Yes...I was at the meetings.

 

My favorite answer.

 

As relayed by Zone from our Traffic Engineer (whom I believe is the same person who was demoted over the snowplowing debacle this past winter)

 

this is a paraphrase.

 

It is best to allow traffic to control itself..it will find it's own optimal speed.

 

I did not say, but thought to myself....then what are we paying you for?

 

He wasn't there or I would have actually asked the question, zone was relaying the "stock answer" the guy gives so he doesn't have to actually do any work.  Makes sense from both a city of Cleveland worker perspective as well as somebody in charge of moving cars around and efficiently as possible.  Forget people.  Cars are much more important to a traffic engineer.

 

The best hope is that once the shoreway is a "boulevard"  it will be as quick to keep going down Detroit all the way to down town or get on the shoreway at either lake or 45th.  The shoreway is a long way from Detroit at 73rd.

 

That or I would be looking to buy a beater car (invite the neighbors to participate) to leave parked on the street.  Nothing quite like parked cars for do it yourself traffic calming.

 

 

 

Actually, we have had a series of meetings as resident of West 73rd, as recently as March 19th.  One of our neighbors presented to Zone and our neighborhood group what the capabilities are as established by the City of Cleveland without increasing the budget (what Zone was whining about).  We told him the budget needs to focus more on safety and less on burying power lines and all this other nonsense.  Most of us either have little kids or are having little kids soon, and we basically told him "you want to keep families here, then LISTEN to our needs! safety has to be a priority, or we will leave".  That caught his attention.  The next step is our neighbor presenting the same presentation to the consultants who are responsible for designing 73rd's redesign.  I will update you when that takes place and you can come.

Typical Zone. Only thing he supports is that which makes him look good.

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That or I would be looking to buy a beater car (invite the neighbors to participate) to leave parked on the street.  Nothing quite like parked cars for do it yourself traffic calming.

 

On some Cleveland streets parked cars have zero effect.  People still drive however fast they want to.  Lake Ave in the mornings comes to mind--I've seen a few people almost get whacked walking about between two parked cars.

Is it really so hard for the city to install some raised sidewalks or speed bumps to keep drivers honest?

 

No but it's so counter-intuitive to have a main on/off ramp from the Shoreway that cuts through an established dense/growing neighborhood.  It just doesn't work

^Oh for sure, I was just reacting to Kenny's frustration about the city's apparent lack of action. I agree it sucks- I don't get why the city won't even try to do easy things to help address it.

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That or I would be looking to buy a beater car (invite the neighbors to participate) to leave parked on the street.  Nothing quite like parked cars for do it yourself traffic calming.

 

On some Cleveland streets parked cars have zero effect.  People still drive however fast they want to.  Lake Ave in the mornings comes to mind--I've seen a few people almost get whacked walking about between two parked cars.

 

I think the comparison of the future 73rd to what Lake Road looks like is close... a little busy maybe, but a close approximation.  There will be a morning and evening "rush".   

 

 

I'm not sure where the break-even street would be, but my guess would be that anyone West of 65th heading downtown will find it faster to use 73rd rather than going down 45th.    The bluffs, when built out, will go to 45th down Tillman.

[quote author=kennybabes link=topic=653.msg752773#msg752773 date=1429037732

That or I would be looking to buy a beater car (invite the neighbors to participate) to leave parked on the street.  Nothing quite like parked cars for do it yourself traffic calming.

 

On some Cleveland streets parked cars have zero effect.  People still drive however fast they want to.  Lake Ave in the mornings comes to mind--I've seen a few people almost get whacked walking about between two parked cars.

 

I think the comparison of the future 73rd to what Lake Road looks like is close... a little busy maybe, but a close approximation.  There will be a morning and evening "rush".   

 

 

I'm not sure where the break-even street would be, but my guess would be that anyone West of 65th heading downtown will find it faster to use 73rd rather than going down 45th.    The bluffs, when built out, will go to 45th down Tillman.

 

during the rushes, people have no choice but to drive slow....lake rd is 25 MPH? KPJ can you confirm.  but people will go 35 - 40 when traffic is light.  2 separate issues....lots of traffic, but slow.  Or light traffic moving fast.  Neither one is great for kids. 

 

Anyone east of 78?  80?  83? will go get on/off at lake/clifton.

 

Hopefully you just don't get too much traffic other than the immediate neighborhood and points south...to Madison maybe.  At some point it is easier to get on 90 at W. blvd or 85th and Lorain.

 

I will probably use this but the people east of 73rd have to go all the way up to Detroit and then all the way down 73rd.  I live at 70th so this will be shorter than getting on at 45th...but i think Dergon is correct from 65th over, it will probably be quicker/easier to go to 45th.

 

I think you will also get most of the mobile martin (the ambulances) traffic their building is between 70 and 73.  they used to swing around in front of our places on the way to the shore way.  Those engines in those vans work hard....and they are driven hard, even if they aren't speeding, they are not quiet.

 

 

Flight path coming in this afternoon provided an excellent look at the construction.  Demo on the bluffs area progressing, a view of the bridge, etc all on one pic.

 

 

 

cool picture.  So they still haven't torn down any of those old shipping/receiving buildings where 73rd meets Caruso? 

 

Anyone know if the ambulance place is still for sale for like $1 million or whatever they were asking?

 

The new Edgewater Yacht Club docks sure look nice from that angle...

 

Looks like a lot of clearing at the NRP site for Breakwater Bluffs already

cool picture.  So they still haven't torn down any of those old shipping/receiving buildings where 73rd meets Caruso? 

 

Anyone know if the ambulance place is still for sale for like $1 million or whatever they were asking?

 

The new Edgewater Yacht Club docks sure look nice from that angle...

 

Looks like a lot of clearing at the NRP site for Breakwater Bluffs already

 

Very minor point of correction.  The new docks are at Edgewater Marina.  The docks at EYC are the same old same old .... and will cost me a pretty penny in new club capital improvement fees once they do move to replace them.  ;)

 

 

(( wish EYC would have gotten some of the Katrina money :)  ))

Good correction, I should know the difference!  EYC is rocky river

Good correction, I should know the difference!  EYC is rocky river

 

CYC is Rocky River  (and a much prettier penny than EYC).

 

Inside the Edgewater basin, sharing an entrance, are two marinas.  On the right is Edgewater Mariana with the new docks replaced after sandy.  On the left (west) is EYC which got new docks after Agnes in 1972.   

 

And as for the Edgewater Marina docks looking good.... their looks might be the only good thing about them

 

ODNR Ignored Local Experts to Fast-Track an Edgewater Marina Project Bound for "Catastrophic Failure"

 

The new aluminum floating docks, described in sequential fashion by former marina commodore Gregory Group as "slap dash," "dinky," "dangerous," "a joke" and "piece of sh*t," are scheduled to be fully installed and open for nautical fun and/or peril by mid-May 2014.

 

 

What's known is that ODNR fast-tracked the floating docks project despite explicit urging to the contrary. Critics have pointed repeatedly to the outer stone breakwall, which was compromised during Sandy, and which wasn't strong enough to protect the welded-steel fixed docks in place when the storm hit. A Feb. 13, 2013, report commissioned by the Metroparks, prepared by engineer John Matricardi (who has done successful work for ODNR in the past), officially recommended that "no floating docks be installed at the [Edgewater Marina] until the outer breakwater and entrance improvements are made."

 

 

Anyway... sorry to drift OT.

 

...  More work crews out on the RR bridge and working the tracks East of 73rd today.

 

There! Back on topic!

Flight path coming in this afternoon provided an excellent look at the construction.  Demo on the bluffs area progressing, a view of the bridge, etc all on one pic.

 

 

 

Wow, they're working on Breakwater Bluffs! I can't see it from the CSU Line on the Shoreway, and I haven't driven into the Battery Park area in a long time. Looks like I'm overdue for a visit.

Seeing that picture of Breakwater Bluffs from the air, thought I'd check it out from the ground. Turns out I overdosed on Detroit-Shoreway....

 

Demolition for Breakwater Bluffs 200+ apartments progressing...

 

 

Looking east along Breakwater Avenue, just east of West 65th...

 

 

Templin Bradley conversion to apartments, Detroit Avenue at West 57th...

 

 

Exterior rehab, Detroit Avenue and West 58th...

 

 

Harborview Townhouses, West 54th and Herman Avenue...

Lots of build in the neighborhood :)

 

Great pics. Thanks!

 

 

 

ps -- both sets of RR tracks now laid across the W73rd brige.  Should be removing the shoefly soon.

Lots of build in the neighborhood :)

 

Great pics. Thanks!

 

 

 

ps -- both sets of RR tracks now laid across the W73rd brige.  Should be removing the shoefly soon.

 

Thanks. Can you believe that I did not bother to check on the progress of the railroad bridge project??

Lots of build in the neighborhood :)

 

Great pics. Thanks!

 

 

 

ps -- both sets of RR tracks now laid across the W73rd brige.  Should be removing the shoefly soon.

 

Thanks. Can you believe that I did not bother to check on the progress of the railroad bridge project??

 

No worries ... here you go.  (I had to walk a great distance of 50 feet to get this pic.. so I hope you appreciate it ;)  )

 

Thanks! Hope you didn't break a sweat for me! ;)

Thanks for the visit KJP! Don't be a stranger!

Was out walking the dog this am and struck up a conversation with a NS supervisor.    Re-routing of the first set of tracks to permanent location over the bridge to be done on 5/17 with the second to follow a few days later.  Bye-bye, shoelfy.  Can't wait to have Fr. Caruso back again... so many yahoos cutting through our back drive to get from 69th to 70th that it's driving me nuts.

Well, that's certainly good news! I just moved to the neighborhood, and it's amazing how there's hardly any connection between 69th and 73rd. For example, if I want to walk to Stone Mad Pub from my place at W. 76th, I have to go down to Lake and then Detroit, six blocks east, and then up 65th. It looks like Herman Avenue was originally supposed to connect W. 76th with W. 49th which would have helped a lot with connectivity, but I think the planners got drunk or something, and now we're stuck with 3 separate Hermans that don't connect.

Urbanophile, we are neighbors.  As part of the 73rd project, they are going to punch Father Frascati through to 70th.  70th has a connection at Herman, so you will be able to take back streets over to 65th (although inconvenient, I have been loving the foot traffic up at the square lately).

New apartments leasing in historic Templin Bradley Lofts in Gordon Square

erin o'brien | Monday, May 04, 2015

 

Renovations for the 1916 Templin Bradley Company building, 5700 Detroit Avenue, are nearing completion, with 30 new apartments that will be available for move-in as early as July 1.

 

"It's on the eastern edge of Gordon Square Arts District," says Greg Baron, housing director for the Detroit Shoreway Community Development Organization (DSCDO). "We really trying extend the district out further east and west, so this is our first major project in that section of the neighborhood."

 

All units are currently leasing. They include nine one- and 21 two-bedroom units, although four of the spaces are two-story live/work units, for which square footages range from 1,500 to 1,900. The other units go from 690- to 950-square-feet. Fifteen of the apartments are priced at market rate and 15 are designated affordable, which was a condition for part of the project's funding. Those leasing the affordable units must fall within a certain income level. Monthly rents go from $500 to $1,100.

 

http://www.freshwatercleveland.com/devnews/templinbradley050415.aspx

^Very nice.  The immediate area around 5700 Detroit has a nice density to it and Templin Bradley will only add to it.  It would be great if, some day, the strip of D-S vibrancy can stretch all the way from here east to Hingetown and west through Gordon Sq... It's almost there, but not quite yet.

^ its on its way.  We can expect Agora Foods (will resemble a Mediterranean version of Galluccis) at 57th and Detroit.  We have Vintage building new apartments at 32nd...Harp is on an island in between.  When Max Hayes is vacated, that space will be key to that stretch, interested to see what they do there.

^ Where exactly is Agora Foods going? That nice stone building that currently houses Jackson Hewitt? Or that brick building across W. 57? (On a side note, I think if someone were to ever develop the lot on the corner of Detroit and W. 58, it would make a HUGE difference in terms of walkability and placemaking)

 

Urbanophile, we are neighbors.  As part of the 73rd project, they are going to punch Father Frascati through to 70th.  70th has a connection at Herman, so you will be able to take back streets over to 65th (although inconvenient, I have been loving the foot traffic up at the square lately).

 

Hey neighbor! I'm really loving the neighborhood so far. That Father Frescati extension certainly help with connectivity. While they're at it, they should just punch Frescati all the way through to W. 69, and tear down those ugly yellow suburban style houses ;) ... I'm actually only half-joking. There's still an issue with connectivity between W. 69 and W. 70 - you'd either have to go all the down to Detroit or Father Caruso to just go one block over. I wonder why connectivity is such a mess in this particular part of the neighborhood. I'm guessing it's the result of various private developers not working together.

^ Where exactly is Agora Foods going? That nice stone building that currently houses Jackson Hewitt? Or that brick building across W. 57? (On a side note, I think if someone were to ever develop the lot on the corner of Detroit and W. 58, it would make a HUGE difference in terms of walkability and placemaking)

 

Urbanophile, we are neighbors.  As part of the 73rd project, they are going to punch Father Frascati through to 70th.  70th has a connection at Herman, so you will be able to take back streets over to 65th (although inconvenient, I have been loving the foot traffic up at the square lately).

 

Hey neighbor! I'm really loving the neighborhood so far. That Father Frescati extension certainly help with connectivity. While they're at it, they should just punch Frescati all the way through to W. 69, and tear down those ugly yellow suburban style houses ;) ... I'm actually only half-joking. There's still an issue with connectivity between W. 69 and W. 70 - you'd either have to go all the down to Detroit or Father Caruso to just go one block over. I wonder why connectivity is such a mess in this particular part of the neighborhood. I'm guessing it's the result of various private developers not working together.

 

Agora Foods International

 

5417 Detroit Avenue

^ Where exactly is Agora Foods going? That nice stone building that currently houses Jackson Hewitt? Or that brick building across W. 57? (On a side note, I think if someone were to ever develop the lot on the corner of Detroit and W. 58, it would make a HUGE difference in terms of walkability and placemaking)

 

Urbanophile, we are neighbors.  As part of the 73rd project, they are going to punch Father Frascati through to 70th.  70th has a connection at Herman, so you will be able to take back streets over to 65th (although inconvenient, I have been loving the foot traffic up at the square lately).

 

Hey neighbor! I'm really loving the neighborhood so far. That Father Frescati extension certainly help with connectivity. While they're at it, they should just punch Frescati all the way through to W. 69, and tear down those ugly yellow suburban style houses ;) ... I'm actually only half-joking. There's still an issue with connectivity between W. 69 and W. 70 - you'd either have to go all the down to Detroit or Father Caruso to just go one block over. I wonder why connectivity is such a mess in this particular part of the neighborhood. I'm guessing it's the result of various private developers not working together.

 

Until the W. 73rd St. project  began in August 2013, father Caruso Drive was the main connector. It ran continuously without a stop sign from West 73rd to West 65th. It even continued almost all the way to the powerhouse one battery Park sta it even continued almost all the way to the powerhouse when battery Park rated buildout.  People would drive superfast down  people would drive superfast down. it. (I personally witnessed three near accidents with kids on bikes  and or dogs with cars doing 50+ miles an hour down father Caruso)

This is going to be a fantastic addition to Gordon Square!

 

Agora foods, Le Petit Triangle teaming up for new retail space/eatery in Gordon Square

 

While the lion's share of the 24,000-square-foot building at 5417 Detroit Avenue currently houses Agora Foods International, the front section of the building is on the verge of a transformation that will undoubtedly delight neighbors and foodies from near and far.

 

"We're going to have a specialty shop and a small tapas café operation," says Steve Daniels, vice president of Agora, a Mediterranean food importer and distributor that formerly operated at 3007 Clinton Avenue in Ohio City. "We're not just going to do Greek, we're going to do the whole Mediterranean region." The store and café will collectively be called Astoria.

 

http://freshwatercleveland.com/devnews/astoria051115.aspx

They're out walking the tracks tonight and staking out to move them to their permanent location over the bridge.

 

Also, over at the Breakwater Bluffs site they demo'd all of the buildings on the South edge of the site.  I took this panoramic from roughly 62nd and Breakwater facing North.

 

 

(( it look like a "corner" but it's just breakwater on both edges ))

They're out walking the tracks tonight and staking out to move them to their permanent location over the bridge.

 

Also, over at the Breakwater Bluffs site they demo'd all of the buildings on the South edge of the site.  I took this panoramic from roughly 62nd and Breakwater facing North.

 

 

(( it look like a "corner" but it's just breakwater on both edges ))

 

Panorama does that at close range, my Facebook cover is my daughter at headlands and it looks like she is standing on a small bay.

All of these developments may finally stop the population loss!

^ apparently not.  LOL.  I keep thinking, ok ive literally seen hundreds of people move into the city in the last year, this is going to be the year it stabilizes.  and then the census consultants tell a different story

^ apparently not.  LOL.  I keep thinking, ok ive literally seen hundreds of people move into the city in the last year, this is going to be the year it stabilizes.  and then the census consultants tell a different story

 

Fwiw, I believe that the census estimate model heavily weights past population trends, which obviously aren't in Cleveland's favor.

^ apparently not.  LOL.  I keep thinking, ok ive literally seen hundreds of people move into the city in the last year, this is going to be the year it stabilizes.  and then the census consultants tell a different story

 

I know ... ugh.

 

 

I feel the same way.  I see all this build build build around me every day both at home (Detroit-Shoreway) and work (UH) and then and think the population must be doing OK ... then we hemorrhage another few thousand :(

^ The trend is slowing, and it's definitely within the realm of possibility that the population will stabilize within the next few years. The population has been shrinking significantly for the past few decades... did anyone really expect that the census numbers would already show a gain in population? Change is happening, but it's a slow process. Don't be too disheartened by these numbers.

 

(we're getting a bit off topic now. I think there's a thread for Cleveland population trends, so let's take this discussion there.)

 

Some work on Templin Bradley  (5/25/15)

 

 

 

 

 

The W73rd RR bridg looking north... telling you you are heading into the park :)

 

 

Excavation on the tunnel under the RR tracks beginning

 

Bye Bye, Shoefly!

 

 

Yay.  Ready for the tracks to go back to their rightful place ... further away from my bedroom!

Tiny-house trend builds momentum in Cleveland, with Detroit Shoreway project planned (photos)

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Tim Nevits contacted dozens of lenders and local cities a few years ago, in his quest for a loan and land to build a tiny house. After scads of rejections, he found a place for his 130-square-foot dwelling at a mobile-home park in eastern Cleveland.

 

In August 2012, Nevits moved into the dinky domicile, which sits on a flatbed trailer in the city's North Collinwood neighborhood. In a moment memorialized in a YouTube video, he became part of a tiny-house movement that was creeping inward from the coasts but showing few signs of capturing Ohio imaginations.

 

Read more: http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2015/05/tiny_house_trend_builds_moment.html#incart_river

 

This could be pretty cool! Assuming that they use urban principles in the design of the houses, I would love to see all the lots in the eco-village fill up with these tiny houses. It seems like a lot of these tiny houses are built in rural/sprawling areas, which doesn't make much sense to me. The tiny house concept would work much better in an urban environment, since you can just walk to local cafes, parks, bars, etc. if you are bored of your tiny space. Using that same logic, I'd think that tiny house residents would be more likely to be more active members of their neighborhood, instead of just staying in their house all day. Overall, this could be a great idea and I hope it takes off.

 

 

Tiny-house trend builds momentum in Cleveland, with Detroit Shoreway project planned (photos)

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Tim Nevits contacted dozens of lenders and local cities a few years ago, in his quest for a loan and land to build a tiny house. After scads of rejections, he found a place for his 130-square-foot dwelling at a mobile-home park in eastern Cleveland.

 

In August 2012, Nevits moved into the dinky domicile, which sits on a flatbed trailer in the city's North Collinwood neighborhood. In a moment memorialized in a YouTube video, he became part of a tiny-house movement that was creeping inward from the coasts but showing few signs of capturing Ohio imaginations.

 

Read more: http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2015/05/tiny_house_trend_builds_moment.html#incart_river

 

This could be pretty cool! Assuming that they use urban principles in the design of the houses, I would love to see all the lots in the eco-village fill up with these tiny houses. It seems like a lot of these tiny houses are built in rural/sprawling areas, which doesn't make much sense to me. The tiny house concept would work much better in an urban environment, since you can just walk to local cafes, parks, bars, etc. if you are bored of your tiny space. Using that same logic, I'd think that tiny house residents would be more likely to be more active members of their neighborhood, instead of just staying in their house all day. Overall, this could be a great idea and I hope it takes off.

 

 

 

True. The city becomes your living room.

 

Bye Bye, Shoefly!

 

 

Yay.  Ready for the tracks to go back to their rightful place ... further away from my bedroom!

 

Is there room there for one of those ridiculous tiny houses? 

Is there room there for one of those ridiculous tiny houses? 

 

Just because you don't like them doesn't make them ridiculous. To each their own, wouldn't you agree?

Yeah I guess, but it seems to be similar to a trailer to me.  I don't think many people would want them in their backyard, maybe that's why they seem to be in more spacious areas.  As someone commented on line about them, why not stack them on top of each other and call them apartments?

 

I don't think the property owners in Battery Park would want them on the lot next door.

Yeah I guess, but it seems to be similar to a trailer to me.  I don't think many people would want them in their backyard, maybe that's why they seem to be in more spacious areas.  As someone commented on line about them, why not stack them on top of each other and call them apartments?

 

I don't think the property owners in Battery Park would want them on the lot next door.

 

The trailer component, while providing portability, is more or less a trick to avoid zoning regs which disallow small houses.

 

I'm willing to bet the vast majority of those dwellers would gladly trade in their tires for a permanent foundation. 

Yeah I guess, but it seems to be similar to a trailer to me.  I don't think many people would want them in their backyard, maybe that's why they seem to be in more spacious areas.  As someone commented on line about them, why not stack them on top of each other and call them apartments?

 

I don't think the property owners in Battery Park would want them on the lot next door.

 

The trailer component, while providing portability, is more or less a trick to avoid zoning regs which disallow small houses.

 

I'm willing to bet the vast majority of those dwellers would gladly trade in their tires for a permanent foundation. 

 

Im a Battery Park owner and I think these are great.  They are a far cry from Trailers.  IF they are constructed the way they are rendered, they will be pretty modern units and aesthetically pleasing.  And these aren't cheap per square foot either.  80K for 300-400 square feet?  I have no issue with these and I don't think a lot of my neighbors would either, its just the culture of the neighborhood.  We want good people and for things to be done right.  If they are done right, the neighborhood is typically OK with it.  The neighbors dont like corners cut, and developers who are greedy and cheap (no names- rhymes with Mintage).  Citizens Bank is quite huge, they wouldn't be financing a project that resembled Alabama.  This is a step in a different direction.  Different is good.  Different is a part of the Detroit Shoreway/Gordon Square fabric.  And not to take a shot at the south Detroit Shoreway area (near Lorain) but that housing stock is quite beat up.  This is an upgrade in a lot of respects.

This is a dumb idea and thh city shouldn't allow it.  $80k for 400 sf?  On a depreciating asset?  Buy a house in Cleveland for $40k, spend $40k on roof windows etc and have a nice home that improved the neighborhood and take advantage of the tax advantages.  The city already has these programs on the books but does a lousy job promoting them to young people. 

This is a dumb idea and thh city shouldn't allow it.  $80k for 400 sf?  On a depreciating asset?  Buy a house in Cleveland for $40k, spend $40k on roof windows etc and have a nice home that improved the neighborhood and take advantage of the tax advantages.  The city already has these programs on the books but does a lousy job promoting them to young people. 

 

Can you provide a reason why they should be illegal?

Shouldn't the free market and not government decide if these are a good idea?

This is a dumb idea and thh city shouldn't allow it.  $80k for 400 sf?  On a depreciating asset?  Buy a house in Cleveland for $40k, spend $40k on roof windows etc and have a nice home that improved the neighborhood and take advantage of the tax advantages.  The city already has these programs on the books but does a lousy job promoting them to young people. 

 

Can you provide a reason why they should be illegal?

 

I wouldn't use the term "illegal" but building codes are restrictive for everyone's benefit.  Cleveland has an abundance of old homes dying for someone to invest some money & sweat equity into them.  Areas like Detroit Shoreway are a perfect example.  Homes Edgewater area over to W. 54th, all the cross streets in between, Clinton, Franklin, etc.  Like I mentioned, plenty of City programs already on the books to encourage reinvestment but nobody knows about them or the tax benefits and low interest loans.  This type of reinvestment has much more lasting benefits to the city and to individuals than any "tiny homes" concept.

Tiny house people are usually creative or free-spirited Henry David Thoreau influenced types who are basically finding a way to beat the system and lower their cost of living drastically. I used to see a lot about them when I frequented financial independence/personal finance blogs. They are definitely the type of people you want moving into your city if you want a vibrant city. The houses are tiny but well maintained, interesting, and aesthetically pleasing.

 

The sad thing was a lot of them were/are operating at the legal fringes due to zoning laws that just could never anticipate this kind of thing when they were drafted.

 

It would behoove Cleveland to let these people in and not hassle them.