June 6, 200817 yr I'm typing this while i'm waiting for greyhound STILL to pick up. Being the broke person I am and given the fact that I got rid of my car, I rely on MEGABUS and Greyhound to get to Columbus. You know, I always wondered what it would be like to enter into an alternate reality. Then my dream came true last weekend when I took a greyhound out of Cincinnati. The station had a sweet aroma of malt liquor. There were a few homeless people, one a teenager, passed out on the floor. Then about 10 Amish people came into the station! They all looked exactly the same; not just their outfits but their genetics. Then it occurred to me, if you live in a small community of Amish people, there's inevitably going to be massive inbreeding. Someone asked me if my line was the one for Detroit, I told them no this is for Columbus then the woman in front of me was sitting on the floor with her screaming baby and screamed at me saying "no this is the one for Detroit!' I said I just bought my ticket, I'm pretty sure my information is up to date. It turns out they screwed up the Detroit route and told people the wrong gate or something. I have a love/hate relationship with Greyhound. The food is ridiculously overpriced, the people are strange as f*ck, there's no security, it's one of the few places left in this universe with payphones, etc. On the other hand, where else can you go to experience that? I still much prefer Megabus. I was surprised that the tickets are like half hte price, sometimes even less, the drivers are really cool, the buses are clean and have flatscreens, and all they require when you get on the bus is a reservation number. It makes me think all public transportation should be privatized. I'm not too picky though, as long as I can get from point A to B on time, it doesn't bother me but damn Greyhound is definitely a unique experience. Once I arrived in Columbus at 4am some black dude with a new york accent talked to me outside the station on Town St. and offered me a 40oz bottle of Steel reserve but I declined the offer because I'm not dumb enough to drink in public. It was still a nice jesture though.
June 6, 200817 yr Greyhound is the other example of what privatization can do for transportation. Fort Wayne is approximately 150 miles from Chicago, straight up US 30, and we used to have about five daily round trips that made the run that way, plus a locally operated O'Hare Express that ran direct to the airport in about 3 1/2 hours. Now there are two, and neither uses the direct route. One goes via South Bend, maybe 40 miles out of the way, and the other goes by way of - get this - Toledo - with a layover there to change buses. It goes 100 miles east (1 hour 55) plus 1:05 layover to connect with a bus going west to Chicago. Total time, Fort Wayne to Chicago, is 8:45. Fare is $45 one way. Even a slowpoke like me can drive it in less than 4. Of course, I'd miss the layover in the Toledo station. The last I knew, it was really lovely.
June 6, 200817 yr Yeah I only rode it twice but Ive heard a lot of complaints about them screwing routes up. I love Megabus!
June 6, 200817 yr Greyhound wanted me to go from Lexington, KY to Ashland, KY via Cincinnati, Columbus and then Chillicothe -- THREE layovers on an eight-hour tour of the state of Ohio. All for what is a two-hour drive east via auto.
June 6, 200817 yr I've ridden Greyhound over 30 times, a few trips that exceeded 24 hours. There are almost always Amish people in every station and on almost every bus and they always ride in the first three rows. Also in defense of Greyhound, if you order tickets 7 or 14 days ahead of time, you get a huge discount, usually around 50%. For example you can go round trip from anywhere in Ohio to NYC for under $100 which is a great value. The big advantage of Greyhound over flying is that if you don't have a set travel itinerary you can leave where you are at almost any time of day or night and come back. Greyhound's stations are typically painful, and most have not a single functioning storage locker. I've been to dozens of Greyhound stations and the worst is in Montgomery, AL. I had six hour layovers there numerous times when I worked as a deckhand out of Mobile. In Montgomery there were typically people smoking marijuana in the station and on the front steps. Then you had guys come up to you advertising girls in the various hotels on the strip. The first time I went there I set out on foot for a newspaper (or something at all to read, since I had nothing and there weren't any TV's in the station) and walked at least a mile in each direction and hit up at least 5 gas stations and none of them had newspapers or even carried them. Because people in Montgomery, AL don't know how to read. Rob, your Toledo detour reminds me of the Pittsburgh > Washington, DC route. You actually go to Baltimore before going to Washington! Station rundown: New Orleans: art deco, also the Amtrak station Baton Rouge: small, nondescript Mobile: small, 80's vintage, on a suburban strip well outside town Montgomery: small, 80's vintage, on a suburban strip Birmingham: art deco, similar to Cleveland's Atlanta: early 90's vintage, underneath MARTA station, totally overcrowded and irritating Nashville: 70's vintage, next to numerous strip clubs, totally overcrowded Knoxville: art deco, small, particularly sleazy Lexington: suburban, next to strip club Louisville: 70's vintage, has extremely annoying video games with repeating sounds and chimes Cincinnati: 70's vintage, outside of walking distance to anything practical Dayton: I've been to it but I can't remember Columbus: 70's vintage, usually not too crowded, frequent confrontations between security and homeless Chicago: 80's vintage, overcrowded, lots of Amish Ft. Wayne: Extremely small, within walking distance of a Burger King Athens, OH: they use a family restaurant as the station Athens, AL: they use a prefab backyard shed as the station (seriously) Cleveland: one of the better art deco interiors, but with a very cluttered loading and unloading New York Port Authority: totally terrible Boston Bus Terminal: built around 2000, probably the cleanest and most pleasant bus terminal in the country Washington, DC: right by union station and the new NY Ave. metro station Baltimore: small, annoying, annoying people Pittsburgh: underneath an expressway similar to Atlanta, typically uncomfortable As part of the "New Greyhound" promo, in 2007 they installed flat screen TV's in a lot of the stations but of course typically put them in stupid places in the stations.
June 6, 200817 yr [...] Ft. Wayne: Extremely small, within walking distance of a Burger King [...] ... and right across the street from the 412 Club. The 412 used to have really good Mexican food until the cook left to start his own place east of town. I haven't been in there since. I think it's just a karaoke dive now. The 412 building used to house Krull's hobby shop, one of the fabulous old-school hobby shops from the fifties that sold Lionel trains and Revell model car kits and just about everything else a geeky kid could go nuts over. The present Greyhound Station used to be a gas station, back in the day when gas stations still had service bays where they could change oil and tune up cars. Greyhound used to be in one of those wonderful Deco blue-tile depots with the glass-block windows and canopied bus bays on Jefferson west of Harrison, right by the downtown hotels and restaurants that no longer exist. Trailways was next door, and the railroad station was a short walk away. After Greyhound moved out, some lawyers bought the building and the rather grand Knights of Columbus building next door. To avoid a battle with preservationists they staged a weekend midnight raid, having a demolition contractor come in late on a Saturday night. By Sunday morning everything was flattened. It was a parking lot for quite a few years. The site is now part of Harrison Square where the ball park is going in and a Hilton Gardens Hotel will be built. Amish people aren't suppose to do that. That's cheating! Amish people can travel just about any way they please, except that they don't drive cars (or fly airplanes, I suppose). They travel by car, by bus, by train, by air, and I suppose by ship if necessary. I've seen Amish families riding tourist trains like Ohio Central, and I've seen Amish kids on carnival rides. Some Amish construction crews even buy vans, and then hire English (their term for non-Amish) to drive them. One of the fanciest, hottest country dancers I've seen was a very handsome young Amish guy at a small festival where there was a pretty good local band playing. He was dancing with the young woman who had driven the group to the event, and they were both just amazing. After a short time most of the other people just cleared the floor to watch. The older-generation family members were having a good time watching the show, smiling and laughing. That group was from up north, around Lagrange, I think. You wouldn't see the old-order Amish from my neck of the woods participating in such shenanigans, at least at a public venue.
June 6, 200817 yr Amish folks do a lot of things that we "think" they aren't suppose to do. I saw some on a cruise ship. They love volleyball.
June 6, 200817 yr Amish folks do a lot of things that we "think" they aren't suppose to do. I saw some on a cruise ship. They love volleyball. We are probably confusing Amish with the Mennonites. Broad sweeping generalization is that while Mennonites will not directly use modern technology, they will allow the use of it (i.e. taxi, greyhound). However, we also have to understand that whatever olde timey society we are talking about, there are large variations within since the community largely determines norms. I.e., The community in Sharon doesn't talk to the community in Sharon Creek, so they might end up with slightly different interpretation and rules to live by.
June 6, 200817 yr Amish folks do a lot of things that we "think" they aren't suppose to do. I saw some on a cruise ship. They love volleyball. We are probably confusing Amish with the Mennonites. Broad sweeping generalization is that while Mennonites will not directly use modern technology, they will allow the use of it (i.e. taxi, greyhound). However, we also have to understand that whatever olde timey society we are talking about, there are large variations within since the community largely determines norms. I.e., The community in Sharon doesn't talk to the community in Sharon Creek, so they might end up with slightly different interpretation and rules to live by. Ahhh....thanks for the explanation Pope. I honestly do not know the difference.
June 6, 200817 yr I grew up around a Mennonite community in upsate NY (Hutterian Bruderhof), and while their clothes were similar in appearance to the Amish (boys wore overalls, and the wide brim straw hats, girls wore skirts and head scarves...only everything was shaded blue vs. black). Anyway, the Mennonites (particularly this community) drove cars, used phones, and electricity. Their primary source of revenue was in selling toys that they hand crafted. Pretty neat stuff, actually. Nicest people in the world, and they wouldn't hurt a fly, which is why I was so upset when Dateline NBC, or some other TV newsrag decided to smear them as a cult shortly after the whole Hale Bott Comet fiasco. I've used Amish contractors for some home renovations, and they'll hire someone to drive a van and transport them to and from locations. That van driver (non-Amish) typically has a phone and will use it on their behalf, even if they won't use it directly.
June 6, 200817 yr I grew up just inside the edge of a large Amish area, near Berne, Indiana. In that area there are three major anabaptist groups, the Amish, Mennonites and Apostolic Christians. The Mennonites and Apostolic Christians all use modern technology freely, and to see them on the street you wouldn't pick them out from anyone else except for the way most of the Apostolic women wear their hair up on top of their heads. Engage in much conversation, and you'd probably pick up on it soon enough, because their very devout religious beliefs permeate every aspect of their lives. Not that they'd talk down to you or try to convert you, but you'd soon be aware of the difference in their outlook. An Apostolic family has rented our farmland going into the third generation, now, and I can't think of anyone I'd rather deal with in terms of work ethic, honesty and taking care of the land. That doesn't mean all the Apostolics conform to those standards, though. One family held the local John Deere franchise for many years, until they got caught fudging the numbers in a company trade-in incentive program and skimming ten thousand here and ten thousand there. Do that very much and soon you're talking real money. John Deere prosecuted and sued for recovery, and the dealer went out of business. Someone else has the franchise now. Every group has its bad apples. The Apostolic Christians have in recent years become more and more averse to public schooling in the area, and have set up their own Christian academies. I think they prefer that to home-schooling, and they have a large enough community to support decent-sized schools of their own. The Amish in that area, on the other hand are readily identifiable. They're pretty strict and austere and all wear black or dark blue garb, and unlike the Amish in some other parts of the state, they travel in open buggies year-around. In the dead of winter you'll see them going down the road in their open buggies, sometimes using very large black umbrellas as shields against the icy wind.
June 6, 200817 yr Amish folks do a lot of things that we "think" they aren't suppose to do. I saw some on a cruise ship. They love volleyball. I never knew the Amish liked cruises. That actually surprises me.
June 6, 200817 yr I lived in a really small town in Ohio for 6 months when I was like 12. I remember Amish people buying stuff from the convenience store. I'm too much of a free spirit to be isolated from society at large, in a small community like that. I'd feel like I was being arrested in my development. We probably make a big mistake in thinking that their primitive lifestyle is inferior and that they don't know what they're missing. They are the few true craftsmen left. They get the satisfaction of designing stuff from beginning to end and can take pride in what they do well. Satisfaction most of us will never get from our bureaucratic jobs that other people inevitably have some control over and where deadlines and quotas mean sacrificing quality.
June 7, 200817 yr to clarify, here are some things (informed? I don't know) I heard abut Amish: no electricity no land line phone, oddly cell ok (where do you charge it though?) you can't drive, but being driven is OK. So I guess the cruise ship works
June 7, 200817 yr ^ In some places, their homes are required to have electricity by code if it was built after codes went into place. It's just that they shut off the power.
June 9, 200817 yr what is this, the amish experience? Anyway, the megabus from Cleveland to Chicago and back is WONDERFUL and cheap and I can't believe it's not packed daily (there have been times where it's been just me and the driver, no joke).
June 9, 200817 yr I don't know that much about Amish/Mennonites . . . though one of my history profs at Toledo was a lapsed Mennonite (he was a Bluffton College grad which is a Mennonite school). Dayton's is right off 75 near their local bus terminal. Oshkosh, Wisconsin is also a airport/Greyhound terminal (i was flying not riding).
June 9, 200817 yr My question is: Why would anyone ever ride the Greyhound between the larger Midwestern cities? Of course I'm referring only to routes that Megabus currently serves. I know the advantage of Greyhound is its depots (I guess) and being able to buy tickets on the spot. I also understand that Megabus' limitation is credit card and online only. However, anyone with a library card (and CC, of course) can log on for a few minutes, reserve a trip, and pay dozens of dollars less. Plus, unlike discounter airlines in comparison to more comfortable airline giant flights, I'd say Megabus is first-class compared to Greyhound. And it costs less. Any feedback? Sorry if any of that came off as me being haughty. I'm just curious and somewhat baffled that megabus trips don't always sell out.
June 9, 200817 yr what is this, the amish experience? Anyway, the megabus from Cleveland to Chicago and back is WONDERFUL and cheap and I can't believe it's not packed daily (there have been times where it's been just me and the driver, no joke). Maybe it's you? :|
June 9, 200817 yr According to a Megabus press release, the Cleveland - Chicago run is sometimes their second-busiest route, behind the Chicago - Minneapolis route. They said sometimes the Chicago - Detroit route comes in second, again trailing the Minneapolis route. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 9, 200817 yr Nah man, I'm sick of seeing the unique character of my threads dissipate with these mergers/acquisitions. This thread is about the culture of public bus transportation.
August 8, 200816 yr I completely forgot about this thread... I went to Chicago last weekend via the megabus. There were a surprising number of people going to Chicago (at least compared to my previous experiences) and it must have been packed to full occupancy on the way back due to the lollapalooza weekend. Going to Chicago was fine. The bus came early, everyone was cheerful, the driver was very nice, and we got to Chicago maybe 30 minutes late (which honestly isn't that bad). My only slight complaint - and this didn't bother me - was that the driver showed Gladiator on the bus despite there being a few preteens. I'm not one for censorship but these kids were too young for that kind of film; their mom didn't seem to care, however, so it's not that much of an issue for me. Going back to Cleveland was...problematic. We didn't get going until an hour+ after our intended departure due to a passenger getting on the wrong bus and our having to wait for her bus to return. Additionally, we took a break within an hour of driving that lasted 20-25 minutes (even though the driver said it would only take 15). This actually happened again later on as after the Toledo stop we took an alleged 15 minute break that really lasted quite a bit longer. Whatever. The only really unacceptable thing was at one of the tolls, it turned out the bus was too heavy for that specific lane so it had to U-turn TWICE (two 180s) so that we could get on the right lane. It may not sound like a big deal but we had to U-turn twice ONTO oncoming traffic in a huge double decker bus, and everyone was very nervous (no joke - these buses are truly not meant to turn 180s, especially into oncoming traffic). I was sitting in the front top and could hear the bus driver complain to the bitchy toll operator about how dangerous this was, yet she kept insisting he do it to get onto the proper lane. It put the driver in a bad situation, but he should have refused to do so, gotten in touch with her and his supervisor or whatever, and explain these buses...CAN...NOT..U..TURN, and especially into oncoming traffic. And so we got back to Cleveland two hours late, and I missed the last train going to Shaker/Green by about 5 minutes. Yippee. Overall, a 6/10 experience.
August 10, 200816 yr Bus travel bounces back as airfare, gas prices soar Sunday, August 10, 2008 3:48 AM By Samantha Bomkamp ASSOCIATED PRESS NEW YORK -- It's a tale of two cities: Nikita Bernstein, 29, a dyed-in-the-wool New Yorker with a business in Boston, was in need of a cheap way to travel between his two homes. And a place to plug in his laptop, store his bike and stretch his legs along the way. http://dispatch.com/live/content/business/stories/2008/08/10/travel_-_cheap_buses.ART_ART_08-10-08_D6_4BAVQ7A.html?sid=101
August 10, 200816 yr This is a crucial time for Greyhound to invest some dough and clean up their act....carriers like BoltBus and MegaBus, who are getting it right and learning from their mistakes, are going to dominate the US market soon if Greyhound does not change itself to appeal to more people.
August 10, 200816 yr I took Megabus once from Chicago to Cleveland. It was not a good experience. However, I'd try it again. The bus itself was definitely nicer than Greyhound buses .. But apparently, when they refueled the bus, the person forgot to put the cap back on, and the smell of fuel filled the coach. It was really, really awful .. and I'm sensitive to strong smells, so it made me nauseous and gave me a bad headache. The driver gave us an option: either wait for another bus to come by or keep going and save an hour. We chose to keep going, but it was more or less torture. Having said that, I would still give them a chance. The service was otherwise really good, and you can't beat the price. It's crazy cheap.
August 10, 200816 yr I took Megabus once from Chicago to Cleveland. It was not a good experience. However, I'd try it again. The bus itself was definitely nicer than Greyhound buses .. But apparently, when they refueled the bus, the person forgot to put the cap back on, and the smell of fuel filled the coach. It was really, really awful .. and I'm sensitive to strong smells, so it made me nauseous and gave me a bad headache. The driver gave us an option: either wait for another bus to come by or keep going and save an hour. We chose to keep going, but it was more or less torture. Having said that, I would still give them a chance. The service was otherwise really good, and you can't beat the price. It's crazy cheap. I wonder, if something like that happens - will Megabus give you a refund or free ticket if you call customer service. Another thing I like about Megabus is the customer service. When I rode Greyhound, I kept calling the station and they never even picked up the phone.
August 11, 200816 yr I wish the Megabus took Clevanders to more places. I recall it used to have a Columbus stop. I predict it would be PACKED if there were Boston and New York stops, GUARANTEE. There are so many (Greater) Clevelanders in those cities and they'd love an easier means to get back and forth other than flying (too damn expensive and annoying), Amtrak (way too expensive and time consuming), driving (screw that), and Greyhound (I've yet to have a good experience there)
August 11, 200816 yr In case anyone's wondering, Greyhound has significantly raised their rates in the past year, especially for trips out west, making Amtrak a lot more competitive. It's now actually cheaper to take Amtrak from Cincinnati to Los Angeles ($350) than Greyhound ($400), and I'd much rather be on a train for that trip. Flying is about $550 right now, and obviously if you aren't on salary it's probably cheaper to fly if you will be making money what would have been Amtrak travel days.
August 12, 200816 yr are those train and bus trip prices round trip? Many people would probably prefer go to a truck stop and turn tricks for a plane ticket to LA before taking the hound from OH to LA.
August 20, 200816 yr Greyhound rejects bus stop By T.W. ALLEN PDT Staff Writer Published: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:27 PM CDT Efforts to bring limited Greyhound bus service back to Portsmouth have gone for naught, at least for the foreseeable future. Greyhound officials said Tuesday a Portsmouth stop for the bus line is out of the question at this point in time, saying the proposal is not financially feasible. http://www.portsmouth-dailytimes.com/articles/2008/08/19/news/1news_greyhound.txt
August 25, 200816 yr Safety concerns All kinds come and go at bus depot Monday, August 25, 2008 3:08 AM By Elizabeth Gibson THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH Bus hubs are a nexus of people from all sorts of backgrounds. College students en route to school, salesmen out for business, Amish from Pennsylvania traveling to a funeral and women visiting their grandchildren all congregate in the same row of chairs at the Columbus Greyhound terminal. http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/08/25/greyhound.ART_ART_08-25-08_A1_DTB4K4J.html?sid=101
September 30, 200816 yr While my round trip from Cleveland to Chicago was uneventful (and even pleasant) last weekend, I heard a few unsettling stories from my neighbors on the bus. I left Friday early AM with wife and 11 month old. There were several other families and a broad array of other passengers. The bus was full, but not to capacity. We watched two animated films on the way out and two more movies on the way back. The issues I heard of included a Friday evening bus (an Urban Ohioan was on it) that ran out of gas 30 minutes from Chicago (WTF???) and a bus leaving a rest stop with 5 passengers running after it and refusing to stop (not sure when this happened exactly). It sounds like you can get lucky with your driver or get really UN-lucky. I was lucky (whew!).
September 30, 200816 yr getting left at the rest area would be horrible, as it in Indiana-middle of nowhere. Still it bothers me that people are so rude as to not get on the bus as scheduled. I am very OCD about these things. I have actually herded fellow passengers unwrapping a food item at a table a couple minutes before departure back on the bus with the threat that "they do not take a head count, so you better get on". :whip: IMO Mega bus has a 50% chance of being pleasant, 25% below average, 25% terrible. Not bad for those prices
October 1, 200816 yr Still it bothers me that people are so rude as to not get on the bus as scheduled. I am very OCD about these things. I have actually herded fellow passengers unwrapping a food item at a table a couple minutes before departure back on the bus with the threat that "they do not take a head count, so you better get on". :whip: IMO Mega bus has a 50% chance of being pleasant, 25% below average, 25% terrible. Not bad for those prices I would definitely agree with the former, although I've never witnessed anyone being stubborn about getting on the bus on time. The driver has always made it clear when he or she would be leaving. I've had a couple crappy experiences, but only very late buses. That can happen with a train or a plane though. There's no reason to drive or fly to Chicago for the prices you pay for Megabus.
October 1, 200816 yr There's no reason to drive or fly to Chicago for the prices you pay for Megabus. Umm yes there is. TIME! Time is money!
October 1, 200816 yr There's no reason to drive or fly to Chicago for the prices you pay for Megabus. Umm yes there is. TIME! Time is money! I wouldn't disagree with that, but I'm usually not heading to Chicago on business. In my opinion, it's easy to just head there in the later afternoon or overnight period. I would say that money costs you the ability to spend your time doing things you'd rather do while there. So I prefer a low ticket price so that money can go toward transit, food, and lodging costs. All would be compromised if I flew out of Cincinnati to Chicago. I no longer have a car, by choice, so driving to Dayton is not an option. I did ride MegaBus to Indy and then flew out to Erie, PA though, because the net savings was over $200.
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October 1, 200816 yr I wouldn't disagree with that, but I'm usually not heading to Chicago on business. In my opinion, it's easy to just head there in the later afternoon or overnight period. I would say that money costs you the ability to spend your time doing things you'd rather do while there. So I prefer a low ticket price so that money can go toward transit, food, and lodging costs. All would be compromised if I flew out of Cincinnati to Chicago. I no longer have a car, by choice, so driving to Dayton is not an option. I did ride MegaBus to Indy and then flew out to Erie, PA though, because the net savings was over $200. I need to be on a plane, regardless if this is leisure or business. The bus appears to make to many stops for my taste and and I have concerns over the cleanliness of the bus and the places of where it stops. On top of that I have a comfort issue as those seats seem like they would be "tight" for someone my size.
October 1, 200816 yr I wouldn't disagree with that, but I'm usually not heading to Chicago on business. In my opinion, it's easy to just head there in the later afternoon or overnight period. I would say that money costs you the ability to spend your time doing things you'd rather do while there. So I prefer a low ticket price so that money can go toward transit, food, and lodging costs. All would be compromised if I flew out of Cincinnati to Chicago. I no longer have a car, by choice, so driving to Dayton is not an option. I did ride MegaBus to Indy and then flew out to Erie, PA though, because the net savings was over $200. I need to be on a plane, regardless if this is leisure or business. The bus appears to make to many stops for my taste and and I have concerns over the cleanliness of the bus and the places of where it stops. On top of that I have a comfort issue as those seats seem like they would be "tight" for someone my size. One stop between Cincinnati and Chicago is too many? Heck, it only stops for about 10 minutes max. Perhaps you're referring to Greyhound, but I've never seen an issue with cleanliness or safety of the stops. Perhaps the last point holds something, but I'd say they're comparable with the space you have on an airflight. I will say that the amount of leg and overall room you get on an Amtrak train wins hands down.
October 1, 200816 yr There's no reason to drive or fly to Chicago for the prices you pay for Megabus. Umm yes there is. TIME! Time is money! Let me try it in a way that Mayday won't consider ignorant. Many on OU who promote public transportation do not feel that time is money. It appears their time is not important to them as they will wait extremely long times to catch trains and buses to get to their destination.
October 1, 200816 yr "Let me try it in a way that Mayday won't consider ignorant. Many on OU who promote public transportation do not feel that time is money. It appears their time is not important to them as they will wait extremely long times to catch trains and buses to get to their destination." No, that's still pretty ignorant but in a completely different manner. Also - "OU"? :roll: clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
October 1, 200816 yr There's no reason to drive or fly to Chicago for the prices you pay for Megabus. Umm yes there is. TIME! Time is money! Let me try it in a way that Mayday won't consider ignorant. Many on OU who promote public transportation do not feel that time is money. It appears their time is not important to them as they will wait extremely long times to catch trains and buses to get to their destination. I still don't know how you came to that conclusion, and it appears that you may be bitter about something else.
October 1, 200816 yr its the C-dawg influence!!! Seriously tho, I don't appreciate the ignorant comment. I still don't know how you came to that conclusion, and it appears that you may be bitter about something else. Really not bitter about public transportation. It is just an opinion I have after reading many comments on many threads on UO. Just appears to me that their time doesn't mean that much to them if they will wait that long for buses, trains, or connections. I'm not judging them. Just an observation.
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