December 21, 20204 yr It's been incredibly slow from the start, well before the pandemic, but elevated concrete pouring like this is slow no matter what.
December 21, 20204 yr On 12/3/2020 at 4:22 PM, thebillshark said: Well, the city was investigating removing density limits before all the stuff happened. I was hoping the density limits would go quietly away like the parking minimums. https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2020/11/06/panel-vetting-change-to-urban-core-development.html PG was a leading proponent of removing density limits and he gone.
December 21, 20204 yr 12 minutes ago, DEPACincy said: PG was a leading proponent of removing density limits and he gone. PG was very pro-development. There will be other council members who share a pro-development vision. I would not cry too much over PG. Although, he was a bit of the kingmaker on council (of course now we know why) which will slow things down in the short term.
December 21, 20204 yr 22 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said: Although, he was a bit of the kingmaker on council (of course now we know why) which will slow things down in the short term. One could argue that these kingmaker types slow down development by being roadblocks to projects/developers who aren't in bed with them. So with them out of the way things can just happen on their own. At least that would be the hope.
December 21, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, jjakucyk said: It's been incredibly slow from the start, well before the pandemic, but elevated concrete pouring like this is slow no matter what. Yeah it's a very complicated slab, different thicknesses, post tensioning, different levels to fit the topography. I also wonder if the stop is because the structure is switching to a different construction type. I can't tell if the top of the concrete has more rebar sticking out or if this is the top of the concrete structure and the pause is due to the bidding/contracting for the framing contractor.
December 21, 20204 yr 43 minutes ago, jjakucyk said: One could argue that these kingmaker types slow down development by being roadblocks to projects/developers who aren't in bed with them. So with them out of the way things can just happen on their own. At least that would be the hope. PG pretty much controlled 5 votes on council and could always get a majority for any issue he wanted. Dennard, Seelbach, Landsman and Young pretty much fell in line with PG. If any of them wanted to get their legislation passed, they would work through PG to muster the support.
December 21, 20204 yr 2 hours ago, Brutus_buckeye said: PG was very pro-development. There will be other council members who share a pro-development vision. I would not cry too much over PG. Although, he was a bit of the kingmaker on council (of course now we know why) which will slow things down in the short term. I was just pointing out that he was a big proponent of that reform, so the change might be slowed unless someone else takes up the mantle.
December 21, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, jjakucyk said: One could argue that these kingmaker types slow down development by being roadblocks to projects/developers who aren't in bed with them. So with them out of the way things can just happen on their own. At least that would be the hope. This is what is confusing about the PG situation. He basically supported all new development. And he was pushing for several reforms that would've made it easier to develop and would've taken power away from council/the administration to pick and choose developments that happen. Those positions don't really line up with his alleged behavior.
December 21, 20204 yr 2 hours ago, DEPACincy said: I was just pointing out that he was a big proponent of that reform, so the change might be slowed unless someone else takes up the mantle. I get that. I do think there are a lot of pro-development people left still especially given the OTR corridor for the rest of this council term. I would probably characterize Cranley as pro-development but in the mayor's chair he does not have the power that council did (in some regards) in that role, and if you think about it PG was not going to be on council next year regardless (he was going to be mayor or somewhere else) so it will be interesting to see what the Fall of 2021 slate looks like. The one thing about PG (love him or hate him), is that he defintiely was a very big proponent of economic development in this town at he carried a lot of influence when it came to the soccer stadium and Children's hospital getting done along with a number of other Uptown projects.
December 22, 20204 yr Braxton has opened “Pendalo Wingery” in the former CHX restaurant space. https://www.instagram.com/p/CI8S7lLhGFy/
December 22, 20204 yr 2 hours ago, taestell said: Braxton has opened “Pendalo Wingery” in the former CHX restaurant space. https://www.instagram.com/p/CI8S7lLhGFy/ Those prices are uhhhh.... High.
December 22, 20204 yr 27 minutes ago, Dcs3939 said: Those prices are uhhhh.... High. Are the wings fried or smoked? The website denies us this central piece of information.
December 22, 20204 yr 58 minutes ago, Dcs3939 said: Those prices are uhhhh.... High. That's how things are going to be during-, and most likely, post-pandemic.
December 22, 20204 yr 15 hours ago, Dcs3939 said: Those prices are uhhhh.... High. I track these things closely. The chicken wing market is an interesting one. At $1.45 per wing, they're about 10-15 cents higher per wing than the city-wide average. And most places have a half off or bogo deal at some point during the week, bringing the wing price down close to $0.60 or $0.70 each. For comparison sake, I bought an entire rotisserie chicken at Kroger for $5 a couple weeks ago. Since most wing places take a wing, chop it in half - into a flat and a drumette - and sell it to you as two wings, you can get four wings and the rest of the entire chicken for cheaper than you can get 4 wings by themselves at most places.
December 22, 20204 yr Why are wings so expensive in general? Especially if I can buy a giant rotisserie chicken at Costco for 4.99?
December 22, 20204 yr 4 minutes ago, troeros said: Why are wings so expensive in general? They used to not exist. They were just thrown out. I first recall chicken wings appearing as bar food in Cincinnati around 1990. Wings were as cheap as 10 cents back then but they rose closer to $1 by 2000 because of their sudden popularity. BW3's on Short Vine had 25-cent wing night on Tuesdays that drew an enormous crowd in the summers. It became an event unto itself with 500+ people hanging out on that block for 4-5 hours every Tuesday night. Yes there was a line out the door of the BW3's but the crowd outside was just hanging out.
December 22, 20204 yr BW3's started in 1982 in Columbus. Hooters in 1983. Buffalo Wings and Rings in 1984, right here in Cincinnati. The early 80s is when they really started to take off across the country. The concept of the Buffalo wing dates back to the early 1960s though.
December 22, 20204 yr 58 minutes ago, troeros said: Why are wings so expensive in general? Especially if I can buy a giant rotisserie chicken at Costco for 4.99? Because Costco doesn't need to make money on that rotisserie chicken if it gets you in the door to buy other items. It's quite common for places to use chicken as a loss leader item. A restaurant that more or less only sells wings doesn't have that luxury and therefore needs to actually sell them with a profit margin built-in.
December 22, 20204 yr 2 minutes ago, jmicha said: Because Costco doesn't need to make money on that rotisserie chicken if it gets you in the door to buy other items. It's quite common for places to use chicken as a loss leader item. A restaurant that more or less only sells wings doesn't have that luxury and therefore needs to actually sell them with a profit margin built-in. That is certainly a part of it - but in general, the demand for wings outpaces the demand for the rest of the chicken, which creates waste and raises the cost of the wings relative to the rest of the bird. I suspect that lots of chickens are slaughtered solely for the wings and breast meat, and the rest ends up thrown out or underutilized.
December 22, 20204 yr 37 minutes ago, Ram23 said: That is certainly a part of it - but in general, the demand for wings outpaces the demand for the rest of the chicken, which creates waste and raises the cost of the wings relative to the rest of the bird. I suspect that lots of chickens are slaughtered solely for the wings and breast meat, and the rest ends up thrown out or underutilized. This is why "boneless" wings were created. Needed a way to sell other pieces of the bird while trying to divert demand to something else.
December 22, 20204 yr 53 minutes ago, jmicha said: Because Costco doesn't need to make money on that rotisserie chicken if it gets you in the door to buy other items. It's quite common for places to use chicken as a loss leader item. A restaurant that more or less only sells wings doesn't have that luxury and therefore needs to actually sell them with a profit margin built-in. Why does buffalo wild wings sell boneless chicken wings that are essentially deep fried chicken breast nuggets at the same price as wings? Are they essentially trying to fool the customer in a way? I wonder if this could be a sense of false advertising and lead to law suits? Has anyone tried sueing any restaurant group for boneless wings and their pricing model for charging the same amount as actual chicken wings?
December 22, 20204 yr The bottom line is that restaurants will charge what people are willing to pay. If they can charge $1.45/wing and people will buy it, what's the problem? Anyway, Pendleton...
December 22, 20204 yr 24 minutes ago, Dev said: This is why "boneless" wings were created. Needed a way to sell other pieces of the bird while trying to divert demand to something else. This was one of the greatest moments in local politics in the US this year - and according to their menu, this new Pendleton "wing" restaurant is guilty:
December 22, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, Ram23 said: This was one of the greatest moments in local politics in the US this year - and according to their menu, this new Pendleton "wing" restaurant is guilty: It really is fraud. Boneless wings are no different than chicken nuggets, but priced at the same price as wings if not higher. The profit margin on boneless wings must be astronomically high Again, you would think more resturaunts would be under fire for such blatant deception while.pricr gouging the hell out of boneless wings
December 23, 20204 yr That's why the wait staff always pushes them. And they're less subject to market volatility than actual wings.
December 23, 20204 yr Well the odd thing about "boneless" wings is that it has motivated people to call real wings "bone-in" wings. It's like, some types of fish have bones and others don't. But people don't ever ask for "bone-in" fish. Similarly, people don't ask for "seed-in" oranges. Yet people out there actually imagine that bones are being inserted into boneless wings to create "bone-in" wings.
December 23, 20204 yr That's an essentially fake retronym brought on by people who want you to buy nuggets.
December 23, 20204 yr It really should be called buffalo chicken nugget, but some smart ass came up with the brilliant idea to deep fry chicken nuggets, slab them up with some spices and sauce and call them boneless wings. It's really incredible that type of marketing deception hasn't been more seriously scrutinized. I kid you not, I've known many friends back in the day who thought boneless wings were wings that had the bones removed. Its terrible trickery and we the consumers are paying the price for it.
December 23, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, GCrites80s said: That's an essentially fake retronym brought on by people who want you to buy nuggets. Well I'll-be-damned. It's actually the official term: https://www.tysonfoodservice.com/products/poultry/bone-in-boneless-wings
January 5, 20214 yr The Charles Street/Neyer development at 1118 Sycamore has now switched to HSS steel and wood construction so it should start rising much more quickly. Couldn't get any pictures with all those pesky green lights.
January 9, 20214 yr Finally starting framing the 3rd floor! “All truly great thoughts are conceived while walking.” -Friedrich Nietzsche
February 24, 20214 yr Agreed, regardless of your feelings about the design, having that massive parking lot filled in, especially with housing, is a huge step forward for the area!
February 26, 20214 yr New name, retail leasing team picked for $40M Pendleton development The $40 million mixed-use development under construction at 1118 Sycamore St. in Pendleton has a new name and a retail leasing team. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2021/02/26/new-name-retail-leasing-team-picked-for-40m.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
February 26, 20214 yr Is the name 'Industry' a reference to the HBO show about young professionals struggling to make it in corporate banking while taking lots of drugs and hooking up? Maybe that's their target audience.
May 25, 20214 yr That black element needs to go. But on the whole I think this is a great infill project. It’s looking good.
May 26, 20214 yr 20 hours ago, ucgrady said: The brick is going up at the Industry. It's going to be 7 stories, right?
May 26, 20214 yr 20 hours ago, atlas said: That black element needs to go. But on the whole I think this is a great infill project. It’s looking good. What "black element"? The only black I see are the plastic window flashings which will get covered by masonry.
May 26, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, jwulsin said: What "black element"? The only black I see are the plastic window flashings which will get covered by masonry. I think the tyvek between the 1st and 2nd floor will have black metal paneling on it which might also be what they are referring to. It's not up yet in that photo but it is visible from the other direction and looks perfectly fine to me. I am curious what the other more reddish brick will look like next to this more buff brick but based off the renderings I think this project looks very nice. Edited May 26, 20214 yr by ucgrady
May 26, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, ucgrady said: I think the tyvek between the 1st and 2nd floor will have black metal paneling on it which might also be what they are referring to. It's not up yet in that photo but it is visible from the other direction and looks perfectly fine to me. I am curious what the other more reddish brick will look like next to this more buff brick but based off the renderings I think this project looks very nice. Perhaps if the element was only used at the corner, or to emphasise verticality, I would be fine with it. I am typically not a fan of unifying elements across larger built forms like this. Above the 2nd floor there is an attempt to distinguish 2 separate forms and appears as 2 separate buildings, which is great, but then above the ground floor they add elements to unify the entire block. Why not continue the separateness of forms down to the ground floor? That would really make it shine, imo. Verticality over horizont...ality.
June 10, 20214 yr https://industry-cincinnati.com/ The industry is now pre leasing. The amenities and photos look like this one of the most luxury apartments currently available in the otr/Pendleton area. I could easily see some of these units going for over 2k per month. Definitely a game changer for this area as it will bring a good amount of new residents and new commercial activity that was once a very desolate and at times dangerous area to be at. Hopefully this sells well and the developer will quickly grab the adjacent lots and build a second phase.
June 10, 20214 yr I just noticed the starting price is 1,195. I imagine that is for a 1 bed room..that is a great starting price in my opinion. Especially for the amount of amenities this complex has to offer. I feel this could really sell well at that price point. I was worried for a second that we would have another luxury complex that would only really apply to people who are 60K+ A year again. We need more units like these that apply to the every day working person who isn’t wealthy but middle class .
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