Dont know if anyone saw these.  These will be on the Rocky River side of the river...across from where the proposed "Cliffs" were going to be, and slightly more south...across from the marina.

 

 

http://www.11river.com/

 

That is the worst website!

"The Eleven River website is currently under development."

"The Eleven River website is currently under development."

 

IMO, don't have one until it's ready.

Yeah...no kidding, they just put a huge sign across from Salmon Daves telling people to go to the website, and thats what they back it up with.

MTS, are we talking about your romantic life or the 11 River website? :evil:

Is it just me or do they look exactly like 27 Coltman in little Italy?

I like that area. Interested to see how they'll build road access to them.

They do look a little like the Coltman project, and I like the emphasis on windows in both.  These are pretty much all glass in the front.

These look like they are going to be really amazing

very good idea & designs for that scenic spot!

Quite nice IMO.  Has a certain Jetsons quality to it.

MTS, are we talking about your romantic life or the 11 River website? :evil:

 

I'm sure they'll be gorgeous on the inside.  The exterior... well, they kind of look like giant newspaper vending boxes sitting on the river's edge.  Not a good synthesis of architecture and surrounding environment.  IMHO.

anyone know who the architect or developer is?  i hoped the website would have at leaset had some info

I *believe* the architects are Dimit - same as 27 Coltman, and welcome to the forum!

The developers are actually Little Italy Preservation Partners, LLC.  Same as 27 Coltman.  Andrew Brickman is the Principal

They do look identical to 27 Coltman - obviously the developer has no imagination.  Who wants to live by a dirty river?

They do look identical to 27 Coltman - obviously the developer has no imagination.  Who wants to live by a dirty river?

 

That was constructive!  :roll:  :roll:

 

You may not like the project OR want to live there, however, there is a market for those who want to live on our rivers and lakefront.

I agree, I like the architecture.  Besides, what developer/architect doesn't have a certain style.  Look at City Architecture's design.  All similar.  Zaremba-they go with their Neo-Traditional Urban design.  Pulte, Ryan, etc.  They all have their own unquie style.  Now, if they all looked the same and no architect/developer was different from one another, then, I think we'd be bored with the design in NE Ohio. 

 

Lastly, 27 Coltman and 11 River are in two different cities. 

They do look identical to 27 Coltman - obviously the developer has no imagination.  Who wants to live by a dirty river?

 

And Westhampton at Crocker Park, or Courtyards at Severance constitutes "imaginative"? I guess I don't understand why someone affiliated with a real estate company would sign onto this forum and out of the starting gates - trashtalk another developers' concept.

Not very collegial, I'd say.

I see boat slips out front.....any word if they'll be some "one dock per unit" thing?

I've never seen the term "floorplates" before (instead of floorplans I assume).  Is this a commonly used term?

yes... floorplates (used more in commercial language) is basically the completely open space.  For example the floorplate is the same on most every floor of a commercial office tower.  Elevatior shaft / stairwells, restroom blocks, etc. in the middle with the open space around it.  The Floorplan is unique plan to that floor.  So in a multistory townhome... it is quite possible to have floorplates, that you can customize.

does anyone know anything about pricing.the floor plans look great and the elevations on the website of the nicer than anything ive seen in cleveland.do they have boat docks as well

The price of each unit is on the top of each of page of the pdf. They ain't cheap!

 

http://www.11river.com/floorplates.pdf

I'm not an open floor plan kind of boy, but I sort of like those. 

 

Reminds me of the houses in my area of LA.

does anyone know anything about pricing.the floor plans look great and the elevations on the website of the nicer than anything ive seen in cleveland.do they have boat docks as well

 

Check out the 27Coltman project in Little Italy. They look very similar. They also remind me of the 4-unit townhome project completed in Tremont about 2 years ago.

http://blog.cleveland.com/business/2009/02/developers_plan_11_luxury_town.html

 

Developers plan 11 luxury townhomes in Rocky River

Posted by Michelle Jarboe/Plain Dealer Reporter

February 09, 2009 15:58PM

 

 

Developers plan to build 11 riverfront townhomes in Rocky River.

Developer Andrew Brickman and his business partners have secured financing and hope to break ground soon on Eleven River, a set of luxury riverfront townhomes in Rocky River...

NOthing like buying a place for $700,000 dollars in this economy. Good God.

NOthing like buying a place for $700,000 dollars in this economy. Good God.

 

Why is that bad?  There are still people with good credit and the income to live in a house at that price point.  My question, is the house/development and area worth $700k?

^ on that note, the cleveland.com comments are priceless. </flog dead horse>

 

In this economic climate I'm sure they got financing because the banks see a pretty good chance of the units selling. This ain't 2007 los angeles is it ?

^ on that note, the cleveland.com comments are priceless. </flog dead horse>

 

In this economic climate I'm sure they got financing because the banks see a pretty good chance of the units selling. This ain't 2007 los angeles is it ?

 

Don't you have somewhere to be?  I need some lemon in my glass!  Look in the urbanbar thread, one of our members needs your help.

NOthing like buying a place for $700,000 dollars in this economy. Good God.

 

Why is that bad?  There are still people with good credit and the income to live in a house at that price point.  My question, is the house/development and area worth $700k?

 

That would be my question as well.

 

Considering they listed them at that price point just goes to show the value of waterfront real estate, regardless of what body of water it is on...so let's get that FEB project going again!

^Does Rocky River offer any incentives? 

 

Are these essentially identical to 27 Colt?  I read upthread that they are by the same designer.  On average they are about 2x as expensive.  Does that seem about right?  I mean they are on the water, Rocky River is a beautiful suburban community (if that's your thing).  I suppose it depends on a person's individual preferences.

I find the price to be pretty outrageous too, but not because it's $700K, but because of what you're getting.  Neighbors very close to you on either side, no yard, I mean, how nice can they really be?  Then again, I am not a "boater" and in about 100 other ways am obviously not the target for someone who would be living in these places, but I do find it a surprising price.  My guess is they will not be able to sell all the units at that price, maybe not even half.

I like this development, which I think I stated upthread.  When I made that statement I wasn't evaluating the cost.  I hate housing bubbles, so to that extent yes I'm a "hater."  I'm against others bidding up prices to insane levels, thereby manipulating a market they claim is some force of nature.

I like this project alot...but look at all the new developments going up.  Flats East, Coltman, River 11, Avenue, Tremont, Battery Park.  There is nothing under $300,000 in there and the prices can get ridiculous.  I love Cleveland and thats why I live here...but lets be realists...im not buying the entire 30th floor of the trump tower in NYC...these are modest condos/townhomes in a city known for its low cost of living.  We want to attract yup's...right?  Many here would argue this, because we love the history of this city, but to them...they may see these new developments as the best housing options...so when 20 somethings who have nice jobs with the ERsnt and Youngs, the Clinic, the PWC's, or maybe sales look for a nice place to live with their sub six figure salaries, they immediately have to throw these places out the window.  I knwo you will argue that these places are afforable for the rich...but where do the rich live now?  Westlake? C-Heights? Shaker? Gates Mills?  I dont think they are going to get the jack they want for their house if they even want to sell...I think  you are assuming that these places are going to get bought by non-Clevelanders...but it seems as of now it mostly just relocating clevelanders. 

 

BTW-just about 15 miles west of Rocky River, you can get a zaremba home (more space) on the black river for about 150,000

You can't touch anything comparable  (especially new construction) worth mentioning in any metro the size of Cleveland or larger for less than $300K. Clevelanders are absurdly spoiled to the affordable real estate prices. Why is it that 20somethings in Cleveland should be entitled to buying new construction when their 30-40something peers had to first rent (possibly with roomates), then rent alone, save up and THEN buy a home/condo? I don't get where this is coming from at all.

I like this project alot...but look at all the new developments going up.  Flats East, Coltman, River 11, Avenue, Tremont, Battery Park.  There is nothing under $300,000 in there and the prices can get ridiculous.  I love Cleveland and thats why I live here...but lets be realists...im not buying the entire 30th floor of the trump tower in NYC...these are modest condos/townhomes in a city known for its low cost of living.  We want to attract yup's...right?  Many here would argue this, because we love the history of this city, but to them...they may see these new developments as the best housing options...so when 20 somethings who have nice jobs with the ERsnt and Youngs, the Clinic, the PWC's, or maybe sales look for a nice place to live with their sub six figure salaries, they immediately have to throw these places out the window.  I knwo you will argue that these places are afforable for the rich...but where do the rich live now?  Westlake? C-Heights? Shaker? Gates Mills?  I dont think they are going to get the jack they want for their house if they even want to sell...I think  you are assuming that these places are going to get bought by non-Clevelanders...but it seems as of now it mostly just relocating clevelanders. 

 

BTW-just about 15 miles west of Rocky River, you can get a zaremba home (more space) on the black river for about 150,000

 

I agree with most of that.  All these "new" open floor plan smoor plan places look the same! ick!

 

Buy an old school prewar type building with modern amenities!

 

Having said that, with tax abatements and purchase incentives these types of homes are attractive to young new home buyers.

 

We don't have a lot of sexy urban homes in Cleveland.  We're playing catchup to Philly, DC, CHI, ATL, MIA, FLL, etc.

If there were not a market for this construction in RR, Tremont, or Little Italy, then these would not be built.  I, too, cannot afford these places, and it annoys me.  However, I do not expect a developer to build with the intention of attracting someone who is in their first year out of law school and saddled with about $70k in debt. 

MayDay- I completely agree with that, but let me ask you, what percentage of 30-40 somethings are relocating into these places?  I mean Rocky River is one thing, but all the Cleveland proper units are for the empty nesters (who still seem skeptical)..or the young workers.  As you can see on Cleveland.com, most of suburbia thinks living in the city of cleveland is the most God awful thing because they think children cant be raised in Cleveland (BS).  I would have no problem if these units filled up instantly with people (any generation)...but if they are going to remain vacant-then mind as well attract the younger workers. I would be the first to open the door for the 30-40 somethings to occupy these places for those prices, and yes I will wait my turn...but as the Avenue and Battery Park indicates there is still room to target other age groups.

^I would hesitate from using cleveland.com as a source.  The cite is full of cantankerous fools who rarely have well-reasoned, insightful arguments and who I do not think speak for the majority of Clevelanders. 

Next message that has anything to do with anything OTHER than 11 River will get the perp three days off.

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/architecture/2009/02/cleveland_architect_scott_dimi.html

 

Cleveland architect Scott Dimit raises his profile with two new residential projects

Posted by Steven Litt / Plain Dealer Architecture Critic February 24, 2009 09:35AM

 

The recession has dampened residential real estate activity in Cleveland dramatically. But there are signs of life amid the gloom, including two new small- and medium-sized projects in Rocky River and Cleveland's Little Italy neighborhood, led by developer Andrew Brickman.

 

Brickman said he has financing for both projects, from Parkview Federal Savings Bank and from Key Bank, respectively, and plans to start construction this year. That alone would be newsworthy in a climate that has seen large developments in Cleveland languish for lack of construction money...

On the one hand, I like this guy's work even though it isn't my style.  On the other hand, concrete slabs?  Trespa?  www.trespa.com/na.  At it's best, it looks like an upgraded version of the wood paneling one would find in a mobile home.  At worst it looks like cheap plastic.  When I say someone should throw a brick through his window, I mean that 100% figuratively.

Drove past this today and there is ALOT of excavation going on. Thought this became a victim of the economy like the development proposed on the otherside of the river, but apparently its taking shape.

On the one hand, I like this guy's work even though it isn't my style. On the other hand, concrete slabs? Trespa? www.trespa.com/na. At it's best, it looks like an upgraded version of the wood paneling one would find in a mobile home. At worst it looks like cheap plastic. When I say someone should throw a brick through his window, I mean that 100% figuratively.

 

That material will last for a lot longer than most other building materials, and to some it looks better.  What would you rather see?  Vinyl siding like they are putting on the CSU dorms?

I'm fairly certain that there is no vinyl siding on the CSU dorms.