This is from the Cuyahoge planning commission weblog:

 

"The National Endowment for the Arts awarded a $50,000 Our Town grant to the Detroit Shoreway Community Development Organization. The funds will be used to to design an affordable artist live/work space in the Templin Bradley Building on Detroit Avenue."

^it's beside it, on Detroit.  Not sure if it's going to be subsidized or what, but yes the goal is live/work type lofts.  While I'm excited to see these projects moving forward, some of them, like this one at 5700 Detroit, are a real stretch of the intent of the historic tax credit.

 

How so?

"The Templin-Bradley Building at 5700 Detroit Ave. in Cleveland"

 

Is this the one behind Latitude?  I thought it was going to be some sort of subsidized Artists live/work apartments?

 

No Templin place is different; it's visible right along the shoreway, just west of Battery park.

 

Huh?  Battery Park is between 76th and 74th.  If you go West of Battery park the numbers go up, not down.

 

This is on Detroit right by W 57th.

 

 

^it's beside it, on Detroit.  Not sure if it's going to be subsidized or what, but yes the goal is live/work type lofts.  While I'm excited to see these projects moving forward, some of them, like this one at 5700 Detroit, are a real stretch of the intent of the historic tax credit.

 

How so?

 

By definition, the historic tax credits are in place for "historically significant" structures or those in historic districts.  I know the developers doing the building at 1200 W. 76th had to go out on a limb to get that designated a historic structure, pointing out the fact that some significant labor contract was signed there or something.  Regardless, the building on 76th is in a great location, has beautiful brick work and will make an excellent conversion.  Not sure what was done to justify the building at 5700 Detroit as historic, but it sure isn't architecturally significant, nor is it in any historic district. 

 

That area of Detroit is a hodge podge of low rise manufacturing, residential, etc.  It's not even built up to the street.  Not that it matters but I'd much rather see a traditional mixed use development built on that site, up to the street, with storefront on first floor, and apartments above.

Eight townhouses are proposed by Case Development LLC (http://townhomescleveland.com) on lots in the Bridge Avenue-West 58th Street area. See Board of Zoning Appeals' Jan 22 agenda....

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2013/crr01-22-2013.pdf

That's really confusing. That's the Waverly Station townhome project???? Two of those are already sold. Shouldn't they have done this way earlier!!??

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2013/01042013/index.php

 

west 73rd street connection up for design review

I'm not great with the schematics.  Does image #6 show a connection of W.73rd to Fr. Caruso East bound? (it looks like it is almost in parallel with the northerly turn of what I presume is the sewer)  Or am I misreading that?

That's really confusing. That's the Waverly Station townhome project???? Two of those are already sold. Shouldn't they have done this way earlier!!??

 

Oh yeah! So it is!!

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2013/01042013/index.php

 

west 73rd street connection up for design review

 

FYI, much of the West 73rd/West Shoreway discussion is here:

 

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,3301.msg656839.html#msg656839

That's really confusing. That's the Waverly Station townhome project???? Two of those are already sold. Shouldn't they have done this way earlier!!??

 

It appears that it would be the second phase.

Right, but it makes no sense to me that they would have already sold properties that haven't been approved yet.

Right, but it makes no sense to me that they would have already sold properties that haven't been approved yet.

 

They haven't.  This is the second phase.  The sold units were phase 1.  This is phase 2.

^They have already sold a couple of units for phase II....

 

Peep this:

 

http://www.waverlystationtownhomes.com/available-now.shtml

That's what I was saying lol, but I'm done with it haha.

Cheers!

 

long-in-the-works toast wine bar set to finally open in gordon square

Thursday, January 10, 2013

 

 

Small plates. Classic cocktails. A wine list curated by a well-traveled owner with a zest for local food. Shared tables made from old flour bins and lots of cozy nooks for hanging out with friends or snuggling up to a date. A menu filled with items like gnudi and braised lamb.

 

 

http://www.freshwatercleveland.com/devnews/toastwinebar011013.aspx

This will be a great addition to our hood.  The fact that she has been all over the world gives her some respect in terms of what she will serve.  Now, can it and YOLO co-exist.  I am hopeful. I think YOLO and Toast will cater to different crowds.  In my opinion Toast will be a place you go without planning on going there, a true city establishment.  But YOLO will continue to be a destination for those who plan on going there, many from the suburbs. 

Unbelievable.  That place has been sitting for 6 years.  I looked in the window a year & half ago and figured the owner had given up since they ran into troubles getting the liquor license.  Hats off to the owner for staying the course, I hope it pays off for them.

Good news but not for booze!

 

$13!!!! 

It's all relative.  Velvet Tango Room is now charging $18 per drink.

10-13 is standard anymore...Hell, I paid that for a drink at Cheesecake Factory!

It's all relative.  Velvet Tango Room is now charging $18 per drink.

 

Thank goodness I quit drinking 10 years ago as of July! I quit smoking five years ago this month, and prices of cigarettes have gone up a lot since then too.

 

Now only if we could raise the price of bullets to $1,000 each, maybe there'd be fewer shootings.

^ not quite the same.  You can still get a shot of rotgut and coke for a lot less than $18.  VTR's cocktails are like a fine Cuban cigar, not a sign of inflation.

^ not quite the same.  You can still get a shot of rotgut and coke for a lot less than $18.  VTR's cocktails are like a fine Cuban cigar, not a sign of inflation.

 

Can't you let me feel good about my decision!?!  :whip:

Velvet Tango room has always been way high.  That's to keep the clientele exclusive as much as adding cachet. 

 

I have not drank at bars much for years.  I can get better rye than they put in most of those mixed drinks for $20 - 750.  There is fantastic bourbon available for $24 - $28 as well and those two liquors are all the rage now.

 

Point is a pour used to be about 1/5 what the bottle cost.  This artisanal cocktail mixology nonsense is for the riches.  If I'm spending $18 for a drink in a bar it better be 12+ year old Scotch.

Big difference in taste and quality between fresh made mixers, juices, and garnishes and the Monin flavor syrups that comprise most places' cocktails.  They quality of the base liquor still matters, but that isn't what you're paying for primarily.

I feel as if this place will be worth the $13 per drink.  There is a price point for everyone.  This lady has been all over the world, im expecting some neat drinks that you cannot easily access throughout the city..probably with quality booze too.

from yesterday's Plain Dealer/cleveland.com, recap of neighborhood meeting Thursday night

 

Detroit-Shoreway neighborhood fears big project's impact

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/02/detroit-shoreway_neighborhood.html

 

"Residents pressed for the Thursday night meeting at Our Lady of Mt. Carmel Parish, at West 69th Street and Detroit Avenue. They put Councilman Matt Zone and Jeff Ramsey, head of the Detroit Shoreway Community Development Organization, on the spot."

 

I was at this meeting.  What the councilman expected to be a routine update on some big ticket projects turned into a bit of a gripe fest about traffic, safety, budget & schedule over runs, and general lack of community input.  Tom Breckenridge said there was 80 people at the meeting but I counted more like 120.

 

I don't understand the concerns.  Being able to drive down West 73rd Street to Edgewater Park seems to outweigh any negatives in my mind.

I don't understand the concerns.  Being able to drive down West 73rd Street to Edgewater Park seems to outweigh any negatives in my mind.

 

That's because you don't live on 73rd.  There's currently on-street parking and the street itself is not wide enough as it is for cars to pass.  Add in the fact that the existing street up by Detroit is a mess of broken, heaved pavement, and several of the new units in Battery Park have garages that dump right out on to 73rd, with essentially no driveway to look for oncoming traffic.  These are real concerns which haven't been addressed yet with what's been presented so far.

It seems like an expensive project to cut a small amout of people's drive to the park down by only a couple minutes. Seems like a waste. Local residents can already bike and walk the the neighborhood. This will create a lot of traffic too and just seems like it will only hurt the neighborhood

By the time we're through, people are going to wish we'd never messed with these roads in the first place.  Every attempt to "calm" traffic will only cause it to spray wildly in all directions, just like trying to "calm" a water hose by squeezing it.

I think most residents would be satisfied by seeing 73rd resurfaced with new sidewalks and some brick cross walks at Herman, Battery Park Blvd & Frascati, to give the impression that you're on a residential side street, not a freeway on/off ramp

It seems like an expensive project to cut a small amout of people's drive to the park down by only a couple minutes. Seems like a waste. Local residents can already bike and walk the the neighborhood. This will create a lot of traffic too and just seems like it will only hurt the neighborhood

 

That's my initial reaction too.  If you're getting into your car to drive to the park anyway, reducing the driving distance by a mile doesn't really add all that much benefit. Maybe not enough to offset the risk of thru traffic, anyway.  If I lived north of Detroit, I think I'd prefer to see a much smaller amount of money used to improve the pedestrian/bike access and environment, maybe by greatly widening one or both of the existing pedestrian routes to make them feel less like tubes or tunnels. Or some super awesome big iconic pedestrian bridge. 

^ Exactly.  Why are we promoting driving to the beach/park?  WE have two really serviceable pedestrian and bike tunnels that encourage people to get outside and exercise to get the park.  SO now we are spending $35 mill to coup them up in a car to get down there.  Agree that streetscape from 58th to lake road north of detroit could all be redone well within that budget.  Day to day needs of the residents.

^ Exactly.  Why are we promoting driving to the beach/park?  WE have two really serviceable pedestrian and bike tunnels that encourage people to get outside and exercise to get the park.  SO now we are spending $35 mill to coup them up in a car to get down there.  Agree that streetscape from 58th to lake road north of detroit could all be redone well within that budget.  Day to day needs of the residents.

 

This isn't a one way road, however. Won't the the interchange give consumers easier access to Gordon Square?

 

Anyhow, the scaled down, freeway-centric version of this project is fairly disappointing to most everyone in some way.

 

 

^ Exactly.  Why are we promoting driving to the beach/park?  WE have two really serviceable pedestrian and bike tunnels that encourage people to get outside and exercise to get the park.  SO now we are spending $35 mill to coup them up in a car to get down there.  Agree that streetscape from 58th to lake road north of detroit could all be redone well within that budget.  Day to day needs of the residents.

 

This isn't a one way road, however. Won't the the interchange give consumers easier access to Gordon Square?

 

 

That's the question nobody can easily answer. 

 

For visitors coming from the East side/downtown on the Shoreway:

- getting off at 49th/Tillman, you go left, then right on Detroit.  That's 2 turns.

- getting off at Lake/Clifton, you go left on Lake, then left again on Detroit.  That's 2 turns.

 

Take a look at the latest drawing of the 73rd proposal.  It's at least 4 turns and probably 5 turns to get from the Shoreway to Gordon Square

 

Actually I guess I answered it pretty simply.

Fancy streetscapes around here will fall to slack maintenance in a sort time.  Until better pride is exercised in maintaining existing scenes, we will simply have new this and new tat that winds up looking crappy in a short time.

How bout let's not do this.

This is all seriously out of context.  Throw in the Shoreway conversion to a 35 mph tree-lined bicycle-friendly boulevard and suddenly it would make more sense.  But as a connection to an exit ramp, well then yes, perhaps the naysayers have a point. 

This is all seriously out of context.  Throw in the Shoreway conversion to a 35 mph tree-lined bicycle-friendly boulevard and suddenly it would make more sense.  But as a connection to an exit ramp, well then yes, perhaps the naysayers have a point. 

 

RIght on. ODOT reliant projects are the most disappointing. With that sort of timeline, it makes me wonder if we might as well wait for glaciers to return to finally wipe out the shoreway. Then we can just start over.

This is all seriously out of context.  Throw in the Shoreway conversion to a 35 mph tree-lined bicycle-friendly boulevard and suddenly it would make more sense.  But as a connection to an exit ramp, well then yes, perhaps the naysayers have a point. 

 

RIght on. ODOT reliant projects are the most disappointing. With that sort of timeline, it makes me wonder if we might as well wait for glaciers to return to finally wipe out the shoreway. Then we can just start over.

 

Funny you mention that...by this July, there will be a huge Glacier right over the Shoreway.  Its the public Art component of the 76th street tunnel, and it is going to look really awesome. Trying to get my hands on renderings...

This is all seriously out of context.  Throw in the Shoreway conversion to a 35 mph tree-lined bicycle-friendly boulevard and suddenly it would make more sense.  But as a connection to an exit ramp, well then yes, perhaps the naysayers have a point. 

 

RIght on. ODOT reliant projects are the most disappointing. With that sort of timeline, it makes me wonder if we might as well wait for glaciers to return to finally wipe out the shoreway. Then we can just start over.

 

Funny you mention that...by this July, there will be a huge Glacier right over the Shoreway.  Its the public Art component of the 76th street tunnel, and it is going to look really awesome. Trying to get my hands on renderings...

 

The best art is functional! This glacier could accelerate things quite nicely for us ha ha.

When the new Max Hayes is built, I would think the current school site would be available for development.  Seems perfect for mid rise housing.

When the new Max Hayes is built, I would think the current school site would be available for development.  Seems perfect for mid rise housing.

Agreed.

When the new Max Hayes is built, I would think the current school site would be available for development.  Seems perfect for mid rise housing.

 

You are not alone in that thinking ;)

where is the new max hayes going?

West 65th and Walworth/Clark area.

Remember that under state law, if CMSD wants to sell the building, it first has to offer it to charter schools. 

 

I would mostly like to see that site developed if it means building over the block-long parking lot that faces the street.  A mixed-use apartment/retail building would go a loooong way towards improving the cohesiveness of Detroit Avenue and connecting D-S to OC.

Hopefully it's too run down for a charter school to mess with. Removing that eyesore would be fantastic. 

 

My Dad recently told me that he went to apprentice school there in the late 60's when we drove by.  Did not know that.

 

 

Officially, Max Hayes is in Detroit-Shoreway.