At least Eaton tried to stay in the city.  Parker bolted to the other side of 271 without a backwards glance

There is a generational gap when it comes to urban development. My parents live pretty close to the Chagrin Highlands. They were pretty excited about the potential move. I told them this was a shortsighted decision by Eaton, and the company would have a hard time attracting "talent." They looked at me like I was crazy. The first thing my mom said was the area offered ample parking and highway access. No matter what I said, my parents just didn't get it.

^that was my point on the last page.  The conventional wisdom for people above 50 (generally) is parking equals prosperity

Is the port authority working as hard to get Ernst and Young's building built for the east bank?  What a sham.

At least Eaton tried to stay in the city. Parker bolted to the other side of 271 without a backwards glance

 

And the mister (who works at Parker) works with all 50-somethings.  He's one of the few and far between youngins there...

There is a difference between place and space.  Eaton clearly feels that to create a world class space, they need room to do it, regardless of the "place." 

 

There's plenty of space in the Flats East Bank, but nooooooooooo, they won't move there.

 

And the design was vilified here as completely wrong for the site.  Rightfully so, perhaps, but nevertheless it's clear what they want

gee, wonder why that is... do you suppose any of these executives even have a clue that most (obviously not all) younger people if given any choice whatsoever prefer to if nothing else work in urban environments?

Out of school I was hired at Parker.  They sent a group of us to 9 weeks of training in California, which was nice.  On the last day of training they laid us all off, not so nice.

 

The next week, I headed to my old division in Pittsburg to clean out my desk.  I became my own bartender, and told myself to cry in my beer tonight because tomorrow would be a better day.  That day I said that to myself was September 10th, 2001.

 

(I f*cking hate Parker)

 

Sorry, 8 years later and still mad.

Back to Eaton  :)

 

This isn't about impressing dignataries, this is about my drive from Chesterland is too far. 

 

Exactly.

And the mister (who works at Parker) works with all 50-somethings. He's one of the few and far between youngins there...

 

I'm not sure why that surprises me. I know it shouldn't, but...

Eaton wants a 470,000-square foot development, with preliminary designs spreading the space between a 10-story high rise and a four-story structure, said Ken Semelsberger, vice president of finance and planning in the industrial division.

 

I thought they were moving to the suburbs because they needed a campus.  That's a campus?  Two buildings?

 

I thought they were moving to the suburbs because they needed a campus. That's a campus? Two buildings?

 

Of course they're a half-mile apart with a sea of surface parking lots between them. JK, I really don't know -- but I'm allowed to have me skepticisms.

It could be worse.  Look at what happened with NCR in Dayton.  I try and find the good in anything, even this, and as much as it stinks that they are out of downtown, at least they are still in Cleveland.

It could be worse. Look at what happened with NCR in Dayton. I try and find the good in anything, even this, and as much as it stinks that they are out of downtown, at least they are still in Cleveland.

 

Not Cleveland... the metro area, yes.  But not the City proper.  Although I do believe that Cleveland has some ownership interest in the land, correct?

I believe they get a 50% take of taxes in chagrin highlands.

This isn't about impressing dignataries, this is about my drive from Chesterland is too far.

 

Exactly.

 

Cuyahoga County Auditor is your friend:

 

CUTLER ALEXANDER M & SARAH S

ADDRESS 01860 BERKSHIRE RD

CITY GATES MILLS

ZIP 44040

 

FEARON, RICHARD H 

ADDRESS 6127 CHAGRIN RIVER RD

CITY BENTLEYVILLE

ZIP 44022

 

Poor Craig Arnold (from Bratenahl) got outvoted 2-1.  The other guy on the Leadership page, Thomas Gross, is based in Raleigh, NC.

To determine where a fortune 500 company is located by its adjacency to anyone's respective McMansion is one of the most ludicrous things I've ever heard.  But I believe it.

"Eaton Corp; positioning itself for the next 4 years," should be their new marketing slogan.  Great job, go to hell.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=1860+Berkshire+Rd,+Gates+Mills,+OH+44040&daddr=Auburn+Dr&geocode=FfxgeQIdTrwl-w%3BFbSNeAIdzH0k-w&hl=en&gl=us&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=14&sll=41.440925,-81.482935&sspn=0.047227,0.11158&ie=UTF8&ll=41.455464,-81.461391&spn=0.047216,0.11158&t=h&z=14

 

approx. 15 minute drive

I'm just sick of all this corporate welfare. If they want to move to the suburbs, fine, just don't take our tax dollars to do it.

 

I agree, anyone know who you should write to to complain. (other than the obvious). 

Ralph Nader

Roldo Bartolimo.  No wait, he only complains about corporate welfare when it benefits Downtown.

Sadly, Eaton's like too many corporate local citizens that could barely give a damn about Cleveland... 'scuse me, we should be grateful they didn't bolt the region entirely.

Roldo Bartolimo. No wait, he only complains about corporate welfare when it benefits Downtown.

 

I sometimes wonder whether Roldo's funded by the Medina County chamber of commerce.

Better this than nothing. FEB was great for us urban lovers, but it was ultimately the choice of Eaton where they want to build a new campus. NE Ohio, and more importantly, Cuyahoga County has retained a Fortune 500 company. Yes, it sucks Cleveland is losing them and it also sucks that FEB won't be the site, but at least they didn't leave the region altogether like Office Max and others have. Ultimately, for our entire combined metropolitan region and economy, it's absolutely critical that NE Ohio retains (and hopefully attracts) Fortune 500's whether it's Cleveland, Akron, Canton, Youngstown, the suburbs, or some exurb.

 

The Chagrin Highlands was planned many years ago and I am sure Eaton, UH, and several others have been preparing to build there since the mid- to late-90's. Beachwood and the powers to be don't talk up development, they DO it. There's a reason I-271 received a Harvard Exit with 6 lanes, only .5 miles from Chagrin. Beachwood also has intelligent and powerful people on council and calling the shots - people who know how to make things happen in THEIR CITY, regardless of how it will effect Cleveland or the region. Their #1 priority: Make Beachwood #1 and whether we like it or not, they win again - the previous chapter in the book was the Jewish Federation.

^well leadership...or... they are flush with cash and use it to poach from others which gives them more cash.  I mean we're talking about a municipality that buys harley davdidsons with taxpayer money.  It's not that hard to DO things when you can offer more money than anyone else can even consider... Beachwood.  The number 1 example of why regionalism is needed.

 

25 years ago "Beachwood" was Cleveland Heights / University Heights (flush with cash, and NO WAY could we ever go into decline).  When they were fully built out... Beachwood was the next stop on the sprawl express.

Yes, agreed about the regionalism, but Beachwood is flush with cash because of their leadership. They aren't flush with cash because God was nice to Beachwood. Until regionalism or annexation occurs in Cuyahoga County, every city, all 52 or so, want a piece of the pie. I don't blame Beachwood, because it wasn't today's leader's who decided to make 52 municipalities in Cuyahoga County. I also don't blame Lyndhurst for taking a piece of Beachwood's pie with Legacy Village. But at that rate, it's time we stop having 52 police chief's, 52 councils, 52 mayor's, and begin sharing tax revenue so as to first and foremost help Cleveland because ultimately, if anyone truly cares about the long-term future, our current ways with 10 or so suburbs pushing and shoving to be #1, 10 or so not giving a damn that they're on the fringe of a meltdown, and a key center city sitting in the middle of this crap getting shafted time and time again, our entire region will lose.

agreed.  And your right god didn't smile on Beachwood, they didn't set up the system (i think it's actually a ridiculous 59 cities / townships / villages in Cuyahoga county), and they play the game well... But they also benefited (big time) from being in the right place at the right time with sprawl, which is every bit as large a factor as "leadership".  The inner rings inside of them were fully built out with housing and some traditional commercial corridors.  Beachwood was flush with greenspace and multiple exits on the highway... which led to to the things I hate most in life.  Single use sectors.  Office parks like we had never seen, malls, shopping plazas, stand alone chain restaurants, all surrounded by seas of surface parking lots.  They gained a ridiculous amount of class A office space.  There's still plenty of greenfield left to develop for more office parks.  But again, what happens in 25 years when there is no more room to develop.  When they are fully built out.  When the offices are no longer new class a space.  When not only are the homes older but the inner ring fleeing has reached their homes and "undesireable" people are moving in.... I'll tell you what happens, office parks start REALLY ramping up in Solon, and they are the new Beachwood.  And ever so slowly their tax base declines.  Welcome to non regional cities with no cohesive planning method.  If we do not at some point come together regionally, eventually beachwood will suffer the same fate as all the cities inside of them and eventually... we will just be a giant non-vibrant collection string of "cities" that are nothing more than a collection of random ugly buildings inside parking lots.

Just to piss in our cheerios some more...however I don't quite understand the connection here:

 

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2009/06/cleveland_port_authority_appro.html

 

Cleveland port authority approves financing deal for Eaton Corp. move

by Tom Breckenridge/Plain Dealer Reporter

Tuesday June 23, 2009, 10:32 AM

 

The Cleveland port authority will help finance the $170 million world headquarters for the Eaton Corp., despite 11th-hour criticism of the global company's move from downtown Cleveland to Beachwood.

 

The Cleveland-Cuyahoga County Port Authority voted unanimously Tuesday morning to issue bonds to buy land and build Eaton's planned, 470,000-square-foot headquarters in Chagrin Higlands, west of Interstate 271 and north of Harvard Avenue.

 

Under the complicated deals, new property tax flowing from the improved, 53-acre site will pay for the $22 million land buy. The port will own the headquarters, with Eaton making lease payments to cover up to $150 million in taxable bonds to build and equip the headquarters, which will include a 700-car garage...

a 700 car garage for 440 employees :wtf:

Just to piss in our cheerios some more...however I don't quite understand the connection here:

 

MMMM Yellow Milk. 

 

Don't forget to include the Port Authority with the 52 municipalities when describing the clusterf$%^ that is Cuyahoga County.

a 700 car garage for 440 employees :wtf:

 

Either it would be for workforce expansion or for sharing with another future user (probably relocating from downtown of course). 

I could be wrong here, but I seem to remember some talk that it would not only be the 400 downtown employees moving to Chagrin Highlands.  Eaton has 75,000 employees worldwide.

I could be wrong here, but I seem to remember some talk that it would not only be the 400 downtown employees moving to Chagrin Highlands. Eaton has 75,000 employees worldwide.

 

Does anyone know if their footprint allows for expansion? As long as they're in the region, I'd like to see them grow as much as possible.

 

I wonder how strong the Charlotte bid for Eaton was.

I believe they have 1,900 in greater cleveland, but I believe a good amount of those are at manufacturing facilities (brook park?)

Wasn't one of the motivating factors of having a "campus" setting so that Eaton could consolidate some R&D in the same location as its Corporate HQs?

 

 

Eaton Corp. shares rendering of planned Beachwood headquarters with workers

By DAN SHINGLER

4:09 pm, February 11, 2010

 

Eaton Corp. shared a rendering of its planned Beachwood headquarters with its employees today, giving a first glimpse of the 470,000-square-foot structure that the company says it will begin building in early 2011.

 

I liked this "Executives in the highest of the building's 10 floors are to have views of downtown Cleveland and Lake Erie."  Oh views... but not from downtown..

 

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20100211/FREE/100219931#

 

 

 

Rendering of Eaton Corp.'s planned Beachwood headquarters.

 

Beautiful.

^for some reason it looks evil to me.

They said they wanted a campus....... 

 

It says in the article that the top floor execs will have views of downtown Cleveland and the lake......  Ummm, pretty sure you got much better ones right now guys.

They ended up closing on a deal that gives them somewhere in the neighborhood of 53 acres of land.  The deal they were working on in the flats would have been aproximately 9 acres.  Now take a look at that rendering, and ask yourself how seriously they were really considering downtown. :roll:

View of downtown from Chagrin Highlands? Yeeeeah - not really one worth mentioning.

View of downtown from Chagrin Highlands? Yeeeeah - not really one worth mentioning.

 

But who needs a real view of the lake when you have such a beautiful natural-looking perfectly chlorinated body of water right outside your office?

Kind of looks like Cobra Headquarters from the cartoon

 

If you look closely, you can see some Eaton employees cruising each other by the pond.

Kind of looks like Cobra Headquarters from the cartoon

 

If you look closely, you can see some Eaton employees cruising each other by the pond.

 

 

:laugh:

 

***

 

thanks for the link willyb -- i've been morbidly waiting to see the rendering for this. not unexpected of course, but really could that campus be more bland and mass transit unfriendly?  :whip:

 

 

All it needs are some Bellagio-style fountains for the pond...

 

View of downtown from Chagrin Highlands? Yeeeeah - not really one worth mentioning.

 

While I agree in sentiment, its not a bad view.  For those of you who would like a glimpse, try heading West on Harvard... the stretch from Richmond to Green and Green to Northfield gives you a nice if not panned out view of DT... just sayin.

I'm sure they could have thought of something just as nice to put downtown...

Barf...they can't be serious.

The land looks nice...But what is that disgusting glass mammoth in the background?