February 27, 200817 yr Diesel prices are pretty shocking, I saw 3.69 the other day. I don't mind high gas prices, it's good for our cities in the long run. $5./gallon would be great, BRING IT!
February 27, 200817 yr YEA, BUT THE DOWNSIDE WOULD BE IT IS DRIVING INFLATION ON TOP OF A WEAKENING DOLLAR. They will use oil as an excuse to raise prices across the board on anything. example: $5 gal of milk We will all pay for it directly or indirectly on goods and services we buy, weather we own a car or not.
February 27, 200817 yr February 27, 2008 Gas Prices Soar, Posing a Threat to Family Budget By JAD MOUAWAD The New York Times Gasoline prices, which for months lagged behind the big run-up in the price of oil, are suddenly rising quickly, with some experts saying they could approach $4 a gallon by spring. Diesel is hitting new records daily, and oil settled at a record high of $100.88 a barrel on Tuesday. The increases could not come at a worse time for the economy. With growth slowing, energy increases that were once easily absorbed by consumers are now more likely to act as a drag on household budgets, leaving people with less money to spend elsewhere. These costs could worsen the nation’s economic woes, piling a fresh energy shock on top of the turmoil in credit and housing. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/27/business/27gas.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin
February 28, 200817 yr Bush finds out about $4 gas forecasts President says best way to help consumers cope is to make his tax cuts permanent. February 28 2008: 12:52 PM EST NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- President Bush, saying he was unaware of predictions of $4-a-gallon gasoline in the coming months, told reporters Thursday that the best way to help Americans fend off high prices is for Congress to make his first-term tax cuts permanent. "If you're out there wondering... what your life is going to be like, and you're looking at $4 a gallon, that's uncertain," Bush responded to a question posed at a White House news conference. "And when you couple that with the idea that... taxes may be going up in a couple years, that's double uncertainty." More at: http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/28/news/economy/bush_energy_policy/index.htm?cnn=yes
February 29, 200817 yr Interesting story from CNN on Politics and Oil: http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/02/28/sot.bush.gas.prices.cnn
February 29, 200817 yr Gas prices straining budgets, CNN.com readers say (CNN) -- Rising gas prices are hitting CNN.com readers in the wallet, and many say they are staying in and scaling back spending to try to keep up. Most readers said they were driving as little as possible, cutting back on shopping and eating out and other discretionary spending. Travis Grim, of Dallas, Texas, said he moved so that he could be closer to work. "Now I'm in walking distance. I'm sure towns and businesses will see a surge as people leave the suburbs for relief," he wrote. Other readers said they changed jobs, or sold their homes so they could have a shorter commute. Find this article at: http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/29/gas.squeeze.irpt/index.html
March 4, 200817 yr Americans Start to Curb Thirst for Gasoline:[\b] http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120451858896807177.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
March 5, 200817 yr I cannot believe how much food cost is going up. I was talking to my poultry vendor at the market about it-assuming it was due entirely to fuel costs to get food to market. He said another factor is farmers are selling corn to produce ethanol and not for feed, so it is making it even worse. I feel terrible about the effect this is having on lower income folks. As far as gasoline I almost feel embarrassed we are unaffected. We live and work in the city. For the most part,I use the car pretty much for work appts only and I get reimbursed. Spouse walks to work in the winter. We rarely leave the city for recreation,and 2/3 or the year I ride a 90-100 mpg scooter. Our next trip out of town is on mega bus and Amtrak-for less than cost of driving So as far as actually gas for my tanks, it would have to be $20 a gallon or so before I really started to hurt. City living and scooter driving -you gotta love it (no I don't officially sell either, but I should!)
March 5, 200817 yr I feel terrible about the effect this is having on lower income folks. As far as gasoline I almost feel embarrassed we are unaffected. We live and work in the city. Don't be embarrassed, be proud and smug! Your chosen enviro friendly lifestyle is justly insulating you from fluctuations in the cost of commodoties you consume less of. In a city like Cleveland, the choice is available to most folks.
March 5, 200817 yr I cannot believe how much food cost is going up. You got that right a gallon of organic milk is damn near $5.
March 6, 200817 yr Bush: Use ethanol to get off oil Bush calls for energy independence, stands by ethanol although environmental benefits of the corn-based fuel are questioned while it is blamed for surging food prices. By Steve Hargreaves CNNMoney.com staff writer March 5 2008: 4:03 PM EST WASHINGTON (CNNMoney.com) -- President Bush said the United States should "get off oil" Wednesday as crude prices hit record highs and renewed his support for ethanol use despite concerns the corn-based fuel is driving up food prices and isn't more environmentally friendly than gasoline. "We gotta get off oil, American has got to change its habits," Bush told a crowd at the Washington International Renewable Energy Conference, a meeting of global energy officials and an adjoining trade show that's the largest all-renewables show ever held in the United States. "It should be obvious to all, demand has outstripped supply, which makes prices go up." More: http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/05/news/bush_ethanol/index.htm?postversion=2008030516
March 6, 200817 yr I cannot believe how much food cost is going up. I was talking to my poultry vendor at the market about it-assuming it was due entirely to fuel costs to get food to market. He said another factor is farmers are selling corn to produce ethanol and not for feed, so it is making it even worse. I feel terrible about the effect this is having on lower income folks. As far as gasoline I almost feel embarrassed we are unaffected. We live and work in the city. For the most part,I use the car pretty much for work appts only and I get reimbursed. Spouse walks to work in the winter. We rarely leave the city for recreation,and 2/3 or the year I ride a 90-100 mpg scooter. Our next trip out of town is on mega bus and Amtrak-for less than cost of driving So as far as actually gas for my tanks, it would have to be $20 a gallon or so before I really started to hurt. City living and scooter driving -you gotta love it (no I don't officially sell either, but I should!) Those foo's at the food companies need to get with the program and get their stuff off the roads and onto the rails.
March 6, 200817 yr A typical moronic response from the Bush administration. Produce alternative fuels, but do nothing to actually reduce consumption by creating more transportation choices to move ourselves or our goods.
March 6, 200817 yr City living and scooter driving -you gotta love it (no I don't officially sell either, but I should!) Honey, we all sell city living here! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 6, 200817 yr You got that right a gallon of organic milk is damn near $5. Even a gallon of non-organic milk is near $4.
March 6, 200817 yr Pretty soon we will be marvelling at designs for the world's new tallest building- Burj Iowa.
March 7, 200817 yr Think of all the billions we've squandered over the years driving gas guzzlers, etc. - mind boggling. $100 oil hurts, just like a recession Economists, once so dismissive of pricey crude's economic impact, say it's going to hurt. By Steve Hargreaves, CNNMoney.com staff writer March 7, 2008: 2:17 PM EST NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- All of those people that believe high oil prices will hurt the economy may be onto something. Back in October, when oil prices were near $90 a barrel and the economy was still humming along economists said high oil prices shouldn't cut into economic growth - despite widespread public opinion to the contrary. The economy used oil more efficiently than it did in the 1970s, and spending on gas was just a small percent of people's budget, the experts said. More: http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/07/news/economy/oil_recession/index.htm?postversion=2008030714
March 7, 200817 yr Pretty soon we will be marvelling at designs for the world's new tallest building- Burj Iowa. That's funny. A typical moronic response from the Bush administration. Produce alternative fuels, but do nothing to actually reduce consumption by creating more transportation choices to move ourselves or our goods. And that's so sadly true. By all (non-political) accounts, the ethanol boom is such a joke.
March 7, 200817 yr City living and scooter driving -you gotta love it Ditto, say hi to P.O.C Phil for me.
March 7, 200817 yr City living and scooter driving -you gotta love it Ditto, say hi to P.O.C Phil for me. Will do. Phil and the gang at POC are awesome. Do you ride (and what?)
March 10, 200817 yr Consumers pinching their pennies Jen Haley CNN NEW YORK (CNN) -- New Yorker Evelyn Molina used to spend a lot of money eating out, buying her lunch and going out to dinner with friends about three to four times a week. "I just wasn't conscious of it," she says. But times have changed for the 25-year-old marketing analyst. Now she brings a sandwich to work and she's looking to cut her spending. Find this article at: http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/personal/03/07/consumer.spending/index.html
March 10, 200817 yr I think its more than just fuel. Home heating prices are outrageous. My parents decided to turn the heat off in north side of the house as they got a whopping $763 bill!
March 10, 200817 yr Will do. Phil and the gang at POC are awesome. Do you ride (and what?) Yup, WKRP is at the end of the month he and his entourage uaually come down to the Nati. At this moment I have a Stella, Elite 250 and Vespa Rally 180. You?
March 10, 200817 yr I was not planning on going to the rally --not too feasible as far as getting scooters down there. I cannot think of a better way to see the city though. Maybe one day. I heard that WKRP is the best city rally in the midwest. Maybe we should talk some of the Ohio scooter shops into giving an OU discount. I would love to see more people on 2 wheels instead of 4 (but busses great of course!). I have a Genunine Buddy 125. It is a speedy little gas sipping champ.
March 10, 200817 yr Hope you can make it sometime, we expect about 300 scooters this year. Buddys are AWESOME scooters. Enjoy!
March 11, 200817 yr Maximillian, your avatar really bugs me! (Actually, I LOVE IT!) "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 11, 200817 yr Maximillian, your avatar really bugs me! (Actually, I LOVE IT!) I thought I had a bug in my house and started freaking out! I hate it! anywhooo....back to fuel.
March 11, 200817 yr Alright this is crazy... 370.9 in some areas of Akron... Ugh.. I only put $20 in and only got a little over 5 gallons.. then I had to go get milk.. 4.25/gallon... this economy is crazy..
March 11, 200817 yr Bus. walk. bike. scooter.carpool. there are options. I know I am evil and wrong in some peoples mind, but this needs to happen. I hate that the working poor are sucked up in this mess, but it has been a long time coming.
March 11, 200817 yr Some woman in line at Kroger today was b!tching about gas prices and said our gov't leaders need to do something about the prices. Now I believe what I read about gas prices correlating to presidential approval ratings.
March 11, 200817 yr Some woman in line at Kroger today was b!tching about gas prices and said our gov't leaders need to do something about the prices. Now I believe what I read about gas prices correlating to presidential approval ratings. always everyone's fault but their own!
March 12, 200817 yr Comments indicative of how much "pain at the pump" is being felt and how it's rippling through other parts of the economy. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080312/NEWS11/803120399/-1/NEWS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Article published March 12, 2008 Gasoline prices soar, edge closer to $4 a gallon Cost jumped 40 cents in last 5 days By DAVID PATCH BLADE STAFF WRITER Jeff Jacobs might have used his unexpected March vacation to visit relatives and attend a Kid Rock concert in Virginia, but the once-again skyrocketing price of gasoline changed those plans. "I'm just going to have to watch everything I buy and cut back," Mr. Jacobs said yesterday while filling up at a Meijer station on Alexis Road that was one of the last in the area to hike its price. More at link above:
March 12, 200817 yr Why do you think we haven't seen more alternative choices yet? (besides the E85 joke) Is gas still too cheap or is there a bigger player making sure no one offers hydrogen, solar, electric, etc. to the masses until they have squeezed every last penny from hard working Americans and killed our economy. I ask the same question about solar energy for houses. I am 27, and I remember them teaching us about solar energy in 2nd or 3rd grade. Here we are decades later, and they still teach about it in schools, but there is no real push to convert house tops to solar panels. ( I have been interested and have found some good websites linking SOME company's and tax write off info.) I know we don't get sun like the southwest but we get enough to make it effective. Where is even your basic marketing? (billboards, commercials, There is nothing and we are in 2008.)
March 12, 200817 yr $3.459 for regular, $3.559 for premium at E 185 / Neff Rd. Sunoco (Grovewood neighborhood) this morning... disgusting, but not nearly as disgusting as $3.999 for diesel -- I have a friend in Arizona whose brother is an independent OTR trucker, he's gotta be hurting
March 12, 200817 yr Part of the problem lies in Washington, where the "leadership" latches on to band-aid solutions (E-85) but doesn't do anything to reduce the demand for oil and gasoline....in other words, more and better options to being forced to drive..... rail, transit, bikeways, walkable neighborhoods.
March 12, 200817 yr Some woman in line at Kroger today was b!tching about gas prices and said our gov't leaders need to do something about the prices. Now I believe what I read about gas prices correlating to presidential approval ratings. always everyone's fault but their own! I'll bet she loaded her fifteen pounds of groceries into a 5,000-pound SUV. Separate thought: An article in this morning's Journal Gazette said that Citilink (Fort Wayne Public Transportation Corp.) experienced a fourteen per cent increase in ridership in February 2008 over February 2007. That in a town where riding the bus carries a stigma, and various city councilmen at various times have advocated privatizing the system if it can't recover its own costs from revenues.
March 12, 200817 yr Part of the problem lies in Washington, where the "leadership" latches on to band-aid solutions (E-85) but doesn't do anything to reduce the demand for oil and gasoline....in other words, more and better options to being forced to drive..... rail, transit, bikeways, walkable neighborhoods. That's because they actually think we can come up with a solution without inconveniencing anybody (particularly their campaign contributors). Of course, Americans complain about everything. We whine about gas taxes but want free highways. We want low taxes but ample public services. We think we should be able to get something for nothing. When Jimmy Carter got on TV in his cardigan, saying we needed to save energy, everyone made fun of him and it was one of the reasons he lost the election. Newsflash: lifestyle changes ahead and sooner than we think. The longer we wait, the more painful the transition is going to be.
March 13, 200817 yr Read the quotes from the Toledo Blade story.... I think those lifestyle changes are already here...maybe not at full impact but it's clear these folks are already making changes. Unfotunately, their leaders are not.
March 13, 200817 yr I'm not waiting. My SUV trips are mostly on the weekends or when I need to go to Whole Foods or to the co-op for groceries and to recycle my items; I'm bringing down my 80 MPG moped (49cc) when I move to a place where I can store it; I bike to a lot of my destinations (and I need to get a pack for the bike). I love my SUV though. It's a 2006 Toyota RAV4, the best in its class for fuel economy for a non-hybrid, and as a 4-cyl., it has excellent acceleration. I see no reason to buy the V6 (although MPG decreases by ONE), or a 5,000 LB Explorer when I have absolutely no need for it. Dad bought a 2006 Chevy Silverado with a V8 and Tow Prep Package. Hardly uses it for its intended purpose. Won't carry large items from Lowes' for fear of scratching the paint, etc. or damaging the item. Won't take it off-road for fear of scratches. :P
March 13, 200817 yr I'm not waiting. My SUV trips are mostly on the weekends or when I need to go to Whole Foods or to the co-op for groceries and to recycle my items; I'm bringing down my 80 MPG moped (49cc) when I move to a place where I can store it; I bike to a lot of my destinations (and I need to get a pack for the bike). I love my SUV though. It's a 2006 Toyota RAV4, the best in its class for fuel economy for a non-hybrid, and as a 4-cyl., it has excellent acceleration. I see no reason to buy the V6 (although MPG decreases by ONE), or a 5,000 LB Explorer when I have absolutely no need for it. Dad bought a 2006 Chevy Silverado with a V8 and Tow Prep Package. Hardly uses it for its intended purpose. Won't carry large items from Lowes' for fear of scratching the paint, etc. or damaging the item. Won't take it off-road for fear of scratches. :P Ahahaha, this reminds me of people who drive a big truck every day so that they have space to carry big stuff home from Lowe's 0.1% of the time. LOWE'S WILL RENT YOU A TRUCK. CHEAP.
March 13, 200817 yr Long commutes get worse Thursday, March 13, 2008 3:33 AM By Mary Beth Lane and Randy Ludlow THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH Commuters who roll up major mileage between home and work are burning an ever-larger portion of their paychecks in their gas tanks. Record gasoline prices of about $3.45 a gallon are hitting home hardest among those who drive long distances to earn a buck. Nearly 10 percent of Ohioans drive 45 minutes or more to work, according to 2006 U.S. Census figures. For others, driving is their job. More: http://dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/03/13/gaswoes.ART_ART_03-13-08_B1_3A9KK8S.html?sid=101
March 13, 200817 yr Ahahaha, this reminds me of people who drive a big truck every day so that they have space to carry big stuff home from Lowe's 0.1% of the time. LOWE'S WILL RENT YOU A TRUCK. CHEAP. You can bet those rental prices will be increasing posthaste... probably still economical to rent, but Lowe's/HD have to accurately reflect their operating expense (plus whatever outrageous markup they put on it) in the cost passed onto the customer
March 13, 200817 yr Who gets rich off $3 gas - who doesn't The guy running the service station makes just a few cents, while crude oil producers take the biggest chunk. By Steve Hargreaves, CNNMoney.com staff writer Last Updated: March 13, 2008: 5:06 PM EDT NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Motorists may fume when forking over $3 a gallon at the local service station, but as it turns out, your local filling spot makes chump change from a gallon of gas. So exactly who is getting rich? Find this article at: http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/13/news/economy/gas_gallon/index.htm?cnn=yes
March 13, 200817 yr I think that people should be ready to give up oil and cheap energy in general. The industrialized lifestyles we are all familiar with have been built from the foundation of a form of energy that is running out very quickly.
March 13, 200817 yr Welcome to the forum! We also have a Peak Oil thread. You'll find a lot of folks who agree with you on that point. Good to have you on board.
March 15, 200817 yr Gas costs squeeze cities As budget projections are left in tatters, conservation, alternative fuels stressed Saturday, March 15, 2008 3:13 AM By Jim Woods, Mark Ferenchik and Dean Narciso THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH That pinch you feel at the gas pump might be the extra $10 or more you paid to fill up this week. For the city of Columbus, the bite is at least $1.4 million this year. Even for its smaller suburbs, the recent spike in gasoline prices can mean an additional $50,000 or more in fuel costs this year. "We feel it the same as every individual does," said Linda Fersch, Pickerington's finance director. The numbers are just bigger. More at: http://dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/03/15/CITYGAS.ART_ART_03-15-08_B1_D19LBTB.html?sid=101
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