Posted November 6, 200816 yr I guess Jane Jacobs lived on this street, and talks about it in Death and Life Hamilton, Ontario - Man, this is the epitome of "big small town". People seemed like rural Americans but they live in high rise condos! Niagara Falls, Canada For a 90 dollar camera, I thought this pic was fantastic. Must have been perfect lighting at that moment.
November 7, 200816 yr As much as I got sick of seeing the CN tower pop over everything. It looks awesome above those row of businesses on Spadina.
November 7, 200816 yr Sigh..... Canada, how I miss thee!! And FYI, I HATE the ROM addition. And Downtown Niagara is soooo cheap looking. But great photos!
November 7, 200816 yr Wow...Niagra Falls is much more Disney-fied than when I was there in 2001. Great pictures though David.
November 7, 200816 yr And Downtown Niagara is soooo cheap looking. But great photos! I don't mind it. It's a fun little town! As much as I got sick of seeing the CN tower pop over everything. It looks awesome above those row of businesses on Spadina. I hear you. I kinda wish it could only be seen from a few places. Having it pop up everywhere makes it less special.
November 7, 200816 yr Dudes, Niagara, Ontario is sweet! It's MUCH better than Niagara, New York. Yes, without a doubt. We stayed on the New York side, but immediately made our way across the Rainbow Bridge to the 'promise land.' And yeah, it makes total sense that it is touristy as crap. It just wasn't to that extreme when I was there.
November 7, 200816 yr Dudes, Niagara, Ontario is sweet! It's MUCH better than Niagara, New York. And truth be told, you can't blame it for being touristy as sh!t. I mean, look what's at its doorstep! They're the most powerful waterfalls on earth! They'd be idiots not to completey cater to the tourist crowd. Man, oh man, I can't get enough of Toronto. What a f$&king city, my favorite of the Great Lakes, even more than Chicago. I disagree. I'd take Chicago over Toronto any day. Toronto is outdated, tacky, and the country is poor lol! Going to Canada made me appreciate America.
November 7, 200816 yr Toronto outdated, poor, and tacky? :lol: Let's move to Michigan and hit that dank growing in the closet for "medical" reasons. It is poor and tacky. Canada has about 1/4th less GDP per capita than the United States. Kinda sad when you consider they're a smaller country and don't even have the advantage of GDP in quantitative terms like China. Investment in terms of urban development hits big cities around the world before anywhere else because it's a sure bet and provides a bigger return on investment. So when you look at how big Toronto is, it's kind of a let down seeing so many hideous buildings from the 60s/70s and nothing remodeled. Besides, it bothers me that they don't like us and think we're imperialist warmongers when Russia would have taken them over by now if we didn't cover their @ss all these decades with our large military and political clout as a bordering country with a stake in Alaska. Canada always has and always will be our b!tch. Just look how they agressively patrol and protect the arctic knowing we're right there on the bottom bunk if something goes down. And Toronto does beat Chicago in international flavor. The immigrant flow in Toronto is probably tops in North America. Hell, it's got to be among the top in the world. I don't care about diversity that much. Different cultures can all learn from one another but at the end of the day I don't have much in common with a Stri Lankan immigrant. I would argue that Torontonians are probably so exposed to diversity that they're more numb to it and indifferent. Wait, we live in Ohio. :lol: I'd take Cincinnati or Columbus over a saskatoon or Calgary or something, anyday. Well..maybe not Vancouver...never been there but I think I'd appreciate it.
November 7, 200816 yr Dudes, Niagara, Ontario is sweet! It's MUCH better than Niagara, New York. And truth be told, you can't blame it for being touristy as sh!t. I mean, look what's at its doorstep! They're the most powerful waterfalls on the continent! They'd be idiots not to completey cater to the tourist crowd. Man, oh man, I can't get enough of Toronto. What a f$&king city, my favorite of the Great Lakes, even more than Chicago. I don't think anybody was debating that! Of course its better even NF, NY. But thats not saying much.
November 7, 200816 yr Niagara Falls doesn't have to be tacky to cater to tourists. Imagine if they had gone for something like "quaint historic" like Michigan's Mackinaw Island. Many of the buildings are also 3-4 stories, and they managed to tastefully integrate huge hotels. The nice architecture is all still there under all that paint. The problem is they went without a plan, and garish architecture was an easy out. It's actually difficult to say whether they would have made more money with a better "city design" but considering the negative comments I hear from people regarding the city itself, I think they are actually missing out. I mean, I'll probably never return ever again unless it's on the way.
November 7, 200816 yr Niagara Falls doesn't have to be tacky to cater to tourists. Imagine if they had gone for something like "quaint historic" like Michigan's Mackinaw Island. Many of the buildings are also 3-4 stories, and they managed to tastefully integrate huge hotels. The nice architecture is all still there under all that paint. The problem is they went without a plan, and garish architecture was an easy out. It's actually difficult to say whether they would have made more money with a better "city design" but considering the negative comments I hear from people regarding the city itself, I think they are actually missing out. I mean, I'll probably never return ever again unless it's on the way. I think you're just bitter - when you look at cheap casino resort-like facades you're reminded of that 32 dollar buffet you splurged on hehe. I'd take Cincinnati or Columbus over a saskatoon or Calgary or something, anyday. What does Calgary have to do with Toronto? Calgary is the Houston of Canada. It's by far their worst big city- just a car dependent oil boomtown. It's also the hub of redneck Canada. Mix Houston and Nashville, and you get Calgary. Even small cities like Windsor and London put it to damn shame. All I'm saying is its silly to compare Toronto to an Ohio City. Chicago makes sense. Oh, and if you want to compare Calgary to a Texas city, El Paso would probably be more appropriate in terms of size. Hell, if I've got a cute French Canadian girl, live in a 1000 square foot apartment, and have Crown Royal, I don't need anything else. Hah. Good luck finding a straight woman in Toronto. I saw so many women holding hands there. Disgusting how the lesbians stealing all our beautiful women!
November 7, 200816 yr Nice shots of the ... Sydney of Canada! "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
November 7, 200816 yr I'd take Cincinnati or Columbus over a saskatoon or Calgary or something, anyday. What does Calgary have to do with Toronto? Calgary is the Houston of Canada. It's by far their worst big city- just a car dependent oil boomtown. It's also the hub of redneck Canada. Mix Houston and Nashville, and you get Calgary. Even small cities like Windsor and London put it to damn shame. And Saskatoon?! Ha! :lol: You do realize that's basically comparable to Lima, right? The nice architecture is all still there under all that paint. The problem is they went without a plan, and garish architecture was an easy out. It's actually difficult to say whether they would have made more money with a better "city design" but considering the negative comments I hear from people regarding the city itself, I think they are actually missing out. 20 million visitors a year, nuff said. That's like five or six Cedar Points. It takes all of Cedar Fair put together to match Niagara these days (though Niagara doesn't close six months a year). It's one of the largest tourist economies on the continent. They must be doing something right. We'd kill for that kind of money in Ohio. And truth be told, with better marketing in the Islands region, legalized gambling, and looser drug laws, it could happen at Put-in-Bay. Make it the hedonism capital of the Midwest. Take back the night from Athens. It is poor and tacky. Canada has about 1/4th less GDP per capita than the United States. That's a pointless measure when talking about the living conditions of average joe. The U.S. has most its wealth concentrated in the top 5%. Money doesn't buy happiness. Hell, if I've got a cute French Canadian girl, live in a 1000 square foot apartment, and have Crown Royal, I don't need anything else. Besides, it bothers me that they don't like us and think we're imperialist warmongers when Russia would have taken them over by now if we didn't cover their @ss all these decades with our large military and political clout as a bordering country with a stake in Alaska. Good Canadian weed, I'm sure, but realize Russia would never attack Canada in the first place. Hell, the British are more likely to take it than Russia! We're more likely to see Oliver Perry cloned back to life fighting a new Battle of Lake Erie than see Russia attempt to take over Canada! :lol: They don't need it. They've got enough land and resources themselves. You know, people don't take over countries just for a few high grade strands of pot. That's really all Canada offers Russia that they don't already have. They'd probably rather take back a few countries from the former Soviet Union. That'd make far more sense. And if Canadians think we're imperialist war mongers (as does most of the world), look back at the last eight years. That perception will change since we've taken back our country from the war mongers. This is a new America. Give it a couple years, and the rest of the world will catch on. Imagine if they had gone for something like "quaint historic" like Michigan's Mackinaw Island. There's no way anyone can compete with the epic beauty and charm of northern Michigan in the summer (and really fall too). That's THE most beautiful area of the nation for two seasons. You've got gorgeous water, clean beaches, mountainous dunes, majestic coastlines, unbelievable forests, and now medical marijuana. The whole northern Michigan and UP region holds a trump card in many ways when it comes to a relaxing vacation. Not to take anything away from Niagara Falls, as it is one of the natural wonders of the world, but do realize it's targeting a completely different type of tourist and can cater far more to day and weekend tourists since there are a lot of big cities within a couple hours drive (Buffalo, Toronto, Rochester, Cleveland, Toledo, Detroit, etc.). It's not like the "relaxed vacation" that people are looking for in northern Michigan. Niagara is more Vegas than Mackinac. I ALMOST CAMPLETELY AGREE. ANYONE who says Canada is "Tacky and poor" CLEARLY has not spend a great deal of time there! AND just FYI, I'd take Calgary and little ole Sackatoon over the cesspools of Buffalo, Detroit, Gary, or a few places here in Ohio, ANY DAY! To quote an earlier comment, Canada is "The Promised Land"! Vive Le Canada! And while I can't speak for Northern Michigan, I would say Northern Quebec and the Canadian Rockies can compete with the beauty of Northern Michigan or any places for that matter!
November 7, 200816 yr And while I can't speak for Northern Michigan, I would say Northern Quebec and the Canadian Rockies can compete with the beauty of Northern Michigan or any places for that matter! Yeah, in terms of best places on the continent, they're certainly up there. Canadian Rockies are just epic. Still, there are some coastlines in Michigan that beat just about anything, and Michigan does have Sleeping Bear and Pictured Rocks. Michigan has some incredible beauty with the Great Lakes. Obviously, this is a different kind of beauty from the Canadian Rockies (and warmer too). Northern Michigan/UP is one market. Canadian Rockies are another, and then Niagara is its own world. All I'm saying is its silly to compare Toronto to an Ohio City. Chicago makes sense. Oh, and if you want to compare Calgary to a Texas city, El Paso would probably be more appropriate in terms of size. Yeah, of course, Toronto beats all of us put together 20 feet into the ground! :wink: While I'm personally partial to Montreal, Toronto is unmatched in some ways. And it terms of urban core, Calgary is actually comparable to Houston. Houston just has eons more sprawl, and that's saying a lot since Calgary is pretty sprawled to begin with. Also, I was making a point about energy industry. Houston = energy/oil hub of America. Calgary = energy/oil hub of Canada. Canadian cities typically have much larger and more functional urban cores than American cities of the same size, even the sprawled ones like Calgary. Urban Calgary does roughly equal urban Houston. Nice shots of the ... Sydney of Canada! YES, that'd be fair. :-D I would second that. I have been to London, Hamilton, Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, Quebec, St. John’s, and Halifax and I find that those downtowns are more intact and vibrant then most cities in the United States. Canadian cities where built on European/British Models and do not seem to have been as impacted by sprawl as American cities. Also, Canadian cities in the 60s did not suffer from race riots either. With the exception of Calgary and Edmonton, you just don’t get as much of your “typical” sprawl, although, eastern Toronto feels like it goes on for ever!
November 7, 200816 yr Also, Canadian cities in the 60s did not suffer from race either. No but they sure suffered from 60s Brutalism!
November 8, 200816 yr ^Actually, to say Canada hasn't had race problems would be a bit naive. There has been a long history of discrimination against Canada's First Nations groups much like there's been discrimination against Native Americans in America (though America is probably worse). Canada also has had ethnic conflicts, namely British-Canadian versus French-Canadian. While I would say the history of race and ethnic relations is better in Canada than the United States (well, duh, we had a massive slavery industry here and near total genocide of the natives), Canada has had problems. Canadians screwed natives over too. Many of those reserves in Canada have 75 percent unemployment. Drug addiction, even to gas fumes is a major problem in the NA community. Like the U.S., Canada basically said you can have some land but it sure as hell isn't going to be the most self sustaining and profitable land. Since Natives are such spiritual people and hold on to their traditions, they refused to assimilate into western capitalist culture. Even though I like to believe in the idea of capitalism, self reliance - indigenous cultures should be respected and taken care of after they were robbed. All of North America basically gave them a sh!tty deal, then bastardized their culture by taking the moral highground when they were forced to be so dependent on the government. Imagine if Niagara Falls were given to Indian Tribes. They could make a killing (and they would have triple the number of casinos untaxed! lol).
November 8, 200816 yr ^Actually, to say Canada hasn't had race problems would be a bit naive. There has been a long history of discrimination against Canada's First Nations groups much like there's been discrimination against Native Americans in America (though America is probably worse). Canada also has had ethnic conflicts, namely British-Canadian versus French-Canadian. While I would say the history of race and ethnic relations is better in Canada than the United States (well, duh, we had a massive slavery industry here and near total genocide of the natives), Canada has had problems. Umm I was meaning to say race RIOTS. And yes, I'm well aware of all of that, Thanks. Also, the turmoil in Canada in the 60's and 70's had more to do with the Quite Revolution than with race. Although racism has always been an issue in Canada, whether it be racism toward the Chinese in BC or the First Nations people in the rest of Canada.
November 8, 200816 yr Also, Canadian cities in the 60s did not suffer from race either. No but they sure suffered from 60s Brutalism! Thats obvious in Montreal!!!
November 8, 200816 yr Who DIDN'T the British Empire screw? LOL They oppressed the Native Americans, enslaved Africans, and got the Chinese hooked on opium.
November 12, 200816 yr Toronto outdated, poor, and tacky? :lol: Let's move to Michigan and hit that dank growing in the closet for "medical" reasons. It is poor and tacky. Canada has about 1/4th less GDP per capita than the United States. Kinda sad when you consider they're a smaller country and don't even have the advantage of GDP in quantitative terms like China. Investment in terms of urban development hits big cities around the world before anywhere else because it's a sure bet and provides a bigger return on investment. So when you look at how big Toronto is, it's kind of a let down seeing so many hideous buildings from the 60s/70s and nothing remodeled. Besides, it bothers me that they don't like us and think we're imperialist warmongers when Russia would have taken them over by now if we didn't cover their @ss all these decades with our large military and political clout as a bordering country with a stake in Alaska. Canada always has and always will be our b!tch. Just look how they agressively patrol and protect the arctic knowing we're right there on the bottom bunk if something goes down. Ha ha, this is funny! My sister and her family have lived in Canada for decades (much of my family comes from there going back to the 30’s--via Scandinavia), and it’s amazing how damn sanctimonious Canadians can be. I attribute it to their never-ending collective national inferiority complex. But like the so much of the rest of the world, Canada is able to enjoy a high standard of living and sense of security due to American power keeping the invaders at bay. And what do we get for it? A kick in the face! I somewhat disagree with your assessment as Toronto being poor & tacky. Toronto was for generations a stodgy outpost of the British Empire, and much of the older housing stock looks very staid, reflecting the tastes of the original ex-pat community. In the 60’s Toronto started to boom with immigrants from all over the world and essentially hasn’t stopped since, its population growing many times over. Unfortunately, so many of the new buildings lack character (though no more tacky looking than similar American developments), and the older ones that are left, from the earlier days as a smaller city, have been lost in the skyline; as there are new suburban subdivisions mushrooming for miles in every direction and everyone of them looks the same as the other. There are some highlights though, you just have to look harder for them. http://www.mainstreetpainesville.org/
November 12, 200816 yr No offense, but I find your suggestion that we need the good ole USA to defend Canada insulting! Canadians have been perfectly able to defend themselves for awhile. The US tried TWICE to invade and they lost both times! I swear, Americans are the most egotistical, pompous and hypocritical group of people I've EVER meet! Americans seem to think that without them, western civilization as we know it would end! And I do not know WHERE you get this whole inferiority complex notion. Its a stearotype and most Canadians I know, not only don't feel they are inferior, actually, they think Canada is FAR superior in alot of ways, such as in the areas of Healthcare, education, and wprld standing! I think Lewis Black says it best!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mCDZMWVWuc
November 13, 200816 yr And I do not know WHERE you get this whole inferiority complex notion. http://madcanuck.blogspot.com/2004/10/canadas-national-inferiority-complex.html Mad Canuck The rantings of a Canadian guy. WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 20, 2004 Canada's National Inferiority Complex I spent almost all my life living in Canada, and throughout most of it, I'd hear comparisons of Canada against the United States. I'd hear Canadian businesses comparing themselves against American businesses, Canadian professionals comparing themselves against American professionals, and Canadian cities comparing themselves against American cities. One of the things that really struck me when I first moved down here is the fact that Americans don't spend much time comparing themselves to anyone, or even to each other. American cities each have their own personalities, and may even have their own rivalries (e.g.: the New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox). But, you don't see New York comparing itself to Chicago, or Atlanta comparing itself to San Francisco. Each of these cities has their own unique flair, and all seem to be content with being themselves. Americans in general do not spend much (if any) time comparing the United States with other countries. Americans may travel and appreciate the differences with other countries, but are generally content with the United States the way it is. Since moving to the US, I've traveled to Canada several times, and sometimes I'm asked by Canadians what Americans think about a particular issue, such as the recent drop of the American dollar versus the Euro or against the Canadian dollar. They usually seem shocked when I tell them that most Americans just don't seem to care much at all. In 2002, an American fighter pilot flying his F-16 jet over Afghanistan mistakenly dropped a large bomb on a group of Canadian soldiers when he mistook their live-fire exercise for an attack on his aircraft. What was really striking was the difference in coverage of the incident between the Canadian press and the American press: in Canada, it was a huge scandal with big front-page newspaper articles and angry speeches in parliament, while in the United States it was much more subdued. It is not that Americans did not care about the issue, in fact the response here was pretty much the same as would have happened if the pilot had dropped a bomb on a bunch of American soldiers: he was tried before an American court martial, found guilty of dereliction of duty, and punished. Americans realized that, while the incident was tragic, it is not the first time a soldier has been killed by "friendly fire" and will certainly not be the last. Now for those Canadians reading this, think about this scenario: if it was a Canadian fighter pilot who dropped that bomb, would there have been such an outcry? I think not. I suspect if it were a Canadian pilot, the response would have been much more muted, and probably about the same level as we saw here in the United States. But, the fact that it was an American pilot meant that many Canadians perceived it as an attack on all Canadians by the whole United States, and took personal offense when Americans did not see it the same way. Canada in general seems to be suffering from a national inferiority complex, where Canadians feel insecure about their country's achievements, and their own strengths and capabilities. Canadians so easily get caught up in comparing themselves to each other and their southern neighbors that they can easily lose sight of what is superior about Canada. Most Americans I've met who have been to Canada tend to be very impressed with how clean the place is and how friendly the people are. The Canadian educational system is second to none and turns out a quality of graduate you can only get down here from an Ivy League school (at four times the cost). Canadian cities are clean, and filled with examples of beautiful architecture and well-designed facilities. Canadian politics are filled with terms like "regional disparity", and all sorts of regional rivalries. Quebeckers (québecois) hate English Canada because they think English Canada doesn't understand them. Western Canadians hate Ontario because they think Ontario has too much pull, and think Quebec is a province of whiners. The Atlantic provinces only care about their fishing industry, British Columbia its timber industry, and the northern territories just want the rest of Canada to leave them the hell alone. Here in the US, even though regional diversity is more pronounced, you don't hear much talk about it. Canadians really need to spend less time thinking about the differences between each other and between themselves and other countries, and take more pride in what makes Canada and themselves distinct. For me, it is ironic that I had to live outside Canada to discover that fact for myself. http://www.mainstreetpainesville.org/
November 14, 200816 yr And I do not know WHERE you get this whole inferiority complex notion. http://madcanuck.blogspot.com/2004/10/canadas-national-inferiority-complex.html Mad Canuck The rantings of a Canadian guy. WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 20, 2004 Canada's National Inferiority Complex I spent almost all my life living in Canada, and throughout most of it, I'd hear comparisons of Canada against the United States. I'd hear Canadian businesses comparing themselves against American businesses, Canadian professionals comparing themselves against American professionals, and Canadian cities comparing themselves against American cities. One of the things that really struck me when I first moved down here is the fact that Americans don't spend much time comparing themselves to anyone, or even to each other. American cities each have their own personalities, and may even have their own rivalries (e.g.: the New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox). But, you don't see New York comparing itself to Chicago, or Atlanta comparing itself to San Francisco. Each of these cities has their own unique flair, and all seem to be content with being themselves. Americans in general do not spend much (if any) time comparing the United States with other countries. Americans may travel and appreciate the differences with other countries, but are generally content with the United States the way it is. Since moving to the US, I've traveled to Canada several times, and sometimes I'm asked by Canadians what Americans think about a particular issue, such as the recent drop of the American dollar versus the Euro or against the Canadian dollar. They usually seem shocked when I tell them that most Americans just don't seem to care much at all. In 2002, an American fighter pilot flying his F-16 jet over Afghanistan mistakenly dropped a large bomb on a group of Canadian soldiers when he mistook their live-fire exercise for an attack on his aircraft. What was really striking was the difference in coverage of the incident between the Canadian press and the American press: in Canada, it was a huge scandal with big front-page newspaper articles and angry speeches in parliament, while in the United States it was much more subdued. It is not that Americans did not care about the issue, in fact the response here was pretty much the same as would have happened if the pilot had dropped a bomb on a bunch of American soldiers: he was tried before an American court martial, found guilty of dereliction of duty, and punished. Americans realized that, while the incident was tragic, it is not the first time a soldier has been killed by "friendly fire" and will certainly not be the last. Now for those Canadians reading this, think about this scenario: if it was a Canadian fighter pilot who dropped that bomb, would there have been such an outcry? I think not. I suspect if it were a Canadian pilot, the response would have been much more muted, and probably about the same level as we saw here in the United States. But, the fact that it was an American pilot meant that many Canadians perceived it as an attack on all Canadians by the whole United States, and took personal offense when Americans did not see it the same way. Canada in general seems to be suffering from a national inferiority complex, where Canadians feel insecure about their country's achievements, and their own strengths and capabilities. Canadians so easily get caught up in comparing themselves to each other and their southern neighbors that they can easily lose sight of what is superior about Canada. Most Americans I've met who have been to Canada tend to be very impressed with how clean the place is and how friendly the people are. The Canadian educational system is second to none and turns out a quality of graduate you can only get down here from an Ivy League school (at four times the cost). Canadian cities are clean, and filled with examples of beautiful architecture and well-designed facilities. Canadian politics are filled with terms like "regional disparity", and all sorts of regional rivalries. Quebeckers (québecois) hate English Canada because they think English Canada doesn't understand them. Western Canadians hate Ontario because they think Ontario has too much pull, and think Quebec is a province of whiners. The Atlantic provinces only care about their fishing industry, British Columbia its timber industry, and the northern territories just want the rest of Canada to leave them the hell alone. Here in the US, even though regional diversity is more pronounced, you don't hear much talk about it. Canadians really need to spend less time thinking about the differences between each other and between themselves and other countries, and take more pride in what makes Canada and themselves distinct. For me, it is ironic that I had to live outside Canada to discover that fact for myself. When we were in Canada in the hotel room, I remember Obama was on every friggin station on TV. It's like they really look up to us an watch our every move like we have celebrity status. I mean EVERY single news station. They LOVE Obama! This was before he was even elected. I think countries that are more socialist tend to love Obama because they still look up to the United States and know that if we pick a Democrat, it sort of validates their own policies/beliefs for them. What I love is that we ended up voting in a minority Democrat proving that in at least some ways we're more progressive than Canada and Europe :) Chad - What I meant is that Canada's military budget is extremely small - les than half the size of Russia's. In fact, I think Taiwan has a bigger military budget than Canada, or at least they did a few years ago. Now, with the U.S. being the warmonger that it is and having other countries shaking in their boots - Canada is able to spend their money on domestic issues since they have us as their biggest trading partner and bordering nation. I just think the U.S. deserves a little respect for enabling them to have such a low military budget to focus on things like free healthcare. The U.S. also has taken the brunt as privatized healthcare has meant medical breakthroughs from private R&D funding. There has been virtually no major breakthroughs coming out of Canada. Again, I just think the U.S. deserves a little respect for allowing them to be more socialist because we're more capitalist. I think the idea of free health care and less war sounds great.
November 14, 200816 yr wow great street views david. good work. And Toronto does beat Chicago in international flavor. The immigrant flow in Toronto is probably tops in North America. Hell, it's got to be among the top in the world. yes and no. the "flow" is most certainly not tops in north america, but the percentage as compared to it's own metro population likely is. for example, chicago has double the foreign born population of toronto, but the percentage or "flavor" is going to be less noticeable in a bigger city. still, you could rightly make the case that chicago, for example, is double the immigrant magnet that toronto is. http://www.voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/734 *i poked around and looked at ohio immigration for comparison: columbus metro is pretty clear cut. it has around 100k known immigrants and so runs around approx 8% foreign born (so it's the ohio "flavor" winner). and cleveland metro has more foreign born (making it the ohio "flow" winner), but the % is less. cols msa http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_research957b_sup cleveland pmsa http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_research0b07_sup cinci pmsa http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_research75c0_sup
November 14, 200816 yr I don't understand what a pmsa is? Why is Cincinnati's population so low there compared to our MSA, and why is it lower in the 2005 estimate than the 2000?
November 14, 200816 yr And I do not know WHERE you get this whole inferiority complex notion. http://madcanuck.blogspot.com/2004/10/canadas-national-inferiority-complex.html Mad Canuck The rantings of a Canadian guy. WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 20, 2004 Canada's National Inferiority Complex I spent almost all my life living in Canada, and throughout most of it, I'd hear comparisons of Canada against the United States. I'd hear Canadian businesses comparing themselves against American businesses, Canadian professionals comparing themselves against American professionals, and Canadian cities comparing themselves against American cities. One of the things that really struck me when I first moved down here is the fact that Americans don't spend much time comparing themselves to anyone, or even to each other. American cities each have their own personalities, and may even have their own rivalries (e.g.: the New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox). But, you don't see New York comparing itself to Chicago, or Atlanta comparing itself to San Francisco. Each of these cities has their own unique flair, and all seem to be content with being themselves. Americans in general do not spend much (if any) time comparing the United States with other countries. Americans may travel and appreciate the differences with other countries, but are generally content with the United States the way it is. Since moving to the US, I've traveled to Canada several times, and sometimes I'm asked by Canadians what Americans think about a particular issue, such as the recent drop of the American dollar versus the Euro or against the Canadian dollar. They usually seem shocked when I tell them that most Americans just don't seem to care much at all. In 2002, an American fighter pilot flying his F-16 jet over Afghanistan mistakenly dropped a large bomb on a group of Canadian soldiers when he mistook their live-fire exercise for an attack on his aircraft. What was really striking was the difference in coverage of the incident between the Canadian press and the American press: in Canada, it was a huge scandal with big front-page newspaper articles and angry speeches in parliament, while in the United States it was much more subdued. It is not that Americans did not care about the issue, in fact the response here was pretty much the same as would have happened if the pilot had dropped a bomb on a bunch of American soldiers: he was tried before an American court martial, found guilty of dereliction of duty, and punished. Americans realized that, while the incident was tragic, it is not the first time a soldier has been killed by "friendly fire" and will certainly not be the last. Now for those Canadians reading this, think about this scenario: if it was a Canadian fighter pilot who dropped that bomb, would there have been such an outcry? I think not. I suspect if it were a Canadian pilot, the response would have been much more muted, and probably about the same level as we saw here in the United States. But, the fact that it was an American pilot meant that many Canadians perceived it as an attack on all Canadians by the whole United States, and took personal offense when Americans did not see it the same way. Canada in general seems to be suffering from a national inferiority complex, where Canadians feel insecure about their country's achievements, and their own strengths and capabilities. Canadians so easily get caught up in comparing themselves to each other and their southern neighbors that they can easily lose sight of what is superior about Canada. Most Americans I've met who have been to Canada tend to be very impressed with how clean the place is and how friendly the people are. The Canadian educational system is second to none and turns out a quality of graduate you can only get down here from an Ivy League school (at four times the cost). Canadian cities are clean, and filled with examples of beautiful architecture and well-designed facilities. Canadian politics are filled with terms like "regional disparity", and all sorts of regional rivalries. Quebeckers (québecois) hate English Canada because they think English Canada doesn't understand them. Western Canadians hate Ontario because they think Ontario has too much pull, and think Quebec is a province of whiners. The Atlantic provinces only care about their fishing industry, British Columbia its timber industry, and the northern territories just want the rest of Canada to leave them the hell alone. Here in the US, even though regional diversity is more pronounced, you don't hear much talk about it. Canadians really need to spend less time thinking about the differences between each other and between themselves and other countries, and take more pride in what makes Canada and themselves distinct. For me, it is ironic that I had to live outside Canada to discover that fact for myself. LOL Wow, one article from 2004. Aren't you smart! This article is full of generalization which do not reflect on the average Canadian. Most Canadians not only do not compare themselves to Americans, but they have no desire to be anything like Americans or America. Most of my friends actually feel bad for me! They tell me"Wow, your from the US, Sorry about that eh!" They love Canada and everything it has to offer and they would NEVER trade their Canadian Citizenship for American in a million years! And why would they? They would have to give up a healthcare system which covers all, an excellent educational system, clean and safe streets, and a clean environment! Ohh yes, the temptations of being like America, hated by the world, are so great! So thanks for reinforcing the stereotype of the ignorant, pompous American! In regards to Canadian Politics, its not that much different then the US. In Canada, its English vs French, East vs West. But in the USA, as we have seen in this election, its Gay vs Straight, Black vs white, citizen vs immigrants (illegals). Every country has factions and every faction bitchs about the others, thats politics! I mean look at the UK, you now have a pro-independence government in Scottland which wants a referendum on Independence in 2010, and there is even a group in Wales which wants the same thing! But again, thats politics! David, we don't need a huge army because WE don't illegal invade and occupy other countries. Canada is not a threat to anyone and they are not a threat to Canada!
November 14, 200816 yr http://www.thestar.com/FederalElection/article/516435 New Canadian is proud to support party that upholds Canada's ideals Oct 13, 2008 04:30 AM This year, after living for 41 years in this country, I can now know the honour of calling myself a Canadian citizen. The citizenship process provided me an opportunity to reflect on how growing up in this beautiful country has shaped me. At a young age, I began to learn what it meant to be Canadian. My parents introduced me to the diversity of cultures in Canada, I was taught we are a nation of peacekeepers. In Grade 5 I remember a story from a schoolmate, whose sister stitched a Canadian flag to her knapsack before leaving to go explore the world. I later got to experience that welcoming sentiment first-hand in my own travels when I told people I lived in Canada. Born in the United States, with many relatives there, I saw few differences between us as people, but I slowly grew to understand and appreciate the distinct policy differences between the two countries on issues such as health care, gun control and immigration. These differences reinforced in me a sense of what it means to be Canadian. I experienced true Canadian pride when Canada did not join the U.S. in Iraq and refused to accept the justification the United States gave for invading Iraq. It warmed my heart when preparing to become a Canadian citizen that the very values I felt intuitively growing up in Canada were confirmed in the citizenship booklet: "Canadian values include freedom, respect for cultural differences and a commitment to social justice. We are proud of the fact that we are a peaceful nation." But the same month that I became a Canadian citizen, a bill was passed that chose expediency over fairness for our immigration laws, the military commitment in Afghanistan had just been renewed and we continue to let a Canadian sit in an American prison on death row. No schools in some of our aboriginal communities and giving up on a commitment we made to the world in Kyoto also do not align with the vision I grew up with of Canada. As I experience my first election as a citizen and assess my choice, you can be sure that the person I vote for will be the one who I believe most closely reflects the ideals that have made me the Canadian I am. Christophe Elie, Ottawa We are not a perfect nation, or a perfect people, but Canadians have so much to be proud of, and more so, proud to NOT be Americans!
November 14, 200816 yr http://thevancouversuncontests.com/canadaday/feedback.html Thank you for entering our Canada Day contest and telling us what makes you Proud to be Canadian.. This is what you had to say about being proud to be Canadian: There are so many countries in the world in a turmoil and our young men and women volunteer to bring stability to their people. Until you travel outside this continent you don't and can't realize how fortunate we are. We have internal problems but we are FREE!! We can vote without retaliation!! CANADA is THE place to live!! Ev Adams, Surrey The red and white flag with the maple leaf. The freedom to express my opinion to travel and live my life in a manner in which I choose. Knowing that my grandparents were welcomed into this country freely which in turn created a better life for myself and my parents. The Canadian Rockies The Prairies and The Eastern Coast. The feeling of being safe and being home whenever I arrive back from a foreign country. These are the things that make me proud to be a Canadian. Darlene Bunio, Coquitlam We are a peaceful nation. Heidi Clark, Vancouver When I travel around the world where I meet many people - professional artists thespians etc. and invariable a dispute or a point of controversy would arise. More so with people of strong opinions. In every case I am asked to be the arbitrator because I am a Canadian and because of this fact the gathering would feel I would be the most fair and diplomatic person to amicably settle the dispute in question. Fi Dastoor, Vancouver I am filled with pride for my country Canada because of the respect it receives from the rest of the world. Also because of the care we give to citizens of countries who are not as fortunate as us. We are free to make our own choices. We are free to vote for whom we want we can choose our education career(s) religion whom to marry how many children to have. This is the best place on Earth! I am so thankful to be a Canadian! Tamara Davidson, Kelowna I emigrated to Canada in 1968 from the UK. After many years here I decided that this was the country for me and I loved being a Canadian. While still having ties to the "old country" I am proud of my adopted country and all it stands for. I love hockey and cheer for the Vancouver Canucks and there is no place in the world better than Vancouver and its magnificent scenery. Life here is so much easier especially as one grows older. I love to show visitors around my lovely city and am proud to call it home. Patricia Dent, Vancouver Canadians have made such a large impact on the world with thier discoveries and inventions without chest beating eg. Banting and Best - insulin. Dennis Donnelly, North Vancouver I am proud to be Canadian because I love Canada's historic cultural diversity. I recently returned from Quebec where I spent a month learning French and the Quebecois culture. Although our provinces are united under the Canadian banner Quebec strongly retains it's traditional culture that is so unique to Canada. This opportunity allowed me to understand and experience all aspects of what is means to be Canadian. Canada's open attitude to preserving cultures extends far beyond the official role of the Quebecois culture and welcomes many new traditions into our country. This is why I am a proud Canadian. Nicole Dublanko, Vancouver I am proud to be a canadian because the country is BEAUTIFUL!! The air is clean and I feel free as bird. There are alot of jobs out here. We have four seasons that are fabulous and amazing!! The people are friendly!! We have a chance to speak our voice. We have majestic mountians and vast forests. We our war zone free!!! I'm proud because we our enviromentally clean country. We have great education. I am proud most of all because this country is just one big GRATEFUL TO LIVE IN!!! Kim Eadie, North Vancouver My husband and I just became Canadian citizens last Thursday and we are proud of so many things. I am proud that 19 nationalities were represented that day. I am proud that I can walk the streets of my neighborhood and feel safe. I am proud that Canada is sensitive to the problems of other countries but doesn't interfere in violent ways. I am proud that I can practice a religion or more importantly choose not to. I am proud to vote next time. I am proud that you accepted me and I intend to live up to that. Barbara Fairchild, Vancouver I am proud to be Canadian because of people like Terry Fox and Rick Hansen who have shown every nation that one person truly can change the world for the better of us all. Dareen Frew, Richmond I came from Switzerland 20 years ago and this is the country which I am meant to live. I live in God's country... where else do you have the ocean lakes mountains and the most gorgeous scenery in the world all in one country? I love the great outdoors and am truly blessed to be a part of it all and have never looked back! Marcel Gregori, North Vancouver When I visit other countries around the world I wear a Canadian flag pin. I wear this pin beccause I am proud of my heritage and I know that people love Canadians. We are recognized as a friendly country well respected and admired by other nationalities. I recently took a trip from British Columbia to Prince Edward Island. I loved the experience of knowing we have the most beautiful landscape in the world on both sides of our country and very friendly welcoming people. I am lucky to be a Canadian. Dawn Lantela, Coquitlam I am proud to be Canadian as we are different people all under one flag. We accept all cultures and religions and embrace them. We accept all people for who they are and help them become Canadians. I am proud to be a Canadian for what we stand for honesty empathy and caring. Lynn Lilje, Surrey I'm proud to be Canadian because we have the prettiest money.(Would love to have the purple bills). We get along with each other comapred to other countries no wars here. People in other countries like us better than others. We don't get taxed on lottery winnings not that I've ever won. We have Much Music. There are quite a few good bands and actors that are Canadian. Can't think of anything else right now. It would be much easier to think of things to complain about. Have a good day. Pick me Please :). Jennifer McCauley, Surrey I am PROUD TO BE CANADIAN because my grandparents and their parents help to build this country to be the best place to live in this world. We can be proud that those before us fought for us all to live in a peaceful nation and provided opportunities for us and all that come to our country for a better life. Kim Pike, North Vancouver We have the most beautiful country. I believe that the people from the 1800 & 1900's made this country what it is today. The farmers of the praries the railroad workersthe loggers you name the profession. They worked so hard and were so proud. They also loved this country and became Canadian citizens. Our history is amazing and such a melting pot of nations which make it what it is today. I wouldn't live anywhere else. We are truly a respected country. CHEERS!!!!! Elsa Tod, Burnaby Living in a pollution-free environment that is accessible for everyone is a goal for Canadians. It makes me proud that the outspoken environmentalist David Suzuki tirelessly tries to educate the public to protect and care for our earth air water and make ecological changes in our lifestyle so that rather than self destruct we will live a healthier more interconnected life style with other living animals and plants who also share Earth with us. Mike Vint, Vancouver I'm proud to be Canadian for a number of reasons. The most important reason is that we live in a multicultural society that welcomes everyone globally. We take in those from war-torn countries as well as the prosperous. I love the social safety net that we still have in Canada. And I believe injustice and compassion that exist in our daily lives. Celia Yeung, Vancouver Oh dear, here we go again! Those crazy Canadians, comparing themselves to Americans and clearly having an inferiority complex!
November 14, 200816 yr I don't mind my photo thread being concerned with soc/political/econ differences between American and Canadian cities but I don't think the best way to support an argument is by posting blog entries.
November 14, 200816 yr Umm then what would you call the star? Its an article about someone who is PROUD TO BE CANADIAN AND NOT AMERICAN! I'm simply pointing out that despite the early ignorant assertion, most Canadians do not compare themselves to Americans or America!
November 15, 200816 yr http://thevancouversuncontests.com/canadaday/feedback.html Thank you for entering our Canada Day contest and telling us what makes you Proud to be Canadian.. This is what you had to say about being proud to be Canadian: The freedom to express my opinion to travel and live my life in a manner in which I choose. Darlene Bunio, Coquitlam "David, we don't need a huge army because WE don't illegal invade and occupy other countries. Canada is not a threat to anyone and they are not a threat to Canada!" ^Please don’t tell me you’re that naïve. Imagine, a peace-loving country being invaded by a big, powerful one intent on conquering it! That’s hardly ever happened in history, has it!!??? And those personal “testimonials," though sincere, sound like the same sort of platitudes that any newly-minted American citizen could have written. I mean, it’s not as if millions of grateful immigrants from around the world don’t become US citizens every year, is it? Hmmm, and then there’s that little matter of free speech (re "freedom to express my opinion" above). Not such a big deal in Canada, eh? (except I fear that in coming years that even here our speech may become limited. A sad commentary) Excerpted below. Read full article: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/12/us/12hate.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin June 12, 2008 AMERICAN EXCEPTION Unlike Others, U.S. Defends Freedom to Offend in Speech By ADAM LIPTAK VANCOUVER, British Columbia — A couple of years ago, a Canadian magazine published an article arguing that the rise of Islam threatened Western values. The article’s tone was mocking and biting, but it said nothing that conservative magazines and blogs in the United States do not say every day without fear of legal reprisal. Things are different here. The magazine is on trial. Two members of the Canadian Islamic Congress say the magazine, Maclean’s, Canada’s leading newsweekly, violated a provincial hate speech law by stirring up hatred against Muslims. They say the magazine should be forbidden from saying similar things, forced to publish a rebuttal and made to compensate Muslims for injuring their “dignity, feelings and self-respect.” The British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal, which held five days of hearings on those questions here last week, will soon rule on whether Maclean’s violated the law. As spectators lined up for the afternoon session last week, an argument broke out. “It’s hate speech!” yelled one man. “It’s free speech!” yelled another. In the United States, that debate has been settled. Under the First Amendment, newspapers and magazines can say what they like about minorities and religions — even false, provocative or hateful things — without legal consequence. http://www.mainstreetpainesville.org/
November 15, 200816 yr Please don't tell me your that dumb! Only a few of those were from immigrants, the rest are from native born Canadians. The fact that you don't seem able to understand that Canadians are just as proud of their country as you, once again says how ignorant and narrow minded you are. I mean c'mon, when was the last time you were IN CANADA OR TALKED TO A CANADIAN? My guess is, its been awhile. And in Canada, we have Free Speech! Section 2 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms states " Everyone has the following Fundamental Rights; freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication" The Supreme Court of Canada has stated that you have the right to say what you want, provided that it is not hate speech meant to insight hate or violence against an identifiable group! In Canada we believe in protecting all citizens from the threat of hatred and violence, whether they are Muslims, Jewish, or whatever. And are slow or something? Do you know ANYTHING about the military history of Canada? Canada was involved in WWI and WWII well before the US grew a pair. So don't lecture me on "Fighting for Freedom". Canada entered WWI on August 14th 1914 and WWII on Sept 10th 1939. When the US was hiding in a corner, brave Canadian Men and Woman were fighting and dying in the trenches of France or fighting in Italy. And that tradition of services continues in Afghanistan, a war which YOU started and asked us to help you fight!
November 15, 200816 yr >I swear, Americans are the most egotistical, pompous and hypocritical group of people I've EVER meet! Well leave then...the door's wide open. >Americans seem to think that without them, western civilization as we know it would end! If the US suffered a multi-city nuclear attack, the rest of the civilized world would truly descend into chaos within 24 hours. >And I do not know WHERE you get this whole inferiority complex notion. Maybe from real live Canadians? Canada has 1/10th the population if the US and so can't be expected to have the same world influence.
November 15, 200816 yr >I swear, Americans are the most egotistical, pompous and hypocritical group of people I've EVER meet! Well leave then...the door's wide open. >Americans seem to think that without them, western civilization as we know it would end! If the US suffered a multi-city nuclear attack, the rest of the civilized world would truly descend into chaos within 24 hours. >And I do not know WHERE you get this whole inferiority complex notion. Maybe from real live Canadians? Canada has 1/10th the population if the US and so can't be expected to have the same world influence. LOL I only speak the truth, the comments about Canada and Canadians on this threat prove how moronic and egotistical some Americans are! And I'll leave when I'm good and ready! And yes, the world would be a mess, thats because the US is the worlds largest economy, so duh! And what does having a smaller population have with having an inferiority complex? Germany, the UK, and Italy have smaller populations and no one says that have a complex! So whats your point! And just FYI, I speak to Canadians daily and none of them have a complex!
November 15, 200816 yr Chadoh21, I thought you lived in Columbus. What exactly is your connection to Canada?
November 15, 200816 yr Umm I'm immigrating there, I have friends there, and I lived there and went to school there.
November 15, 200816 yr Really?? I thought about going to Concordia, which is near by! I hear McGill is a REALLY good school! I love Montreal. I went to L'universite du Quebec a Chicoutimi for French over summer semester two summers ago! I loved it! The PQ sh!t was annoyiong, but the people in Quebec are VERY nice and when I messed up in French, they just smiled and tried to help me out! If my French was better, I would have applied for a job in Quebec. But its not, so I applied in Ontario, Nova Scotia, and Alberta! I think I have a good shot at getting the job at the Atles Mines National Historic site this summer, mostly because of my degree! And yeah, I'm from Columbus go I go to school at Cleveland State. I graduate in December though! Thanks God! lol I'm so over school!
November 15, 200816 yr A girl I met through a friend goes there (McGill), she said it's the "Harvard of Canada". I still talk to her on the phone sometimes. She loves Montreal too, and she's from NYC so Montreal must be pretty nice. I suppose if I were gay and wanting to get married or were a little more socialist, I would move to Canada but I'd rather live in a U.S. ran by the Obama administration than live up here.
November 15, 200816 yr A girl I met through a friend goes there (McGill), she said it's the "Harvard of Canada". funny, my nephew who went to the University of Toronto seems to think it is the "Harvard of Canada." :speech: :roll: http://www.mainstreetpainesville.org/
November 15, 200816 yr Good review of the newly renovated/enlarged Art Gallery of Ontario as redesigned by Toronto’s own Frank Gehry: Full article: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/15/arts/design/15gehr.html ARCHITECTURE REVIEW | ART GALLERY OF ONTARIO Gehry Puts a Very Different Signature on His Old Hometown’s Museum By NICOLAI OUROUSSOFF Published: November 14, 2008 TORONTO — Frank Gehry has often said that he likes to forge deep emotional bonds with his architecture projects. But the commission to renovate the Art Gallery of Ontario here must have been especially fraught for him. Mr. Gehry grew up on a windy, tree-lined street in a working-class neighborhood not far from the museum. His grandmother lived around the corner, where she kept live carp handy in the bathtub for making her gefilte fish. Given that this is Mr. Gehry’s first commission in his native city, you might expect the building to be a surreal kind of self-reckoning, a voyage through the architect’s subconscious. So the new Art Gallery of Ontario, which opened to the public on Friday, may catch some fans of the architect off guard. Rather than a tumultuous creation, this may be one of Mr. Gehry’s most gentle and self-possessed designs. It is not a perfect building, yet its billowing glass facade, which evokes a crystal ship drifting through the city, is a masterly example of how to breathe life into a staid old structure... http://www.mainstreetpainesville.org/
November 15, 200816 yr A girl I met through a friend goes there (McGill), she said it's the "Harvard of Canada". funny, my nephew who went to the University of Toronto seems to think it is the "Harvard of Canada." :speech: :roll: Yeah I've heard that too. I thought about going there, but my GPA wasn't high enough =-0(
November 15, 200816 yr A girl I met through a friend goes there (McGill), she said it's the "Harvard of Canada". funny, my nephew who went to the University of Toronto seems to think it is the "Harvard of Canada." :speech: :roll: Yeah I've heard that too. I thought about going there, but my GPA wasn't high enough =-0( my other nephew went to York University, which is also considered pretty good. It's a huge school and I think it started as a kind of offshoot of Univ. of Toronto about 50 years ago, now with a main campus in the nearby suburbs. http://www.mainstreetpainesville.org/
November 15, 200816 yr A girl I met through a friend goes there (McGill), she said it's the "Harvard of Canada". funny, my nephew who went to the University of Toronto seems to think it is the "Harvard of Canada." :speech: :roll: Yeah I've heard that too. I thought about going there, but my GPA wasn't high enough =-0( I know. Same with me. My GPA was only 3.2. She went to Bronx School of Science which is pretty much a license to go anywhere - it was her safety net college if she didn't get into MIT. :roll: She got to ride the subway to H.S. every day which really p!sses me off. She loves talking about urban planning and architecture. If she didn't live so far away right now I'd definitely be going after her! Everyone on this site knows how rare it is to find an intelligent woman thats into the urban stuff.
November 16, 200816 yr At this time when I think of canada, All I can say is mmmmuffins I mean http://www.mmmuffins.com/
November 16, 200816 yr wow great street views david. good work. And Toronto does beat Chicago in international flavor. The immigrant flow in Toronto is probably tops in North America. Hell, it's got to be among the top in the world. yes and no. the "flow" is most certainly not tops in north america, but the percentage as compared to it's own metro population likely is. for example, chicago has double the foreign born population of toronto, but the percentage or "flavor" is going to be less noticeable in a bigger city. still, you could rightly make the case that chicago, for example, is double the immigrant magnet that toronto is. http://www.voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/734 *i poked around and looked at ohio immigration for comparison: columbus metro is pretty clear cut. it has around 100k known immigrants and so runs around approx 8% foreign born (so it's the ohio "flavor" winner). and cleveland metro has more foreign born (making it the ohio "flow" winner), but the % is less. cols msa http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_research957b_sup cleveland pmsa http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_research0b07_sup cinci pmsa http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_research75c0_sup I don't know where you got your information concerning immigrant populations in Toronto and Chicago, but it's incorrect. Toronto has a larger foreign born population than Chicago both percentage wise and in raw numbers. Here's a list of the top ten world cities (metro areas) with the largest foreign born populations. The first set of numbers is the foreign born population, the second is the metro population, and the third is the percentage of foreign born in the metro. The country names listed after the numbers represent the two largest source nations in the respective city's immigrant population. Keep in mind that Toronto's numbers are from 2001 and Chicago's are from 2005, and Toronto has grown significantly since then, and Canada's definition of what constitutes a "metro" area is much more restrictive than the huge "consolidated" metros in the US. 1. New York 5.117.290--18.351.099--27.89% (2005) Dominican Rep, China 2. Los Angeles 4.407.210--12.703.423--34.69% (2005) Mexico, Philippines 3. Toronto 2.091.100--4.647.960--44.99% (2001) China, India 4. Miami 1.949.629--5.334.685--36.55% (2005) Cuba, Haiti 5. London 1.940.390--7.172.091--27.05% (2001) India, Ireland 6. Chicago 1.625.649--9.272.117--17.53% (2005) Mexico, Poland 7. Sydney 1.235.908--3.961.451--31.20% (2001) UK, China 8. San Francisco 1.201.209--4.071.751--29.50% (2005) Mexico, Philippines 9. Moscow--1.128.035--10.382.754--10.90% (2002) Ukraine, Azerbaijan 10. Houston--1.113.875--5.193.448--21.45% (2005) Mexico, El Salvador
November 16, 200816 yr I'm a bit surprised by London's trend - given Dublin's rapid economic growth in the past 10-15 years.
November 16, 200816 yr At this time when I think of canada, All I can say is mmmmuffins I mean http://www.mmmuffins.com/ Mmmmarvelous Mmmuffins of Canada!
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