Here are the 2007-2008 Top 10 ranking for the Ohio school districts

 

 

District Ranking                              Performance Index      Enrollment      Cost Per Pupil

 

1. Ottawa Hills  (Toledo Metro)            109.7                            952          $13,342

2. Solon  (Cleveland Metro)                109.1                          5,253          $11,373

3. Wyoming  (Cincinnati Metro)          109                            1,964            $10,677

4. Mason  (Cincinnati Metro)              108.8                        10,158            $9,335

5. Indian Hill    (Cincinnati Metro)        108.7                          2,163          $13,378

6. Miller City  (Near Findlay, Ohio)      108.2                            469            $8,242

7. Chagrin Falls  (Cleveland Metro)      108.1                          1,922            $11,326

8. Sycamore  (Cincinnati Metro)          108.1                          5,480            $13,024

9. Oakwood  (Dayton Metro)              107.8                          2,069            $9,444

10. Madeira  (Cincinnati Metro)          107.6                          1,389            $10,318

In 1954 the Supreme Court declared Separate was not equal

 

1. Ottawa Hills  1.2% African American

2. Solon  12.9% African American

3. Wyoming 11.4% African American

4. Mason  3.6% African American

5. Indian Hill 3.3% African American

6. Miller City 0.8% African American [Not actually given, but 98.4% White assume 50/50 split]

7. Chagrin Falls 0.8% African American

8. Sycamore  7.7% African American

9. Oakwood  1.0% African American

10. Madeira  1.2% African American

 

Top 10 Average 4.39% African American

 

Cincinnati Public Schools 70.9% African American

Cleveland Public 66.6% African American

Columbus Public 62% African American

Dayton 70.5% African American

Toledo 46.2% African American

Akron 48.9% African American

Youngstown 67.4% African American

 

 

 

I was surprised to learn that Columbus schools are so segregated.  I would imagine the school district is not coterminous with the city limits.

Interesting list...Where is North Royalton?

 

Honestly, Solon is pound for pound one of the best school districts in Ohio, if not the country.  Ask any teacher what school district they would want to work for OR send their kids to and Solon is always on that short list.  Great sports, facilities, extra curricular's, cost efficient, academics, student population.  As a teacher I always impressed by their school system.  Truly one of the best.

 

Congrat's Solon...

 

I honestly do not know anything about Chagrin Falls, anyone have any experience with them or any schools on this list?

In 1954 the Supreme Court declared Separate was not equal

 

1. Ottawa Hills 1.2% African American

2. Solon 12.9% African American

3. Wyoming 11.4% African American

4. Mason   3.6% African American

5. Indian Hill 3.3% African American

6. Miller City 0.8% African American [Not actually given, but 98.4% White assume 50/50 split]

7. Chagrin Falls 0.8% African American

8. Sycamore   7.7% African American

9. Oakwood 1.0% African American

10. Madeira 1.2% African American

 

Top 10 Average 4.39% African American

 

Cincinnati Public Schools 70.9% African American

Cleveland Public 66.6% African American

Columbus Public 62% African American

Dayton 70.5% African American

Toledo 46.2% African American

Akron 48.9% African American

Youngstown 67.4% African American

 

 

 

 

What do you suggest, then?

I think he's getting at more invested interest in urban areas for schools.

I am suggesting de-segregating our public schools

How do you do that when one of the biggest problems is that white and wealthier families enroll at private schools, not public?

I am suggesting de-segregating our public schools

 

A great suggestion, but how are you going to do that?

I am suggesting de-segregating our public schools

 

A great suggestion, but how are you going to do that?

 

Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do and they will surprise you with their ingenuity.

-Gen. George S. Patton

 

I am suggesting de-segregating our public schools

 

A great suggestion, but how are you going to do that?

 

Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do and they will surprise you with their ingenuity.

-Gen. George S. Patton

 

 

Desegregate our schools, Brad. :)

County-wide school districts, not that complicated, reduces the differential for property taxes, returns the middle to all school districts in the state.

 

Downside: exacerbates sprawl as places like Warren Cty and Delaware Cty (lacking A/A population) grow even more - Butler Cty has a decent sized A/A population.

 

While the point stands, I was somewhat surprised at the fact that a couple of the middle-class suburban cincy districts on the list have populations approaching the national level of A/A percentages.

IN Ohio, school districts are permitted to impose an additional income tax on their residents to help fund the schools.  Wyoming (Cincy suburb) does just that... I believe it has a 1% income tax just for school, in addition to the local income tax that helps fund the suburb and the usual property tax levels that mostly go to schools as well.

 

What role do you think local school income taxes play?  Do the others on the list have a local school-only income tax?

 

If a smaller city like Sandusky imposed a 1% income tax on its residents to supplement the city schools, would that make a difference in the quality of education, or are school districts constrained by the education/wealth of the families? (in which case, Sandusky would not benefit much from higher revenue)

 

I am suggesting de-segregating our public schools

 

The schools are already de-segragated... It's the communities that are segregated... by choice.  It's messed up but that's the way it is.  I've thought about the county wide many times before.  In theory it's great, it's the way it should have been set up a long time ago, I've seen it in place in other states and works great... I'm not sure it can work here, at least not without a lot of initial pain.  For instance, look at Cuyahoga County.  67.4% white.  Then look at the counties that surround it:

Lorain - 85.5% white

Medina - 97% white

Summit - 83.4% white

Portage - 94.6% white

Geauga - 97.5% white

Lake - 95.5% white

 

This is sad but my guess is true... If you went to a county wide school district you would see a mass exodus out of cuyahoga county.  White flight is still very much alive.

If you went to a Cuyahoga County-wide school district, does anyone think that parents in Strongsville would be "comfortable" sending their kids down to a school on Clark Ave, or that Solon students would suddenly be going to schools in Mount Pleasant?  The transportation costs alone would be staggering.  All it would do is cause private and charter schools to proliferate and exacerbate the flight to Geauga and Medina Counties.  That being said, I believe there are too many school districts (fiefdoms) in Ohio, and that some regional consolidation would be a good thing.  Why not combine Bay-Westlake, Rocky River-Fairview, N. Olmsted/Olm. Falls, etc.

If you went to a Cuyahoga County-wide school district, does anyone think that parents in Strongsville would be "comfortable" sending their kids down to a school on Clark Ave, or that Solon students would suddenly be going to schools in Mount Pleasant? The transportation costs alone would be staggering. All it would do is cause private and charter schools to proliferate and exacerbate the flight to Geauga and Medina Counties. That being said, I believe there are too many school districts (fiefdoms) in Ohio, and that some regional consolidation would be a good thing. Why not combine Bay-Westlake, Rocky River-Fairview, N. Olmsted/Olm. Falls, etc.

 

That pretty much is what should be done.  If you look at how our Original Townships were subdivided into villages, that I believe is where we started off wrong...many years ago at that.  This is true for Cincy and Cleveland.  For instance, take Dover Township in Cuyahoga County.  It was subdivided into the three villages of Westlake, North Olmsted and Bay Village.  Or Solon Township subdivided into Glenwillow, Solon, Benleyville.  Even Bedford Township subdivided into Bedford, Bedford Hts, Walton Hills, and Oakwood.  Compare this to Metro's such as Minneapolis.  Most of their suburbs are still the 25 sq mile townships that they started as (Eden Prarie, Minnetonka, Bloomington, Cottage Grove etc).  We don't necessarilly need to become one city all encompassing, but cutting down the amount of municipalities would help alot.  It simply created an overabundance of dollars spent on certain city services such as fire stations, police stations, mayors, council etc therefore taking funding away from the schools.

I agree... it's almost too late for a county wide district.  It's the way it should have been set up in the first place.  But it wasn't.  Taking that direction now would probably do more harm than good.

I am suggesting de-segregating our public schools

 

While de-segregating schools was a great and necessary idea, the problem was how they imposed this by forced busing.  It is what ruined American Cities across the country.  Schools are currently de-segregated.  I think the best way to fix school funding is to fix how funds are allocated.  Ohio needs to get rid of a property tax base funding and come up with a way to distribute state funds evenly per pupil.

I am suggesting de-segregating our public schools

 

While de-segregating schools in the was a great and necessary idea, the problem was how they imposed this by forced busing. It is what ruined American Cities across the country. Schools are currently de-segregated. I think the best way to fix school funding is to fix how funds are allocated. Ohio needs to get rid of a property tax base funding and come up with a way to distribute state funds evenly per pupil.

 

I think this makes a lot more sense than some sort of county wide system.

I agree... it's almost too late for a county wide district. It's the way it should have been set up in the first place. But it wasn't. Taking that direction now would probably do more harm than good.

 

Yep.  Also, it's the snobby mentality that people from Chagrin Falls like being Chagrin Falls people and don't want to be Solon people.  Or Rocky River, they are River people, not Lakewood people.  If put on a ballot, in my point of view it wouldn't pass.  People in Cuyahoga County love their suburb, but hate their county. 

No love for Columbus on the list.

Columbus' problem is clearly connected to the downward pressure that having all those OSU grads around produces.  :evil:

 

County-wide system doesn't necessarily imply widespread busing - in fact, with all the other stuff going on right now busing of any kind may quickly become a thing of the past - instead, it would reduce salience of boundary lines within counties. It would allow for easier distribution of equitable financing. It would help accelerate the return to the middle class to the core cities, since there would no longer be a compelling reason to live in a craptastic postwar suburb, when a 'city' middle class neighborhood could have as strong a school as possible.

 

I actually think this would work best with a more revolutionary change - widespread vouchers for all students - including religious schools, continued investment in high quality charter schools.

gotribe, the western reserve is oddball having 25 sq mi townships.  in states west of here, and elsewhere in ohio, the square townships are 36 sq mi.  you can see the difference here:  http://www.birdsofafeather1.com/maps/Ohio%20Township%20Maps.pdf  crossing into wayne county from medina, the townships are 36 sq mi.  take warren, MI, for example.  it's 6 x 6 with a donut hole removed (center line).  although it's a mostly intact former township, something like 4 school districts cover it, and i don't mean those anomalous little bits and pieces that may stick out from other districts.  (i'd find it on google earth, but it's glitching out for me.) 

 

here's a cool map of ohio school districts:  http://www.puc.state.oh.us/pucogis/statemap/sdist_e.pdf

 

here are some ideas for mergers that i think would cause little resistance:

 

wickliffe & willoughby-eastlake:  similar income, similarly low taxes due to industry, racially similar, the fact that wickliffe is the bite out of w-e in just the same way that parma hts is the bite out of parma.  reunite willoughby township.  outsiders just call all the Ws willoughby anyway.  (although someone i know from willoughby always looked down upon wickliffe)

 

beachwood, orange, chagrin falls, solon:  the we're-all-rich district.  there's probably not much impetus for these combining. 

 

parma & brooklyn:  not much difference crossing brookpark rd.

 

 

 

 

 

 

also congrats northwest ohio (if only a speck of it) for being on the top of a positive list

I am suggesting de-segregating our public schools

 

They are desegregated.  Otherwise those percentages you listed next to the school system for % African-American would be 0.

 

Ohio needs to get rid of a property tax base funding and come up with a way to distribute state funds evenly per pupil.

 

While I agree funding is critical, having money in your school system does not indicate success.  Nor does each school system have equal needs when it comes to school funding (as you might imagine with the top 2 districts).

 

Here are the top 10 school systems in terms of expenditure per pupil (2007 School Year, Districts with High Schools Only):

 

1.  Kelleys Island ($48,033)

2.  Put-in-Bay (28.5)

3.  Cuyahoga Heights (18.7)

4.  Beachwood (18.3)

5.  Orange (18.2)

6.  Cleveland Heights/University Heights (15.7)

7.  Youngstown City (15.4)

8.  Shaker Heights (15.1)

9.  Perry (14.9)

10.  Princeton City (14.4)

 

Others:

 

Cleveland: 12.2

Columbus:  12.6

Cininnati: 12.5

Dayton: 13.5

Akron: 10.4

Toledo: 11.3

 

So what leads to success?  Ask any teacher and they will tell you Parents are the number 1 indicator of success.  This "white flight" argument is non-sense.  What about "Black Flight"?  Do you think Solon's school system was 12.9% black 20 years ago?  No...it was maybe 1%.  But black families who valued education moved to Solon because of the school system & they were sick of dealing with members of their old community who didn't take any accountability for their child's education.  So they moved to communities where they knew the majority of citizens - regardless of race or religion - valued education as much as they did.  I mean, why is Parma (94.7% White) the 322nd rated school district in Ohio?  Hmm...maybe its the values of the community that matter.  And people are going to move to communities that share similar values as their own. 

 

What needs to change is the attitude and values of the people in the school district in order for it to succeed, not the racial make-up.  Do you think Ottawa Hills would still be ranked #1 if their attendance rate (currently 96.4) was like Cleveland (90.9) or Dayton (90.81)?

Interesting list...Where is North Royalton?

 

 

65th, with a performance index of 103.8

Alright, thread is cleaned up.  Folks, please do NOT go off like this again!  Let's keep this civil and (somewhat) classy.

Does anyone have any insight into why Columbus-area schools didn't do well? Too "average" perhaps? Assimilation leading to lack of strong culture in the schools?

Quick comment -- the problem with attracting good people to teaching isn't the pay.  It's that teachers are disrespected by students and parents alike.  Many men with professional jobs disrespect men who are teachers.  Similarly public school district administrators are looked down upon -- often rightly so -- by the kinds of people who send their kids to non-public schools. By comparison, firefighters seem to be universally respected by those same kinds of pay, despite their modest pay.  Speaking of which, public school teachers are typically paid very well, often more than Catholic and private school teachers.  They get excellent medical and retirement benefits, get every weekend and holiday off, a nice Xmas break, and 10+ weeks off in the summer.

 

Does anyone have any insight into why Columbus-area schools didn't do well? Too "average" perhaps? Assimilation leading to lack of strong culture in the schools?

 

I went to Independence H.S. in Columbus for one year. It was on the east side, in a suburb that I guess you could compare to probably Bridgetown outside of Cincy. It was only 15-20% white. (Fake) Bloods and Crips but fights all the time, never the less. My Social Studies teacher asked me to join this group called "In the Know" where you compete with other schools in a Jeopardy academic kind of game and we traveled around to other schools. I remember going to Ft. Hayes which seemedd like the Columbus version of Walnut Hills, except not as diverse. Eastmoor also seemed to have a lot of white even though it was Columbus Public. Even though blacks and whites live in the same neighborhoods I do think there is a tendency for whites to send kids to other public schools that have more white people within CPS.

 

Thinking about my mindset back then, it sucked being a minority. Whether you're black, white, asian, gay - what have you, kids want to be around people like themselves. Every 'mostly black' school I've been to, the white kids I felt either tried too hard to 'act black' and fit in or were just crazy and listend to ICP and Marilyn Manson. It was really hard to find a group of people like me. A few of my white friends there ended up transfering to east moore or their parents moved them to Canal Winchester.

 

Unlike Cincinnati, a lot of Columbus' suburbs, particularly on the east side have declined a lot yet people don't seem so adament about moving further out. This is just based on experience though, not data.

To follow on Jmeck, teaching (esp. public schools) has basically been a high quality civil service job. It isn't that much different from the IRS or any other gov't job. Oh we pretend that it is this great calling, but maybe a tenth of teachers in k-12 are doing something that the average person couldn't.

 

Also, on average, education majors have the lowest scores (standardized and GPA - I've TA'd a lot them) of nearly any major on a campus. They tend to be the try hard to get to B's type - or so my experience TAing at UC has shown them to be.

 

Always exceptions, but I think we place them on too high a pedestal and by the same token expect too much out of them.

Quick comment -- the problem with attracting good people to teaching isn't the pay.  It's that teachers are disrespected by students and parents alike.  Many men with professional jobs disrespect men who are teachers.  Similarly public school district administrators are looked down upon -- often rightly so -- by the kinds of people who send their kids to non-public schools. By comparison, firefighters seem to be universally respected by those same kinds of pay, despite their modest pay.  Speaking of which, public school teachers are typically paid very well, often more than Catholic and private school teachers.  They get excellent medical and retirement benefits, get every weekend and holiday off, a nice Xmas break, and 10+ weeks off in the summer.

 

 

Yeah, they get a lot of benefits. Some elementary school teachers in city schools actually have PhDs. My half brother's stepmom is a teacher at an elementary Columbus Public School. They paid for all of her tuition; then once she obtained her masters she was paid more. So she enrolled in a Ph.D program at Ohio State and now that she's done with that, she's getting an even bigger pay hike. The onl thing she invested in was undergrad education and she was paid even more than most teachers because she changed her major in undergrad and thus had more credits than usual and they made her pay reflect that.

 

She was describing teacher's responsibilities - you know people say public school teachers need to reach out more to the parents and get the parents involved in their kid's school work. In addition to parent-teacher conferences and PTA meetings, teachers at that school are required to visit every students house and talk to the parents (and also report to Children Services if the kids are living under really bad conditions). They're borderline social workers.

^^Wow, I hadn't heard of that.  I do know there are a lot of public school teachers retiring around age 55 due to the union contract and they have pretty sweet retirement deals, making over $30k in retirement on top of everything else.  I'm not criticizing them at all, I'm just saying if you can stick with teaching you can live a pretty comfortable life (otherwise). 

 

Personally, I know how boys think and believe that the lack of male teachers in elementary schools is a big problem.  I always knew male teachers knew how I and the other boys were thinking and where our energies were directed when most female teachers didn't (obviously, some female teachers are incredibly good at keeping the boys in line, but many fresh out of school aren't, and those typically weren't sympathetic to the high voltage male mind).  I could teach elementary school if the class was all boys but I just don't understand girls so it would be a disaster.  But again, and I'm being totally honest, if I quit what I'm doing and became an elementary school teacher and had to go around telling other guys that's what I do, they would consider me a bit of a loser.  Further, most women want a boyfriend or husband who is a university professor at the very least; certainly not some loser teaching grade school or high school.  All of that is simply cultural, not something that needs to be that way.  A big part of why I enjoyed high school more than 98% of America was that we had almost all male teachers who commanded our respect but who were also complete wise asses.  A 14-18 year-old male needs at the very least several if not many male roll models and they need men who are funny, because men judge men primarily by how funny they are.  A lot of female teachers just don't understand that.  Going to an all-boys high school and having majority male teachers I believe went a long way toward a big building full of 1,400 boys (one of the biggest all-boys schools in the country) having just 4 or 5 fights in the four years I went there, and I was in two of them.  I doubt that there's a public school of that size that can claim to have had that few fights, and there's a lot to be said for that.       

 

Does anyone have any insight into why Columbus-area schools didn't do well? Too "average" perhaps? Assimilation leading to lack of strong culture in the schools?

 

I went to Independence H.S. in Columbus for one year. It was on the east side, in a suburb that I guess you could compare to probably Bridgetown outside of Cincy. It was only 15-20% white. (Fake) Bloods and Crips but fights all the time, never the less. My Social Studies teacher asked me to join this group called "In the Know" where you compete with other schools in a Jeopardy academic kind of game and we traveled around to other schools. I remember going to Ft. Hayes which seemedd like the Columbus version of Walnut Hills, except not as diverse. Eastmoor also seemed to have a lot of white even though it was Columbus Public. Even though blacks and whites live in the same neighborhoods I do think there is a tendency for whites to send kids to other public schools that have more white people within CPS.

 

Thinking about my mindset back then, it sucked being a minority. Whether you're black, white, asian, gay - what have you, kids want to be around people like themselves. Every 'mostly black' school I've been to, the white kids I felt either tried too hard to 'act black' and fit in or were just crazy and listend to ICP and Marilyn Manson. It was really hard to find a group of people like me. A few of my white friends there ended up transfering to east moore or their parents moved them to Canal Winchester.

 

Unlike Cincinnati, a lot of Columbus' suburbs, particularly on the east side have declined a lot yet people don't seem so adament about moving further out. This is just based on experience though, not data.

 

Er, well, what I meant by assimilation and culture wasn't racial. I mean more along the lines of how people move around Columbus a lot, going to say Hillard schools for a few years, then Dublin, then Grove City, which weakens the culture of the schools. In Cleveland and Cincy it seems that people take a lot of pride in which high school (and the feeder schools) they went to, be it Hughes or Sycamore in Cincy for example. Obviously, pride and culture make for a stronger school and often better grades and test scores.

 

You mentioned Columbus' East Side and how white people there are less likely to bolt for an area further out. I lived there for a year and may move back to that area in a few months. That is one aspect of the East Side that I really like -- people getting along and realizing that those who look different than them aren't as bad as the "bolters" make them out to be. Some parts of the East Side are too auto-dependent, though.

On another note, schoolteaching has a lot of appeal for many because it is one of the few white-collar jobs that never get caught up in the go-go BS that started in the '80s and continues even more intensely today. Old-school white collar jobs used to not involve working evenings, weekends and holidays, intrude on people's personal lives so much and paid well right off the bat with good benefits. In the '80s, corporations seeking higher productivity, began using their power and influence in the media to sell white-collar workers on the idea of working too hard and giving up their free time to "get ahead". It continues today. Too many white-collar workers are overstressed, overweight, unfulfilled, spend too much time in the car and in front of screens, don't have any down time and spend too much money in their free time. The funny part is that our productivity isn't any higher than the rest of the world, so people from other countries laugh at us because we spend so much time at work yet only accomplish the same amount of work they do in 30 hours a week (approximately the standard workweek in Europe). Longer workweeks see diminishing returns very quickly. Plus, because other nations' balanced lifestyles lead to less stress, their health is fantastically better than ours, decimating healthcare expenses and other externalities associated with working too much. Basically, the corporations' productivity trick didn't work, but they continue to do it anyway. Another big thank you to TV and movies for brainwashing us into a suicidal lifestyle.

 

Teaching, though, eliminates some of the disadvantages of the nu-work scene. Extra hours are by choice, often paid and in fulfilling things such as tutoring or coaching. They have also the choice of working or not working in the summers, to equal the long vacation time that used to be seen in the U.S., but is now reserved for the rest of the world only.

Personally, I know how boys think and believe that the lack of male teachers in elementary schools is a big problem.

 

Yeah, look at traditional catholic parochial schools, where the teaching was by nuns, celibate women in uniform.

 

That must be why so many Catholic boys who went to parochial school turned out queer.

 

Or something.

 

 

 

I work for Columbus City Schools and attended some of them myself, and I can attest to the fact that NOT all CCS are crap! Schools on the north and northwest sides of the city/district are some of the best in the county and continually receive high rankings on [state] report cards. These schools include Winterset ES, Gables ES, Clinton Heights ES, Cranbrook ES, Indian Springs ES, Colerain ES, Arts Impact MS, Dominion MS(?), Ridgeview MS, Ecole Kenwood, Spanish Immersion, Centennial HS, Northland HS, Eastmoor HS, and Whetstone HS. Eastmoor is often considered on par with the suburban HS and is considered one of, maybe even THE, top (high) school in the district. And the district is improving every year, which I am very glad to hear.

I went to Learning Unlimited for 2nd to 4th grade. Looking back... man, that school was intense, in a good way. It was a unique experience. For those unfamiliar, Learning Unlimited is a progressive private school in Columbus started in the late '70s by an Iranian immigrant named Pouneh Alcott. It was featured in Columbus Monthly quite often. We were taught in the European method, with foreign language immersion (French, which I don't remember now) and de-emphasized grades; actually it was an ungraded school. Not to get off topic, but is there anything like that in the rest of Ohio? It seemed like it was a nice alternative to regular schools if you have the money and your kid passes the IQ test. See the thing I don't like about public schools is the propaganda aspect. At LU, I was taught that the U.S. is a great country with lots of advantages over the rest of the world, especially in the areas of freedom of speech (which even western and central Europe don't completely have) and opprotunity. But at the same time, they pointed out that we are not perfect and that we can learn from other countries to make our nation better. I never heard anything like that at public school; it always seemed that there were endless assemblies with videos of fighter jets and "I'm Proud to be an American" blasting over the PA with D.A.R.E. class afterward.

 

I've heard lots of good things about Columbus Public Schools' Alternative Schools system.

 

edit: why don't I ever see all my grammatical mistakes until I actually post?

an interesting stat is that racially the cleveland public school students relatively reflect the city population as whole, whereas in cincinnati and columbus the ps student population is very heavily black when compared with city demographics.

 

there must be a lot of white kids in cinci and cols going to private schools. white flight is not just in the suburbs.

In Dayton it's 70% black and the city population is around 48% -50% black or something like tht.

 

I think a better measure would to take school age kids and do the racial percentages, to see if whites have fled the public schools.  It might be similar.

 

 

 

In Louisville, which had countywide school integration since the mid 1970s, the % white flight to private schools has stablized to 30% of the white school age students, though this % has increased in the early years of K-12, indicating that young white families are leaving the system in at a higher rate than in the past.

 

Incidentally, a court case involving Louisvilles desegration efforts resulted in a USSC ruling that school districts can not consider race alone in determining school assignment, voiding racially based school integration.

 

In Louisville the board of ed moved to a socioeconomic desegregation plan to get around the USSC decision.

 

I went to Solon and look how sweet I turned out.

I never heard anything like that at public school; it always seemed that there were endless assemblies with videos of fighter jets and "I'm Proud to be an American" blasting over the PA with D.A.R.E. class afterward.

 

Reading stuff like this makes me glad I didn't go to school in Ohio.  Talking to the locals I sort of pick up on the mind-f$&k that is public education in this state.

 

(On edit....of course,coming from an urban parochial school in Chicago I had my own type of indoctrination, so...)

 

 

 

 

Cincinnati has always had a massive parochial school system - back to the 1840s. It was/is in the top 5 in school attendance in the country for an archdiocese that may not break the top 20 in total population at this point (about .5 million Catholics). Cincy public was for A/As, Jews, and poor whites - esp. Appalachians in the 20C.

I believe the Diocese of Cleveland enrollment outranks Cinci slightly, although there are considerably more Catholics in the Cleveland Diocese (766k vs. 478k), so Cinci has a higher percentage of Catholics attending parochial school:

 

Diocese of Cleveland          Archdiocese of Cincinnati

 

Total Schools: 141              117                                 

Elementary:    119              95                             

High School:      22              22                               

Total Enrollment

K-8:          37,027            32,886                   

9-12:        13,896            14,461

Total:        50,923             47,347

 

Pre-Kindergarten

Preschool Sites: 68              no info

Head Start Sites: 12

 

Populations Served:

Minority: 19.2%                    12%   

 

Graduation rate:  98%            98%

 

College bound:    no info        97%

 

sources: http://www.catholiccincinnati.org/schools/PDF/FactSheet0708.pdf

http://www.oce-ocs.org/oce/state_of_schools/index.shtml

 

yeah, get those credits in so you have more time to fuck around in college

 

 

^I guess I was fortunate enough to have a lot of AP classes in high school. I basically transferred in enough credit hours to start college as a sophomore. If I had actually gone to class everyday in college I probably could have graduated in 3 years.

I went to Solon and look how sweet I turned out.

 

Lawd!

 

I'm surprised Shaker didn't make it.  Ehhh :roll:

seriously what is the point of AP tests that usually count for a semester of college credit when you can go to community college and get 2 semesters worth for that same year, without a test at the end of the year that you might not even score high enough to earn college credit

I went to Independence H.S. in Columbus for one year. It was on the east side, in a suburb that I guess you could compare to probably Bridgetown outside of Cincy. It was only 15-20% white. (Fake) Bloods and Crips but fights all the time, never the less.

 

I don't think Independence is in a suburb... maybe a part of columbus much more suburban than say East H.S., but not a suburb.  And 90 percent of bloods and crips are "fakes" - but that doesn't mean the violence or drugs they peddle are fake - Even if you're a wannabe, if you're doing it you're doing it...

 

 

I went to St. Charles and North H.S. and obviously St. Charles was better education wise. It wasn't even close really... I only had 1 nun and 1 priest (actually monsignor) teach me, the rest were real teachers (interestingly, most from the east coast...religion teachers talking about how growing up in brooklyn was like certain stories in the bible lol). The priest fell asleep during class and we would walk outside and smoke cigarettes on broad st.  There was a body floating down the river next to it one time. That was nice.

 

North H.S. was crap. The teachers gave the students super easy assignments, graded them way too easily, and the tests were superficial too.  Most of it was probably because they knew the students weren't going to put a ton of effort into it (parent(s) thing again), but really any kid going there was almost assuredly doomed to not know real education until at least college (where they would have to play catch up). 

 

When I have kids, unless things change drastically, I wouldn't want them to go to public schools.  Too many kids trying to get attention and not enough people telling them to stop it.