November 16, 200816 yr >You know how like...you walk through a new indoor or outdoor lifestyle center mall and there's like 50 storefronts in a row on each side? Well...that's the short north, except its in a real urban setting and most of the businesses aren't chains. I don't know why you keep quoting me - looking perplexed. -Ah, I see. As far as a continuous strip of shopping, I'd agree. The Short North is an excellent neighorhood or business district or whatever it is, and I love that it's pretty much a straight line of continuous development. You are right when you say that Cinci doesn't have that, as Cincinnati's business districts are more spread out through different neighborhoods, probably due to topography. It does. Daveeds, Nicola's, Via Vite, Boca, Jean Ro, Nada, Honey, Pigall's, The Cincinnatian. These places have menus created by world class chefs. Can you show me any documentation? Something...anything?? Who are these "world class" chefs? What criteria are you using to determine "world class"? I'm not sure what "documentation" you want, but here is the shakedown of Mobil ratings for the 3 C's: Cincinnati- six 3 star restaurants, one 4 star Cleveland- four 3 stars, zero 4 stars Columbus- four 3 stars, zero 4 stars Plus, Cincinnati had the longest running 5 Star restaurant in the country in The Maisonette, from which came Jean Robert, who owns the only 4 star restaurant in Ohio, Pigalls. So I would feel comfortable saying that while I don't know if Cincinnati's fine dining scene is "world class" (who even knows what world class means...), Cincy is the leader in the state of Ohio when it comes to fine dining.
November 16, 200816 yr Guys, no more Cinci-vs-Col-vs-Cleve dining/retail scene talk. Back on topic, please.
November 16, 200816 yr Can this become a separate thread? I know it's not fair to get so far off topic and I know a lot of people get annoyed by the comparisons but some of us enjoy critiquing and comparing cities. If not, maybe all this should be deleted. Besides, there's no reason for anyone to have to be exposed to Bette Midler in a Lifestyle Center thread!
November 16, 200816 yr ^Wow interestin video! NExt time I feel the desire to be around a bunch of hippies who weren't cool enough to move to NYC or see an ~indie band~ with a sousaphone I know where to go! AWESOME! That's exactly my thoughts after watching that too. Yeah, that was a horrific video (not technically, just the content). I haven't been that frightened since Catholic gradeschool. They talked about diversity, but basically all they showed us were white people, and goofy white people at that! Yeah, really sells Columbus...:roll: Christ, rule number one of video making- make it sexy! Put in someone who looks like a porn star just to balance it out and make it look good. One Raven Riley (OSU fan anyway) can make up for ten Kirsten Dunsts. I saw no Raven Riley, so give me back my three minutes, dammit! This is America! Take back the night! It's corny videos like that perpetuate the cowtown reputation. It looked like a small corn-fed town with an arts scene (surprisingly like downtown Findlay) and sh!tty "feel good" music, not a major city with real diversity or culture. The video was a disservice to the city of Columbus. You know, God hates OAR for a reason. They're ten times worse than Nickelback, and rank somewhere between Hitler and Mao Zedong on the scale of world destruction. No city that produces OAR can say they have a good music scene. Columbus is banned for life from ever bragging about music because of that. Until some other city comes along and produces something worse (and no, Dave Mathews Band is not worse), Columbus will always be known for America's worst music. One band destroyed the reputation of the city for centuries to come. It's the sad reality of an idiotic college drinking band that's just in it for the ass getting heavily promoted and sold out to suburban teens nationwide. Live by the OAR, die by the OAR. They're a lifestyle center in music form. Seriously, I thought I was watching a video of Oberlin to be honest. The only people who would think that THAT is some NYC-caliber neighborhood are the suburban 40 somethings that live in New Albany and have never traveled out of the tri-state area.
November 16, 200816 yr ^Wow interestin video! NExt time I feel the desire to be around a bunch of hippies who weren't cool enough to move to NYC or see an ~indie band~ with a sousaphone I know where to go! AWESOME! That's exactly my thoughts after watching that too. Yeah, that was a horrific video (not technically, just the content). I haven't been that frightened since Catholic gradeschool. They talked about diversity, but basically all they showed us were white people, and goofy white people at that! Yeah, really sells Columbus...:roll: Christ, rule number one of video making- make it sexy! Put in someone who looks like a porn star just to balance it out and make it look good. One Raven Riley (OSU fan anyway) can make up for ten Kirsten Dunsts. I saw no Raven Riley, so give me back my three minutes, dammit! This is America! Take back the night! It's corny videos like that perpetuate the cowtown reputation. It looked like a small corn-fed town with an arts scene (surprisingly like downtown Findlay) and sh!tty "feel good" music, not a major city with real diversity or culture. The video was a disservice to the city of Columbus. You know, God hates OAR for a reason. They're ten times worse than Nickelback, and rank somewhere between Hitler and Mao Zedong on the scale of world destruction. No city that produces OAR can say they have a good music scene. Columbus is banned for life from ever bragging about music because of that. Until some other city comes along and produces something worse (and no, Dave Mathews Band is not worse), Columbus will always be known for America's worst music. One band destroyed the reputation of the city for centuries to come. It's the sad reality of an idiotic college drinking band that's just in it for the ass getting heavily promoted and sold out to suburban teens nationwide. Live by the OAR, die by the OAR. They're a lifestyle center in music form. Seriously, I thought I was watching a video of Oberlin to be honest. The only people who would think that THAT is some NYC-caliber neighborhood are the suburban 40 somethings that live in New Albany and have never traveled out of the tri-state area. Hi hater :wave: I just wanted a visual to go along with the point. People in Columbus don't compare the SN to NYC. SN isn't in an identity crisis. However, it's the same cycle as areas in NYC in the sense that it was crime ridden, a haven for artists, then gays moved in and gentrified, then rich straight people with their strollers moved in talking about a diversity that probably moved as far as Franklinton by now. For Columbus being the size that it is, it's pretty impressive that it has taken such a drastic transformation since the 80s when people were afraid to even drive through there.
November 16, 200816 yr You know, God hates OAR for a reason. They're ten times worse than Nickelback, and rank somewhere between Hitler and Mao Zedong on the scale of world destruction. No city that produces OAR can say they have a good music scene. Columbus is banned for life from ever bragging about music because of that. Until some other city comes along and produces something worse (and no, Dave Mathews Band is not worse), Columbus will always be known for America's worst music. One band destroyed the reputation of the city for centuries to come. It's the sad reality of an idiotic college drinking band that's just in it for the ass getting heavily promoted and sold out to suburban teens nationwide. Live by the OAR, die by the OAR. They're a lifestyle center in music form. Hahahahahahahahaha!
November 16, 200816 yr I'm not sure what "documentation" you want, but here is the shakedown of Mobil ratings for the 3 C's: Cincinnati- six 3 star restaurants, one 4 star Cleveland- four 3 stars, zero 4 stars Columbus- four 3 stars, zero 4 stars Plus, Cincinnati had the longest running 5 Star restaurant in the country in The Maisonette, from which came Jean Robert, who owns the only 4 star restaurant in Ohio, Pigalls. So I would feel comfortable saying that while I don't know if Cincinnati's fine dining scene is "world class" (who even knows what world class means...), Cincy is the leader in the state of Ohio when it comes to fine dining. Thank you. Now, thats a clear explanation.
November 16, 200816 yr I'm not sure what "documentation" you want, but here is the shakedown of Mobil ratings for the 3 C's: Cincinnati- six 3 star restaurants, one 4 star Cleveland- four 3 stars, zero 4 stars Columbus- four 3 stars, zero 4 stars Plus, Cincinnati had the longest running 5 Star restaurant in the country in The Maisonette, from which came Jean Robert, who owns the only 4 star restaurant in Ohio, Pigalls. So I would feel comfortable saying that while I don't know if Cincinnati's fine dining scene is "world class" (who even knows what world class means...), Cincy is the leader in the state of Ohio when it comes to fine dining. Thank you. Now, thats a clear explanation. I remember reading an article in some local Columbus magazine talking about the 3C's dining scenes and they were saying how Cincinnati was always regarded as the premiere dining scene in the state. They went on to say Columbus was making ground with the opening of a few new restaurants recently in the Short North (Rosendales was one I think).
November 16, 200816 yr Cincy is the leader in the state of Ohio when it comes to fine dining. :roll: So now we're going down THIS road...I hope we can have an old school C-Dawg v. Coldayman rant fest 2008 (though I really don't have the energy, I guess other people can do it). Take back the night! Let's move on ;). "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
November 16, 200816 yr Too bad Classics in Cleveland closed down it was the only 5 diamond restaurant in Ohio :(
November 16, 200816 yr what is the difference between a "5 star restaurant" and a "5 diamond restaurant"?
November 17, 200816 yr Mobil gives stars - there are 17 five-star restaurants in the US - Charlie Trotter's and Alinea in Chicago are the only ones in the Midwest, Le Bec-Fin in Philly is the only one in PA. http://mobiltravelguide.howstuffworks.com/five-star-restaurants-2008.htm AAA/CAA gives diamonds - there are 60 five diamond restaurants in North America - 46 in the US, 9 in Canada, 3 in Mexico, 2 in the Caribbean. http://www.aaanewsroom.net/Assets/Files/20071171541230.2008_5D_Restaurants.pdf So I guess 5 stars is a more exclusive award than 5 diamonds. Ohio has a 5 diamond inn - Walden in Aurora, but no 5 star lodgings.
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