^Why are you assuming that new lot would be RTA parking?

I don't like that the back of the project is toward Warrensville Center. But overall the project will be great if it's built out completely as shown in the last pic. Just compare it to the massive amount of surface parking on the other side of Warrensville Center, which would potentially become more room for expansion.

FWIW, the site plan showing future phases has the parking replaced with more buildings. This type of development is a bit of experiment in our market and this grocery is going to have to compete with other options with ample surface parking. Can't say I really blame them for paving what would otherwise be empty space at this stage.  Hopefully the development is a big hit and future phases actually happen.

 

EDIT: below is the site plan showing full build out (contingent on obtaining site control of additional land), and looks like some of that additional building would be another parking garage.

 

 

That parking lot along Van Aken north of the rail station is still there, as proposed in full build out. That's unfortunate.

 

Will that parking garage in the site plan have retail at the bottom or is it just a cookie cutter parking garage with no street activity?

^Why are you assuming that new lot would be RTA parking?

 

Point well taken... If it's not, then it's even more absurd...

 

If Van Aken developers are going to separate the buildings from the Rapid with surface parking, at the very least make the parking for the Rapid... Bottom line is, it's a joke to call this project TOD... To me this fits a very obvious and disturbing, even sinister, pattern in Greater Cleveland when it comes to transit and development ... With this project, the Health Line and the whole Opportunity Corridor mess, it seems that planners and developers who are either anti-rail transit or, at the very least indifferent to it, use TOD as a dog-whistle catch phrase to get gullible local officials and media types to buy in to their developments because the term TOD is sexy and trendy... But as we are seeing, the projects that are materializing are anything but TOD...

 

Van Aken seems to be just another mini- Crocker Park or Legacy Village... The difference here is there just happens to be a rail line nearby.

Jeez man, ease up.  It looks to me like the RTA station drops its passengers off right in the middle of the main pedestrian route through this development.  One small parking lot and you're going to dismiss the whole thing?  Everything isn't either perfect or the biggest piece of sh-t ever.

Jeez man, ease up.  It looks to me like the RTA station drops its passengers off right in the middle of the main pedestrian route through this development.  One small parking lot and you're going to dismiss the whole thing?  Everything isn't either perfect or the biggest piece of sh-t ever.

 

Right, the transit station is in the middle of this development that has multiple mixed use building s oriented around said station. If not 100% perfext, looks like TOD to me.

I'm surpised that the development turns its back on Warrensville. The city prchased the old Qua Buick dealership a few years back in hopes of integrating it with the Van Aken development. i believe that they are using some of the money received from the county for demolishing vacant homes/buildings  to demolish the structure that is left on the property.

 

I live in the city and I have to admit that I'm disappointed in the generic design. Hopefully, they can find the right tenant mix.

That parking lot is my only misgiving. This will be a much stronger ridership anchor at the end of the Blue Line and may turn out to be the strongest outer terminus in the GCRTA rail system -- even stronger than Hopkins Airport which sees about 1,000 boardings per day. The reason is the Van Aken District's retail, residential, office, parking and bus connections will produce balanced ridership throughout a day, every day, including on weekends. It's a good model to emulate at the east ends of the Green, Red and even the Waterfront lines. And if the current locations of their termini don't permit a Van Aken District-type development then a cost-effective route extension should be considered to a location where a significant TOD could be constructed.

Jeez man, ease up.  It looks to me like the RTA station drops its passengers off right in the middle of the main pedestrian route through this development.  One small parking lot and you're going to dismiss the whole thing?  Everything isn't either perfect or the biggest piece of sh-t ever.

 

It's bland in design, turns it's back to the Rapid station and puts distance from it with a surface lot.  What's to like about that?  It's somewhat better than what exists now, I'll give it that, but for the amount of money and reconfiguration that is going into this, I expected more in the TOD sense, and that's what was promised-- strongly promised by planners.  What Phase I provides, at it's core, are a couple squat, bland, mixed-use office-over-retail buildings in a campus-like configuration with a considerable amount space around them.  The multi-unit building Phase I brings will be separated from this across busy Farnsleigh (which promises to be even busier with the road reconfiguration).  This apartment building will be situated over the residents' garage -- not unlike its neighbors down the Van Aken toward Lynnfield Rd.  Any new multi-unit building Cleveland or it's inner-ring suburbs is a plus, esp near a Rapid line... I guess that's one major plus Phase I will bring.     

 

The Phase 2 buildings sited at the current Shaker Plaza strip are, indeed, close up on the Rapid station are listed as "future mixed use."  However, a) we don't know what kind of mixed use this will be (will it include multi-unit residences?) and b) we can't be certain if or when it will even be built.

BTW, I just noticed that later phases in the site plan would appear to block any future extension of the Blue Line. GCRTA proposed express bus service between UC, Shaker Square, Van Aken-Warrensville with service splitting its endpoints at park-n-rides at Northfield-Miles in North Randall and at Harvard-Richmond in Highland Hills. The goal of that service development plan was to build ridership so that a rail extension could be added more cost-effectively in the future. This site plan, however, would apparently prevent that.

 

 

EDIT: I also didn't see a reference on this or the prior page to the article below about a new rail/bus station for the Van Aken District.....

 

New RTA bus/rail station will be part of Van Aken transformation in Shaker Heights

By Alison Grant, The Plain Dealer

on June 02, 2015 at 2:04 PM, updated June 02, 2015 at 3:04 PM

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio --With road construction well underway to smooth the snarly Warrensville-Chagrin intersection in Shaker Heights, coordination of RTA's bus and light rail lines is up next.

 

The Shaker Heights Planning Commission is to vote tonight on plans for an "iconic" intermodal station that would knit together rail and bus service at one of RTA's busiest transfer junctions. The station would serve as a central gathering place in the Van Aken business district and better connect RTA bus lines to jobs in surrounding cities.

 

The ambitious proposal would pull together rail and bus operations at a transit  crossroads that has 2,300 to 2,400 boardings a day.

 

...With an $18 million price tag, Shaker Heights and RTA expect it will be five to 10 years before the intermodal center at the end of RTA's Blue Line can open. The cost includes relocating track, as well as consolidating the Warrensville/Van Aken and Farnsleigh stations into a new station and platform close to the Warrensville/Farnsleigh intersection.

 

MORE:

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/06/innew_rta_busrail_station_will_be_part_of_van_aken_transformation_in_shaker_heights_termodal_busrail_station_pla.html

Shaker Heights businesses struggle during Van Aken construction but hopeful for outcome (photos)

By Simone Jasper, Northeast Ohio Media Group

on June 08, 2015 at 11:40 AM, updated June 08, 2015 at 1:05 PM

 

SHAKER HEIGHTS, Ohio -- While Chagrin Boulevards and Warrensville Center Road are ripped up to create a new simpler intersection and a defacto downtown Shaker Heights, the existing shops at three plazas are trying to do business amid a cloud of dust.

 

A $19 million construction project is reconfiguring a six-legged intersection during months of work.

 

Van Aken no longer intersects with Chagrin Boulevard or Warrensville Center, and drivers are avoiding the construction-clogged intersection. Wong plans to move to another plaza in Shaker Heights, when RMS Investment Corp. demolishes the plaza next year and remakes the area into a $75 million downtown for Shaker Heights.

 

MORE:

http://www.cleveland.com/shaker-heights/index.ssf/2015/06/shaker_heights_businesses_open.html

 

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Van Aken project in Shaker Heights needs to be lovable and authentic (commentary, photos)

By Steven Litt, The Plain Dealer

on June 05, 2015 at 7:35 AM, updated June 05, 2015 at 2:59 PM

 

SHAKER HEIGHTS, Ohio - It's not often that a Cleveland architecture firm gets to shape a new town center from scratch for an important Northeast Ohio city.

 

But that's what Bialosky + Partners Architects will do this summer as they refine plans for the long-awaited Van Aken project, which aims at replacing a pair of tired-looking 1950s shopping centers with what amounts to a new downtown for Shaker Heights.

 

This kind of redevelopment has been done well across the country, and locally, most notably, at University Circle's outstanding Uptown development, which combines traditional, street-friendly urbanism with excellent contemporary architecture.

 

Bialosky's work on the Van Aken project so far is encouraging, but there's still a considerable ways to go.

 

MORE:

http://www.cleveland.com/architecture/index.ssf/2015/06/design_for_van_aken_project_in.html

For some reason Litt's critic is a bit muted for him which is unusual.  Maybe it is because he knows this development has a long way to go before final.  It certainly does need a lot of work to make it more of a "place".

I lived in Shaker from 1972 until 1985 so I realize that I'm a bit removed from the dynamics of the area at this point.  When various people call this development the new downtown for Shaker Heights, I have to scratch my head.  I've always thought that the area around Chagrin-Lee-Avalon was more of a "downtown" for Shaker.  City Hall, the police station and municipal court are on Lee, just the other side of Van Aken.  You have retail and services for several blocks in each direction from Chagrin and Lee.  To say that you have a new downtown would almost imply that you are abandoning your current downtown.

 

To me this project still makes sense.  It's a transition area with significant visibility.  Solid retail, services and housing that can capitalize on the available transit options.  I just would never call it downtown Shaker.

BTW, I just noticed that later phases in the site plan would appear to block any future extension of the Blue Line. GCRTA proposed express bus service between UC, Shaker Square, Van Aken-Warrensville with service splitting its endpoints at park-n-rides at Northfield-Miles in North Randall and at Harvard-Richmond in Highland Hills. The goal of that service development plan was to build ridership so that a rail extension could be added more cost-effectively in the future. This site plan, however, would apparently prevent that.

 

That was my question as well.  First there was talk of extending the Blue Line to Chagrin Highlands, and that was knocked off the table.  Next the talk was of extending the Rapid through the intersection about about 2,000 or so feet to a new inter-modal transit center with an express bus to University Circle down Van Aken through Shaker Square.  That plan is apparently now gone too...  Now we have this newer "plan" that, not only doesn't extend the Blue Line at all (like any other rail extension talk, undoubtedly got Calabrese-d), but has a supposed inter-modal center station featuring the train station enclosed by buildings, and thus can never be expanded, along with a new station combining the Farnsleigh and Warrensville stations... and oh, by the way, this newly enclosed "inter-modal" station on the can't-be-extended rail line won't even be completed for another 10 years...

 

... makes sense, right?

 

Somebody needs to ask one simple question of the Van Aken development planners as well as RTA ... WTF?

This is great news:

 

Van Aken district developer RMS plans Shaker Plaza purchase

 

SHAKER HEIGHTS, Ohio – The real estate developer at the heart of the Van Aken district – a new downtown, of sorts, for this East Side suburb – expects to establish a broader foothold by buying the Shaker Plaza shopping center.

 

BUT:

 

Broader sketches of the district call for a series of mixed-use buildings, including a trio that eventually might replace Shaker Plaza. But Palmisano cautioned that those images, shown at public meetings, are efforts at holistic planning. RMS is buying Shaker Plaza with the intention of maintaining it for at least five to 10 years.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2015/06/van_aken_district_developer_rm.html

Glad that a TIF district is being considered.

5 to 10 year wait for phase 2 makes this project a whole lot less interesting. A few of you thought the site plan was mediocre. I thought it was okay as long as they followed up with phase 2 quickly and fully as shown in the full plan. On the bright side maybe we can convince them to leave a path for future extension of the rapid.

^In fairness, some of their slow phasing seems to be a way to accomodate the existing businesses, allowing them to move across the street. Sure beats a new development filled with the crap chains at Shaker Towne Centre [sic].

 

^^The TIF is actually pretty disappointing to me, to be honest, even though it seemed inevitable.  One of the stated purposes of the project is to diversity the property tax base in an effort to shield homeowners from having to pay so much for the schools, but with this TIF, only a small piece of the added value will be helping out anytime soon. Better than nothing, though.

It doesn't surprise me on the time line. they prob wanted to purchase the property now so they dont have to pay a higher price if/when phase 1 is a success.

 

quick question: what exactly is a tif? how will the $2.4 mil be used? if i understand correctly, the developer will get this amout every year.

It doesn't surprise me on the time line. they prob wanted to purchase the property now so they dont have to pay a higher price if/when phase 1 is a success.

 

quick question: what exactly is a tif? how will the $2.4 mil be used? if i understand correctly, the developer will get this amout every year.

 

A TIF takes the additional taxes generated by this development and reserves them for use within a defined geographic area -- in this case the perimeter of the Van Aken District. The uses are generally spelled out in the article. And I got the impression that the $2.4 million is what would be generated over the 30 years. This isn't THAT big of a project.

Took a few photos of the street removal and Blue Line, posted at:

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=6956.msg763123#msg763123

Shaker Heights, Ohio ‏@ShakerHeightsOH  2m2 minutes ago

Lane shift scheduled next week for Warrensville Center Road-Chagrin Boulevard reconfiguration in Shaker Heights http://dlvr.it/BYT3GN

Office "tower"? I've seen plans for an office building but not a "tower" -- sadly that building will block any future extension of the Blue Line beyond the Warrensville station.....

 

Shaker, Van Aken developer roll the dice on $4.3 million loan from county Casino Fund

By Thomas Jewell, special to Northeast Ohio Media Group

on September 29, 2015 at 1:37 PM, updated September 29, 2015 at 2:04 PM

 

SHAKER HEIGHTS, Ohio -- City Council believes that the proposed $91 million Van Aken revitalization project is a "good bet" for regional economic development.

 

And Shaker officials are hoping that Cuyahoga County Council is willing to parlay $4.3 million out of the Casino Loan Fund to leverage a potential $80 million in private investment.

 

City Economic Development Director Tania Menesse said that RMS Corp., the owners of Van Aken Shopping Center and Van Aken Plaza, will put up $14 million of its own money on the venture, with the rest being borrowed.

 

MORE:

http://www.cleveland.com/shaker-heights/index.ssf/2015/09/shaker_van_aken_developer_roll.html

Jewell is cranking out the copy....

 

Van Aken District developers, architects brainstorm with Shaker Planning Commission

Thomas Jewell, special to Northeast Ohio Media Group By Thomas Jewell, special to Northeast Ohio Media Group

on September 30, 2015 at 12:55 AM, updated September 30, 2015 at 1:59 AM

 

SHAKER HEIGHTS, Ohio -- With Phase One of the Van Aken District revitalization project set to go in the spring, developers and architects met Tuesday (Sept. 29) with the City Planning Commission to go over some preliminary designs.

 

"This was an initial presentation of the whole site plan and architecture, with some massing and and scale forms," said RMS Investment Corp.'s Jon Ratner, whose family developed the Van Aken Center in the 1950s.

 

"This is their first time coming to us with this amount of detail," noted City Planning Director Joyce Braverman.

 

MORE:

http://www.cleveland.com/shaker-heights/index.ssf/2015/09/van_aken_district_developers_a.html

An update on the Van Aken District project from Michelle. Apparently the existing Fresh Market building will house a new food hall with primarily local tenants, and Fresh Market will relocate nearby. And Shinola is the first retail tenant to be announced.

 

Shinola picks Van Aken District in Shaker Heights for first Ohio store, anchoring food hall (photos)

SHAKER HEIGHTS, Ohio – Detroit-based watchmaker Shinola has signed a deal for its first Ohio store, which will anchor a food hall at the heart of the Van Aken District project in Shaker Heights.

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2015/10/shinola_picks_van_aken_distric.html#incart_gallery

More...

 

@CrainRltywriter: RMS tries something new at its Van Aken redo: a food hall. Anchored by a Detroit-based watchmaker, no less. https://t.co/J0sYEo07c2

Palmisano said Rising Star Coffee of Ohio City and two new dining concepts from the owners of Luna Bakery also have committed to what the company described as “stall space” in the food hall.

 

So is the "food hall" anything other than a typically mall food court given a 2000 name?

I'm guessing the food quality will be a pretty substantial difference.

Also, Mitchells Ice Cream has committed, but likely to a free standing building or within another building. 

You could call the Food Hall a food court of sorts... more artisan and local. Food halls are cropping up in NY, based on hawker centers in Singapore (though I wish they were based on more of the ethnic, street food style centers!). Here's an example:

 

urbanspacenyc.com

urbanspacevanderbilt.com

 

I just went to UrbanSpace Vanderbilt last weekend (located near Grand Central Station). UrbanSpace will be running Anthony Bourdain's food hall in NY. I hope it works out at Van Aken.

Welcome, jopancle!

Michelle Jarboe ‏mjarboe[/member]  Oct 20

.@Shinola to anchor food hall at @vanakendistrict project in Shaker Heights:

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2015/10/shinola_picks_van_aken_distric.html

 

Welcome, jopancle!

Thanks! I've hovering for a little while and figured it was a good time to jump in with my first post. Reading urbanohio = one of the first things I do when I get to my computer...

Of course, this is my favorite rendering of the Van Aken District -- which will be a strong all-day ridership anchor for the Blue Line, unlike a park-n-ride that generates only one rush-hour trip per direction per day.

 

VanAkenDistrict_RMS-render-2015-2 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr

You could call the Food Hall a food court of sorts... more artisan and local. Food halls are cropping up in NY, based on hawker centers in Singapore (though I wish they were based on more of the ethnic, street food style centers!). Here's an example:

 

urbanspacenyc.com

urbanspacevanderbilt.com

 

I just went to UrbanSpace Vanderbilt last weekend (located near Grand Central Station). UrbanSpace will be running Anthony Bourdain's food hall in NY. I hope it works out at Van Aken.

 

Thank you and welcome.

 

If it's something like this, I really like the idea. I was assuming each retailer would want to be able to have their area locked up every night and there would be a central eating area with bigger, communal tables. It appears more closely to resemble a vendor market.

 

Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but it seems like the work on Warrensville Center Road is almost done?

You could call the Food Hall a food court of sorts... more artisan and local. Food halls are cropping up in NY, based on hawker centers in Singapore (though I wish they were based on more of the ethnic, street food style centers!). Here's an example:

 

urbanspacenyc.com

urbanspacevanderbilt.com

 

I just went to UrbanSpace Vanderbilt last weekend (located near Grand Central Station). UrbanSpace will be running Anthony Bourdain's food hall in NY. I hope it works out at Van Aken.

 

Thank you and welcome.

 

If it's something like this, I really like the idea. I was assuming each retailer would want to be able to have their area locked up every night and there would be a central eating area with bigger, communal tables. It appears more closely to resemble a vendor market.

 

 

I love this! Food Markets are 'the thing' on the East coast.

Baltimore's newest opened a couple weeks ago in the historic/artistic Mount Vernon.  It's a wonderful space that leans towards local vendors. We have a couple of these in the city and they are highly successful.  http://mtvernonmarketplace.com

 

 

You could call the Food Hall a food court of sorts... more artisan and local. Food halls are cropping up in NY, based on hawker centers in Singapore (though I wish they were based on more of the ethnic, street food style centers!). Here's an example:

 

urbanspacenyc.com

urbanspacevanderbilt.com

 

I just went to UrbanSpace Vanderbilt last weekend (located near Grand Central Station). UrbanSpace will be running Anthony Bourdain's food hall in NY. I hope it works out at Van Aken.

 

Thank you and welcome.

 

If it's something like this, I really like the idea. I was assuming each retailer would want to be able to have their area locked up every night and there would be a central eating area with bigger, communal tables. It appears more closely to resemble a vendor market.

 

 

I love this! Food Markets are 'the thing' on the East coast.

Baltimore's newest opened a couple weeks ago in the historic/artistic Mount Vernon.  It's a wonderful space that leans towards local vendors. We have a couple of these in the city and they are highly successful.  http://mtvernonmarketplace.com

 

 

 

Precisely.  Take a look at Union Market in DC as well, another example of the breed. This could be a great draw for Van Aken! Very exciting.

 

http://unionmarketdc.com/

 

 

New photos and videos posted at:

 

http://www.shakeronline.com/news-and-events/pictures-of-progress

Construction Update

November 5, 2015

 

Lane Changes on Warrensville and Chagrin Beginning Friday

Major Traffic Delays Expected

Expect traffic delays in the area of Warrensville and Chagrin between

7 am – 10 pm Friday, November 6 and Saturday, November 7. Milling work will require shifting lanes and traffic patterns throughout this time period.         

 

Motorists are strongly urged to avoid the area, especially on Friday.

 

Expected timeline and work areas are as follows:         

 

Friday, November 6

Chagrin between Farnsleigh and Warrensville

Access to Wendy’s from Chagrin and Warrensville  will be maintained. Access to Lucy’s Sweet Surrender, Bicycle Boulevard, Swerve, Curves, Geno’s, MotoPhoto, and Juma will be via Lomond only.

 

Warrensville  between Farnsleigh and Chagrin

Christ Episcopal Church, the Shaker Medical Building, and Rite Aid can be accessed via Helen which runs parallel to Warrensville between Farnsleigh and Chagrin to the east.

 

Saturday, November 7

Warrensville between Chagrin and Norwood 

 

For questions, please call the Cuyahoga County field office at 216-752-9047.

 

Visit Construction Zone for the latest construction information. http://www.shakeronline.com/news-and-events/construction-zone

Here appears to be the latest info on Van Aken - including new renderings I've not seen - and other detail:

 

http://www.thevanakendistrict.com/RMS-Retail-Leasing.pdf

I know it's been mentioned before, but that site plan is so discouraging. It seems as if it blocks any future expansion of the blue line, although I suppose that might not be necessarily true. Still, the plan does not interact well with the station at all, it turns its back to it.

I know it's been mentioned before, but that site plan is so discouraging. It seems as if it blocks any future expansion of the blue line, although I suppose that might not be necessarily true. Still, the plan does not interact well with the station at all, it turns its back to it.

 

Yes, it blocks future extension of the Blue Line. And I'm paraphrasing GCRTA GM Joe Calabrese: It's not a substantial building that would block a future rail extension. So by the time that building is due to be replaced, the extension of the Blue Line may be justified.

Missed this one. And it's not the same development as the Van Aken District. But it's nearby and we don't have a general Shaker Heights development thread....

 

Shaker Heights starts ball rolling on 27-townhome development at Transit Village

By Jeff Piorkowski, special to Sun News

on October 27, 2015 at 9:39 AM, updated October 27, 2015 at 9:41 AM

 

SHAKER HEIGHTS, Ohio -- A project discussed for more than a year and that will lead to the construction of up to 27 new townhomes on a now-vacant city-owned property has been given the green light.

 

City Council, at its meeting Monday evening, unanimously passed legislation that calls for Shaker Heights to enter into an agreement with Vintage Development Group to develop the two-acre Crescent site in Transit Village. Transit Village is a neighborhood development project aimed at re-energizing an established neighborhood.

 

The Crescent site is located on the southwest corner of the Van Aken/Onaway/Sutton intersection and is adjacent to the Blue Line transit station at Onaway. The property has always been vacant.

 

MORE:

http://www.cleveland.com/shaker-heights/index.ssf/2015/10/shaker_heights_transit_village.html

Technically counts haha. This is amazing news! We are looking to buy in Shaker and the Cleveland encroachment was slightly making me uneasy. This will definitely help with that! Now they just need to work more with Cleveland to continue coming up with plans to reinvest in the southern and western borders.

Technically counts haha. This is amazing news! We are looking to buy in Shaker and the Cleveland encroachment was slightly making me uneasy. This will definitely help with that! Now they just need to work more with Cleveland to continue coming up with plans to reinvest in the southern and western borders.

 

Yes that is definately a concern as you cant deny the areas that border Cleveland certainly struggle with the spillover (think of the weekend shooting by police of the intruder very near here).  Certainly this should help to stabilize this part of Shaker and should only help the areas leading to Shaker Square.  Although with the lack of leadership on the Cleveland side, Buckeye may end up beig a total loss.           

 

One thing Shaker certainly has going for it the tight knit neighborhoods that look out for each other. 

 

 

I know it's been mentioned before, but that site plan is so discouraging. It seems as if it blocks any future expansion of the blue line, although I suppose that might not be necessarily true. Still, the plan does not interact well with the station at all, it turns its back to it.

 

Yes, it blocks future extension of the Blue Line. And I'm paraphrasing GCRTA GM Joe Calabrese: It's not a substantial building that would block a future rail extension. So by the time that building is due to be replaced, the extension of the Blue Line may be justified.

 

Sounds like pretzel-logic.

It doesn't make any sense at all, ever, to build anything that:

 

1) is expected to merit demolition in the foreseeable future, or

 

2) blocks rail expansion.

 

Long-term physical blockage is about the strongest statement RTA could make against extending this rail line.

Technically counts haha. This is amazing news! We are looking to buy in Shaker and the Cleveland encroachment was slightly making me uneasy. This will definitely help with that! Now they just need to work more with Cleveland to continue coming up with plans to reinvest in the southern and western borders.

 

We just bought a 1/2 mi-ish from here and this is a very positive development.  Like willyboy[/member] said, it is a very close knit neighborhood and you get to know your neighbors pretty easily.