Greyhound needs a waiting room, crew area, ticketing offices, package express facilities, some kind of food service, and parking for roughly 30 employees. These could probably be provided in a temporary, modular facility. And STJ transit center is an option, but the city's deal with Greyhound hinges on a property swap with the city. Now that the city and GCRTA have reached a joint agreement on developing a multi-modal transportation facility, perhaps Greyhound could temporarily relocate to a GCRTA facility.

 

I dropped someone off at the Greyhound terminal last summer and the only food service they had there were 3 or 4 vending machines, and 2 of them didn't work.  No counter with hot food at all.  (it's still a gorgeous Art Deco building, and seems to be larger and kept up better than Greyhound stations in other cities, like Baltimore and Philly, the latter of which is surprising given Philly's much larger size and heavy dependence on transit).

 

Parking, at least short-term/drop off parking, is needed, but couldn't an area like what Amtrak has now do the trick?  Of course we know Cleveland's Amtrak service is currently limited to those few runs at around 2a or later, so car traffic isn't so bad as it would be with the morning-to-night daytime service of The Hound... mixed in with, hopefully, expanded daytime Amtrak and, if we're real lucky sometime in the future, commuter rail.

I dropped someone off at the Greyhound terminal last summer and the only food service they had there were 3 or 4 vending machines, and 2 of them didn't work.  No counter with hot food at all.  (it's still a gorgeous Art Deco building, and seems to be larger and kept up better than Greyhound stations in other cities, like Baltimore and Philly, the latter of which is surprising given Philly's much larger size and heavy dependence on transit).

 

I took a bus out of the station in March, and there was definitely a food counter.  I bought a ham sandwich.

I dropped someone off at the Greyhound terminal last summer and the only food service they had there were 3 or 4 vending machines, and 2 of them didn't work.  No counter with hot food at all.  (it's still a gorgeous Art Deco building, and seems to be larger and kept up better than Greyhound stations in other cities, like Baltimore and Philly, the latter of which is surprising given Philly's much larger size and heavy dependence on transit).

 

I took a bus out of the station in March, and there was definitely a food counter.  I bought a ham sandwich.

 

Oh OK, good to hear.  Perhaps it was closed when we got there.  It was in the evening.

http://www.cleveland.com/architecture/index.ssf/2015/10/new_site_on_downtown_central_l.html#incart_river_home

 

New site on central lakefront under consideration for Cleveland intermodal hub (photos)

 

"After leaning toward locating the hub at the west end of the Muni Lot east of East Ninth Street and the North Pointe Garage, the city is now looking strongly at placing the new center west of East Ninth Street, near the existing Amtrak station.

 

The new location would place the transit hub in a highly visible spot north of the city's new convention center and south of North Coast Harbor and attractions including the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum, the Great Lakes Science Center and FirstEnergy Stadium."

 

Ugggg, what a mess. The walk from there to Tower City is going to be a pain no matter what.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/architecture/index.ssf/2015/10/new_site_on_downtown_central_l.html#incart_river_home

 

New site on central lakefront under consideration for Cleveland intermodal hub (photos)

 

"After leaning toward locating the hub at the west end of the Muni Lot east of East Ninth Street and the North Pointe Garage, the city is now looking strongly at placing the new center west of East Ninth Street, near the existing Amtrak station.

 

The new location would place the transit hub in a highly visible spot north of the city's new convention center and south of North Coast Harbor and attractions including the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum, the Great Lakes Science Center and FirstEnergy Stadium."

 

Ugggg, what a mess. The walk from there to Tower City is going to be a pain no matter what.

 

 

What about taking the Waterfront line?

http://www.cleveland.com/architecture/index.ssf/2015/10/new_site_on_downtown_central_l.html#incart_river_home

 

New site on central lakefront under consideration for Cleveland intermodal hub (photos)

 

Designers of the span said it is possible to provide a future link from the pedestrian span to an intermodal hub by inserting a vertical connection, presumably stairs and an elevator, in the large, central V-shaped tower designed to support the bridge.

 

Does an elevator seem like enough volume? I just can't picture a single elevator as a solution for people heading en-masse to events on the lake.

 

^^It's somewhat inconsistent (currently the train isn't even running until the 17th) and, depending on my arrival, I'd have to wait a while since I usually get there at 6am.  The first train doesn't leave until 6:30am on weekdays, 9:30am on weekends - and the place is plenty busy even at the early and late hours. There are a lot of passengers who travel overnight.

 

I just wonder what the walk to Tower City would be like in the middle of the night/early morning. Walking to the Stephanie Tubbs center at any hour is fine; the Greyhound has recently had a surge in 11pm and 6am panhandlers (who range in aggresiveness), which is pretty disappointing, and you'd sooner find a leprechaun than a cop immediately outside. The walk from the current Greyhound station to Euclid isn't great either due to the garages, projects and desolate feel.

 

Also, would I have to pay twice since I need to get to the eastern burbs and thus need to hop on the green or blue line?

 

But maybe the Waterfront line would work for most people (excluding the overnighters).

 

I'll be interested to hear what KJP says. This is a step in the right direction as far as location and connectivity to the walkway, etc

^^If there's a connection via the new pedestrian bridge, I'm pretty sure this proposed location would be a shorter walk from Tower City than the current Greyhound terminal.

 

This all sounds like great news to me.

The current transportation options to/from the Amtrak station are obviously not good. In addition to driving, there are always taxis there at train time. On weekdays, the Waterfront Line starts running at 7 a.m. and stops at 10:30 p.m. The Amtrak station opens for the night at 11 p.m. and closes at 9:30 a.m., so there is an opportunity to take the Rapid to/from Amtrak on weekdays. There is also the 9/12 Trolley which starts at 5:30 a.m. and you can catch it just outside the Amtrak station gate at the Trolley sign located at the crosswalk next to the Waterfront Line station (the back of a stop sign may block your view of the Trolley sign from the Amtrak station) http://www.riderta.com/routes/ninetwelve

 

As for the future if/when the multi-modal station is built -- the operation of the Waterfront Line may be very different then. There is already discussion at GCRTA of changing the operation of the Waterfront Line to address parking problems for employees and patrons at the Flats East Bank. These problems are only going to worsen when construction starts on Phase 3 on the parking lot located between Phases 1 and 2 and those parking spaces are gone. They will be replaced with a parking deck but that's going to be a couple of years away. Some of the talk at GCRTA is to run the Waterfront Line longer hours, including some or all of it possibly operating 24 hours. The 24-hour operation would be a good idea if/when the multi-modal station is built. Not only is Amtrak a middle-of-the-night operation but some Greyhound buses also come through in the overnight hours.

 

So the current operation of the Waterfront Line isn't an indicator of its future operation.

 

More details about the conceptual design of the multi-modal station may be publicized in the next couple of months. I've seen some early drafts (and even offered a few!) and I like how things are shaping up. It's not perfect, but the budget and timeline doesn't allow for perfect. Remember, the motivation for building this station didn't originally come out of a desire to serve the traveling public. It was to get Greyhound out of the way of a major development by a developer with "juice" (I think Geis is the developer) who is VERY eager to move forward. But we have tried to hold the city's and the other stakeholders' feet to the fire that this station, although suddenly a high priority, include as many modes as possible and to provide a positive, lasting legacy for Cleveland.

Would the multi-modal station likely divert much bus traffic from Public Square to here? I know there are pros/cons with each...

Glad the city came to its senses on the proposed site. What are the odds there is a direct/enclosed connection to the convention center? In a perfect world, the elevator would look something like this:

 

Ground floor - Greyhound/Megabus, Amtrak, RTA, taxi.

Second/Third floor - parking

Fourth floor - Convention center skywalk

Fifth floor - Skybridge to Mall or Lakefront

 

Glad the city came to its senses on the proposed site. What are the odds there is a direct/enclosed connection to the convention center? In a perfect world, the elevator would look something like this:

 

Ground floor - Greyhound/Megabus, Amtrak, RTA, taxi.

Second/Third floor - parking

Fourth floor - Convention center skywalk

Fifth floor - Skybridge to Mall or Lakefront

 

 

Wouldn't a series of escalators handle more capacity?

 

 

Wouldn't a series of escalators handle more capacity?

 

Probably, but that wouldn't satisfy ADA requirements. There has to be an elevator somewhere if they intend to provide a pedestrian connection to the Mall or if it's multilevel. Its just a question of where and how it connects everything in the site. Worst case there is an elevator from ground floor to skybridge with a outdoor walkway to a single story transportation center. Best case it's integrated with the transportation center that connects parking, skybridge, and convention center all together.

Glad the city came to its senses on the proposed site. What are the odds there is a direct/enclosed connection to the convention center? In a perfect world, the elevator would look something like this:

 

Ground floor - Greyhound/Megabus, Amtrak, RTA, taxi.

Second/Third floor - parking

Fourth floor - Convention center skywalk

Fifth floor - Skybridge to Mall or Lakefront

 

Kind of building off this post. I wonder what a section view of this potential building would look like. It's obvious the Amtrak and RTA station would likely be at the bottom, potentially also the bus and taxi stands, parking garage levels above there, then what retail, a hotel, office space?

BTW, the access point at the middle of the bridge is only for the intermodal station so it doesn't need lots of capacity for lots of pedestrians. The middle access point will have no access to the stadium. Stadium-bound persons will cross the entire bridge (or take West 3rd).

 

The various uses of the intermodal hub will be arranged horizontally, not vertically. The city doesn't have the time of budget for stacking the different uses.

 

Well I like that they are moving away from the Muni lot site. I have so many thoughts on this but briefly my biggest fear in using the current site is the sea of parked cars, idling busses, vehicle traffic and parking structure that this could bcome. I would hate to have that view from the top of the mall looking across to NCH. Hopefully if it ends up being built there any parking structure would have a green roof on it and  no surface parking lots. And that the idling busses are also covered under a canopy.

 

Also I proposed a site just north of Willard Park that I wish would be considered.

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,17673.msg735887.html#msg735887

 

btw last year I did a rendering of an elevator from the bridge that is now being considered.

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,3638.msg732740.html#msg732740

No parking structure. Too expensive. Amtrak lot and platform stays, but Amtrak station goes, replaced with green space. Moving station platform and tracks are too expensive. They don't want to ask the railroads for track changes-- they want this built by 2050. Conceptual plans still coming together for the rest.

^Bleh

I wonder though if the Willard expansion is still being discussed. Then it would just be a matter of building a combined waiting/ticket structure on top of the garage which would be at street level.  In that same space would be the bus idling/boarding area.  The garage would have reserved spaces for the combined services.  While you could use the existing RTA platform for all train boardings. The only added expense would be the covered walkway from the garage to the platform.

Oh well maybe I will still get 'some' of my green space.

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,17673.msg743686.html#msg743686

Two things. Looking at the story I saw a shot of the North Coast Harbor station when they were trying to give an idea as to where this station would be. So would the station close if this is built? Secondly I saw the upkeep that greyhound and Amtrak does with there stations and RTA doesn't do the best job either so I wonder and a little concerned as to who would be in charge of upkeep because none are very good at it. This is a very important project imo so keeping it looking great is important.

^Bleh

I wonder though if the Willard expansion is still being discussed. Then it would just be a matter of building a combined waiting/ticket structure on top of the garage which would be at street level.  In that same space would be the bus idling/boarding area.  The garage would have reserved spaces for the combined services.  While you could use the existing RTA platform for all train boardings. The only added expense would be the covered walkway from the garage to the platform.

Oh well maybe I will still get 'some' of my green space.

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,17673.msg743686.html#msg743686

 

If the conceptual plans emerging now remain largely intact by the time final engineering is done, then the only greenspace will be west of the new ped/bike bridge.

 

The Williard Park garage expansion option that was the most cost effective was Option 4:

http://static1.squarespace.com/static/530b91f5e4b0dd985a478f5e/t/543d4d8fe4b07f3c0253a4c6/1413303695674/FINAL+LAKEFRONT+PARKING+STUDY+REPORT.pdf

 

Willard Park Garage expansion by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr

I'm glad the good sense lightening struck the planners and the west of 9th location is now favored with possible connections to the pedestrian bridge... Hopefully the obvious connection to the Convention Center is part of the NCTC package too... I'm kind of disappointed the track configuration will likely not be upgraded because this tells me the single platform Amtrak situation is here to stay: terrible for a major city like Cleveland that, someday, has commuter rail aspirations... But I'll take the incremental improvement even though the new favored site, as well as the concept of an NCTC itself, were driven by non-transit/transportation motives so we kinda backed into this project...That's no way to run transit planning but, again, we'll take it.  Maybe someday the NS tracks can be reconfigured.

 

As for parking, it would be cool if some designated spaces in the Willard could be dedicated to Amtrak and Greyhound.  Not perfect and not as convenient as the current surface lot but, whatareyougonnado?

True, but the NS track configuration is the only reason why the site west of East 9th is preferred. AAO argued that the site west of East 9th was better in terms of visibility, plus pedestrian and transit access. But that wasn't the reason why this site was embraced. The city or its consulting team didn't want to try to get the railroads to reconfigure their tracks (or pay for the privilege of doing so) to make a site east of East 9th possible.

 

I also urged consideration of building the planned but never constructed pedestrian underpass below East 9th into the Waterfront Line station. Such a link could provide climate-protected pedestrian access from the North Point Garage into the Waterfront Line station and thus into the proposed intermodal hub. Alas, the link was considered too costly and time-consuming to provide within the framework the city is working within. The city seems to think a parking garage owned by lawyers would be a negotiating nightmare. But I would think that the owners would love the additional, all-day/all-week parking revenue. Oh well. Can't win 'em all.

If you want to see Cleveland's existing "multi-modal hub" where Greater Cleveland RTA Akron Metro, Stark Area RTA, Portage Area RTA and, starting Nov. 2, Laketran have stops all within feet of each other, it's on Prospect near West Superior. It's grandly marked by bus stop signs. But there's not even a passenger shelter there....

 

So this is where planners are heading with regards to the multi-modal center. The Greyhound bus loading area would be on the lowest level with South Marginal Road, below the station waiting area, offices, cafe/shops etc. which would be up near the East 9th Street level. This would be the first phase built as the city has a tight timeline to get Greyhound out of its current building.

 

Amtrak would continue to use its building until it could be moved into an expansion of the multi-modal center westward. Taxi stand/kiss-n-ride could either be at the current roundabout on South Marginal or off East 9th Street (or both) or a possible new longitudinal lane at East 9th Street level. A developer expressed interest in building where the Amtrak station/phase 2 portion is proposed to be so perhaps this station facilities could be built on the lowest two levels of a larger, privately financed building. The Amtrak station parking lot would be retained for travelers passengers and Amtrak/Greyhound employees until a more significant parking structure was built as part of a later phase this project or elsewhere nearby such as an expansion of Willard Park garage.

 

BTW, the new roadway over the tracks is proposed as possible access drive for taxis, buses, kiss-n-ride from Lakeside and bridging over the driveway into the Willard Park garage. The cost may preclude this roadway however. But it might make a development site on East 9th more attractive. Note that the planned ped/bike bridge from Mall C to North Coast Harbor would have a stairwell and elevator next to the mid-bridge tower that will support the bridge with cables.

 

Those are a few of my recollections on the general concept which still has more tweaking to go, which is why I can't share a detailed image on the options being considered. They still could change. But this possible layout below is generally what's being considered at this early stage. Final design could start by the end of the year. The city would at least build phase 1 and some or all of phase 2. Developer interest in building above/next to/as part of phase 2 could change that however. I wasn't too sure how this might all come together, but I'm happy with this site, conceptual layout and the phased approach which makes it possible for the parties to move forward on it soon.

 

mmcc concept fall2015 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr

 

 

Very interesting KJP, I'm pleased with this outcome and look forward to see how this progresses. The only concern I have is the impending issues with the blue/green/waterfront line cars. It's frustrating how we inch forward but have so many hurtles to overcome.

Very interesting KJP, I'm pleased with this outcome and look forward to see how this progresses. The only concern I have is the impending issues with the blue/green/waterfront line cars. It's frustrating how we inch forward but have so many hurtles to overcome.

 

The older I get, the more I realize you're never done. There will always to be something else to fix, rebuild, improve, expand, etc. And you don't quit. You run out of energy and realize there's someone younger and more energetic out there whose time has come to follow in your footsteps. Fortunately I'm not there yet, but I can see why people 10-20 years older than me step down and retire.

 

Anyway, back to the hubub about the hub!

Any reason why phase 1 doesn't but up to East 9th St?  It would be nice to develop along East 9th to help close the gap between Erieview and the Lakefront.

 

edit- Or does the "future development site" include that land?"

This looks promising. Thanks for the updates KJP. Do you know if Megabus or any other RTA's are involved or planning stops here?

Any reason why phase 1 doesn't but up to East 9th St?  It would be nice to develop along East 9th to help close the gap between Erieview and the Lakefront.

 

edit- Or does the "future development site" include that land?"

 

There's a pretty significant elevation change to get down to track level from E9th street.  KJP stated that Greyhound would be on the lowest level so I suspect they need room for a ramp of some sort.

Any reason why phase 1 doesn't but up to East 9th St?  It would be nice to develop along East 9th to help close the gap between Erieview and the Lakefront.

 

edit- Or does the "future development site" include that land?"

 

If I remember correctly, the reason was to have a drop area for vehicles (taxis, cars, etc) off East 9th. The consultants observed the existing conditions on Chester in front of the Greyhound station, that persons arrive/depart by taxi, transit or walking (there actually is no passenger parking at Greyhound!). They wanted an off-street area for vehicle pick-ups/drop-offs because, while vehicles pulling in/out on Chester doesn't cause bad traffic situations (except during holiday peak travel periods), it would on East 9th. The new roadway and bridge from Lakeside was proposed as a way to address that, but human is nature is that people will still drop-off/pick-up passengers in front of the station. So that's why the right-turn-only entrance/exit into the looping driveway was proposed. I do seem to recall that pick-up/drop-off area would be covered, but there would be a greenspace between it and East 9th.

 

This looks promising. Thanks for the updates KJP. Do you know if Megabus or any other RTA's are involved or planning stops here?

 

If anyone mentions Megabus around Greyhound executives as part of this project, Greyhound will back out. The other RTAs that pass by here are assumed to make curbside stops, but no outreach has been made at this time.

 

There's a pretty significant elevation change to get down to track level from E9th street.  KJP stated that Greyhound would be on the lowest level so I suspect they need room for a ramp of some sort.

 

I believe all Greyhound bus access would be from South Marginal Road or off the short ramp from West 3rd/Shoreway eastbound. The hillside south of the Shoreway ramp up to East 9th would be scooped out and the bus loading area placed there at the elevation of South Marginal Road. One scenario was to have the buses arrive westbound on South Marginal under East 9th and pull into one of about 10 bus bays under the station. After loading, they would back up into South Marginal and pull forward westbound again to make the hairpin turn to go up the existing ramp from the Shoreway to East 9th.

 

Another scenario is to have a circular loading area under the station (looks like a circular saw blade) with buses pulling into notches in that circular loading area. When departing, they wouldn't have back out. Instead they would turn hard left to avoid the notched curb and then drive around the circular until they reached the existing ramp that goes up to East 9th. This circular boarding scenario would also allow buses coming in from West 3rd to enter the station area using the existing short ramp onto South Marginal's traffic circle.

Thanks for the report!  I was confused at first about the elevation of the new roadways shown on your diagram-- I thought they may related to Greyhound access--but I think you just clarified that they would be on the upper level, above the bus area, at roughly East 9th St. elevation, so only for drop off by non-Greyhound vehicles.

 

Question about the possible ramp to the Willard Park garage: wouldn't that blast right though the elevated walkway that connects the RTA WFL head house to the platform area? Or would the roadway just clear the top of the walkway as it ramps up to Willard? Or would the RTA station be completely reconfigured?

 

EDIT: one other question: so this facility as proposed wouldn't include lay-over areas for other-county bus services? Is it really just a Greyhound station next to a possible new Amtrak station at this point?

As I look at the graphic, I'm not sure how the RTA Waterfront Line fits in re the following:

 

Will there be a new platform accessed from a common Amtrak only or Amtrak/Greyhound headhouse from above? 

Or will the current North Coast/E. 9th street platforms be lengthened to accommodate a better Amtrak/Greyhound interface? 

Or will the current North Coast/E. 9th headhouse be demolished/replaced with a different headhouse/access point?

Or, per the graphic, will nothing change for RTA in the new scheme?

 

... just curious.

... I see Straphanger had many of my same Qs...

Question about the possible ramp to the Willard Park garage: wouldn't that blast right though the elevated walkway that connects the RTA WFL head house to the platform area? Or would the roadway just clear the top of the walkway as it ramps up to Willard? Or would the RTA station be completely reconfigured?

 

RTA station will be completely reconfigured at full build-out (ie: all phases completed). The RTA walkway from East 9th would go away if that road is built. I think losing that enclosed walkway would be unfortunate considering the brutality of the weather on the lakefront 4-6 months per year. I don't think the proposed new roadway adds much to the project considering its cost.

 

EDIT: one other question: so this facility as proposed wouldn't include lay-over areas for other-county bus services? Is it really just a Greyhound station next to a possible new Amtrak station at this point?

 

If other-county transit services stop here, it would be as curbside stops on East 9th. All collar-county transit agencies prefer to have their buses return to their garages for midday layovers.

 

As I look at the graphic, I'm not sure how the RTA Waterfront Line fits in re the following:

 

Will there be a new platform accessed from a common Amtrak only or Amtrak/Greyhound headhouse from above? 

 

Initially, in phase 1, there would be no changes to the Waterfront Line station. Phase 1 is a quick, low-cost, get Greyhound out of the way of development at its current location. So anything not essential to that relocation will be left to later phases.

 

Or will the current North Coast/E. 9th street platforms be lengthened to accommodate a better Amtrak/Greyhound interface? 

 

No change to the Waterfront Line or Amtrak platforms (Amtrak platform may be widened or lengthened but that's it). Phase 2 access to the Waterfront Line station would be from overhead from either the new Greyhound or Amtrak portions of the station. But nothing will change Waterfront Line-wise in phase 1.

 

Or will the current North Coast/E. 9th headhouse be demolished/replaced with a different headhouse/access point?

 

That's the plan for Phase 2.

 

Or, per the graphic, will nothing change for RTA in the new scheme?

 

... just curious.

 

Nothing will change for RTA in phase 1. Further refinement of the design will clarify how the phase 2 RTA access will be handled.

Hopefully there's a way to let Megabus use the new Amtrak part of this complex once it's built. Will be extremely annoying to have a "transportation center" that doesn't include one of the most popular inter-city services.

^^Thanks KJP...

Hopefully there's a way to let Megabus use the new Amtrak part of this complex once it's built. Will be extremely annoying to have a "transportation center" that doesn't include one of the most popular inter-city services.

 

Agree. There are intermodal transportation centers that have both Greyhound and Megabus (Milwaukee, Champaign-Urbana, etc).

KJP, do you know who would own the new Greyhound facility? Would the city actually deed it over to Greyhound or would Greyhound occupy it under a long term lease?

KJP, do you know who would own the new Greyhound facility? Would the city actually deed it over to Greyhound or would Greyhound occupy it under a long term lease?

 

Don't know. The concept all along has been a land swap with Greyhound, in which the city gets the old Greyhound station in exchange for Greyhound getting the city owned land on which the new, city-built station would set. But the multiple users and potential for spin-off development being a part of or possibly even paying for Phase 2 adds another angle to this.

If you would like to see a sneak-preview of the Cleveland Multimodal Transportation Center, ask questions and give input on it, please attend All Aboard Ohio's Cleveland local meeting (it's free -- but we might pressure you to join AAO for one year @ $25 for students/seniors, $35 for others!):

 

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=12191.msg778907#msg778907

10am-12noon Nov. 14 -- Conference room above the AAO office in the Sustainable Cleveland Center, Tower City Center (230 West Huron, downtown), above foot court and across from Hard Rock Cafe.

 

 

Reminder of the above. BTW, we'll have coffee and donuts. Yep, AAO's treat!

If you would like to see a sneak-preview of the Cleveland Multimodal Transportation Center, ask questions and give input on it, please attend All Aboard Ohio's Cleveland local meeting (it's free -- but we might pressure you to join AAO for one year @ $25 for students/seniors, $35 for others!):

 

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=12191.msg778907#msg778907

10am-12noon Nov. 14 -- Conference room above the AAO office in the Sustainable Cleveland Center, Tower City Center (230 West Huron, downtown), above foot court and across from Hard Rock Cafe.

 

 

 

Are you in the old J. Crew store?

Are you in the old J. Crew store?

 

Why yes we are! The changing rooms are now our storage....

 

But the meeting is upstairs on the third level (same level as Huron Avenue), with entrance directly off the atrium. No RSVPs required.

KJP will you post the renderings and what you discuss at the meeting? Or is this a what happens in the meeting stays there sort of event... unfortunately I'll be out of town :(

I'll see what I can do. :)

One more top city official has to sign off on the plans, then they can be released publicly. Should only be a week or less...

I thought the plans looked good. I'm glad there are provisions in place for a connection to the lakefront pedestrian bridge. I still lament the fact that we won't have a grand, beautiful train station, but I think it will still be an attractive facility. Now about that funding...

 

Thank you Raiders of the Lost Ark! However, it is actually a top lady.