A new blog

 

Enjoy!

Uh...

What the f$&k run on sentences and bad grammar and punctuation and snippets of racist hispanic elderly man United States something.

 

--

 

Dayton’s Civic Leaders & Religious Leaders & their followers & supporters have done nothing aggressive or positive to crack down on crime & violence in Dayton, Ohio & now Dayton is considered to be one of the most unsafe cities in America according to Forbes & criminals from Dayton, Ohio of all races, ethnic backgrounds & religions are moving to the suburbs & bringing it out here where I live. Some are white, some are Hispanic & some are black or of other races of people & all are worthless & valueless citizens of The United States Of America that could care less about you or me or our safety. Boycott Dayton is not about race or racism & I am not a racist or into racism & never have been. It is simply about trying to finally get something done about crime & violence in Dayton, Ohio that ultimately adversely affects innocent people of all races, ethinic backgrounds & religions in Dayton & also people in the surrounding suburbs. We are all suffering equally in this respect. Innocent children & the elderly that have no choice are constantly being victimized. That is not okay. Not if you are a real man or woman or citizen of American.

 

--

 

Holy crap, it keeps going on and on.

^

 

just like the Dayton Daily News comments section.

 

I typically try to not even give these sites one single hit, or mention to other people, so that they get as little traffic as possible.

He obviously does not have warm feelings for the city, so what keeps him there?  Maybe family, money, bad housing market or a combination of all.... certainly not optimism.  I read the first chunk and got bored.

I think the author was a crime victim, or it reads that way a bit.

 

But he has a point.  As Dayton becomes abandoned even more poverty-stricken there is no more prey for the predators.

 

And with less housing left in the city those with criminal intent have to live somewhere, which could be in suburbia if they can get cheap rent in anonymous older apartment-land.

 

Also,  what he might really talking about is not crime but the equation "Dayton/Daytonians=Crime", and as Daytonians move to suburbia people thing they bring their crime with them, even if people moving out from the city are not necessarily criminals.

 

I read through the "about" section posted.  I really think the guy is taking a wrong approach to helping things in Dayton, and I think his actions are some of the things that can cause a city to decline.  I get the impression that he really didn't see a need to do anything about crime in Dayton until it started "coming to the suburbs."  I also wonder if he's involved in his community at all, such as in a neighborhood watch program or even a Citizens on Patrol program.  Does he volunteer his time?  I would think creating a blog like this will do nothing to help clear crime.  Instead, I think it could just cause more ill-will towards a city.  Of course, having fewer people in the city is never a good thing. 

 

I typically try to not even give these sites one single hit, or mention to other people, so that they get as little traffic as possible.

 

I will not look at this site again.  I don't want this guy to get any more hits.

Is it possible to change the name of this thread to "what is boycott Dayton" a blog.

 

I totally thought this was about Dayton and a boycott.

I'm boycotting that blog.  What a pointless waste of bandwith

I will not look at this site again.  I don't want this guy to get any more hits.

 

He actually links to Urban Ohio, believe it or not.

 

I was thinking of starting a blog like that.  "Dirt-town", about what a mess Dayton and vicinity are.  But it would be tough to keep up an extended rant against Dayton.  I can do that at City-Data forum instead of blogging on it.

 

 

 

So you all are p!ssed that someone is concerned about drug dealing and gang violence in Dayton?

^

what he's talking about is a real issue, or real perception, but people are attacking him for the "dis the city" POV.

 

^

what he's talking about is a real issue, or real perception, but people are attacking him for the "dis the city" POV.

 

 

I see no problem with someone talking about a real issue.  However, I don't think his proposed boycott will do anything to address these issues.

Did anyone see this in his "About the author" statement:

 

My payment & reward for all of this was my home town was practically destroyed by criminals, I had to move & my son was robbed & brutally murdered in Dayton, Ohio through no fault of his own.

 

Behind every cynic is a broken hearted idealist. I don't condone this guy's proposals, but if I were him I could see myself wanting to see the place as the next Al-Qaeda ground zero.

Yeah, you can't expect someone like that to be completely level headed. Crime, poverty and govt corruption and/or apathy are REAL issues that need to be dealt with. People get so fed up and they take it to the extreme because they see that none of the normal tools are working. Just like gays wanting to ban products from California, or certain Harlemites wanting to ban..well, Harlem.

I don't presume to meet the author on his terms, but in my opinion -

 

I grew up in Dayton in the 60s and 70s, and I deliberately "escaped" out of the area after I graduated from college and moved away from the area. Coming back and seeing Dayton through an outsider's eyes, but with the familiarity I have with the region, I see Dayton as "bad seed", an area that has turned rotten and negative. Dayton needs to die and implode and something and someone else needs to take its place.

 

I don't mean that everyone who now tries to make Dayton better in incremental ways should not do so or that I wish they would drop dead. What I mean is that Dayton is a truly lost cause.

 

In certain ways, the Dayton metro area is the biggest ghetto in the US - has the most prevailing "we suck and we like sucking" mentality among entrenched locals.

 

Let's put it this way. I have lived all over the country. It's only in Dayton that someone ahead of me walking out of a store would let a glass door go behind them without holding it for the next person walking out - I was amazed to get out of Dayton and see actual common courtesy practiced toward strangers. I also remember growing up and not being able to simply converse with someone in Dayton without it being prepended with a lengthy introduction - the people here are xenophobic - if they don't know you they suspect you.  And Dayton is the place (actually on Rt 201 outside of Huber Heights) where someone threw a rock the size of an egg from a truck driving in the opposite direction at my car (it landed in the back seat - I didn't know what happened until I got home.) Dayton is now where I have been merging at a quiet time of the day onto Rt 35 in Beavercreek from 675 and had a briar a$$shole in a truck exactly hold his position and not let me move out of the merge lane.

 

I used to attend a church in Dayton. My wife and I stopped attending because the church would rather help local crackheads and methheads in their publicized high profile good works programs than a family member of ours, also a long time church member, in need. The key there was yet another bad, rotten aspect of Dayton - the clique mentality. You HAVE to be an accepted member of a ruling clique here in order to be respected or listened to. Otherwise, you're an expendable nuisance.

 

The attitude in Dayton is just plain nasty. There are bright spots. I am not against anyone helping that community, I am not against good things that have been initiated in Dayton either. I just think Dayton is a completely lost cause.

 

The author of that blog blames Daytonians and their laziness and apathy, and by extension blames all Daytonians. That is not fair, but on the other hand, Dayton is the least civil and friendly place I have ever lived in the US (and I have lived on both coasts and several places in the middle.)

In certain ways, the Dayton metro area is the biggest ghetto in the US - has the most prevailing "we suck and we like sucking" mentality among entrenched locals.

 

 

this is funny. I grew up in NE Ohio and visited Dayton only once about 30 years ago. I didn't think it was that awful. Fast forward to a few years ago. I was working in an ad agency in New York with a woman (African-American) who was an actress originally from Los Angeles. She toured Ohio in the early 90's in a road company of the musical "How to Succeed in Business..." When asked how she liked Ohio she said she loved Cleveland. Then she mentioned performing in Dayton. She was at a beautiful restored theatre downtown--that was nice--but the town itself was a complete dump--sooo ghetto, as she put it. She couldn't find enough negative superlatives to describe life in downtown Dayton! (to this day I can't believe it's that bad  :laugh:)

^

She was at the Victoria, and at the time she was in Dayton downtown was....not too different than it is now....in other words totally dead on weekends, which is probably when she was there if she was part of a Broadway tour.  About the only people on the street during the day are the oldesters from the Biltmore and the "transit dependent population" waiting for RTA.  Downtown in the early 1990s probably seem even more derlict as the old, empty Lazarus/Rikes hulk was still standing.

 

BTW, the host of "Boycott Dayton" has an About Me page.

 

I found this out:

 

"My payment & reward for all of this was my home town was practically destroyed by criminals, I had to move & my son was robbed & brutally murdered in Dayton, Ohio through no fault of his own.

 

"All he was guilty of was trusting someone & meeting them there to buy drugs for another person.

 

"What he was doing was illegal & the same thing thousands of people that live in Dayton do every day.

 

"Go to an illegal drug dealers to buy drugs simply because they can not buy them from safe sources because they are illegal.

 

The person that did this to my son was sent to prison for 15 years to life so there is no question who was at fault unless you think the prosecutor & the judge was stupid.

 

So he and his family ended up leaving the city, then his son goes into town to buy drugs was involved in a drug deal that apparently went bad. 

 

It's almost like he is endorsing drug use becuase "everyone does it". 

 

I'm sorry, if someone asked me to go into town to meet someonoe at such & such location to buy drugs I'd look at them like they were nuts.  In fact I probably wouldn't know that person if they asked me that, or keep them at a safe distance.

 

I think his son was part of the problem he is complaining about if he agreed to do a drug deal for someone.

 

It's like asking for trouble.

 

 

 

 

I'm sorry, if someone asked me to go into town to meet someonoe at such & such location to buy drugs I'd look at them like they were nuts. In fact I probably wouldn't know that person if they asked me that, or keep them at a safe distance.

 

I think his son was part of the problem he is complaining about if he agreed to do a drug deal for someone.

 

It's like asking for trouble.

 

I agree.  I hate hearing about murders, but I can't help but think this son may still be alive today if he had not agreed to this drug deal.  I'm surprised that anyone would expect a drug dealer to be a model citizen, and my guess is that that the same thing could happen in any city. 

I already noted the murder in the author's life.

 

One could see this as a Dayton ghetto lifestyle that ensnared the kid. In other words, Dayton offered the opportunity and enticement to engage in risky behaviors, be set up, and murdered.

 

So I can see the author deciding that it probably wouldn't happen elsewhere, therefore, the town is evil.

One could see this as a Dayton ghetto lifestyle that ensnared the kid. In other words, Dayton offered the opportunity and enticement to engage in risky behaviors, be set up, and murdered.

 

At some point one starts to read things into the backstory behind the blog.  His point was that Dayton crime is coming to the suburbs so the city should be boycotted.  On further inspection, the criminal (illegal purchase of controlled substance) was already in the suburbs.

 

At first I saw this as a sort of worst-case example of "Dayton Sux", but now I see it as blaming the city in general for someones bad life choices.

 

, I see Dayton as "bad seed", an area that has turned rotten and negative.

 

This is pretty good, though.  I would qualify "area" as extending beyond the city limits.  I'd also ad "passive aggressive" to your list of generailzed negative traits found among the locals.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, I see Dayton as "bad seed", an area that has turned rotten and negative.

 

This is pretty good, though.  I would qualify "area" as extending beyond the city limits.  I'd also ad "passive aggressive" to your list of generailzed negative traits found among the locals.

 

Agreed. Dayton is ringed by suburbs where there is a culture of needing to feel superior to someone else. I'd sum it up as a generalized and consistent meanness and selfishness.

 

I think it may perhaps be partially the result of entitlement mentality on the part of the many unionized workers in the region, soured by 35+ years of locally bad economic news due to plant closings, downsizings, poor domestic auto industry performance, etc.

 

I know that when I grew up in Dayton, I wasn't particularly spoiled materially, but I just picked up a huge sense of entitlement, that I should "have things" and that life should be easier. It was baked into me growing up there. I had to move away to get an appreciation of how life really is. I also had many, many weird defense mechanisms and "tics", shared by classmates from Dayton, that I haven't seen in anyone from any other region.

 

To be even pithier, Dayton has incredibly bad "karma".

You can't criticize Dayton (or any other troubled city) and call it a lost cause without criticizing the people who fled it an turned their backs on it instead of trying to fix it before it  became a "lost cause."

Yeah and we should all have stayed with out crazy ex girlfriends to help them work their issues out. People move on to better things.

Right. Everything we do, just move on and damn the consequences.

Right. Everything we do, just move on and damn the consequences.

 

Hey if my ex girlfriend kills herself that's on her!

Changing demographics is debatable as to whether it is class related or racially motivated. You surely can't expect a father with a family of 5 to feed who got laid off from a closing steel plant to stay in a rust belt city without a job b/c, in terms of urbanism, it was the right thing to do.

 

This is a situation I know well as it was a poor economy that caused me to leave Louisville years and years ago.  Unlike Daytonians I don't curse and berate my former adopted hometown because of this, and you will find precious few expat Louisvillians who will attack their former home with the vehemence of Daytonians, both current and former residents.

 

There is a whole different mentality operating here...this bad karma thing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

But what made people turn their backs? Job migration, changing demographics, and corrupt city government. 2 out of 3 are circumstances beyond the control of the majority of the population. Changing demographics is debatable as to whether it is class related or racially motivated. You surely can't expect a father with a family of 5 to feed who got laid off from a closing steel plant to stay in a rust belt city without a job b/c, in terms of urbanism, it was the right thing to do.

 

When talking jobs, finances, and the safety and well being of family...principles sometimes have to take a backseat. The failure of cities to adjust to changing economies and provide adequate services, infrastructure, etc. is just as much, if not more so, to blame as the choices individuals made to leave them.

 

Racism prompted millions of people in hundreds of U.S. cities to move out. Forced busing didn't help matters. But seven decades of federal policies that neglected cities and subsidized suburbs was a huge reason.

Haha. Yeah, city-data is pretty much nothing but city bash fests. Almost everyone on there is pro-suburban, at least in the Ohio section.

 

City Data probably says it all about the kind of people Dayton attracts.  I saw this on there recently, about a guy who is transfering to work at Wrigh-Patterson or one of their contractors.  I 'bout dropped out of my chair when I read it.

 

My wife and I will be moving to the Dayton, OH area the last week of Dec. This was a sudden move, which did not allow me enough time to come inspect the area, hence the need for your advise.

 

We are moving from an upscale area and will love to remain in a very like neighborhood, if at all possible. ....I prefer a newer area, but as long as it is in a safe neighborhood, anything nice will work.

I am a bit particular, so this are some of the most important things to me.

-Most of the population need to be white, or of European decent.

-Low crime (auto, ID, home theft and homicide!! =D )

-Not in downtown or near college/frat or partying scene.

 

School system is not a problem, as we have a child on the way, who will be home-schooled.

 

I would greatly appreciate any advise!

 

Most of the population need to be white, or of European decent......oh dear....one of the posters recommended Beavercreek, but I said oh no!  They have a bunch of asians there!  Move to Miami County! 

 

 

Most of the population need to be white, or of European decent......oh dear....one of the posters recommended Beavercreek, but I said oh no!  They have a bunch of asians there!  Move to Miami County! 

 

Well, you have to stay away from those dusky, funny smelling, diverse Morlocks.  :evil: And I'm sure that guy will find LOTS of like-minded neighbors who feels as he does wherever he moves, whether it's Springboro, or... Springboro...

 

Anyway... someone above implied that leaving a crappy area without trying to fix the problems is tantamount to being part of the problem.

 

I moved out of Dayton because:

 

If I had stayed here, my idiot high school and college friends would have dragged me down, kept me frozen at high school maturity levels, and prevented me from making new friendships. I needed a "void" to create a new life, or at least try to. (Key, Daytonians are too provincial to leave you alone without criticizing you.) I now see the difference. They're still idiots, but I have grown.

 

Dysfunctional family (too much Daytonianism to deal with.)

 

But mostly: the engineering jobs I found in the immediate area were low-value-added crap. Shuffling papers at a desk job at WPAFB. Or doing some nebbish stuff at NCR that wasn't even engineering. I wound up taking a job at a Bay Area computer manufacturer, and they actually had me designing stuff. I couldn't *buy* a real design job here in Dayton or Ohio at the time.

 

So, it was kind of the area and its limited scope of opportunities that drove me out. And I didn't want to hang around and be 30 one day and realize that I was still hanging out with high school friends a la "Clerks".  :cry:

Well, you have to stay away from those dusky, funny smelling, diverse Morlocks.  :evil: And I'm sure that guy will find LOTS of like-minded neighbors who feels as he does wherever he moves, whether it's Springboro, or... Springboro...

 

This illustration brings up the question if Wright-Patterson is a negative or positive force in the Dayton area.  Objectively it looks like a positive force as it pumps money into the local economy.  But culturally, for people like me who are support urban regeneration and historic preservation what does it mean to bring in a big workforce who are hostile to city life and see it as threatening or undesirable (not to mention having a sort of closet prejudice to "the other"...)?

 

Does this have something to do with Dayton being the somewhat dead place it is, that the big white collar workforce that IS here isn't like a similar workforce in Columbus, who would actually consider living in places like the various "villages" and the Short North/Arena District?

 

Or maybe its just an engineer thing.  Columbus' is more a finance/insurance town and Dayton is more tech, so it could be that geeks don't like citys, while finance types do.

 

 

 

so it could be that geeks don't like citys, while finance types do.

 

I think that's the case. Techies like suburbs (look at North of atlanta, silicon valley, or suburbs of Houston). But the economic growth in those industries has helped make a lot of those inner cities thrive indirectly.

I dunno. I lived in Silicon Valley for awhile and it seemed to be culturally a very diverse area. Also a monoculture of programming dweebs. Dayton has a ton of engineers (enough to glut any job ad that is placed) but they don't really dominate the region like they do in Silicon Valley. If you stand in a teller line at the bank in Sunnyvale, you can probably hear discussions about software or hardware design. You won't get that too much around Dayton.

 

So I don't think that this is what really influences Dayton's xenophobic local culture. I think it's more of a manifestation of the local stock of people and the local work culture and I think it has happened over a span of decades.

 

I think most of it is the local Appalachian culture - defensive about being from the wrong side of the tracks - fused into the northern "entitled" union worker mentality. Kind of the worst characteristics of the north and the old south fused together - selfishness and materialism (the northern stuff) combined with cussedness and quick to being angered (the hillbilly attitude). So there you get traits like hatred of diversity and pride in ignorance, plus the smartassed attitude of the well fed factory worker who's "kept".

I was tempted to call the creator of the blog a moron, but I figured it wasn't worth the energy. Seriously, though, this blog is the most moronic thing I have ever seen.

 

Don't hate cities, hate people!

Don't hate cities, hate people!

 

That's almost inspiring, y'know.  :lol:

I was tempted to call the creator of the blog a moron, but I figured it wasn't worth the energy. Seriously, though, this blog is the most moronic thing I have ever seen.

 

Don't hate cities, hate people!

 

That's what my friend's dad always says: "I don't hate Cincinnati, I just hate the people".

I was tempted to call the creator of the blog a moron, but I figured it wasn't worth the energy. Seriously, though, this blog is the most moronic thing I have ever seen.

 

Don't hate cities, hate people!

 

That's what my friend's dad always says: "I don't hate Cincinnati, I just hate the people".

 

ha ha...I feel the same way about NYC! Trust me, all you folks who are so liberal out there (like I used to be), if you lived here and had to listen to all the robotic, unthinking, knee-jerk comments that come out of the mouths of people you too might eventually turn conservative yourself. It's like living in Cuba--opposing viewpoints not allowed. Other than that, New York's a great city!

I'm only socially liberal. I Can't stand all the corporation, FED hating. I can't stand animal rights protests either. Liberals act like they're so open minded, they're FAR from open minded.

ha ha...I feel the same way about NYC! Trust me, all you folks who are so liberal out there (like I used to be), if you lived here and had to listen to all the robotic, unthinking, knee-jerk comments that come out of the mouths of people you too might eventually turn conservative yourself. It's like living in Cuba--opposing viewpoints not allowed.

 

I was banned from Free Republic AND Democratic Underground as this kind of groupthink just brings out the contrarian in me.

 

 

I'm only socially liberal. I Can't stand all the corporation, FED hating. I can't stand animal rights protests either. Liberals act like they're so open minded, they're FAR from open minded.

 

Reminds me of the recent news where the Cincinnati Zoo pulled their holiday partnership with the creation museum, because of all of the emails and phone calls they received.

Im not even religious but I think I believe in Creationism. There is a LOT of scientific evidence supporting the idea that humans lived with dinosaurs, but Scientists have to pay their bills like anyone else and they're more likely to get research funding for the evolution stuff. I'm sorry but common sense tells me that people 5000 years ago would not paint something that blatantly looks like a Brontosaurus unless they saw it in person.

^ That may belong on the conspiracy theory thread.

 

A 5000-year-old painting of something that looks like a brontosaurus is the "scientific" evidence that man and dinosaurs lived together? First of all, 5000 years ago man was living in civilizations with no sign of dinosaurs. The cave paintings were long, long before that (unless you subscribe to the silly idea that the Earth is only 6,000 years old). And nobody knows what a brontosaurus looks like, for sure. We have modern depictions that are based on fossil records.

Im not even religious but I think I believe in Creationism. There is a LOT of scientific evidence supporting the idea that humans lived with dinosaurs, but Scientists have to pay their bills like anyone else and they're more likely to get research funding for the evolution stuff. I'm sorry but common sense tells me that people 5000 years ago would not paint something that blatantly looks like a Brontosaurus unless they saw it in person.

 

Amen, my bro-thuh! :angel:

It's also possible that some dinosaur species lived longer than we think.  Loch ness monster and some brontosaurus-type thing reported in Africa come to mind.  Obviously these are fringe beliefs, but if true they would allow cavemen to have seen a dinosaur, without backing up creationism or making the earth 5000 years old. 

A dinosaur or, more likely, a descendant of the dinosaurs that were mostly wiped out tens of millions of years ago.

I'm not sure what dinosaurs have to do with Boycotting Dayton or this worthless new blog.

 

 

one of the posters recommended Beavercreek, but I said oh no!  They have a bunch of asians there!  Move to Miami County! 

 

 

 

Ok, you got me there.  I did have plenty of Asian friends in my honors classes  :-P

 

But in all seriousness, I was taken aback with what I intially read.  And having lived in/visited Beavercreek, it is still pretty white.

I'm not sure what dinosaurs have to do with Boycotting Dayton or this worthless new blog.

 

Ooops. Thanks for bringing us back to reality.

I was tempted to call the creator of the blog a moron, but I figured it wasn't worth the energy. Seriously, though, this blog is the most moronic thing I have ever seen.

 

Don't hate cities, hate people!

 

Wow, this comment looks really bad now that I put that Fox News image up.