May 30, 201510 yr ^the other thing about tiny houses is that they work well in places like Seattle or other coastal cities with insanely high costs of living. Cleveland is not one of those cities. $80k can get you a pretty solid home
May 30, 201510 yr ^the other thing about tiny houses is that they work well in places like Seattle or other coastal cities with insanely high costs of living. Cleveland is not one of those cities. $80k can get you a pretty solid home This is a valid point. But I was thinking, while Cleveland doesn't not have that insane high cost of living, it does have a great deal of divergence in livability throughout. I'd much rather live in a small house or micro apartment in a vibrant neighborhood vs. a cheaper, larger, nicer house in a struggling area. [man my spelling and sentence structure has just gone straight stupid lately]
May 30, 201510 yr Even if zoning changes are made to allow these tiny houses, I'm sure they're still going to be a pretty niche product. I don't think they'll drastically affect the number of people buying and rehabbing existing housing stock.
June 6, 201510 yr West Shoreway speed limit drops to 35 mph in the fall as boulevard conversion begins (( some photos in the article )) Article summarizing the Thursday meeting Speed limits on the now-50 mph Shoreway will drop to 40 mph when construction starts June 22 to replace the pavement on the three-mile Shoreway between Clifton Boulevard/Lake Avenue and the Main Avenue Bridge. The speed limit will be reduced further to the boulevard-level 35 mph this fall. Two lanes of the Shoreway will be maintained in both directions throughout most of the construction. More lanes may be closed occasionally, during off-peak times. A full three lanes will be open in the winter when construction is halted. There will be intermittent, posted detours for entrance and exit ramps at Lake Avenue, Edgewater Park, West 49th Street, West 45th Street and West 25th Street. The ramp closures will be phased in so reasonable detours are in place and simultaneous closing of ramps is kept to a minimum...
June 6, 201510 yr I still don't get the point of the Shoreway project. I get that it will make the drive more scenic but if we couldn't get funding and full backing of ODOT to convert it to a full access road,what is the point?
June 6, 201510 yr I still don't get the point of the Shoreway project. I get that it will make the drive more scenic but if we couldn't get funding and full backing of ODOT to convert it to a full access road,what is the point? Maybe it's just the long game. Maybe full access isn't in play in 2015 but maybe after W73rd gets done and people get used to 35 MPH then in the next round of upgrades a decade from now they could have an easier time selling a few more interections.
June 6, 201510 yr In the article it mentions the construction of a new plaza on the NW corner of W25 and Detroit to act as the start of the multipurpose trail. Doesn't that overlap with plans for the new apartment building there?
June 6, 201510 yr I still don't get the point of the Shoreway project. I get that it will make the drive more scenic but if we couldn't get funding and full backing of ODOT to convert it to a full access road,what is the point? Hmm, well I'd say even the half-assed makeover is still a drastic improvement imho. And I think what we're seeing is a change in philosophy; that the beach isn't just a place to drive past at 70 mph.
June 6, 201510 yr The crew from Detroit Shoreway and Marous Brothers getting the gardens ready at Templin Bradley Co. Lofts http://t.co/gTBlorLzO9 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 6, 201510 yr In the article it mentions the construction of a new plaza on the NW corner of W25 and Detroit to act as the start of the multipurpose trail. Doesn't that overlap with plans for the new apartment building there? Looks like the city and Snavely group are doing a land swap for the trail. This is from the Cleveland planning commission agenda from yesterday. http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2015/06052015/index.php 6. Ordinance No. xxx-15(Ward 3/Councilmember Cimperman): Authorizing the Director of Public Works to enter into an option agreement for the sale of a portion of Jimmy Bivens Park near the northwest corner of the intersection of Detroit Avenue and W. 25th Street (portion of PPN 003-14-007) for redevelopment by Snavely Property Company LLC, or its designee, and an agreement to purchase additional land from Snavely Property Company LLC, or its designee, for construction of a multi-purpose trail on PPN 003-14-006 and the remainder of PPN 003-14-007 and construction and maintenance of new park improvements thereon.
June 6, 201510 yr Ah thank you! Good to know. I was confused at first because the picture in the article makes it look like the park will take of alot more of the property than I remembered from the Snavely plans, now I realize it was just the angle of the picture.
June 8, 201510 yr I don't recall the Westinghouse Building being for sale... I thought the owners wanted to try to develop it themselves? Guess not: http://www.loopnet.com/xNet/MainSite/Listing/Profile/Profile.aspx?LID=18526970&SRID=5843754825&StepID=101 Industrial Property For Sale Price:$5,908,500 Building Size:303,000 SFPrice/SF:$19.50 Property Type:Industrial Property Sub-type:Manufacturing Additional Sub-types:Full Service Property Use Type:Vacant/Owner-User No. Stories:2 Year Built:1915 Clear Ceiling Height:18 ft. Dock-High Doors/Loading:6 Drive In/Grade-Level Doors:6 Lot Size:0 AC Mid/High-Rise Special Purpose (Other) APN / Parcel ID:002-11-002 Listing ID18526970 Last Updated6 days ago Description The traffic reporters use the term "Westinghouse Curve" every morning and evening on every station when discussing traffic on the Shoreway. This Cleveland icon is 300,000 s.f. on a 3.62 acre site with an eight story, 122 foot tall, 100,000 sf tower. Some walls are two feet thick. It is used and zoned for heavy manufacturing, but its future is, arguably, residential re-development. To that end, our Paul Bossman just signed deals with the neighboring industrial properties all the way down the north side of Breakwater Avenue to W.65th Street, for 10-1/2 acres of residential re-development. This is the perfect crown jewel addition to the Detroit Shoreway CDC projects spearheaded by Jeff Ramsey and Councilman Matt Zone: Detroit Avenue retail, office and entertainment, Gordon Square, Battery Park, and now this. Make an offer -- its seriously for sale. 1200 W. 58th Street is north off of Detroit Avenue. Go north on W. 58th, pass the famous Parkview Restaurant and you are looking at the Westinghouse Building, as well as Lake Erie. The West Channel of the Cuyahoga River and Ivancic Marine are plainly visible from the site. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 9, 201510 yr Author Dibs on the top floor, northeast unit with rights to build a rooftop deck. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
June 9, 201510 yr Dibs on the top floor, northeast unit with rights to build a rooftop deck. Fine. Then you gotta hang the Christmas decor!
June 9, 201510 yr I don't recall the Westinghouse Building being for sale... I thought the owners wanted to try to develop it themselves? Guess not: http://www.loopnet.com/xNet/MainSite/Listing/Profile/Profile.aspx?LID=18526970&SRID=5843754825&StepID=101 Industrial Property For Sale Price:$5,908,500 Building Size:303,000 SFPrice/SF:$19.50 Property Type:Industrial Property Sub-type:Manufacturing Additional Sub-types:Full Service Property Use Type:Vacant/Owner-User No. Stories:2 Year Built:1915 Clear Ceiling Height:18 ft. Dock-High Doors/Loading:6 Drive In/Grade-Level Doors:6 Lot Size:0 AC Mid/High-Rise Special Purpose (Other) APN / Parcel ID:002-11-002 Listing ID18526970 Last Updated6 days ago Description The traffic reporters use the term "Westinghouse Curve" every morning and evening on every station when discussing traffic on the Shoreway. This Cleveland icon is 300,000 s.f. on a 3.62 acre site with an eight story, 122 foot tall, 100,000 sf tower. Some walls are two feet thick. It is used and zoned for heavy manufacturing, but its future is, arguably, residential re-development. To that end, our Paul Bossman just signed deals with the neighboring industrial properties all the way down the north side of Breakwater Avenue to W.65th Street, for 10-1/2 acres of residential re-development. This is the perfect crown jewel addition to the Detroit Shoreway CDC projects spearheaded by Jeff Ramsey and Councilman Matt Zone: Detroit Avenue retail, office and entertainment, Gordon Square, Battery Park, and now this. Make an offer -- its seriously for sale. 1200 W. 58th Street is north off of Detroit Avenue. Go north on W. 58th, pass the famous Parkview Restaurant and you are looking at the Westinghouse Building, as well as Lake Erie. The West Channel of the Cuyahoga River and Ivancic Marine are plainly visible from the site. I've been commuting in and around Cleveland for many years, including a stint on W. 110th just south of Berea. I have never heard the traffic reporters talk about the Westinghouse Curve.
June 9, 201510 yr Dibs on the top floor, northeast unit with rights to build a rooftop deck. I ran a development proforma on that building for my masters in urban planning at CSU. Even with taking advantage of every tax credit available and rents of $2/sf, the building has a maximum purchase price of about $2.5 million. It's a great building though, excellent location, very solid structure, just needs the windows opened up, plenty of parking.
June 9, 201510 yr I've been commuting in and around Cleveland for many years, including a stint on W. 110th just south of Berea. I have never heard the traffic reporters talk about the Westinghouse Curve. Oh I have, especially a couple decades ago when traffic was heavier on the West Shoreway and when I used to listen to the radio. Dibs on the top floor, northeast unit with rights to build a rooftop deck. I ran a development proforma on that building for my masters in urban planning at CSU. Even with taking advantage of every tax credit available and rents of $2/sf, the building has a maximum purchase price of about $2.5 million. It's a great building though, excellent location, very solid structure, just needs the windows opened up, plenty of parking. It's probably going to sit on the market for a while. Although that low-level machine-shop type area to the south of the 8-story structure would make a great retail/office/mixed use area that could generate some more lucrative revenue than residential. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 9, 201510 yr I've been commuting in and around Cleveland for many years, including a stint on W. 110th just south of Berea. I have never heard the traffic reporters talk about the Westinghouse Curve. Oh I have, especially a couple decades ago when traffic was heavier on the West Shoreway and when I used to listen to the radio. Dibs on the top floor, northeast unit with rights to build a rooftop deck. I ran a development proforma on that building for my masters in urban planning at CSU. Even with taking advantage of every tax credit available and rents of $2/sf, the building has a maximum purchase price of about $2.5 million. It's a great building though, excellent location, very solid structure, just needs the windows opened up, plenty of parking. It's probably going to sit on the market for a while. Although that low-level machine-shop type area to the south of the 8-story structure would make a great retail/office/mixed use area that could generate some more lucrative revenue than residential. If it was a machine shop, best be careful. Some of the old school cutting oils can trigger CERCLA issues.
June 9, 201510 yr OH MY GOD...... I might be getting my street back! They're flattening out the ground on Father Caruso between 69th and 70th!
June 20, 20159 yr W73rd.... it's finally a tunnel! Yeah, for motocross bikes! ;) "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 27, 20159 yr Looks like this property is being offered up for a large, potentially mixed-use development of some kind.... http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/19240919/5400-Detroit-Avenue-Cleveland-OH/ Saigon Plaza For Sale or Joint Venture 5400 Detroit Avenue, Cleveland, OH 44102 $1,200,000 25,000 SF | Retail Description 1.5 acre development site in the heart of Gordon Square adjacent to Cleveland Public Theatre, Near West Theatre & Edgewater Park. Frontage on Detroit Avenue, West 54th Street and Tillman Avenue. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 5, 20159 yr From today: Man, you beat me to it.... almost identical pic from yesterday.... but I'll put it in anyway.
July 12, 20159 yr That site clearing sure is taking a while. Dergon first posted an aerial of it in April, and I took some ground-level snaps a couple days later.... http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,653.msg753703.html#msg753703 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 16, 20159 yr It looks like they're starting work on tearing down the old Watterson-Lake school. Sorry to hear that. I wish it could have been saved.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 16, 20159 yr From Detroit Shoreway's twitter yesterday: DetroitShoreway @DetroitShoreway Jul 15 The demolition of Watterson-Lake school began this week to remove and preserve the terra cotta stone. For more details, contact our office.
July 16, 20159 yr ^ well, at least they are preserving the terra cotta stone. That building has been sitting in decay for a long time. Unfortunately it just wouldn't be feasible to save the hold building. I hope there are plans for a development on that corner. I'd hate to see it sit empty.
July 16, 20159 yr ^that's a pretty good corner. Would be an excellent location for a nice mixed use development. Need to do something with the acres of parking across the street at that Burger King...
July 16, 20159 yr The Burger King, McDonalds, and Family Dollar are really holding back developments on that stretch of Detroit (imo).
July 16, 20159 yr I went to a meeting a few months back regarding watterson lake. There was a small contingent of us that wanted city to work harder to find a special group of Who could take on such a Chellenging project. They consulted with like one group who said it couldn't be done. I challenged zone and the residents to give it more time and cast a wider net from coast to coast for a group who could take on this gorgeous structure despite the asbestos. The entire west Clinton street was there and they've all been paranoid about this building for years and couldn't open up their mind to a different alternative. And we knock down some greatness. Decisions like that prevent a neighborhood to elevate and have a unique feature you can't find anywhere else in the country. But hey, the people spoke. So let's shoot for average. I have no problem with the McDonald's or Burger King (besides huge parking lot). The family dollar is the worst in the city. You go to the worst neighborhoods in the city and they have family dollars with nicer facades and a more welcoming exterior. Wish that would come down
July 16, 20159 yr It's too bad it couldn't be saved, but I'm glad at least something is happening. I'd love to see some new apartments and retail on that corner. And my issue with McDonalds and Burger King isn't that they exist, but rather that their designs are so anti-urban. It's possible for fast food restaurants to be built closer to the sidewalk, with parking reserved for the back. Right now it's just a huge waste of space, and it completely contradicts the urban atmosphere of Gordon Square just a few blocks east. The Family Dollar with the metal bars over the windows really needs to come down. It's going to be the first thing that people see when they enter the neighborhood from W. 73rd (getting off from the new Shoreway exit). PS - Word on the street is that someone is purchasing the yellow brick building across from Family Dollar, with the intention to renovate it for apartments and retail/restaurant. THANK GOD. That building is in such a state of disrepair, and I've been worried that someone would tear it down. Lots going on in Detroit-Shoreway lately!
July 16, 20159 yr ^^that building has been purchased. Commercial is the goal with apartments on top much like the cheerio building. A great building. They want to demo the attached house on 73 tho
July 16, 20159 yr Bummer about Watterson-Lake. These are the kinds of buildings that the historic preservation tax credits should be helping, but I guess the building condition and market rents never quite coincided to make it happen.
July 16, 20159 yr I heard from a friend who knows the owners that Brewnuts might be opening in the Detroit Shoreway area. Not sure if that would be a permanent spot or just a pop up spot. I couldn't find anything from them directly that confirms this though.
July 16, 20159 yr I can confirm that they are looking at space on Detroit Ave. in the Gordon Square Arts District.
July 16, 20159 yr ^this is true, but as with anything until the ink is dry anything can happen. Let's hope the lease situation goes well
July 20, 20159 yr I heard from a friend who knows the owners that Brewnuts might be opening in the Detroit Shoreway area. Not sure if that would be a permanent spot or just a pop up spot. They're interested in the southwest corner of West 65th and Detroit. The old offices of Matt Zone. They also want to sell beer, so there's a petition floating around out there to allow for the liquor license variance.
July 30, 20159 yr Father Caruso drive is returning after 2 years.... yay! It is so close to actually being a street again that last night I saw 2 separate cars go pass the barricades at W67th to try to make it to Battery Park. The first guy only made it to 70th. But the second one was a jeep and made it pseudo-off road all the way to the tunnel but had to turn back due to the fencing.
August 5, 20159 yr That site clearing sure is taking a while. Dergon first posted an aerial of it in April, and I took some ground-level snaps a couple days later.... http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,653.msg753703.html#msg753703 Some progress on the bluffs. (shot panoramic on Breakwater looking roughly to the North West) Mostly big hunks of rocks smashed into small piles of dirt and smoothed over a bit.... but slow and steady wins I guess.
August 5, 20159 yr ^ Nice! better than all the scraps from the demolition. IMO, this will be the biggest impact on the neighborhood. Almost all the businesses will see an immediate boost with that many new residents. 73rd Construction starting to wind down. I will have updates Monday after COuncilman Zone presents at our block club
August 5, 20159 yr From the other direction this afternoon (( pay no attention to the 3-headed dog in the bottom left ... that's just Cerberus doing his thing ;) ))
August 11, 20159 yr I'm pressing the dislike button. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 11, 20159 yr I'm pressing the dislike button. Is there a plan for redeveloping that site once the school is down? The City or School Board left that building in such a sad state for so long, not surprised they demo'd it. Just hope something good goes back there, pretty high profile corner
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