September 15, 200618 yr Any you folks in Columbus comfirm a rumor that regular unleaded has dipped below $2 a gallon there? I was sent an email that a couple of stations on the westside had fallen beneith that mark.
September 15, 200618 yr According to http://www.columbusgasprices.com/ a speedway station on the south side is $1.99/gallon. I get nervous when I see prices drop so low. People are going to think we're out of the woods and that big gulf find somehow saved us. I can see people charging up thier credit cards this x-mas season and then be completely screwed when things get back above $3/gal by Memorial Day. From talking to folks at work with long commutes though, it seems like they are all still planning on getting rid of thier pickups in favor of Honda Civics. We'll see if that holds out.
October 15, 200618 yr Drive [glow=red,2,300]green[/glow], save green Is a hybrid right for you? That depends BY MIKE BOYER | ENQUIRER STAFF WRITER As the operator of a Xenia auto-salvage yard, Marty Luckoski is a fair judge of automotive sheet metal. So when his wife, Ann, expressed an interest in a new Toyota Prius gas-electric hybrid to replace her 5-year-old Chrysler PT Cruiser, he didn't hesitate. "Someday hydrogen-(powered) autos will make more sense, but we're not there yet," he said a week ago as they took ownership of a bright red Prius at Kings Toyota in Deerfield Township. "Right now, hybrids make a lot of sense." ... More at: http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061015/BIZ01/610150307/1076
October 15, 200618 yr "We love this revolution," said Rich Leopold, the council's executive director. "We think it's a great thing that this is happening. We just want to do it in the right way." I wonder if he's a descendant of pioneering environmental activist Aldo Leopold.
December 10, 200618 yr BIODIESEL BUS FUEL Students’ big plan: Eat up to fill ’er up Sunday, December 10, 2006 Simone Sebastian THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH Students at Dublin Jerome High School plan to turn Tater Tots into school-bus fuel — and save their school district thousands of dollars in the process. Next month, the district expects to begin test-running two school buses on 100 percent biodiesel fuel created from used vegetable oil from school cafeterias. If successful, the Dublin school district would become one of the first in the country to make its own pure biodiesel, said Robin Leeds, industry specialist for the National School Transportation Association. The innovative project is a year in the making. ... More at: http://dispatch.com/news-story.php?story=dispatch/2006/12/10/20061210-C1-04.html
April 24, 200718 yr Do you believe that high gasoline/petrol prices are a blessing in disguise? In other words, do you believe that higher prices for this item would return short-term and long-term benefits or losses? My opinion: If you view funding for mass-transit, you will see it has been nothing short of a roller-coaster. Funding for these items were quite moderate in the 1980s and early 1990s, but waned into the Clinton presidency only to rebound with the advent of our current president (Bush). As most are now aware, gasoline prices are approaching $3/gallon and have been over $4/gallon in certain markets for a while now. The days of $.99 cent days or even $1.99 days are over, it seems. Open up the paper and read the Letters to the Editor. Gasoline prices are because of Iraq. Iran. Saudi Arabia. Haliburton. Exxon. Shell. And whoever else we can point our finger at. But have we really looked at ourselves for the cause? We drive to go to the convenience store, supermarket, school, work and to our friend's house down the block. We drive 15-MPG sport-utility-vehicles with 4WD systems that suck gas -- because, we will need those heavy systems in the event of ice, snow, or in the event we become lost in the wilderness. We whine and complain when bicyclists block part of a traffic lane. We wince when those damn environmentalists try to push their agenda in mass-transit. And we label those who care about the environment hippies. Yes, this is geared towards the United States because I read about it daily in many newspapers. It is quite sickening, to see that instead of changing their commuting habits, making sacrifices, being environmentally conscious, or advocating for transit, that they would rather blame someone. But the times are changing. People are coming to the realization that cheap gasoline is no longer a reality. $5-6/gallon is already common place elsewhere in the world -- and it's quite higher in Canada than the United States, remember that. You have greater throbs of people wanting to rid their reliance on the automobile. Mass-transit is now the new buzzword. Bicycles are now hip. So is exercise. In a nation where the obesity rate threatens to reverse our life expectancy, and where kids aged 10 now have Type-II diabetes, the need for our riddance of the auto is ever more important. And the change is already happening. Denver is constructing a 151-mile system. Utah has an impressive light-rail system in-place that carries nearly 60,000 riders daily -- four times over initial projections -- and their system is rapidly expanding with more light-rail and heavy commuter lines being constructed. New York City is constructing a new north-south route on the west side. Cincinnati is gearing up for a streetcar system and a proposed light-rail line may come to light again. Cleveland is seeing expansions of their light-rail and subway systems. Chicago is gearing up for expansions and renovations after years of overburden and very high ridership. And the list goes on. High gasoline prices will have short-term impacts -- 5 to 10 year spans. The cost of food will certainly rise as most food is shipped in refrigerated trucks from source points 1,000 miles away. Stores and even universities (such as UK) are making a commitment to buy locally grown food for the sheer fact that its cheaper. People who commute one to two hours by car will have to shell out more from their pocket to fund their excessive driving habit. People will take less far-flung vacations. And so on. Long-term? Less dependence on the auto. More goods will be shipped by rail, in intermodal containers on double-stacked corridors (i.e. Heartland Corridor) being sent and received in massive intermodal complexes. Heavy rail will be upgraded -- most of the system already at or near capacity -- and lines will be added. Dark lines will be lit, and routes upgraded to handle larger intermodal containers. Light-rail and streetcars will become favorable for many commuters and urban dwellers. And so on. What are your opinions?
April 24, 200718 yr NYCs new subway line (second avenue) will be on the EAST side. You could even include the LIRR connection to Grand Central.
April 24, 200718 yr Well, keep focus. Either prices are high or they're low. Or they're about right. Half of your post says "why are prices so high here, let's look at our gas guzzling culture" but then note that gas is more expensive almost everywhere else. And it's clearly not because of higher demand elsewhere is it? Gas is getting more expensive everywhere but I don't look at this as a blessing or as anything in disguse. It is a reality and the blessing or curse will be whather people adapt or are able to adapt ways to reduce their dependence on it. A renaissance of urbanity would do the trick but there is a chicken-egg issue there. It's interesting to thing about.
August 14, 200717 yr Getting Real about Gas Prices The Brookings Institute Web Exclusive, October 10, 2005 Robert Puentes, Fellow, Metropolitan Policy Program Bruce Katz, Vice President and Director, Metropolitan Policy Program -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In a recent speech at the Department of Energy, President Bush outlined his strategy for reducing gasoline prices in the wake of the twin tragedies in the Gulf Coast. Bush clearly surprised many with his plea for conservation and request that Americans drive less—at least until the production pipeline is back online. This demand-side approach was a notable counterweight to his predictable supply-side call for tapping strategic oil reserves, suspending environmental regulations, waiving certain homeland security measures, and importing more oil from Europe. But what the President doesn't get when he asks Americans to curtail their "non-essential travel" is that a half-century of government policies have fueled and subsidized the growth of sprawling, haphazard metropolitan communities and have dramatically increased the amount of "essential travel" required for people to live their daily lives. Driving may not be the best option, but it is often the only option for Americans to get around. ... More at: http://www.brookings.edu/printme.wbs?page=/pagedefs/f49d2e545ea7ff3f381524a50a1415cb.xml -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Note: The views expressed in this piece are those of the authors and should not be attributed to the staff, officers or trustees of the Brookings Institution.
October 21, 200717 yr FUTURES NEAR $90 PER BARREL Rising crude-oil prices may threaten economy Sunday, October 21, 2007 4:10 AM By John Wilen and John Porretto ASSOCIATED PRESS NEW YORK -- Jim Ammons grumbles to himself every time he fills up his Ford Expedition, but he says gasoline prices would have to almost quadruple to $10 a gallon before he'd ditch his SUV. Still, paying $55 to fill his 20-gallon tank isn't easy for the information specialist. "This right here is catastrophic for a lot of families," Ammons, 54, said last week at a Chevron station in Houston that was charging $2.65 a gallon for regular unleaded. "A lot of them have to choose: Do I buy food, do I send my kids to school or do I fill up my tank." ... More at: http://dispatch.com/live/content/business/stories/2007/10/21/ap_energy_prices_1020.ART_ART_10-21-07_D1_LM87HTN.html?sid=101
October 22, 200717 yr This guy is complaining about $2.65? He oughta live in Europe where they pay at least three times as much. When I was in the UK in May, the price was 90 pence per litre. There's 3.785 litres per gallon. Thus one gallon of gasoline costs £3.4065. At McDonalds in the UK, you can get a burger, fries, drink and ice-cream for around £4.00. You can get a beer for about £3 a pint. And you can get a rack of lamb for £15-20. The relative prices of these things to each other aren't much different than what we pay for things in comparison to each other in this country. In other words, if you replaced the £ with a $ -- you probably wouldn't think about the prices. Only the cost of gasoline is higher -- but not that much higher. We've paid $3.40 per gallon recently in this country. I'm sure we'll be paying it again (and higher). The price of gas is not the biggest reason why people drive so much more in the U.S. vs Europe/UK. The biggest reason is it's less convenient to drive in Europe (parking is scarce and expensive, cities/towns were built for walking, most roads are twisting/hilly/narrow, etc.) and transit is more convenient than it is in the U.S. (local/regional/intercity buses are everywhere, regional and intercity trains are everywhere and bicycles/walking are encouraged by the extensive provision of bike lanes, racks etc.). "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 22, 200717 yr ^One could argue that were there more viable alternative transportation options on the table, the law of supply and demand would have kept the price of gasoline in check. that has not been the case in Europe as oft discussed here. They have great public transportation in most areas-even smaller towns put us to shame, and still have outrageous gas prices If it did so adversely affect impoverished people, I would openly wish for gasoline to be $10 a gallon to force us to develop better public transportation and consume locally.
October 27, 200717 yr Wait, how is this thread different from Peak Oil? Would One giant thread devoted to gas/fuel/oil dependence make sense?
October 27, 200717 yr This thread is more about how people are coping with fuel prices day-to-day, as opposed to the on-going global debate over Peak Oil. Though connected, I think it makes more sense to keep them separate.
October 28, 200717 yr Here comes $100 oil, and $3 gas With crude setting new highs every day, experts say there's no way motorists won't see a spike at the pump. By Steve Hargreaves, CNNMoney.com staff writer October 26 2007: 5:16 PM EDT NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- With oil prices setting records over $90 a barrel - and $100 looking ever more likely - experts say there's a good chance drivers will see $3 gasoline before the end of the year. "Three dollar gasoline in this market is unavoidable," said Stephen Schork, publisher of the industry newsletter the Schork Report. "At this rate, we're going to see $4 a gallon." Find this article at: http://money.cnn.com/2007/10/26/news/economy/gas_oil/index.htm?cnn=yes
November 7, 200717 yr http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071107/NEWS11/711070383/-1/NEWS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Article published November 7, 2007 Area gas prices spike as oil barrels to new high By JC REINDL BLADE STAFF WRITER After nudging past the pivotal $3 mark last week, prices at many Toledo-area gas stations settled on $3.199 a gallon yesterday as concerns over dwindling domestic supplies and rising worldwide demand drove the cost of oil to a record high. Both nationally and locally, prices are at their highest levels ever for November. A gallon of gas cost $3.024 on average yesterday afternoon, according to the AAA's Daily Fuel Gauge Report. More at lonk above:
November 7, 200717 yr On Tuesday, 87 octane was $3.10 at the Valero station in Berea at Front and 237
November 8, 200717 yr Fuel is effecting everything, but i think alot of places use it as an excuse to raise prices on ALL products. Eg. A dozen donuts at Busken Bakery cost $4.50 back in 2004 now it costs $8.75. Ridiculous!!!! A gallon of OJ costs $4.55 at biggs. Ridiculous!!!! What i see is that people will not put up buying these products at these high prices. So what will happening is more and more companies will start to lay people off. I think these companies want to get as much profit as they can before the bottom falls out.
November 8, 200717 yr The only suspect I can figure for why donut prices have climbed so high in such a short time is the transition of many farms from wheat to corn for the production of corn-based ethanol. At the risk of quoting Wikipedia: "Wheat flour is one of the most important foods in European and American culture, and is the defining ingredient in most types of breads and pastries." As for OJ, that's a tough question. My first reaction is that drought in primary orange-producing regions in recent years may be a big source of the blame. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 9, 200717 yr Gasoline Tops $5 A Gallon In Gorda Prices Rising Elsewhere In California KSBW-8, November 7, 2007 GORDA, Calif. -- Gasoline prices continue to rise day by day on the Central Coast and elsewhere in the state. Premium is being offered at $5 a gallon in Gorda. Crude oil prices hit an all-time high Wednesday, topping $98 a barrel. Analysts said with worldwide oil demand rising, it is still not clear just how high prices will go. Click headline for more:
November 9, 200717 yr OH i forgot to add that BW3 wings cost almost $8 for 12 wings now, when it was just about $4.50 just a few short years ago.
November 10, 200717 yr I noticed today that Donato's prices went up. Rooster's has gone up in the past year as well.
November 10, 200717 yr OH i forgot to add that BW3 wings cost almost $8 for 12 wings now, when it was just about $4.50 just a few short years ago. There's a confluence of things happening that's causing the price of wings to go up-- Increased transport costs due to higher oil prices as referenced earlier, the increase in the cost of corn-based animal feed due to the ethanol boom, and in Ohio the increase in the minimum wage.
November 10, 200717 yr please forgive me if the prior hundred posts have info on this-but, if there is an increasing market in ethenol, why are farm subsities to grown nothing still going stong? Politically, I am guessing with an election year dawning no one will want to change anything.
November 10, 200717 yr OH i forgot to add that BW3 wings cost almost $8 for 12 wings now, when it was just about $4.50 just a few short years ago. There's a confluence of things happening that's causing the price of wings to go up-- Increased transport costs due to higher oil prices as referenced earlier, the increase in the cost of corn-based animal feed due to the ethanol boom, and in Ohio the increase in the minimum wage. You know i wish that was true but i know LOTS of Chinese restaurants that has never went up or went up very little. And they use a mixture of all the poultries and beef products.
November 10, 200717 yr please forgive me if the prior hundred posts have info on this-but, if there is an increasing market in ethenol, why are farm subsities to grown nothing still going stong? Politically, I am guessing with an election year dawning no one will want to change anything. A chunk of those "grow nothing" subsidies are for the conservation reserve program which is designed to conserve topsoil. Since we're still losing topsoil at an alarming rate, it's one of the few farm subsidies that actually does anything good, IMHO.
November 10, 200717 yr You know i wish that was true but i know LOTS of Chinese restaurants that has never went up or went up very little. And they use a mixture of all the poultries and beef products. Good point. I didn't think of that, although a lot of Chinese restaurants are take-out or fast-food style eat in, so they don't have wait and buss staff. Of course, most Chinese restaurants are independently owned and since BW3 is a chain, there is a whole corporate structure to support.
November 11, 200717 yr Although China doesn't get a lot of oil from the Saudis now, 30% is still a big increase--especially since it appears that Ghawar has peaked. With news like this, $100+ per barrel can't be far away... China seeks 30 pct increase in Saudi oil imports * Reuters * Friday November 9 2007 BEIJING, Nov 9 (Reuters) - China has asked for a 30 percent increase in crude oil imports from Saudi Arabia for 2008 and also aims to raise imports from Iran, partly to feed two new refineries amid steady demand growth, trading sources said on Friday. Sinopec Corp, Asia's top refiner, wants to increase Saudi crude imports to 600,000 barrels per day for next year, up from this year's 460,000 bpd, a trading source close to the supply talks told Reuters... http://news.oneindia.in/2007/11/09/china-seeks-30-pct-increase-in-saudi-oil-imports-1194606324.html
November 11, 200717 yr Gee, can anyone else see the U.S. and China getting nasty over Saudi Arabia -- like a couple of testosteronic high school boys having eyes for the same female classmate? Problem is, she's about to age very quickly so the potential fight is desperate and pointless... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 11, 200717 yr ok, to go with the analogy thing...isnt saudia arabia our dirty little mistress?...once we have used her up we will kick her to the curb. with bombs of course.
November 11, 200717 yr ^yes, peabody99, just read Sleeping With the Devil: How America Sold Its Soul for Saudi Crude by Robert Baer (CIA agent who worked in the Mideast for 22 years and who George Clooney's character was loosely based upon in Syriana).
November 17, 200717 yr 5 Myths About $3 Gas By Rick Newman, U.S. News and Report, November 16, 2007 A couple of years ago, the prospect of gas costing $3 per gallon—indefinitely—loomed as an economic cherry bomb and a threat to the American way of life. Automakers considered $3 gas to be the threshold at which car owners would rebel and trade in their SUVs for scooters. And economists feared it would crimp consumer spending—the great engine spurring U.S. economic growth—as people traveled less, cut back on shopping, and generally stayed home and moped. It hasn't happened. Click headline above for more:
November 17, 200717 yr I'd love to see Myth #6: "People will reconsider their driving habits and drive smarter." I have a feeling they wouldn't be able to bust that one. I know I drive a hell of a lot different now than I did a year ago. I had an interesting conversation with a good ole boy gas station attendant this morning. We talked about how we drive. On the weekends, he doesn't anymore. And during the week, he meticulously plots his journeys to maximize necessary stops, never going out of his way for anything. Much the same for me. Plus, by leaving the brake pedal alone and driving by the tachometer rather than the speedometer (keeping it sub 3000rpm-2500rpm), I've managed to squeeze 25mpg out of a 1993 Volvo Wagon. Not too shabby considering the list combined mileage is 19mpg. On straight trips back to Detroit, I can get 30mpg. There and back with a week's worth of gas to spare. Pretty sweet. I'll say this: here in America's Test Market, I see a LOT fewer SUVs. And even where we see SUVs, I'm seeing a lot of Ford Escapes and Chevy Tahoe hybrids. If the gummint really wanted to help us cope, they'd give us a 100% tax credit for the purchase/lease of a hybrid. But alas, I think the reasons we're not dropping our old cars for new ones is 1) Cash/credit shortage, 2) Our old beasts have no resale value, 3) Assuming they're all paid off. In a hot minute I'd trade our rides for Priuses. And the monkeys that might fly out my butt would like a Lexus.
November 17, 200717 yr ^ I wouldn't trade in for a Prius, coming from a Volvo Wagon. You won't be getting great mileage out of that, getting somewhere in the 40s (not the 60s), and you'll be sacrificing a lot of storage space. It's ecological standpoint is also quite weak; yes, it does produce less particulates than a SUV, and gets a little better gas mileage than most cars, but its batteries is just one mess to contend with. You can buy a better vehicle with more storage with a 2007 Ford Escape Hybrid, 2007 Honda Civic, and a 2007 Toyota RAV4. I'd wait for the Chevrolet Volt (which is undergoing redesign right now) -- which is hinging on lighter batteries. Now if that one Austin developer can hurry up with their paper-thin batteries that combined would reduce the weight _significantly_, then we'll start seeing some 100 MPG vehicles. Personally, I've seen a change in my driving habits. A friend noted that I had a "lead foot," so I set out to change that. I tend to keep the RPMs down on my 2006 Toyota RAV4 below 2,500 in the city and in the suburbs, and brake a lot smoother. On the freeways, I still jam it up on the ramps up to 4,500 RPM, but keep a constant 70-75 MPH speed (2,700 RPM on average, before it starts hunting for gears). I've noticed that instead of the awful 18-19 MPG city driving I used to get, I'm averaging 21.7 MPG (based on 70 miles in the city on 1/4 tank so far).
November 17, 200717 yr ^ Keep it at 60 on the highway and your mileage will soar. According to fueleconomy.gov: While each vehicle reaches its optimal fuel economy at a different speed (or range of speeds), gas mileage usually decreases rapidly at speeds above 60 mph. As a rule of thumb, you can assume that each 5 mph you drive over 60 mph is like paying an additional $0.20 per gallon for gas. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/driveHabits.shtml I'm geeked about the Volt. Though I probably won't be able to afford one for another ten years or so, it's huge news for my old home of Hamtramck; the Volt will be built at the Detroit-Hamtramck Assembly plant: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070928/BUSINESS01/70928061/0/SPORTS18
November 17, 200717 yr I was talking with my girlfriend about this last nite and said I'd probably end up selling my current car at some point and buy a rechargable Neighborhood Elecric vehicle (NEV). Everything I do outside of walking range is within a mile or two of where I live anyhow. NEV's look interesting.
November 17, 200717 yr By the way, here is some info on NEV's: http://avt.inel.gov/nev.html I can see these coming into widespread use as gas prices go up, especially for those who don't drive a whole lot or live in compact areas.
November 19, 200717 yr Here's a dandy counter-point to The U.S. News "Consumers Are Impervious to Gas Prices" piece. To be fair, it's not the gas prices that are killing people, it's the housing market. Only one logical solution, Detroit: 2009 - Year of the Campervan. Auto sales could hit 15-year low By Ben Klayman Three top investors in the automotive industry painted a grim picture on Sunday for the sector in 2008, with one executive predicting a possible slump in U.S. sales to levels not seen in 15 years. The weakest forecast is for a possible 9.4 percent decline. But all three -- Jerry York, an adviser to billionaire investor Kirk Kerkorian; financier Wilbur Ross; and Thomas Stallkamp, a former Chrysler president -- were more pessimistic than many in the battered industry. More: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071119/ts_nm/sales_top_dc_2&printer=1;_ylt=Am7TFyCCiQbLSFq.8FtOfHtg.3QA
November 23, 200717 yr Most see gas hitting $4 in 2008 Central Ohioans changing energy habits Friday, November 23, 2007 3:09 AM By Darrel Rowland THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH Dorothy Runyan and her husband are driving to visit their family in Virginia only twice this year instead of the usual three times. Matt Ellinger is now carpooling to work and traded in his SUV for a vehicle that gets better gas mileage. Chris Fullen turns down her furnace during the day and switched to more energy-efficient light bulbs. More: http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2007/11/23/POLL23.ART_ART_11-23-07_A1_DT8IH4H.html?sid=101
December 19, 200717 yr ""Ten miles doesn't seem like much -- until you realize it's really 20 miles a day and 100 more miles a week," Ding-ding-ding!!! clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
January 2, 200817 yr As jet fuel prices rise, even the drink cart's weight matters In a high-cost era, airlines look beyond increased ticket charges to cope By Todd Wallack, Globe Staff | January 2, 2008 As jet fuel prices soar to record levels, airlines are doing more than just raising fares and passing along the costs to travelers. To conserve fuel, some are squeezing more passengers onto fewer planes. Others are getting creative and using less paint and lighter beverage carts. And some are scheduling more direct routes and adjusting their flying to take advantage of tail winds. More at: http://www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/2008/01/02/as_jet_fuel_prices_rise_even_the_drink_carts_weight_matters/
January 2, 200817 yr For railroads, energy accounts for 5-10 percent of operating costs. For Amtrak, it's closer to 5 percent because half of its trains are in the Northeast Corridor and thus are powered by electricity. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 25, 200817 yr "We're geared up for fast growth, but right now we have empty lots instead of new homes, and the price of gas has a lot to do with it." Further north, in the city of Isanti, where commuters must drive in stop-and-go traffic on Hwy. 65 before completing their 40-plus-mile commute to Minneapolis, "we have a lot of the same concerns about the price of gas," said Carla Vita, Isanti community development director. But in East Bethel gas prices have been a major concern of potential home owners for two years, one developer said. "Ten miles doesn't seem like much -- until you realize it's really 20 miles a day and 100 more miles a week," said Mundle. I think I teared up here. Not for the construction company building the cookie-cutter housing tracts. Not for the commuters who go at it by car. But because people actually desire that. Bring on the high gas prices I say! (Within reason...)
January 31, 200817 yr http://www.thecarconnection.com/blog/?p=750 Americans Anticipating $4 Gas The overwhelming majority of Americans anticipate prices at the pump will hit $4 a gallon by summer, while a sizable minority believe the number could go even higher this year, according to a newly-released study by the Civil Society Institute. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 14, 200817 yr ""Ten miles doesn't seem like much -- until you realize it's really 20 miles a day and 100 more miles a week," Ding-ding-ding!!! Or until they realize they could live close enough to walk/ride transit to work and save 70 miles per day, 350 miles per week, 18,200 miles per year. With a car that gets 25 mpg, that's $200 of gas per month, let alone insurance rates, repairs, possible tickets, etc. People really have no idea the true cost of owning a car (and driving it a lot).
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