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My brother bought a house in DS in 95.  It was a surprising great neighborhood, and has only gotten better. 

There are lots of recent construction in the neighborhood

Oh, crumbumsquare... I haven't been to XYZ yet, so I can't speak to how horrible it is, but every time I walk past in the evening, it's full up, so it can't be all that bad!  I've been to Roseangel once and it was delicious.  Good service, good food, even ran into some friends.  That's my kind of experience, but I'm sure they've had some bumps along the way (who hasn't?).

 

I am SUPER EXCITED about Sweet Moses.  My 3-year-old daughter has been talking about it all week (probably because I won't shut up about it and I walked her by it about 100 times!).  We're going to go on Saturday afternoon.

 

RE: Parking - there's PLENTY!  DSCDO owns three lots within a two block radius.  The least known one (on Detroit, between 64th and 61st) is rarely anywhere near capacity, with the exception of big event nights, which aren't all that often.  It's probably perceived as a little more risky because it's in between the two main intersections (65th and 58th), where most of the activity is, but it's not like it's in a no-man's land.  CPT also has its own, newly polished lot in front of Parish Hall. 

 

Ultimately, I know DSCDO wants to build structured parking (with retail on 65th, I believe) in the lot behind the GSA.  Unfortunately, structured parking is not remotely cheap to build and they'll never get their money back simply by charging visitors to park.  It would have to be subsidized/earmarked beyond belief to make it affordable for them to build and own and that just isn't happening today (Anyone seen the federal Transportation Bill lately?).  Also, would you pay to park in a garage in Gordon Square?  I wouldn't.  Then again, I can walk there, which is one of the many reasons why I bought a house in the neighborhood!  (BelievelandD1, feel free to PM me).

 

 

^I was thinking the same thing about XYZ. Every time I drive by that place it is packed, I am not sure how you could consider it a disappointment.

A disappointment in that I wanted to have another nice bar to go to in the neighborhood, but instead I got graduate school for the Treehouse.

Re:XYZ --- not every place can be "hipsters only" . A little classic rock and some acid washed denim does not make it a failure. Food has been good, service *very* friendly and good.

 

Re: Moving to DS --- Bought my place in Casa Belvedere (69th and Fr. Caruso) in 1998 and am quite happy about the decision long term.  I work East, but you can certainly bike downtown. I often take an easy ride to the WSM in nice weather.  Tremont a bit further, but doable.

Oh I don't think it's a failure.  I'm glad they're doing well.  It's just disappointing to me because I thought I would have a nice "regular" bar to go to around the corner instead of a W.6th/weekend warrior type bar.  To each his own however, and I must say I'm very happy with our decision to buy in the DS.  I also think Cleveland has far too few "hipster bars".  Outside of the Happy Dog there aren't really any in DS and Ohio City.

Folks, keep this thread to development news and discussion.  This is not the thread for restaurant news or relocation assistance.  Thanks.

^Or, don't knock down housing.  Continue adding more housing in battery park, and strengthen the transit options in the neighborhood. Build some density in the city. 

 

I think it's relatively easy to get people to use public transportation for work or a major entertainment venue but much more difficult for dinner at a restaurant in a small neighborhood, even for people who live in urban environments.

 

As much as I love taking public transportation, it becomes very hard to justify using transit to go 2 or 3 miles to have dinner with friends in Tremont, Lakewood, Ohio City, or the Detroit Shoreway. A couple can get in their car and drive 5 minutes from Tremont to have dinner at Luxe, or spend $9 for RTA, take two transit lines, and spend 27 minutes to get there. The Detroit Shoreway is well served by frequent transit lines, however the nature of the destination makes using public transportation inconvenient/costly/time consuming. People generally visit the neighborhood for a dinner or a movie/play as a couple or group and an outing may be just 3 hours. At 51 cents per mile to drive, it's cheaper to drive a distance of 4.5 miles one way than use RTA if driving alone, tack on 4.5 miles for each person in the vehicle. Therefore a group of 4 could live 18 miles away and still find using personal transit cheaper than taking public transit.

 

It really is a paradox. Gordon Square could definitely use more parking, but yet has ample public transit options. As someone who lives 2 miles away and frequents the district with my friend, there's no way we'd ever spend $9 bucks, 20+ minutes on RTA for such a short distance each time we went out. Now if only RTA had some sort of 50 cent fares if you were only going a mile or two ... now that would be nice!

^Or, don't knock down housing.  Continue adding more housing in battery park, and strengthen the transit options in the neighborhood. Build some density in the city. 

 

I think it's relatively easy to get people to use public transportation for work or a major entertainment venue but much more difficult for dinner at a restaurant in a small neighborhood, even for people who live in urban environments.

 

As much as I love taking public transportation, it becomes very hard to justify using transit to go 2 or 3 miles to have dinner with friends in Tremont, Lakewood, Ohio City, or the Detroit Shoreway. A couple can get in their car and drive 5 minutes from Tremont to have dinner at Luxe, or spend $9 for RTA, take two transit lines, and spend 27 minutes to get there. The Detroit Shoreway is well served by frequent transit lines, however the nature of the destination makes using public transportation inconvenient/costly/time consuming. People generally visit the neighborhood for a dinner or a movie/play as a couple or group and an outing may be just 3 hours. At 51 cents per mile to drive, it's cheaper to drive a distance of 4.5 miles one way than use RTA if driving alone, tack on 4.5 miles for each person in the vehicle. Therefore a group of 4 could live 18 miles away and still find using personal transit cheaper than taking public transit.

 

It really is a paradox. Gordon Square could definitely use more parking, but yet has ample public transit options. As someone who lives 2 miles away and frequents the district with my friend, there's no way we'd ever spend $9 bucks, 20+ minutes on RTA for such a short distance each time we went out. Now if only RTA had some sort of 50 cent fares if you were only going a mile or two ... now that would be nice!

 

The advantage is more for people that already use transit for work/etc. and have a monthly cost.  Then it's free for them to get there (already a sunk cost).  But your point is still very valid.

We need better taxi service.

desperately.

What you can't do is rely on calling into central dispatch to get a cab, having the bartender call you one, or walking outside and raising your arm.

 

What you need to do is find a reliable cab driver and get his/her cell phone number.  Every cab you get into, ask the guy for his card/cell phone number.  You will eventually, if not right away, find a good one.

 

I have a guy, I tip him well.  I never have a problem.  St Patty's day?  New Year's eve?  Any event where you walk outside to 100 people trying to hail a cab...no problem.  If he isn't working his brother is, or he will find somebody for me.

 

If you are reasonable, flexible, and tip well....you wont have a problem once you have a number.  I live in Detroit-Shoreway,  going to downtown or tremont is somewhere in the area of 10 bux....the driver gets 15.

 

You can make a plan when you can actually talk to the guy who will be picking you up....instead of "we will get someone there as soon as we can"  and/or having somebody else jump in your cab.

 

My typical interaction

 

"are you working sat?"

 

"yes"

 

"Going to playhouse square, need picked up at 7"

 

"Very good, just text/call me Sat to confirm"

 

 

 

"Okay ready to be picked up"

 

"I am in Lakewood, I can be there in 25 minutes, is that good or do you want me to see if somebody can come sooner?"

 

"No that is good"

 

"Okay Green van cab number is 814"

 

nice nice....

 

 

 

 

 

Gee I clicked on this thread to to read about the new 2,000 unit housing development planned for the Gordon Arts District.  Lately all threads have gone nutsy.  I blaming it on lack of news.  We need news.

^ I would say that a new 2,000 unit housing development would qualify as news  :-o. What are development are you speaking of exactly? 

Sweet Moses looks super kewl and tasty...

 

Stopped in on my way to the bus to go downtown for the Gladiators game on Sat.  It was too busy for my wife and I to get anything in the limited time we had.  Glad to see something like that open (apparently successfully)  In the DS.

 

hey Htsguy where exactly in the Gordon Art district do you think there is space for 2,000 housing units?

 

Perhaps if they took the Westinghouse building and all the other industrial buildings between 58th and 65th North of Breakwater...or even Herman.

 

But some, if not most, of that is operational and they are less than 1/2 built out in battery park...

 

 

I believe Htsguy is  talking about the crushing disappointment of seeing this thread bumped only to discover that it's a conversation about taxi service.

I think he was joking

I believe Htsguy is  talking about the crushing disappointment of seeing this thread bumped only to discover that it's a conversation about taxi service.

 

Thus why we mods and admins every now and then have to say "Back on Topic, folks!"

 

Back on Topic, folks!

Here is something somewhat on topic.

 

Does anything go on in the Westinghouse building?  Does anyone know anything about it?  at the end of W. 58th st.

 

to me that place would be outstanding for some loft conversions.  I walked along the train tracks from Whiskey island up to Father Caruso past it....they have a rail spur running into the building, but I haven't ever really seen any activity in that building.  I know that there is industrial activity going on in that whole "complex"  but also see for sale/lease signs on some of the buildings. 

 

 

 

 

 

^ The biggest problem I see with a loft conversion for the Westinghouse building are the railroad tracks that run almost underneath the building.  I think those would shake the crap out of it.  Otherwise, it is a superb location with an amazing view of the city and lake.

I live about the same distance as that building from those very same tracks.  I would have to physically measure is but is less than 100 feet.  My front door to the nearest Rail is about as wide as Clifton Blvd.  And all the good folks in Lakewood, Rocky River, Bay Village  that have about the same distance between them and the tracks running through their back yards.

 

Some trains you can feel the vibrations....but not all of them.

 

I use the Amtrack running through around 5:30 am to help time getting out the door by 6 for work.

 

And that building has been there a pretty long time without being shaken down.

Hey ksonic99, I'm glad to hear that Amtrak train service is so reliable these days you use it as an alarm clock! I was so impressed that I linked your message here:

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,2068.msg553380.html#msg553380

 

OK, back "on track"!

^ The biggest problem I see with a loft conversion for the Westinghouse building are the railroad tracks that run almost underneath the building.  I think those would shake the crap out of it.  Otherwise, it is a superb location with an amazing view of the city and lake.

 

It's really not an issue.  I've been inside and you notice it, but not to the extent that it would be a deal breaker.  For comparison, have a drink at the Battery Park wine bar the next time a train rolls past.  Those old buildings have masonry walls over 14" thick.  And right beside the wine bar on 76th is the old 4 story machine shop.  Plans are underway to redevelop that for residential and the train is even closer to that building.  There is a large driveway between the tracks & the Westinghouse building, which would make an amazing residential conversion for a number of different reasons.

KJP not quite an alarm clock, I am up and out of bed.  I just know I need to be leaving the bedroom and heading downstairs and not looking for my socks when it rolls by.  Plus if I woke up every time a train went by I would be getting less sleep than a single mother with a colicky newborn

 

I don't have a "Start" time at work, I just like to get in early and leave early, So I like to be in Beachwood no later than 6:30 so I can leave by 3:30  anything later starts adding minutes to my commute.

Yeah, but my version of your story is more entertaining. :-D

Every time I drive past the Westinghouse building I have vivid images of an awesome loft conversion neighborhood...the greenspace in front of it a very hip multi-tiered park...if only...sigh.

So is it being used?  how extensively?  who owns it?  was it an asbestos/PCB factory?

Nice feature on Gordon Square Arts District & Detroit Shoreway in their "On Location" feature.  They said it's the hottest area of the city.

 

http://www.wkyc.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=186119

Nice piece, thanks for posting it.

 

And I was surprised to learn that Chris Tye lives in Tremont

Nice feature on Gordon Square Arts District & Detroit Shoreway in their "On Location" feature.  They said it's the hottest area of the city.

 

 

http://www.wkyc.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=186119

 

 

Makes me very proud of the CLE.

 

I'll be emailing this around, thanks for posting!!

Another video news segment on the Detroit Shoreway area last night, focus on housing options, also a little blurb at the end about the tunnel from 76th to Edgewater Beach

 

http://www.wkyc.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=186458

Thanks. Wait so did they do a story about it everyday this week?

Some sort of bicycle shop looks to have opened up at the old laundramat building on 76th & Lake.  Some type of a hipster, single-speed place if you're into that sort of thing...

 

Anyone know what ever happened to the renovation of the building at 74th & Detroit, the "Cheerios" building?  It was supposed to house a cleaners or a flower shop or something as I recall?  That was over a year ago, but it still looks the same.

NEORSD is out this morning staking the sewer line along the RR tracks from W70th to just past 73rd. Hope its the first step in the process of "move the sewer - did the tunnel- run W73rd to the Shoreway"  :)

Some sort of bicycle shop looks to have opened up at the old laundramat building on 76th & Lake.  Some type of a hipster, single-speed place if you're into that sort of thing...

 

Anyone know what ever happened to the renovation of the building at 74th & Detroit, the "Cheerios" building?  It was supposed to house a cleaners or a flower shop or something as I recall?  That was over a year ago, but it still looks the same.

 

On the former, it's called Blazing Saddle Cycle and I'm looking forward to checking it out. 

 

On the latter, I have no good information, but I did see some guys taking the boards off the windows over the weekend.  They looked legit, so I didn't call the cops...

^^ I believe the Cheerios building has apartments planned for the second floor and retail for the first.

Big event this weekend for Gordon Square/Detroit Shoreway.  Lots of happenings, trolley running back & forth between here & UC for "Parade the Circle".

 

Click here to see the map of events & schedule of times.  Fingers crossed for good weather.

 

http://discover.gordonsquare.org/

Big event this weekend for Gordon Square/Detroit Shoreway.  Lots of happenings, FREE trolley running back & forth between here & UC for "Parade the Circle".

 

Click here to see the map of events & schedule of times.  Fingers crossed for good weather.

 

http://discover.gordonsquare.org/

fify! :)

 

Very nice crowds on Saturday night.  Property walking tours on Saturday afternoon, just happened to be working on our building, so I got to tell some family history.  Drinks at Roseangel and dinner at Stone Mad, long line at 11:30pm waiting for dessert at Sweet Moses!

Very nice crowds on Saturday night.  Property walking tours on Saturday afternoon, just happened to be working on our building, so I got to tell some family history.  Drinks at Roseangel and dinner at Stone Mad, long line at 11:30pm waiting for dessert at Sweet Moses!

 

I think Saturday might have been the best day the neighborhood has seen in many many years. 

 

And to think there is still lots of opportunity for improvement!

RE: DShoreway

 

I was over there twice on Saturday.  We went for a couple hours in the early afternoon and then I went back around dinner to grab some food off one of the trucks.  I live right around the corner in Edgewater and am very happy with the development over there.

 

 

I don't think it's been mentioned yet, but Detroit Shoreway/Gordon Square recently created their own Business Improvement District.  I don't have the specifics on this, but I know it's funded by a special assessment that the businesses along Detroit have agreed to pay into, and in return get increased security, maintenance, and improvements.  Sort of a smaller version of Downtown Cleveland Alliance.  I think it says a lot about the strength of the area that businesses are willing to do this and I think it's really going to give them a leg up in the future.

Surprisingly it wasn't posted here.....

 

Gordon Square District gets city funds for security, maintenance, marketing

Posted: 06/02/2011

By: Ellen Miller, newsnet5.com

 

CLEVELAND - The Gordon Square Arts district will be the first neighborhood to benefit from the Cleveland neighborhood special improvement district or SID services.

 

This particular district runs along Detroit Avenue between West 58th and West 73rd streets. Funding will provide maintenance, snow removal, landscaping, security services and marketing along the corridor.

 

“The development of the SID is the next step in further strengthening the Gordon Square District as a regional destination for arts and entertainment,” SID Chairman Robert Maschke said.

 

Property owners in the Gordon Square Arts district petitioned the Cleveland City Council for formation of the special improvement district back in March 2010.

 

READ MORE AT:

http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_news/cleveland_metro/gordon-square-district-gets-city-funds-for-security-maintenance-marketing

Yeah its been in the works for a while.  Strange way to phrase it though, "Gordon Square District gets city funds for security, maintenance, marketing".  Its not like the city is giving them funding for this.  They are assessing themselves for this funding... 

 

The editor didn't read the article before writing the headline. Sadly, this happens all the time.

Please note this thread is for the discussion of projects and construction. Discussion of fireworks displays in this and other Cleveland neighborhoods was moved here.....

 

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,26042.0.html

I've heard W.65th and Lorain is also getting some more art as well:

 

ecovillage-area recreation center to capture, reuse rainwater onsite

Thursday, July 14, 2011

 

When Zone Recreation Center's 22 acres of green space reopen next year following a $2.5 million "green" facelift, the rainwater that falls there will be reused on site, rather than being funneled into sewers to pollute our lake, rivers and streams.

 

"We're using it to rehydrate the park," explains Ward 15 Councilman Matt Zone, who allocated funding for the park's revitalization.

 

The redesigned park's water conservation features will include permeable pavers that allow rainwater to filter into the ground (unlike most parking lots or hard surfaces, which send water cascading into the nearest sewer). "Bioswales" will also capture water and direct it into rain gardens, which will be seeded with native plants that don't require a lot of mowing, chemicals or maintenance.

 

http://www.freshwatercleveland.com/devnews/zonerecreationcentergoesgreen071411.aspx

Historic detroit-shoreway building to undergo $3m renovation

Thursday, September 29, 2011

 

The 22-unit Sylvia apartment building has been an eyesore ever since it became vacant two years ago when the building's owner died unexpectedly. With nobody to care for the property, Detroit Shoreway neighbors watched as the vacant building, which is nestled mid-block on Franklin Boulevard, fell into disrepair.

 

Beginning this fall, however, nearby homeowners should have something to celebrate: The Sylvia is slated to receive a $3 million makeover that will preserve this historic structure while adding new neighbors to this well-kept block.

 

The Sylvia, which features a brick facade, hardwood floors, built-in kitchen display cases, and Tudor archways and doorways, will be trimmed to an 18-unit, mixed income building following a complete renovation by the Detroit Shoreway Community Development Organization (DSCDO).

 

http://www.freshwatercleveland.com/devnews/historicsylviarenovation092911.aspx

^^^^

 

Why does it have to be mixed income? This area, and Cleveland in general, needs more upper income people and Detroit-Shoreway has the amenities to attract those type of people. It would be one thing if the area was gentrified to the point where it was out of reach to lower income people, but the fact is the area still has tons of housing that is cheap.