If you don't have the self discipline to make yourself look presentable, you won't have the discipline to do everything within your power to do a good enough job for me to make me money.  And lets face it, that is the only reason I would hire you.

 

Studies have shown that students due better when there is a strict dress code.  Same applies to you. 

 

I'm tired of having to repeat the rules to you, you are fired!

 

Studies have shown that studies prove nothing.  :D

 

For you, it's about discipline.  That's because, no offense, but you're sheep.  You can't understand the concept of dissassociating someone's mind from their body.  Whether or not my pants are pressed matters not if I'm a capable, intelligent person.  In fact, the time and money spent on "looking nice" could be spent doing something that's actually useful.

 

I admit, it's a fruitless agrument, because society's not going to change.  The fact remains that if you want to get ahead as a working professional, you've got to look the part.  What I'm saying is that's the wrong message to send and that the reason it exists in the first place is a reason of ignorance.

 

I could also make a classism argument, but I don't feel like it today.

 

I think this is where you're missing a point.  "looking the part" is only a fraction of the total package.

 

Just because someones dressed the part, doesn't mean they get the part. 

My mother never actually removes inner seals from anything.  So whenever I'm over at her house or at the family summer home you don't just open a container, you end up having to prop up or fold over the foil or plastic wrap that is always covered in dried out residue of whatever you're trying to get at.  It just creeps me out, and sends me into a little mini fit as I tear it off and head to the waste bin.

If you don't have the self discipline to make yourself look presentable, you won't have the discipline to do everything within your power to do a good enough job for me to make me money. And lets face it, that is the only reason I would hire you.

 

Studies have shown that students due better when there is a strict dress code. Same applies to you.

 

I'm tired of having to repeat the rules to you, you are fired!

 

Studies have shown that studies prove nothing. :D

 

For you, it's about discipline. That's because, no offense, but you're sheep. You can't understand the concept of dissassociating someone's mind from their body. Whether or not my pants are pressed matters not if I'm a capable, intelligent person. In fact, the time and money spent on "looking nice" could be spent doing something that's actually useful.

 

I admit, it's a fruitless agrument, because society's not going to change. The fact remains that if you want to get ahead as a working professional, you've got to look the part. What I'm saying is that's the wrong message to send and that the reason it exists in the first place is a reason of ignorance.

 

I could also make a classism argument, but I don't feel like it today.

 

I think this is where you're missing a point. "looking the part" is only a fraction of the total package.

 

Just because someones dressed the part, doesn't mean they get the part.

 

I think YOU'RE missing the point.  "Looking the part" is a silly concept that shouldn't be a part of any package.  It's become ingrained that it's important, but if you check your conformity at the door, common sense tells us that a smart person can do just as good a job in sweats as he can in Gucci.  You simply cannot argue that, and you're a fool to try.

 

Now you may LIKE to have your employees look nice, as is your perogative.  But understand that's a personal preference, and that if everyone in your office showed up to work tomorrow in tracksuits--your head would explode--but, you'd also find that everyone would get the same amount of work done.  And probably be a hell of a lot less stressed out.  And be ON TIME because they're not worried about de-linting their black outfit.

 

FYI, I like nice clothes.  A decent suit goes a long way to making a not so pretty person look nice.  I like the fashion industry and consider the majority of it to be art.  But I also recognize that the focus put upon "looking nice" in the workplace is an archaic and ignorant concept.

 

 

My mother never actually removes inner seals from anything.  So whenever I'm over at her house or at the family summer home you don't just open a container, you end up having to prop up or fold over the foil or plastic wrap that is always covered in dried out residue of whatever you're trying to get at.  It just creeps me out, and sends me into a little mini fit as I tear it off and head to the waste bin.

ewwwww

 

I admit, it's a fruitless agrument, because society's not going to change. The fact remains that if you want to get ahead as a working professional, you've got to look the part. What I'm saying is that's the wrong message to send and that the reason it exists in the first place is a reason of ignorance.

 

i disagree that society isn't going to change.  I mean, it already has.  When did casual fridays come in? or people wearing slacks and an open shirt with no tie? or women wearing pants?

 

We're trending towards more casual, and that's fine with me.  I am perfectly fine in slacks and an open neck shirt, hell, i'll wear a tie if i have to...but stay away from my beard.

 

Of course, i also don't do a lot of work where i am in direct contact with customers.

 

I think people should be able to look however they want.  Of course, people also have to recognize that if they get huge plugs in their earlobes and piercings all over their face and tattoos...they're relegated to certain jobs. Right or wrong? doesn't matter, that's how it's going to be.

 

I admit, it's a fruitless agrument, because society's not going to change.  The fact remains that if you want to get ahead as a working professional, you've got to look the part.  What I'm saying is that's the wrong message to send and that the reason it exists in the first place is a reason of ignorance.

 

i disagree that society isn't going to change.  I mean, it already has.  When did casual fridays come in? or people wearing slacks and an open shirt with no tie? or women wearing pants?

 

We're trending towards more casual, and that's fine with me.  I am perfectly fine in slacks and an open neck shirt, hell, i'll wear a tie if i have to...but stay away from my beard.

 

Of course, i also don't do a lot of work where i am in direct contact with customers.

 

I think people should be able to look however they want.  Of course, people also have to recognize that if they get huge plugs in their earlobes and piercings all over their face and tattoos...they're relegated to certain jobs. Right or wrong? doesn't matter, that's how it's going to be.

 

I think that is subject to career, industry and corporate culture.

 

I admit, it's a fruitless agrument, because society's not going to change. The fact remains that if you want to get ahead as a working professional, you've got to look the part. What I'm saying is that's the wrong message to send and that the reason it exists in the first place is a reason of ignorance.

 

i disagree that society isn't going to change. I mean, it already has. When did casual fridays come in? or people wearing slacks and an open shirt with no tie? or women wearing pants?

 

We're trending towards more casual, and that's fine with me. I am perfectly fine in slacks and an open neck shirt, hell, i'll wear a tie if i have to...but stay away from my beard.

 

Of course, i also don't do a lot of work where i am in direct contact with customers.

 

I think people should be able to look however they want. Of course, people also have to recognize that if they get huge plugs in their earlobes and piercings all over their face and tattoos...they're relegated to certain jobs. Right or wrong? doesn't matter, that's how it's going to be.

 

I agree that that's how it works.  And actually, it's not an opinion.  It's fact.  But the fact that it's a fact (heh) is silly.  People will never be able to get over their preconceived notions about others.  It's not humanly possible.

I think that is subject to career, industry and corporate culture.

certainly, which is why i used the word "should"

This discussion has become my pet peeve. You have to dress the part for the job you have. You want to wear a hoodie and flip flops to work, work at Facebook. Doesn't require interaction with customers, and that is the acceptable norm. Other places have other norms.

 

I may be the best banker in the world, with the best products and pricing ever, but if I walk into a client meeting with garlic breath and day old stubble, I'm not going to get past "hello...". (especially if I emphasize the 'H').  Same if I walk in wearing jeans and a t-shirt. Dressing a certain way shows a level of respect for your clients, your co-workers, and implies a level of seriousness and integrity. It says, I thought enough of this meeting that I put this ridiculous piece of cloth around my neck. Don't want to wear a tie? Try an ascot. It works for Fred.

 

If you don't want to be subject to a dress code, start your own business. But I'll bet after you start trying to build up business, you're going to start dressing the part. It's a societal norm, just like you groom and bathe so you don't have a lingering smell of sweaty @ss. It doesn't effect your work performance either, but it's something you do anyway out of respect for everyone else around you.

 

Finally, dress codes are also an effective deterrent to eliminate the risk of anyone dressing to provocatively / risque, and creating an air of conflict / sexual tension which could result in a liability for the employer.

This discussion has become my pet peeve. You have to dress the part for the job you have. You want to wear a hoodie and flip flops to work, work at Facebook. Doesn't require interaction with customers, and that is the acceptable norm. Other places have other norms.

 

I may be the best banker in the world, with the best products and pricing ever, but if I walk into a client meeting with garlic breath and day old stubble, I'm not going to get past "hello...". (especially if I emphasize the 'H').  Same if I walk in wearing jeans and a t-shirt. Dressing a certain way shows a level of respect for your clients, your co-workers, and implies a level of seriousness and integrity. It says, I thought enough of this meeting that I put this ridiculous piece of cloth around my neck. Don't want to wear a tie? Try an ascot. It works for Fred.

 

If you don't want to be subject to a dress code, start your own business. But I'll bet after you start trying to build up business, you're going to start dressing the part. It's a societal norm, just like you groom and bathe so you don't have a lingering smell of sweaty @ss. It doesn't effect your work performance either, but it's something you do anyway out of respect for everyone else around you.

 

Finally, dress codes are also an effective deterrent to eliminate the risk of anyone dressing to provocatively / risque, and creating an air of conflict / sexual tension which could result in a liability for the employer.

 

If you don't want to be subject to a dress code, start your own business. But I'll bet after you start trying to build up business, you're going to start dressing the part. It's a societal norm, just like you groom and bathe so you don't have a lingering smell of sweaty @ss. It doesn't effect your work performance either, but it's something you do anyway out of respect for everyone else around you.

 

Finally, dress codes are also an effective deterrent to eliminate the risk of anyone dressing to provocatively / risque, and creating an air of conflict / sexual tension which could result in a liability for the employer.

 

I completely agree with these 2 paragraphs.  It's a societal norm and I, for one, hope they don't go completely away.  I long for the days when people actually used to dress up to fly, or at least used to look presentable in the grocery store.  People largely look like slobs and most slobby looking people SMELL as well; slovenly dress habits usually also = slovenly personal habits.

If you don't want to be subject to a dress code, start your own business. But I'll bet after you start trying to build up business, you're going to start dressing the part. It's a societal norm, just like you groom and bathe so you don't have a lingering smell of sweaty @ss. It doesn't effect your work performance either, but it's something you do anyway out of respect for everyone else around you.

 

Finally, dress codes are also an effective deterrent to eliminate the risk of anyone dressing to provocatively / risque, and creating an air of conflict / sexual tension which could result in a liability for the employer.

 

I completely agree with these 2 paragraphs.  It's a societal norm and I, for one, hope they don't go completely away.  I long for the days when people actually used to dress up to fly, or at least used to look presentable in the grocery store. People largely look like slobs and most slobby looking people SMELL as well; slovenly dress habits usually also = slovenly personal habits.

 

Amen!  Or add a ball game, dinner, the theatre, etc.

 

I understand society changes, but sometimes "common sense" get thrown out or is not used.

 

When I was an intern i would have never thought to show up at SOHIO in flip flops!

 

You all know I had an intern show up to my office in flip flops. The hell I put her thru will not be forgotten.  She will think about it everytime she looks at a flip flop!

^ Agreed...As I see it...The typical person these days dresses like a slob...makes no effort to at least clean up a bit...  I am not saying we need to dress 5 star for every little thing....Nor is it about vanity to just look respectable and professional a bit more often---especially in situations that require such. Typical male these days... Sneakers...shorts, and a tee with some corporate advertising nonsense on it. Or, guys with guts tucking their casual dress shirts in until it hugs their bellies so tightly to the point they look pregnant.

 

I like looking at the really old photos of Cleveland and many places and seeing how the gals and guys dressed... I thought they looked really smart...and the women looked classy! Go out to a nice dinner.... dress up a bit...make it a special event and experience...and please, when will the styles in America can the tapered at the ankles trousers!

 

As I had the Marco Polo bug and  traveled...even in many a humble places, I was impressed to see the sense of style/pride the average guy on the street had....  The women...  Wow! Stunning!

Sometimes I wish I could just round people up and do a massive group "what not to wear"!

 

I know my sense of fashion is at a different place than the majority of people, but it amazes me that there are so many men that don't know how to tie a tie or buy a pair of slacks/pants that fit properly.

^I bought my DH a subscription to Esquire and some time after that he started wearing a pocket hanky.  SNEAKY! :)

Here's a weird pet peeve: fountain Coke.  I like Coke and I like fountain Coke, but I've found that as you go north in Ohio, it gets worse and worse.  Dayton is generally the marker for this.  North of Dayton, and the fountain Coke tastes like piss.  It obviously has something to do with the water and probably the plumbing, but that doesn't excuse the fact that central-to-northern Ohio screwed the pooch on fountain soda.

A pet peeve that only comes about once a year: McDonald's in Cincinnati doesn't have shamrock shakes in March.

 

This causes me no small amount of aggravation.

Here's a weird pet peeve: fountain Coke.  I like Coke and I like fountain Coke, but I've found that as you go north in Ohio, it gets worse and worse.  Dayton is generally the marker for this.  North of Dayton, and the fountain Coke tastes like piss.  It obviously has something to do with the water and probably the plumbing, but that doesn't excuse the fact that central-to-northern Ohio screwed the pooch on fountain soda.

Huh?!?!? Where do they even offer fountain Coke anymore?? I thought that went out with Woolworth's lunch counters!

Here's a weird pet peeve: fountain Coke.  I like Coke and I like fountain Coke, but I've found that as you go north in Ohio, it gets worse and worse.  Dayton is generally the marker for this.  North of Dayton, and the fountain Coke tastes like piss.  It obviously has something to do with the water and probably the plumbing, but that doesn't excuse the fact that central-to-northern Ohio screwed the pooch on fountain soda.

Huh?!?!? Where do they even offer fountain Coke anymore?? I thought that went out with Woolworth's lunch counters!

 

I'm in my 40's but I don't remember fountain cake.  Can someone tell me what is in a fountain cake?

I think by fountain he means from a tap where the syrup and carbonated water have to be mixed as opposed to pre-mixed that you would purchase at a store to drink from a bottle or can.

I think by fountain he means from a tap where the syrup and carbonated water have to be mixed as opposed to pre-mixed that you would purchase at a store to drink from a bottle or can.

 

I get it. But for those of old enough...ahem...to remember, a fountain Coke meant someone--like a soda jerk, and yes, that term pre-dates even me!--behind a lunch counter squirting/pumping Coke syrup into a glass and manually combining it with seltzer. I remember the cherry Cokes made this way at Woolworth's were especially prized.

I think by fountain he means from a tap where the syrup and carbonated water have to be mixed as opposed to pre-mixed that you would purchase at a store to drink from a bottle or can.

 

I get it. But for those of old enough...ahem...to remember, a fountain Coke meant someone--like a soda jerk, and yes, that term pre-dates even me!--behind a lunch counter squirting/pumping Coke syrup into a glass and manually combining it with seltzer. I remember the cherry Cokes made this way at Woolworth's were especially prized.

 

Oh I get that it comes from a fountain.  I've never seen or eaten one.

 

Apparently this is something that should stay south of the Turnpike!

 

Carry on......

I think by fountain he means from a tap where the syrup and carbonated water have to be mixed as opposed to pre-mixed that you would purchase at a store to drink from a bottle or can.

 

I get it. But for those of old enough...ahem...to remember, a fountain Coke meant someone--like a soda jerk, and yes, that term pre-dates even me!--behind a lunch counter squirting/pumping Coke syrup into a glass and manually combining it with seltzer. I remember the cherry Cokes made this way at Woolworth's were especially prized.

 

Oh I get that it comes from a fountain. I've never seen or eaten one.

 

Apparently this is something that should stay south of the Turnpike!

 

Carry on......

 

What the...huh?  You've never been to a restaurant and ordered a soft drink?  What?

Sometimes I wish I could just round people up and do a massive group "what not to wear"!

 

I know my sense of fashion is at a different place than the majority of people, but it amazes me that there are so many men that don't know how to tie a tie or buy a pair of slacks/pants that fit properly.

 

I agree with that. One peeve I have is wedding dress...when there are women in the bridal party with big huge blubbery arms wearing sleeveless attire.... Uh "Uh..no... Cover some of that... it ain't purrty fer the camRA"

 

Not making fun of anyone at all....but please wear something that compliments you and does not expose and exploit parts like that.

^Women in the bridal party have ZERO choice about what to wear.  you are told what to wear, and you have to wear it.  If you are the unlucky overweight girl or the unlucky one with back acne, tough luck.  Everyone must wear the same dress and the bride decides what it is. And she doesn't pick it based on what would be flattering to all body types, or even what would be flattering to all the types in her specific bridal party. She isn't thinking about them at all. She's thinking about what color it is and how it will go with everything else in her "theme."

I think by fountain he means from a tap where the syrup and carbonated water have to be mixed as opposed to pre-mixed that you would purchase at a store to drink from a bottle or can.

 

I get it. But for those of old enough...ahem...to remember, a fountain Coke meant someone--like a soda jerk, and yes, that term pre-dates even me!--behind a lunch counter squirting/pumping Coke syrup into a glass and manually combining it with seltzer. I remember the cherry Cokes made this way at Woolworth's were especially prized.

 

Oh I get that it comes from a fountain. I've never seen or eaten one.

 

Apparently this is something that should stay south of the Turnpike!

 

Carry on......

 

What the...huh? You've never been to a restaurant and ordered a soft drink? What?

 

Ditto.  I don't get what you're saying MTS.  You have never ordered a soft drink in a restaurant?

Sometimes I wish I could just round people up and do a massive group "what not to wear"!

 

I know my sense of fashion is at a different place than the majority of people, but it amazes me that there are so many men that don't know how to tie a tie or buy a pair of slacks/pants that fit properly.

 

I agree with that. One peeve I have is wedding dress...when there are women in the bridal party with big huge blubbery arms wearing sleeveless attire.... Uh "Uh..no... Cover some of that... it ain't purrty fer the camRA"

 

Not making fun of anyone at all....but please wear something that compliments you and does not expose and exploit parts like that.

 

Wow, that's a terrible comment to make, man.  And bridesmaids don't get to pick their dresses.

Sometimes I wish I could just round people up and do a massive group "what not to wear"!

 

I know my sense of fashion is at a different place than the majority of people, but it amazes me that there are so many men that don't know how to tie a tie or buy a pair of slacks/pants that fit properly.

 

I agree with that. One peeve I have is wedding dress...when there are women in the bridal party with big huge blubbery arms wearing sleeveless attire.... Uh "Uh..no... Cover some of that... it ain't purrty fer the camRA"

 

Not making fun of anyone at all....but please wear something that compliments you and does not expose and exploit parts like that.

 

Well lets not be sexist.  I'm 43 and the last time I was at the beach, all I saw were scrawny pale boys or overweight men who appeared to be 10 months pregnant. 

 

So if we're going to talk about physique's, include the over weight men!

 

I think by fountain he means from a tap where the syrup and carbonated water have to be mixed as opposed to pre-mixed that you would purchase at a store to drink from a bottle or can.

 

I get it. But for those of old enough...ahem...to remember, a fountain Coke meant someone--like a soda jerk, and yes, that term pre-dates even me!--behind a lunch counter squirting/pumping Coke syrup into a glass and manually combining it with seltzer. I remember the cherry Cokes made this way at Woolworth's were especially prized.

 

Oh I get that it comes from a fountain.  I've never seen or eaten one.

 

Apparently this is something that should stay south of the Turnpike!

 

Carry on......

 

What the...huh?  You've never been to a restaurant and ordered a soft drink?  What?

 

Ditto.  I don't get what you're saying MTS.  You have never ordered a soft drink in a restaurant?

 

I recall having a fountain soda when we visited family in the God forsaken South.

I think by fountain he means from a tap where the syrup and carbonated water have to be mixed as opposed to pre-mixed that you would purchase at a store to drink from a bottle or can.

 

I get it. But for those of old enough...ahem...to remember, a fountain Coke meant someone--like a soda jerk, and yes, that term pre-dates even me!--behind a lunch counter squirting/pumping Coke syrup into a glass and manually combining it with seltzer. I remember the cherry Cokes made this way at Woolworth's were especially prized.

 

Oh I get that it comes from a fountain. I've never seen or eaten one.

 

Apparently this is something that should stay south of the Turnpike!

 

Carry on......

 

What the...huh? You've never been to a restaurant and ordered a soft drink? What?

 

Ditto. I don't get what you're saying MTS. You have never ordered a soft drink in a restaurant?

 

I recall having a fountain soda when we visited family in the God forsaken South.

 

I think you're still a bit confused as to what fountain soda is, MTS. 

I think you're still a bit confused as to what fountain soda is, MTS. 

 

I rarely drink soda.  However, when I think of fountain Soda I think of

 

A:

 

or

 

B:

 

Option A, is what I normaly have seen.  Is that what you mean?

Yes, "A."  Good Christ.

But also any soda at a sit-down restaurant.

But also any soda at a sit-down restaurant.

I'm not a big soda drinker. I usually just drink water with a lime & jalapeno.

^Women in the bridal party have ZERO choice about what to wear. you are told what to wear, and you have to wear it. If you are the unlucky overweight girl or the unlucky one with back acne, tough luck. Everyone must wear the same dress and the bride decides what it is. And she doesn't pick it based on what would be flattering to all body types, or even what would be flattering to all the types in her specific bridal party. She isn't thinking about them at all. She's thinking about what color it is and how it will go with everything else in her "theme."

 

I thought my wife came up with a good solution to this issue which causes drama during the planning stage of almost every wedding (whether the bride realizes it or not).  My wife chose a dress-maker, color and fabric.... but her bridesmaids (all 10 of them in different shapes and sizes) were allowed to pick from several differnet styles - tube tops, spaghetti straps, two pieves, short sleeves, etc.

But also any soda at a sit-down restaurant.

I'm not a big soda drinker. I usually just drink water with a lime & jalapeno.

 

Why in God's name would you drink that concoction?  Are you some sort of mythical creature, or something?

But also any soda at a sit-down restaurant.

I'm not a big soda drinker. I usually just drink water with a lime & jalapeno.

 

But you have had it before, yes?  You act like you've never had it. 

He acted like he didn't know what it was, saying it should stay "south of the turnpike."  Dude.  Fountain soda is everywhere.

Man, i've got a lot of pet peeves...

 

when people call pop "soda"

Man, i've got a lot of pet peeves...

 

when people call pop "soda"

 

Haha.  That's the correct term, though.

^i don't think there really is a "correct" term...just ones that are preferred in certain areas of the country.

 

Being from Michigan it's always been "pop" to me.  and i won't have you socialist emmer effers telling me what i can call it.  :wink:

But also any soda at a sit-down restaurant.

I'm not a big soda drinker. I usually just drink water with a lime & jalapeno.

 

That is the dumbest concoction I have ever heard of.  You put peppers in your water and have never heard of a fountain drink.  What planet are we on?  What the Heck is the point on putting a hot pepper in your water.  When you go to peoples house, and ask for a water, do hey seriously ask if you would like a hot pepper in your water???

and please, when will the styles in America can the tapered at the ankles trousers!

 

You have hit the nail on the head for my pet peeve of American Retailers(speaking from a men's pov).  They try to fit everyone into the same box saying that this or that is "in" or "out" so the can mass market the same crap to everyone.  Now, boot cut pants are back in and straight leg are out.  I have a 30" inch waist and boot cut pants look like stove pipes and makes my size 10 feet look tiny, I hate it.  Same goes for dress shirts, they are way too blousy in the US, and do not offer much for slimmer guys.  You can usually only find well fitting clothes in the US if you go more upscale.

 

I notice in other countries, mass retailers offer more selection for different body types instead of the same cut for everyone. 

 

US mass retailers....Gap, BR, Express....etc do not get it and are not doing well.  International mass retailers...Zara, Next, Topman/Topshop, H&M seem to get it and are expanding.  I only shop now when I am out of the country, I can't stand searching for clothes that fit in the US anymore since I was unemployed for a while and could not afford the higher end stuff.

 

Maybe men in the US would dress better if more mass retailers offered a better selection.  I don't blame men in the US for hating to wear suits, anything low/mid market fits like crap and looks like thier Dad's suits.

 

Anyone on here that thinks people should dress however they want....think about when you travel to a new city.  If you are downtown, say in Montreal or in the business district in London...don't you enjoy seeing smartly dressed people going about their business?  Don't you get a better vibe from the place?

>:D :whip:

^Women in the bridal party have ZERO choice about what to wear.  you are told what to wear, and you have to wear it.  If you are the unlucky overweight girl or the unlucky one with back acne, tough luck.  Everyone must wear the same dress and the bride decides what it is. And she doesn't pick it based on what would be flattering to all body types, or even what would be flattering to all the types in her specific bridal party. She isn't thinking about them at all. She's thinking about what color it is and how it will go with everything else in her "theme."

 

I thought my wife came up with a good solution to this issue which causes drama during the planning stage of almost every wedding (whether the bride realizes it or not).  My wife chose a dress-maker, color and fabric.... but her bridesmaids (all 10 of them in different shapes and sizes) were allowed to pick from several differnet styles - tube tops, spaghetti straps, two pieves, short sleeves, etc.

 

I was a Bride-zilla, when I planned my brothers wedding. My Brother and skank-in-law self admittedly have no style.  Her mother and sister are of no use.  When things weren't "panning" out right, the skank asked me to intervene. >:D >:D  I made her grovel  :whip: My favorite saying  "say nothing..and you'll live.  Keep your mouth shut and show up for fittings."

 

My mother and I picked out every thing. 

 

My father would consistently ask, "Are the two of you getting married?  You two act like this is your wedding"

 

 

Man, i've got a lot of pet peeves...

 

when people call pop "soda"

 

Haha.  That's the correct term, though.

Funny you say that, my dad says "Soda Pop"

That is the dumbest concoction I have ever heard of.  You put peppers in your water and have never heard of a fountain drink.  What planet are we on?  What the Heck is the point on putting a hot pepper in your water.  When you go to peoples house, and ask for a water, do hey seriously ask if you would like a hot pepper in your water???

 

You know I like spicy foods.  The pepper helps with digestion.

and please, when will the styles in America can the tapered at the ankles trousers!

 

You have hit the nail on the head for my pet peeve of American Retailers(speaking from a men's pov). They try to fit everyone into the same box saying that this or that is "in" or "out" so the can mass market the same crap to everyone. Now, boot cut pants are back in and straight leg are out. I have a 30" inch waist and boot cut pants look like stove pipes and makes my size 10 feet look tiny, I hate it. Same goes for dress shirts, they are way too blousy in the US, and do not offer much for slimmer guys. You can usually only find well fitting clothes in the US if you go more upscale.

 

I notice in other countries, mass retailers offer more selection for different body types instead of the same cut for everyone.

 

US mass retailers....Gap, BR, Express....etc do not get it and are not doing well. International mass retailers...Zara, Next, Topman/Topshop, H&M seem to get it and are expanding. I only shop now when I am out of the country, I can't stand searching for clothes that fit in the US anymore since I was unemployed for a while and could not afford the higher end stuff.

 

Maybe men in the US would dress better if more mass retailers offered a better selection. I don't blame men in the US for hating to wear suits, anything low/mid market fits like crap and looks like thier Dad's suits.

 

 

Don't even get me started.  At least you can go to different stores and the size will be fairly consistent.  A 31 is a 31.  Not so with women's clothing.  Don't I wish that all I had to worry about was boot cut vs. straight leg.  I have stuff in my closet that fits me that's labeled anything from a 6 to a 12, from an XS to an XL.

He acted like he didn't know what it was, saying it should stay "south of the turnpike."  Dude.  Fountain soda is everywhere.

 

Yeah...but it's Coke.    and it a southern thing.  :P

 

and please, when will the styles in America can the tapered at the ankles trousers!

 

You have hit the nail on the head for my pet peeve of American Retailers(speaking from a men's pov).  They try to fit everyone into the same box saying that this or that is "in" or "out" so the can mass market the same crap to everyone.  Now, boot cut pants are back in and straight leg are out.  I have a 30" inch waist and boot cut pants look like stove pipes and makes my size 10 feet look tiny, I hate it.  Same goes for dress shirts, they are way too blousy in the US, and do not offer much for slimmer guys.  You can usually only find well fitting clothes in the US if you go more upscale.

 

I notice in other countries, mass retailers offer more selection for different body types instead of the same cut for everyone. 

 

US mass retailers....Gap, BR, Express....etc do not get it and are not doing well.  International mass retailers...Zara, Next, Topman/Topshop, H&M seem to get it and are expanding.  I only shop now when I am out of the country, I can't stand searching for clothes that fit in the US anymore since I was unemployed for a while and could not afford the higher end stuff.

 

Maybe men in the US would dress better if more mass retailers offered a better selection.  I don't blame men in the US for hating to wear suits, anything low/mid market fits like crap and looks like thier Dad's suits.

 

Anyone on here that thinks people should dress however they want....think about when you travel to a new city.  If you are downtown, say in Montreal or in the business district in London...don't you enjoy seeing smartly dressed people going about their business?  Don't you get a better vibe from the place?

 

Are you serious?  You really can't be serious?  You complain about "blousy" shirt in one paragraph and then in the next you sayZara, Next and H&M "get it" and close with "Maybe men in the US would dress better if more mass retailers offered a better selection"

 

As a Fist rate Label Queen, with impecable fashion sense and the wardrobe to prove it.  I'm floored.

^^Oh yeah, the sizes are completely mislabled.  I have a pair of jeans that are a 29 and loose. I haven't worn a 29 since HS.  Everthing for men is labled a smaller size, and cut huge....I guess to appease larger Americans into thinking they wear a smaller size than they do.

 

And talk about boring....the BR on Michigan avenue has a display in both windows that says "The White Shirt".  YAWN!  Really, and they wonder why sales suck.

Regardless of what you think the quality, Zara and H&M clothing have a more body conciousness fit than just about any mainstream US retailer. MTS, if you're so concerned about us dressing well, take your hoity toity arse over to Barneys and start shopping for us :roll:

^^Oh yeah, the sizes are completely mislabled.  I have a pair of jeans that are a 29 and loose. I haven't worn a 29 since HS.  Everthing for men is labled a smaller size, and cut huge....I guess to appease larger Americans into thinking they wear a smaller size than they do.

 

And talk about boring....the BR on Michigan avenue has a display in both windows that says "The White Shirt".  YAWN!  Really, and they wonder why sales suck.

 

Honey, it's the retail stores you're patronizing.  European retailers traditional have smaller cuts than american retailers.  So a 29 at BR is probably a 27 at H&M.

 

You complain about the BR on Mich. Ave., then walk your butt accross the street to Neimans or Saks.  ;)