May 25, 200718 yr And your point is...the suburbs are more dangerous than Over the Rhine? False. Now sure a point like "it could have been an isolated incident", or "this type of event is happening less and less in OTR" would both be somewhat valid. But comparing intentional violence in OTR to accidental violence in the suburbs is just not a valid comparison. There were two cars that crashed into a building downtown last week you know... why not?, when you are dead you are dead. Over the Rhine had 0 suicides in 2004, the rest of the county had 122. They are all meaningless comparisons, but a lot of people are more scared of flying than driving depsite what the odds are for dying in each. People have irrational fears. From January to April OTR had one murder. Same as Mt. Adams. Suicide is a matter of taking something into your own hands. Getting murdered isn't. Comparing Mt. Adams to Over the Rhine is just goofy.
May 25, 200718 yr No, suicide and crime have the exact same underlying issues--Economics and Mental Health. The presence of either indicates a failing in these two areas. The problems are the same, but the end result is different. Comparing Mt. Adams to OTR is very reasonable. They are two high profile Cincinnati Urban neigborhoods literally within sight of each other. Every considers one dangerous and the other safe, but they have the same number of murders. The statistics are wildly different in every other category, but the media always focuses on murders and the murder count. I just wanted to give perspective.
October 25, 200717 yr Just heard on the radio that 2 men where attacked and robbed in OTR. The two men where working on fixing up a house when robbers broke in and attacked and robbed the two men. One had to be taken to the hospital. This kind of stuff seems like it's still happening way to often in OTR. :x
October 25, 200717 yr yea this is unfortunate, but thankfully they are OK. I wonder what building they were renovating?
October 25, 200717 yr It's a shame that crime still seems to be a somewhat serious concern when talking about OTR. It's unfortunate, but it seems the only solution is to keep promoting OTR and get good law bidding citizens to move in OTR and drive the crime out. The downside is that the crime has to go somewhere so I'm sure another section of town will become the hotbed for crime.
October 25, 200717 yr It's a shame that crime still seems to be a somewhat serious concern when talking about OTR. It's unfortunate, but it seems the only solution is to keep promoting OTR and get good law bidding citizens to move in OTR and drive the crime out. The downside is that the crime has to go somewhere so I'm sure another section of town will become the hotbed for crime. yea, to west chester. :evil:
October 25, 200717 yr ^^It will be. I don't understand the need to shot the men, why wouldn't you just run?
October 25, 200717 yr ^^It will be. I don't understand the need to shot the men, why wouldn't you just run? what? they did run and that seems to be why they were shot. people who rob people tend not to be the smartest to begin with, so trying to reason why they shot their gun is pointless.
October 25, 200717 yr ^I'm talking about the shooters, why wouldn't you just run away at the time the victims reached the fire station? But yeah, trying to find reason in the minds of criminals is pointless.
October 25, 200717 yr Last week when we were touring the proposed streetcar route, a crackhead on a bike tried yelling something at us at that same intersection.(Vine and McMicken) needless to say we didn't stop to find out what he wanted. Luckily we caught all green lights through Liberty. The dumbass chased us for about two blocks. Sadly, McMicken is still pretty shady. Don't think I will be checking out anything in those blocks anytime soon. As much as I hate to admit it, this little incident may prove to be a little bit of a setback for the area around McMick. (That is the Brewery District area, Correct??????)
October 25, 200717 yr Yes, I'm a little concerned about the streetcars going through that area. If that area doesn't get cleaned up I can see the streetcar neysayers having the last laugh.
October 25, 200717 yr Some questions here. 9:00 at night? rehabbers at McMicken and Vine? 18-21 years old? If anyone has the time, see who owns 3 W. McMicken, and if there are any work permits pulled. The auditor does not reflect the most current sale as it has happened apparently within the month.
October 25, 200717 yr Same questions that ran through my dome as well. ?? There are a lot of kids around that age interested in OTR for rehab opportunities. I will give it that much!
October 25, 200717 yr you may be right, but if someone wants to pull permits, I sure would be interested. There are a lot of people questioning this today other than just me.
October 25, 200717 yr What other scenarios might you be pondering? Not to judge this before the entire truth is exposed, but I have been thinking of several all day myself. The pic on WCPO.com showed a kid being loaded into the ambulance. http://www.wcpo.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=c6ac82dc-3c4d-4901-9af4-278f5b03c47f
October 25, 200717 yr Something is fishy. Why would they try to rob rehabbers, knowing they are not going to carry much money with them in that area and if they tried to rob them, wouldn't the robbers block the front door preventing them from get out???
October 25, 200717 yr Says they got $140 from em. That's a million when you throw in the crackhead exchange rate! Why you would have anything more than $5 is beyond me.
October 25, 200717 yr Just announced on the radio....another shooting. Man shoot in the cheest in the West End. What's going on over their!
October 25, 200717 yr What other scenarios might you be pondering? It just doesn't make sence, it may be true, but I am hearing (second and third hand) that these were not rehabbers and this is coming from someone on the scene. So I am just saying, lets match names to addresses here and if it doesn't match, lets get the media to report what really happened.
October 25, 200717 yr ^I would have to agree if this were not to be related to rehabbing. It wouldn't surprise me to hear the media jumped the gun and got there facts wrong on this one AGAIN!
October 25, 200717 yr Now keep in mind, I am not saying they are wrong, but I am saying this one deserves some closer looking into. I am hearing that they were bug bombing the building now and this is why the door was open.
October 25, 200717 yr I agree, but remember the missing Westwood Boy Scout kid from a couple weeks back that had over 3 different stories as to what happened , including another suicide in Cheviot that could have been linked. Ended up the kid OD on pills. Local media %$&*ed that up beyond belief.
October 25, 200717 yr Just announced on the radio....another shooting. Man shoot in the cheest in the West End. What's going on over their! Easy there booster-seat. These types of things go in cycles and are more often than not tied to some other form of criminal activity...meaning it is quite rare that innocent people get caught in the middle of this type of stuff.
October 25, 200717 yr Rehabber recounts shooting BY JENNIFER BAKER | CINCINNATI ENQUIRER October 25, 2007 OVER-THE-RHINE – An 18-year-old and his friend were rehabbing a McMicken Avenue home Wednesday night and were preparing to let off some poison bug spray. They opened the front door so the fumes wouldn’t choke them. Two men, one armed with a gun, walked in. One said, “Give me everything,” the teen recalled this morning. He handed over his money, $140 in cash. They demanded his cell phone. The teen refused and started running for his life with his 21-year-old friend. Moments later, on Findlay Street, the two became the city’s latest gunshot victims. “I was hit right as I was just about to get across the corner,” the teen said. “I was actually running and I just kind of turned around, you know, to see what was going on. If I hadn’t turned, (the bullet) probably would have came into my back. I turned to the side and right as that happened, I just knew. I felt the heat. I felt the burn. “And then I stopped in my tracks and stared them in the eye,” he said. “Then my buddy just grabbed me and I kept going.” His friend was shot in the left leg. The two men were able to make it to a nearby firehouse they knew was at McMicken Avenue and Vine Street. They rang the bell outside the station and waited. No one answered. There were a lot of people in the street, he recalled, and one of them apparently called 911 for them. The paramedics in an ambulance that responded told them the firefighters at the station were out on another run. The two men were treated and released from University Hospital. The 21-year-old declined comment today, saying he was still recovering from the incident. The whole thing happened so fast, the teen said; he couldn’t give much of a description of his assailants. Police have told him he may have been shot with a bullet from a .38 caliber revolver. The bullet grazed the outer layer of skin in the middle of his chest and remains lodged there. Doctors at University Hospital told him to come back in two weeks and they would decide if they could remove the bullet. Bullets fired at the two also hit one window in each of two neighboring residences in the 1900 block of Vine Street, a police report shows. No one was injured. The whole episode seems like a bad dream today to the teen who, ironically, said he had a dream recently that he had been shot. And he was thinking about that dream, he said, earlier in the day, before the shooting. “I had a dream that I had gotten shot three times,” he said. “But this is only one. And I was thinking about that lot yesterday before this happened. I was thinking about my dream and then as soon as it happened, you know….I don’t know. I am a little discombobulated really.” [glow=yellow,2,300]The shooting won’t scare him away from the neighborhood, which is undergoing a flurry of new construction. “I am not leaving,” he said. “I am not going anywhere.”[/glow] As for his assailants, he said he hopes they are captured and prosecuted. “What goes around comes around,” he said. The Enquirer will update this story as information develops.
October 25, 200717 yr Just announced on the radio....another shooting. Man shoot in the cheest in the West End. What's going on over their! Easy there booster-seat. These types of things go in cycles and are more often than not tied to some other form of criminal activity...meaning it is quite rare that innocent people get caught in the middle of this type of stuff. Booster-seat.......good one. Innocent or not innocent, crime is crime and the media will run with this as long as they can.
October 25, 200717 yr The shooting won’t scare him away from the neighborhood, which is undergoing a flurry of new construction. “I am not leaving,” he said. “I am not going anywhere.” Encouraging!
October 25, 200717 yr Just announced on the radio....another shooting. Man shoot in the cheest in the West End. What's going on over their! Easy there booster-seat. These types of things go in cycles and are more often than not tied to some other form of criminal activity...meaning it is quite rare that innocent people get caught in the middle of this type of stuff. Booster-seat.......good one. Innocent or not innocent, crime is crime and the media will run with this as long as they can. I heard "booster-seat" used on The Office last week and have been looking for an excuse to use it ever since. So naturally I jumped at the first questionable opportunity I had.
October 26, 200717 yr ^I base the decisions I make in my life off of the things I learn on The Office. :-D
October 26, 200717 yr somebody please merge and clean this up Agreed. Just saw this incident on the news. These guys were saying some pretty cool things (i.e. they're dedicated to the neighborhood, nothing will push them out, the community has come to them making sure everything is ok, etc ...)
October 26, 200717 yr Saw them on the tube last night being interviewed. Definitely a priceless addition to OTR. Can't say how I would have felt after being put in a situation like that, and then be standing on the same street corner the next day. My hats of to these two!!! I regret having my second thoughts at first. OTR needs more of these folk!
March 1, 200916 yr Wow, I just finished reading this whole thread, and what a fascinating read it was. It's absolutely wild how much this neighborhood has changed since the last post in this thread. I had no clue that OTR got WORSE after the riots. It certainly feels a lot nicer these days. Granted, I'm not down there every day, but I would be if I didn't live so far away. I really wish that 3CDC could do one more phase past Green St to truly connect with Findlay Market. It sucks that OTR's best attraction is in the worst area. It's hard to image a street THIS beautiful being one of the crime littered streets in the Midwest: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=mulberry+st,+cincinnati&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=37.410045,65.478516&ie=UTF8&ll=39.114112,-84.517908&spn=0.008957,0.015986&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=39.114196,-84.517925&panoid=H3tL56H2kxrU1JdBX1pbFg&cbp=12,281.3794922324353,,0,-11.671140939597315 That needs to change.
March 2, 200916 yr I hear ya!! I love the streets that are lined with those mature trees. They look incredible.
March 2, 200916 yr WCPO.com was calling 9th st. OTR again. (the homicide today that occured in the CBD) It's no wonder OTR gets a bad rap.
March 3, 200916 yr Well someone was shot at 15th and Walnut today too, so that bad rap isn't completely unwarrented.
March 3, 200916 yr While I wouldn't worry about getting shot in OTR, other crimes such as theft or mugging would be something I'd worry about. How many of these shootings are gang-related? I bet the vast majority are. The problem is driving out or stomping out that culture. Gangs were common in the run-down, trashy Short North back in the day with old people getting mugged and women raped in Goodale Park. We know that's not the only neighborhood to successfully kick out gangs, so aren't there examples that can be followed to expedite the process? ^^^^^That intersection looks great even in its current state.
March 3, 200916 yr I don't know if the problem is so much gangs, as just open drug sales, and people hanging out with nothing to do.
March 19, 201015 yr I know this won't be a very popular comment, but I was down in the Gateway Quarter today around 2 PM looking to do some shopping at the various stores. I had been down to the Gateway a few times in the winter, and a few times last summer, so I'm not exactly new when it comes to the neighborhood. Anyways, I was pretty disappointed with the overall feel of the area on this visit. I walked from Central Parkway up to 15th to check out the progress happening on the latest round of rehabs, and found the street scene to be extremely chaotic and, for lack of a better word, ghetto. There were tons of people out loitering on the sidewalk, music was bumping from cars going down the street, people were walking in the middle of the street in front of traffic, and there was just a general sense of lawlessness. This is my first time down to the Gateway Quarter during a weekday in the middle of the day, and I must say I'm really disappointed. The buildings that have been rehabbed look great, but the the neighborhood still felt really shady on this visit. It won't deter me from visiting again next time I'm in Cincy, but I know if my mom or sister had been with me, they would have probably left with very little inclination to return.
March 19, 201015 yr ^ You will always have this until more of the place is rehabbed an gentrified, and that big Kroger there is going to draw people. I'm not sure if there is a "tipping point" number, but reduce the number of locals and you will have less of a 'street' presence. From what i can tell the first two blocks of Vine n. of Liberty is OK now. Having done some walks now north of Liberty that area is probably more ghetto, as is Pendeleton, the area around the Pendelteon arts center and that big chruch.
March 19, 201015 yr edale, I remember thinking the same thing the first time I walked through it. You read all this stuff and expect a certain something and than you realize there is still a long way to go. For me that was two years ago and the progress since that time has been nothing short of amazing. Still a lot of work to be done and more buildings to rehab. The more people that continue to move in, the more businesses will open and the better the overall feel will be. I went on Saturday night to Senate and Lavomatic and the area had a great feel.
March 19, 201015 yr ^ I also think that as more businesses move into the neighborhood it will change drastically during the daytime. Most of the people that have bought into the neighborhood are young professionals which means they are at work during the day on weekdays. As more offices move to the area you will start to get more daytime foot-traffic. As someone who doesn't live in Cincy and really only gets to see it several times a year the progress is outstanding, but there is still a long road ahead.
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