Posted September 4, 200519 yr ROCK HALL AT 10 Archives to keep rock 'n' roll here to stay Sunday, September 04, 2005 John Soeder Plain Dealer Pop Music Critic The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum opened 10 years ago this weekend. Rock Hall officials aren't overly sentimental about the milestone, however. Rather, they're ready to get down to unfinished business as they focus on the future. What does the next decade hold for the hall? Opening a library and archives tops the museum's to-do list. To help make that oft-delayed dream finally come true and to fund an endowment, too, the nonprofit institution will unveil a revamped development drive this month. More at cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com
October 31, 200618 yr Rock Hall’s $35M plan to include Tri-C library By SHANNON MORTLAND 6:00 am, October 30, 2006 The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum is preparing for a $35 million capital campaign that will help give it a new look along the lakeshore as well as a second presence downtown. The capital campaign will be launched this fall to create a $12 million endowment and to help finance the redesign of the Rock Hall’s galleries and the construction of a shared building on the metropolitan campus of Cuyahoga Community College. More at crainscleveland.com http://www.crainscleveland.com
October 31, 200618 yr Putting the library at Tri-C, in the middle of the absolute suburban-type wasteland that is the area south of downtown is yet another missed opportunity to place program in the central city. What tourist is going to walk/taxi/drive to this spot. I have a hard time imagining how I will get there and I've lived in Cleveland my whole life. What a waste. And let's not even start to talk about the design of this thing. Mimicing a poorly designed building that is a mile and a half away is a joke. Who is the architect on this thing, and who is deciding where things like this are placed? Wouldn't this do a whole lot more urbanistically if it was built, say, on Prospect and E4th, or maybe next to the City Club on Euclid, or in the empty storefronts in the 515 garage on Euclid, or maybe the first floor of the May Company Building???? I just don't get it.
October 31, 200618 yr Putting the library at Tri-C, in the middle of the absolute suburban-type wasteland that is the area south of downtown is yet another missed opportunity to place program in the central city. What tourist is going to walk/taxi/drive to this spot. I have a hard time imagining how I will get there and I've lived in Cleveland my whole life. What a waste. And let's not even start to talk about the design of this thing. Mimicing a poorly designed building that is a mile and a half away is a joke. Who is the architect on this thing, and who is deciding where things like this are placed? Wouldn't this do a whole lot more urbanistically if it was built, say, on Prospect and E4th, or maybe next to the City Club on Euclid, or in the empty storefronts in the 515 garage on Euclid, or maybe the first floor of the May Company Building???? I just don't get it. Again looking at the glass half full. How about TRI-C doing something for the city and the neighbohood its in?? This is not the EXHIBIT part of the RRHOF, it's the archives as well as house the dance, theatpre programs at TRI-C. the RRHOF will continue to be on NCH as will it's expansion. Why do we always have to look at the negative, critize it and consider a project DOA, but never come up with the positive thought or a way to IMMEDIATELY embrace an idea. Also, why wouldn't a tourist go there??? Again, this should be uniquely CLEVELAND for CLEVELAND. Not to embrace or make tourist feel good.
October 31, 200618 yr I bring up the negatives because I expect the best for this city, and I do not accept ill advised plans using tax payer dollars, we've been doing this for way too long. A strong urban core needs to be created for surrounding neighborhoods to thrive. Marooning projects that have no connection to the rest of the city (like the Rock Hall's lakefront location) do nothing to add to the density cities need, to be successful. I love this city, and I want developments like this to happen, but I want them to be thoughtfully researched to make them the most successful projects that they can be. We are past the point of just being happy that these things are being built.
October 31, 200618 yr I bring up the negatives because I expect the best for this city, and I do not accept ill advised plans using tax payer dollars, we've been doing this for way too long. A strong urban core needs to be created for surrounding neighborhoods to thrive. Marooning projects that have no connection to the rest of the city (like the Rock Hall's lakefront location) do nothing to add to the density cities need, to be successful. I love this city, and I want developments like this to happen, but I want them to be thoughtfully researched to make them the most successful projects that they can be. We are past the point of just being happy that these things are being built. You still havent answered my question. You skirted the question. and i guess, helping the central neighborhood is not helping redevelop cleveland's core?
October 31, 200618 yr The conceptual design was approved by the Cleveland Planning Commission at their July 7 meeting From Cleveland vs. The World: http://clevelandplanner.blogspot.com/2006_07_01_clevelandplanner_archive.html 2. DRC 06-092: Woodland Avenue (near East 30th Street), Cuyahoga Community College, Metropolitan Campus, Center for Innovation in the Arts, Conceptual Review (Same Architects as previous) This is a conceptual schematic design for the Center. It will also house the R&R Hall of Fame Archives. Robert P. Madison International, Inc. (Cleveland Browns Stadium, East 9th Street Rapid Transit Station, CSU Science and Research Center, Gund Arena, Associate Architects - Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum) is doing the project. http://www.rpmadison.com/ As MTC stated, it is not considered exhibit space. It will mostly house their archives and and have class related programing. The public will be allowed limited access. They wanted to visually connect with the Rock Hall, thus the glass pyramid look. If my memory serves me correctly, the campus is undergoing a master plan revision that will address connections and the lack of a "front door." The hope is this new building will assist in that.
October 31, 200618 yr I just told you why I look at the negative mtc. I didn't "skirt" the question, it's right there. With several facts as well. I don't know what else to tell you. If this was designed to be integrated with an existing dense urban fabric in Central I'd be fine with this, but it's an office park off Chagrin Boulevard, it engages nothing but a vague concept of a building on the nowhere near it.
October 31, 200618 yr Initially, they tried to put it in the Triangle plan in UC. That was a concept that failed about 2 or 3 years ago.
October 31, 200618 yr I just told you why I look at the negative mtc. I didn't "skirt" the question, it's right there. With several facts as well. I don't know what else to tell you. If this was designed to be integrated with an existing dense urban fabric in Central I'd be fine with this, but it's an office park off Chagrin Boulevard, it engages nothing but a vague concept of a building on the nowhere near it. Damnit its MTS!! not MTC You avoided the issue of how this CAN BE intergrated into the neighborhood, TRI-C and used as a catalyst to the adjoing neighborhoods!
October 31, 200618 yr "Why do we always have to look at the negative, critize it and consider a project DOA, but never come up with the positive thought or a way to IMMEDIATELY embrace an idea." Ahem, this is Cleveland and if there's one thing we do and we do it well, it's B!TCHING!!!* *Including yours truly :-D clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
October 31, 200618 yr Officially/legally the RRHOFaM has always been part of CCC, that way the state was able to steer most of the money for contruction via capital expediatures for higher education. The library was always part of the plan. I wrote a paper about it....a LONG time ago.
October 31, 200618 yr "Why do we always have to look at the negative, critize it and consider a project DOA, but never come up with the positive thought or a way to IMMEDIATELY embrace an idea." Ahem, this is Cleveland and if there's one thing we do and we do it well, it's B!TCHING!!!* *Including yours truly :-D However, Bitch (said with love), when you Bitch, atleast you point out or provide solutions to the problem, not just belly ache and play Monday morning armchair quarterback!
November 1, 200618 yr Robert P. Madison International, Inc. (Cleveland Browns Stadium, East 9th Street Rapid Transit Station, CSU Science and Research Center, Gund Arena, Associate Architects - Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum) is doing the project. http://www.rpmadison.com/ Just a nit to pick, I think I'd be hesitant to list Cleveland Browns Stadium (architect: HOK Sports), Rock Hall (architect: IM Pei), Gund Arena (architect: Ellerbe Becket) as examples of Madison's design work. Instead, CSU's Science Center may be truly Madison's (I'm not sure), as well as Tri-C's theatre complex in Highland Hills for design/construction precedents. As for the new library/arts center at Tri-C Metro, I'm very excited to see this new construction on their campus. I have hope that this contribution will make the campus a bit less heavy concrete/brick plaza oppressive and more welcoming. I have no issue with its location... in fact, I think its great that this kind of investment will be made in one of the "forgotten" neighborhoods (that see little investment, outside of public housing) and that its I-77 presence will provide a much-needed visual and perceived facelift of CCC.
November 1, 200618 yr ^And you are correct to state that. I did not mean to imply they were the architects for those projects. I stand corrected. RPMI was the Associate Architect for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum and had responsibility for developing the 50,000 s.f. exhibition area. RPMI coordinated the site development, the exhibits design, the utility relocation and had full responsibility for construction administration. I. M. Pei was the Principal Architect. Browns RPMI was the Architect of Record and responsible for the Architectural and Engineering Services for the entire project. RPMI participated in the Schematic Design, prepared the Design Development documents, the Construction Documents, coordinated all engineering disciplines, and performed Construction Administration and Post Construction Services. The project is a Professional Football Stadium with 72,000 seats, 140 executive loges, club lounge, two (2) restaurants, concession stands, retail shops and all ancillary spaces as required by the National Football League (NFL). Gund RPMI was the Architect of Record and responsible for all Architectural and Engineering Services. RPMI participated in Programming, Schematic Design, prepared the Design Development documents, the Construction Documents, coordinated all engineering disciplines and performed Construction Administration Services. The project is an arena constructed for all types of activities, i.e., Basketball, Hockey, Concerts, the Circus and other entertainment events. The arena seats 22,000 for basketball and contains 110 executive loges, restaurants, concession stands, retail shops and is connected to two (2) 3,000 car parking garages. CSU The building is a major faculty and research center for the Departments of Biology, Chemistry, Geology, Gross Anatomy and Psychology. The Science Research Building is a 140,000 sq. ft. facility designed to physically join three adjacent structures, substantially improving the circulation routes for students. This allows an easier and more effective interdisciplinary interaction among science programs. The building contains: Offices for faculty, graduate assistants and research staff, classrooms, library, computer center, seminar rooms, laboratories, animal surgery suite, animal housing, radioisotope storage, radioactive storage, computer connection to the Cleveland Clinic faculty lounges and student lounge. Biology, Chemistry, Geology, Gross Anatomy and Psychology. The SRC is a major pedestrian circulation passage connecting the Main Classroom Building, Science I, Stilwell Hall, and the Chester Building. The north side includes the vehicle entrances for two levels of underground parking, storage structures, and service areas. The south side is oriented to Euclid Avenue with an inviting plaza for student activities, enormous mounds of earth and plant material, and a sculpture by faculty. MTS - I also misspelled your name... apologies.
November 1, 200618 yr MTS - I also misspelled your name... apologies. It's okay. Its a play on words anyway, MyTwoCents was already taken, but I liked MyTwoSense, since people (my idiot brother - why wasn't I first born? :|) ask me my opinion on common sense issues. ...now back to our regularly scheduled discussion...
November 1, 200618 yr This angers me. What kind of city is Cleveland trying to be? The one it used to be, with lively neighborhoods and pedestrian traffic, or one for commuters flying by at 100 mph. Tri-C already has raised $20 million for the new building, which will be constructed on Woodland Avenue facing Interstate 77 Who in the hell are they designing this building for?
November 2, 200618 yr ahhh....so its the location of this neighborhood that is the problem. That is how i read the past two comments.
November 2, 200618 yr I don't think it's the location or the neighborhood that are the problem. I think the fundamental flaw is that the "front" of the building (a public building, no less) is designed to face the Interstate instead of the sidewalk. It gives the message the building is more highly regarded as eye candy for high-speed automobile commuters than remaining accessible for its users. This is the same beef I have with Steelyard Commons.
November 2, 200618 yr I don't think it's the location or the neighborhood that are the problem. I think the fundamental flaw is that the "front" of the building (a public building, no less) is designed to face the Interstate instead of the sidewalk. It gives the message the building is more highly regarded as eye candy for high-speed automobile commuters than remaining accessible for its users. This is the same beef I have with Steelyard Commons. You did read that they are trying to enhance/correct this problem?
November 2, 200618 yr I don't think it's the location or the neighborhood that are the problem. I think the fundamental flaw is that the "front" of the building (a public building, no less) is designed to face the Interstate instead of the sidewalk. It gives the message the building is more highly regarded as eye candy for high-speed automobile commuters than remaining accessible for its users. This is the same beef I have with Steelyard Commons. You did read that they are trying to enhance/correct this problem? And, the proposed entrance is only two blocks and less then a mile from a lot of housing. Granted, it's mostly low income...
November 2, 200618 yr i wish the Metropolitan Campus would figure how to make a move to the Euclid/E.55th area and take advantage of the whole idea of physically connecting all of our major research/higher education institutions. The R&R Archive would look very nice next to the Agora and create a more dynamic "rock research cluster", considering the Agora's history. Access and perception of the campus would likely improve, and Tri-C would be be better positioned to collaborate with everything that's going down on Euclid these days. The major drawback would be surrendering more land on Euclid Ave. to an institutional deadzone, but the campus could have a relativley small and dynamic footprint if it were designed right, and could bring thousands of people to the intersection everyday.
November 3, 200618 yr ^yeah, but the metro campus also needs space for its sports fields. That wouldn't be a good fit for Euclid Ave.
November 3, 200618 yr whatever they do, i hope they help reconnect this area to the north and west. cleveland could really use an upgrade to some of the main boulevards, and although I-90 and I-77 certainly cut this area up, i think there could be a lot of positive progress for the wide city streets.
November 3, 200618 yr whatever they do, i hope they help reconnect this area to the north and west. cleveland could really use an upgrade to some of the main boulevards, and although I-90 and I-77 certainly cut this area up, i think there could be a lot of positive progress for the wide city streets. Thats what i've been trying to get some other posters here to understand. Instead of pointing out the bad things and labeling the project a failure from the start. For a change come up with positive ways this can correct, promote and partner with the community and city at large to make the project successful.
November 4, 200618 yr ^yeah, but the metro campus also needs space for its sports fields. That wouldn't be a good fit for Euclid Ave. Tri-C and CSU could look into sharing facilities. Not just in terms of sports facilities, but entire majors and area's of study. It would be an efficient way to build the "critical mass" of intellect that alot people say Cleveland lacks to attract industries of the "new economy." Say, for example, Cleveland wants to spawn a robotics industry. Why couldn't both schools share a single facililty and provide different levels of instruction at each? If you had something like a robotics magnet school in the city's school district that fed into tri-c's robotics courses, then into CSU's, we'd be cranking out probably some of the best in the field. That would catch the attention of outside companies, and make it more likely that we could just create our own industries. Tri-c wouldn't really even have to move to Euclid Ave. to do this.
January 8, 200718 yr Hip-hop tops Rock Hall inductees 1:44 p.m. John Soeder Plain Dealer Pop Music Critic It’s official: The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is hip to hip-hop, thanks to Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five. Groundbreaking New York DJ Flash and his group have graduated to the Rock Hall’s Class of 2007, along with Van Halen, R.E.M., the Ronettes and Patti Smith. ...
January 8, 200718 yr About time for Grand Master Flash! "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
January 8, 200718 yr What about, the sugarhill gang and sequence?! :mrgreen: LOL Angie Stone would have two opportunities to get into the HOF!
January 8, 200718 yr Maybe Grandmaster Flash will be to the RnR HOF like Dennis Eckersley was to the Baseball HOF.
January 8, 200718 yr flash first yeah, but where is grand wizard theodore? hell, he invented scratchin. yay for ronnie spector -- the tough girl pop goddess. yay for rem too. they are college music. loved'em. van halen? who the hell cares?
January 8, 200718 yr van halen? who the hell cares? Guitars. Or maybe just induct Eddie & Alex and blow off the rest of the band.
January 8, 200718 yr flash first yeah, but where is grand wizard theodore? hell, he invented scratchin. MAN...you're an old school soul!!
January 8, 200718 yr too much ! Hell, Van Halen is doing porno movie soundtracks nowadays for Michael Ninn. I thought Patti Smith was already in The rock Hall of Fame is such a corny concept, anyway. I guess the Sex Pistols are refusing the infame.
January 10, 200718 yr The Hall completely ignores prog rock...it's always pissed me off. Great building, fun displays, but f*ck the HOF itself.
January 10, 200718 yr The Hall completely ignores prog rock...it's always pissed me off. Great building, fun displays, but f*ck the HOF itself. That's because "no one"* wants to admit to liking those bands. Hell, should the Fusion bands of that era; Mahavishnu Orchestra, Weather Report, Return to Forever, get some consideration for HOF as well? * - No I'm not calling you "no one" RiverViewer. :-)
January 11, 200718 yr King Crimson and Yes and early Genesis and Rush are not everyone's cup of tea (ha!), but I can't imagine thinking they're ancillary to the story of rock and roll...but as far as the HOF is concerned, such nerd music is apparently below them. Bob Seger is in the goddamn HOF, but Peter Gabriel isn't? Lovin' Frickin' Spoonful? Yeah, they really broke some ground, cut a groove for so much talent to follow...Christ.
January 11, 200718 yr Hey, if it wasn't for Bob Seger we wouldn't have "Like a Rock," and then there wouldn't be all those Chevy commercials.... sheesh.
January 11, 200718 yr RUSH! Bob Seger & the SBB! Big Genesis fan here! But what about culture club! LOL
January 11, 200718 yr What about Primus? Arguably the greatest single lyric of the 1990's: Pull out the cannon boys, steal us some wine. Puff tijuana smalls -- shake hands with beef! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de16FUphrSo
January 11, 200718 yr ^it might be too soon for Primus to go in (via the rules). ^it might be too soon for Primus to go in (via the rules). Way too soon. Though I don't understand the RnR HOF's 25 year cutoff. (25 years from which album? Their very first or first "major label" release)
January 12, 200718 yr Is Rush really considered prog rock? 2112 is partially a concept album so there's that, but they seemed a pretty straight-out rock band (songs like The Working Man) without a lot of the prog rock noodling. I would think Peter Gabriel would get a nod sooner or later. As for Yes or Emerson Lake and Palmer? Hmm....
January 12, 200718 yr ^it might be too soon for Primus to go in (via the rules). ^it might be too soon for Primus to go in (via the rules). Way too soon. Though I don't understand the RnR HOF's 25 year cutoff. (25 years from which album? Their very first or first "major label" release) if primus gets in then ween should too. heh - i obscure myself.
January 12, 200718 yr if primus gets in then ween should too. heh - i obscure myself. Menudo & the JETS! HA!
January 12, 200718 yr Sorry, that was intended as a joke...though I've proven myself to be enough of a square that your doubt is appropriate!
January 12, 200718 yr Sorry, that was intended as a joke...though I've proven myself to be enough of a square that your doubt is appropriate! LOL! ok, just making sure, cause I love love loved Menudo as a kid. Everytime they were announced, it started with...."every boy want to be one and every girl wants to meet one!" The 80s were so corny! LOL I guess between Menudo (before ricky martin was a member it was all about Johnny Lozada) and The Wiz my Mother had to to know I was gay. :-)
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