources said. The talks have been at a virtual standstill since early July, and there isn't much optimism on either side. If no deal is reached by the end of the week, Thompson may sign the Cavs' one-year qualifying offer of $6.9 million to become an unrestricted free agent next year. His agent, Rich Paul, told ESPN last month that if Thompson signs the one-year qualifier, he will not re-sign with the Cavs long-term in 2016. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13709587/tristan-thompson-cleveland-cavaliers-millions-apart-start-training-camp-approaches Glad they are standing their ground, he is not worth the asking price.
September 23, 20159 yr He's a durable rebounding beast and we're already showing durability woes before training camp even begins, but unless he has improved considerably in the off-season, I'm surprised Gilbert even agreed to 5/80. Timo is a stronger overall defensive presence and neither of them are consistent offensive threats.
September 23, 20159 yr He's a durable rebounding beast and we're already showing durability woes before training camp even begins, but unless he has improved considerably in the off-season, I'm surprised Gilbert even agreed to 5/80. Timo is a stronger overall defensive presence and neither of them are consistent offensive threats. Makes me wish Z was hanging around MOZGOV instead of St. Ignatious or wherever he's coaching now.
September 23, 20159 yr He's a durable rebounding beast and we're already showing durability woes before training camp even begins, but ... Stop right there; that's a key bargaining chip in Thompson's favor. And with Love's history of injuries -- and I'm talking even before Kelly Olynyk -- you can practically count on his being injured as much you can Tristan's being healthy.
September 23, 20159 yr you don't get max money for being healthy. Nobody is saying that he isn't valuable or doesn't deserve a good contract. He simply doesn't deserve the amount he is asking for and nobody in the league would pay him that kind of money, either.
September 23, 20159 yr you don't get max money for being healthy. Nobody is saying that he isn't valuable or doesn't deserve a good contract. He simply doesn't deserve the amount he is asking for and nobody in the league would pay him that kind of money, either. What you say makes perfect sense... except for Cleveland. Tristan knows, and the world knows, that we here are desperate to break the 51-year curse, and we were so close last year -- honestly, if we had even a healthy Kyrie even without Love, we could have done it this past year against Golden State -- with Love, it would've been a slam dunk imho... And history tells us that Cleveland teams seem to lose 1 key guy that upsets the apple cart -- We threw away Ron Harper for Danny Ferry after The Shot, and doomed our chances (just listen to Hot Rod Williams, today), we threw away a young Carlos Boozer (yeah, he was a sinister guy who's word we ultimately couldn't trust, ... but why did the Cavs foolishly give him that option?)... And here we are on the brink again. ... Tristan Thompson absolutely isn't worth that money on the open market ... but he IS worth it on THIS team. The role he plays is critical, esp for a team that still, without him, has a "soft" label on it... Mozgov pushed us to new limits in this area, I grant you, but it was tough-as-nails Thompson that put us over the top, and was great in tandem with Mozzie for the tough Chicago series when our cupboard was nearly depleted... of course, that team survived Chicago, but couldn't with a top-shelf team like GS, even though we pushed them to the limits (and in his heart of hearts, LeBron believes we still should have won ... he has nightmares of what "should" have happened).... If we go the QO with Thompson, he's as good as gone; both history and Rich Paul have told us that. So it means that, just like 2010, we have the all-or-nothing pressure to win, even though there's no way I'd equate Thompson to LeBron, obviously... But he's still a critical piece ... at least a Ron Harper imho... just my take.
September 23, 20159 yr No, he isn't. Youre saying that Thompson would turn down more money than he would make anywhere else. The cavs are only bidding against themselves and Thompson would be hustling backwards if he doesn't realize that. He can go to toronto, make less money, and be on a worse team if he wants
September 24, 20159 yr No, he isn't. Youre saying that Thompson would turn down more money than he would make anywhere else. The cavs are only bidding against themselves and Thompson would be hustling backwards if he doesn't realize that. He can go to toronto, make less money, and be on a worse team if he wants OK, but can we win, with the current team, without him? Keep in mind, once he bolts, we will still be hit with even the new cap ceiling, meaning we couldn't even sign someone half his value since we won't have that player's Larry Bird rights as we do with Tristan.... We're talking $14M; that's not that big a difference (and hopefully they can agree somewhere in the middle since it's so close). Is it really worth it to lose a guy just to prove a point esp in a city so desperate to win a title?
September 24, 20159 yr Doesn't it make sense that the Cavs would play hardball with TT for reasons noted above (he won't make as much anywhere else), PLUS as an unrestricted free agent if he plays his arse off this year and brings home a ring, his value will go UP next year for another team?
September 24, 20159 yr No, he isn't. Youre saying that Thompson would turn down more money than he would make anywhere else. The cavs are only bidding against themselves and Thompson would be hustling backwards if he doesn't realize that. He can go to toronto, make less money, and be on a worse team if he wants OK, but can we win, with the current team, without him? Keep in mind, once he bolts, we will still be hit with even the new cap ceiling, meaning we couldn't even sign someone half his value since we won't have that player's Larry Bird rights as we do with Tristan.... We're talking $14M; that's not that big a difference (and hopefully they can agree somewhere in the middle since it's so close). Is it really worth it to lose a guy just to prove a point esp in a city so desperate to win a title? We aren't going to lose him this year, though. We would lose him next year, but we have him for this year because if some other team actually does put 5/94 in front of him, we have the absolute right to match it and keep him. That won't happen, but we have all the negotiating power here except for the threat of what comes after next year, unless you think he would sandbag or tank this year on a QO (cutting off his nose on the free agent market to spite his face).
September 24, 20159 yr ^No other team can put 5/94 in front of him. That is the max we can offer him and since we own his Bird Rights, we can offer a higher contract and for more years than anyone else. Other teams would only be able to offer him 4 years at less $ per year (I don't know the exact numbers). Next year too..... we will be able to offer more than any other team. TT wants what a lot of players are wanting this summer.... the ability to hit the FA market next summer (Harrison Barnes just turned down a huge offer from GSW to do just that). His durability means he isn't too concerned about injury and he's young enough to wait. He would take the Cavs offer if it came with an out next summer, but he doesn't have the same leverage that LeBron has in that regard. Personally, I think he should take the money. You won't find anyone, but TT and his agent, who would ever say that is not a fair offer. In fact, it is probably significantly higher than he should've expected. If Love hadn't separated his shoulder, TT wouldn't be in the position he is in now. If Love is able to stay healthy this year, TT won't have the same opportunity to put up the type of numbers which command a max salary
September 24, 20159 yr I agree. 5/80 is a heck of a haul for a guy who still has a few question marks; in fact, the most disturbing thing about that offer to me is what it signals must be in the FO's mind about Love's durability.
September 24, 20159 yr No, he isn't. Youre saying that Thompson would turn down more money than he would make anywhere else. The cavs are only bidding against themselves and Thompson would be hustling backwards if he doesn't realize that. He can go to toronto, make less money, and be on a worse team if he wants OK, but can we win, with the current team, without him? Keep in mind, once he bolts, we will still be hit with even the new cap ceiling, meaning we couldn't even sign someone half his value since we won't have that player's Larry Bird rights as we do with Tristan.... We're talking $14M; that's not that big a difference (and hopefully they can agree somewhere in the middle since it's so close). Is it really worth it to lose a guy just to prove a point esp in a city so desperate to win a title? We aren't going to lose him this year, though. We would lose him next year, but we have him for this year because if some other team actually does put 5/94 in front of him, we have the absolute right to match it and keep him. That won't happen, but we have all the negotiating power here except for the threat of what comes after next year, unless you think he would sandbag or tank this year on a QO (cutting off his nose on the free agent market to spite his face). I doubt Thompson would tank cause it would kill his rep and bargaining power next year. Yes even if he signs the QO we will have him for this season, but the pressure to win it all now will be heightened because he will most assuredly leave next summer. And as I noted, since we won't have Bird rights on any non-Cav we sign, we will have salary cap issues with any reputable power forward we want to sign to replace Thompson – we will, then, be placed in the Rob-Peter-to-Pay-Paul trading assets position that nobody wants. I feel that Thompson is worth the money because he has a particularly high value to us. We need his grit, inside scoring, reliable rebounding (esp offensive rebounding where’s he’s one of the best in the game), and we need his durability because of possibility of injury to any of our front line guys, particularly those with extensive injury histories like Love and Varejao. And even though LeBron's been a "good soldier" and not complained so far, losing Thompson next year will not sit well with no. 23, especially if we don't win the title this year and we stand to lose Tristan because the 2 sides are only $14M apart (and it's $14M over 5 years at that). Remember LeBron is on a 1-year contract with a year option and he HATES not winning titles. I just wish we wouldn't worry so much about what Tristan can or cannot command on the open market and realize we need him if we want to put ourselves in the best possible position to win a title... this year and beyond because we know that's what LeBron wants in terms of his legacy since, at age 31 (this season), dude isn't getting any younger and last year’s loss to GS is firmly stuck in his craw.
September 24, 20159 yr ^We can use the trade exception we obtained this summer for Haywood. We could also sign-and-trade TT next summer to whatever team is willing to blow their load on him. A third option would be to sign a title chaser to either the MLE (which will be significantly higher next summer, or to the vet minimum like David West did with the Spurs this summer. We are not backed in a corner at all. We have options. Griffin knows what he is doing. If TT wants to test FA next summer, he can do so and see where the market sets his value. I doubt it is going to be much more than what is on the table for him right now. If he doesn't give us right of first refusal, then so be it, but he should.... especially if his connection to LeBron is as strong as you think it is.
September 24, 20159 yr ^True... But we haven't always been successful using trade exceptions which expire in a year. In addition to Haywood, we have a nearly $3M exception for the Mike Miller trade ... MLE's seem to go to older players who have mid-level talent but can't find a home -- I think Thompson is better than most MLE candidates. Mo Williams was exceptional in that he signed for considerably less than what a player of his stature could command. That shows his commitment to wanting a title, plus he knows and likes Cleveland and the Cavs (and playing with LeBron)... Unfortunately, all guys aren't wired that way and, instead, primarily look to be 'paid.' That's not to say a competitor like Thompson doesn't want both, because I think he does. I'm still holding out hope that a deal will get done like, say, for $87M/5 ... splitting the difference.
September 24, 20159 yr Fmr. Akron Beacon Journal guy Chris Broussard reporting that Tristan will be signing with the Cavs. I believe it's 3 yrs @ 17 mil.
September 24, 20159 yr Fmr. Akron Beacon Journal guy Chris Broussard reporting that Tristan will be signing with the Cavs. I believe it's 3 yrs @ 17 mil.
September 24, 20159 yr That's $17 million A YEAR https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard "NBA SOURCES CONFIRM AGENT RICH PAUL WILL HAVE TRISTAN THOMPSON SIGN A 3 YEAR - $53 MILLION CONTRACT WITH CAVS."
September 24, 20159 yr Fmr. Akron Beacon Journal guy Chris Broussard reporting that Tristan will be signing with the Cavs. I believe it's 3 yrs @ 17 mil. But yeah, hope it's true. A little rich, but good to have him back in the rotation.
September 24, 20159 yr But ABJ is reporting its not true... We'll see. ... but at least it finally appears there is... MOVEMENT!! :clap: :clap: :yap: :yap:
September 29, 20159 yr Iman Shumpert to undergo surgery on wrist, out up to 14 weeks By Chris Haynes, Northeast Ohio Media Group Follow on Twitter on September 29, 2015 at 12:35 PM, updated September 29, 2015 at 12:46 PM INDEPENDENCE, Ohio – Iman Shumpert will undergo surgery on his right wrist and is expected to be sidelined 12-14 weeks, the Cavaliers announced Tuesday afternoon. The team says Shumpert ruptured the extensor carpri ulnaris in his wrist a few days ago. Dr. Thomas Graham and Dr. Richard Parker of Cleveland Clinic Sports Health confirmed the extent of the injury on Monday. The surgery is scheduled for Wednesday. http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2015/09/iman_shumpert_to_undergo_surge.html#incart_2box
September 29, 20159 yr Somewhere Tristan's agent is smiling. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 29, 20159 yr oy! http://nypost.com/2015/09/29/5-things-that-have-suddenly-gone-wrong-for-cavaliers/
September 29, 20159 yr Somewhere Tristan's agent is smiling. This shouldn't affect Tristan. Cavs have plenty of depth and they know TT's going to be on the team regardless.
October 3, 20159 yr Uh oh... The Cavs have removed all Tristan Thompson merchandise from the team shop & removed him from the walls of the stadium "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 3, 20159 yr How a perfectly average player is holding the Cavaliers hostage http://nypost.com/2015/10/02/how-a-perfectly-average-player-is-holding-the-cavaliers-hostage/
October 4, 20159 yr Uh oh... The Cavs have removed all Tristan Thompson merchandise from the team shop & removed him from the walls of the stadium Posturing.
October 4, 20159 yr LeBron thinking bout TT tonight on Instagram. 18m kingjames Get it done!!!! Straight up. #MissMyBrother @realtristan13
October 4, 20159 yr LeBron thinking bout TT tonight on Instagram. 18m kingjames Get it done!!!! Straight up. #MissMyBrother @realtristan13 ... the proverbial Elephant in the Room.
October 4, 20159 yr Uh oh... The Cavs have removed all Tristan Thompson merchandise from the team shop & removed him from the walls of the stadium One of the articles I read said since he was no longer technically under contract the team wasn't allowed to use his likeness. That being said they sure did make a big deal of it.... This ridiculous. Let him sit.
October 7, 20159 yr Can any Eastern Conference team dethrone the Cleveland Cavaliers? BY NATE DUNCAN Posted: Tue Oct. 6, 2015 Perhaps the biggest takeaway from the recently released NBA season win total over/unders (addressed in podcast form last week) was Cleveland’s projected dominance in the Eastern Conference. Despite 80% of their starting five having undergone surgeries within the past six months, the Cavaliers’ 56.5 opening over/under was seven wins more than the next-highest teams: the Chicago Bulls and Atlanta Hawks. The forecasts were no closer for the playoffs, where the Cavs’ 2–1 championship odds dwarfed those of the Bulls (12–1), Hawks (25–1), Miami Heat (40–1), Washington Wizards (40–1), and Toronto Raptors (50–1). Other prognosticators have been no less sanguine about the Cavaliers’ chances, despite their injury history and the ongoing Tristan Thompson contract saga. MORE: http://www.si.com/cauldron/2015/10/06/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers-nba-eastern-conference "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 12, 20159 yr LeBron happy to be at Ohio State as part of Cavaliers' preseason: http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/sports/2015/10/12/1012-cavs-in-columbus.html
October 16, 20159 yr LeBron James gets injection in back, likely to miss rest of preseason http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13900442/cleveland-cavaliers-lebron-james-gets-injection-back-likely-miss-rest-preseason "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 16, 20159 yr Let Lebron sit on a beach somewhere till about mid January. Nice and rested. Ya Mon...
October 16, 20159 yr LeBron James gets injection in back, likely to miss rest of preseason http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13900442/cleveland-cavaliers-lebron-james-gets-injection-back-likely-miss-rest-preseason Good, let him rest. He received this injection when he shut down during the early bad part of last season. 2 more weeks to chill is just what LeBron needs... Preseason has been a grind and a mess with so many guys out with injuries, plus the strain of several back-to-back games (ridiculous for preseason) which is a strain on guys like Andy who is just coming back from an Achilles tear and RJ, who is 35. As a result, every lineup is guys who haven't played together so there's no continuity. Mo Williams was so bored with preseason Blatt decided to pull him for the 4th quarter in Indiana's blowout the other night. Our main preseason goal is to not get (any more) injuries, and we've succeeded in that so far. To hell with any more practice games. Bring on the real thing!
October 22, 20159 yr Welcome back Tristan. Now go block some shots! http://cavsnation.com/breaking-cavs-re-sign-tristan-thompson-to-5-year-82-million-deal/ "Who is: Tristan Thompson?" #JeopardySports https://t.co/Nwoj3umiKW "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 22, 20159 yr Great news... the Cavs are so stacked, it's hard not to see them winning the title if they can stay healthy.
October 22, 20159 yr Great news... the Cavs are so stacked, it's hard not to see them winning the title if they can stay healthy. We have the highest payroll, with lots of injury-prone players. I'm already biting my nails for another chapter of Cleveland sports....
October 22, 20159 yr Great news... the Cavs are so stacked, it's hard not to see them winning the title if they can stay healthy. We have the highest payroll, with lots of injury-prone players. I'm already biting my nails for another chapter of Cleveland sports.... But the beauty of the off-season signings is that we're considerably deeper than last year's club ... which was already deep and allowed even that beat up team to make the finals and go up 2-1 in them. Mo and Jefferson are talented and will spell Kyrie and LeBron, and I'm all but certain we'll keep Jared Cunningham, who's an athletic, versatile wing who can handle the ball and run the point. Right now, we're perhaps the deepest team in the NBA which should well equip us for the playoffs gauntlet.... I'm not so concerned about the payroll. All the teams in contention for the title are locked up payroll-wise which is why it was incumbent on the Cavs to lock up Thompson because our Bird Rights allowed us to pay these big bucks on him whereas we'd have been shutout of bringing anybody else in save the Haywood-exception which only lasts 1 year.
October 22, 20159 yr TT will be 'overpaid' this season but will likely be at just about the right salary range for the remainder of his 5 year deal.
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