^ Wasn't that area also always slated for development?

The vacant land north of Father Frascatti was always slated for development. Loosing the view was a matter of timing--when, not if. In fact, I think there were supposed to be two taller than 5 story buildings there. Similarly, there has always been a planned building on the corner of Powerhouse and Frascatti - across from Cha. It was supposed to be owner occupied. I had heard that was changing to apartments. That is what I was inquiring about.

^^Too bad they can't bury those utilities.  Looks like they've been there since the 30's!

 

Can't say for sure and I will have to go over and observe for myself, but those wires appear to be on the periphery of the development and even that utility pole in the center of the photo appears to route power lines down into tubes underground which, no doubt power the development.

 

 

Yeah. Looking at that pic it's shot looking eastward from 65th and Father Caruso. Those utilities are running north-south up 65th street and aren't inside the Edison proje t proper.    (I will confirm with my eyeballs as I walk the dog later :)  )

While it's nice to see any sort of new building in Cleveland, I can't help but be a little disappointed at this whole complex. It feels very separated from the urban fabric, almost like a gated community. And not really any mixed use within walking distance like you see in some of the greatest neighborhoods, sure they have a few bars and restaurants in the area but nowhere to go get everyday necessities within a comfortable walking distance. Definitely built to car scale rather than pedestrian scale.

 

^ Not sure what your definition of a comfortable walking distance is - there's a Save a Lot, Family Dollar, Stockyard Meats, and a Rite Aid all within a few blocks.  Not to mention coffee, movies, ice cream, bank, and many more shops and restaurants.

 

The "gated" feel has more to do with the geography of the site along the Shoreway bluff I would think. 

 

We could certainly use a real full service grocery store closer.      Just about everyone in our complex gets groceries in Lakewood or down at W.25th.  For that stuff it's still a driving neighborhood.

 

 

For coffee, wine, craft beer, nice cheese, dinner out we're fine.  But need more population to coax a Constantino's or equivalent.

Be patient people...neighborhoods don't just blossom over night.  Just wait until these 307 units are occupied.  The gap between battery park and Ohio City is getting smaller and smaller (and cleaner and cleaner).  10 years ago it was a blighted neighborhood.  5-10 years from now it'll be an affluent, bustling one.

^ i agree.  Some of the businesses in Gordon Square have been nerve wracklingly (nerve wracklingly?) been awaiting for this development to open up to add more customers to give them weeknight business and help them be sustainable.  Let this cluster of homes serve those who are already there and maybe additional retail can follow down the line when deemed sustainable.

Speaking of the Edison......

 

Edison is enticing draw at Gordon Square

February 19, 2017 UPDATED 12 HOURS AGO

By STAN BULLARD

 

Weston Wilson describes the wait until construction workers complete his one-bedroom apartment at The Edison at Gordon Square in Cleveland as "six months of the night before Christmas."

 

The Rocky River native, 33, who moved back to town last Christmas after living in cities on the coasts including Manhattan and San Francisco, leased at Edison because of its proximity to the Cleveland Museum of Art and the Cleveland Orchestra, and the ability to ride his bike to Edgewater Beach.

 

However, other tenants will move in sooner than Wilson, as the lights will go on in April for the first 100 suites to be finished at NRP Group's 307-suite rental community in Cleveland's Detroit-Shoreway Neighborhood. The $30 million project is on a sprawling site bordered by Breakwater Avenue between West 58th and 65th streets. The remaining suites will go on the market as more buildings are finished every few weeks through the fall.

 

MORE:

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20170219/NEWS/170219812/edison-is-enticing-draw-at-gordon-square

This is Saigon Plaza....

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2017/crr02-27-2017.pdf

 

Board of Zoning Appeals

FEBRUARY 27, 2017

9:30

Calendar No. 17-028: 5400 Detroit Avenue Ward 15

Matt Zone

23 Notices

GiaHoa Ryan and Friendship Foundation of American, owners, with Hawken School, a prospective

purchaser propose to develop the site consisting of 9 parcels to be used as an Early Childhood

Learning Center in a C2 Local Retail Business District and a Pedestrian Retail Overlay District. The

appeal is for relief from the strict application of the following sections of the Cleveland Codified

Ordinances:

1. Section 343.23(e)(2) which states that designated Pedestrian Retail Overlay District, the

following are conditional uses that must be approved by the City Planning Commission (B)

Driveways extending across sidewalk; © Institutional use of property: (E) Any use with over

40 feet of frontage along the Pedestrian Retail Street Frontage (Detroit Ave); and (F) Building

with an interior side yard of more than four feet in width.

2. Section 343.23(H) which states that for any nonresidential building or storefront facing a

Pedestrian Retail Street Frontage, not less than sixty percent (60%) of the front façade

between two and one-half (21/2) and seven and one half (71/2) feet in height shall be

composed of transparent windows or doors. Elevation plan required for determination. (Filed

February 1, 2017)

 

Cha looked to be open again when I walked by last night.

 

Maybe the closure wa jut a momentary blip.

With all the apartment developments popping up near the West Shoreway, I figured it was time for RTA to undertake a small-scale investment to tap into them....

 

https://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,4446.msg841952.html#msg841952

With all the apartment developments popping up near the West Shoreway, I figured it was time for RTA to undertake a small-scale investment to tap into them....

 

https://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,4446.msg841952.html#msg841952

 

That's nice.  Right down the tunnel at 76th eh?

 

 

Wait ... is this a done deal or just a proposal?

Just my idea

High-end townhomes and detached houses coming to Detroit Shoreway

 

The Gordon Square Arts District has glittered in the spotlight these days with the airing of LeBron James’ Cleveland Hustles on CNBC. Now locals who previously overlooked the quirky-yet-classic neighborhood are also discovering all it has to offer.

 

The many amenities of the neighborhood are one reason why developer Bo Knez, of Knez Homes decided to build Breakwater Bluffs, 24 single-family detached houses and townhomes located at W. 58th Street and Breakwater Boulevard..

 

“The location is just amazing,” says Knez. “With beach access and Gordon Square nearby, it’s amazing.”

 

Knez plans to break ground on the $10 million project by late April.

 

 

http://www.freshwatercleveland.com/devnews/BreakwaterBluffs031417.aspx

 

 

Public meeting for proposed Lakeside Townhomes:

 

Wednesday, April 19, 2017  6-7:00 pm.

 

Our Lady of Mt. Carmel gym (6928 Detroit)

 

"Vintage Development proposes 20 new townhome units on the parcel outlined in red ( between West 70th and West 73rd). A re-zoning has been requested.  The meeting will consist of a presentation on the proposed new townhomes."

 

 

(provided map shows parcel PPN 002-06-031; it's the northernmost plot just East of 73rd where the factory was demo'd)

Interesting as I thought there was some talk of a higher-density project going in that space. I think it could certainly handle it with the ramp to the 73rd street shoreway entrance being in the front yard, although that would probably not please some Battery Park and West 70th Street residents.

 

My secondary question would be whether this would involve punching through Herman (or any other street) to link the northern part of Gordon Square with Battery Park and the 73rd St. ramp?

^ The higher density stuff is planned to go south of this latest proposal. 

Just watching everything going up in the area and wondering in terms of reuse, what is the latest status of the Westinghouse building?  If empty it would seem logical to be re purposed soon?

Looks like it sold in 2016 to "paramount breakwater properties" which sounds remarkably similar to breakwater bluffs next door. I would be floored if that did not mean that it was purchased by the same developers for a conversion to apartments.

Looks like it sold in 2016 to "paramount breakwater properties" which sounds remarkably similar to breakwater bluffs next door. I would be floored if that did not mean that it was purchased by the same developers for a conversion to apartments.

 

Whoa...Good find! 

 

Anyone have an idea why the sale price on the county site is listed at $0? 

Looks like it sold in 2016 to "paramount breakwater properties" which sounds remarkably similar to breakwater bluffs next door. I would be floored if that did not mean that it was purchased by the same developers for a conversion to apartments.

 

It's a paper transfer. The previous owner was "Nancy J. Kole-trustee." Her address is 27690 Royal Forest Dr, Westlake, OH.

 

The tax mailing address for Paramount-Breakwater Properties is 27690 Royal Forest Dr, Westlake, OH.

 

I could find no incorporation listing with the state for Paramount-Breakwater Properties LLC.

 

Nancy Kole got sole possession of the Westinghouse Building when the previous co-owner, her husband, died about 15 years ago.

 

But even though it is a paper transfer, the addition of the name "Breakwater" suggests she has some intentions for the property that may be related to NRP Group's The Edison, originally named "Breakwater Bluffs" -- a name now used for Knez Homes' 24-unit townhouse development.

 

 

My secondary question would be whether this would involve punching through Herman (or any other street) to link the northern part of Gordon Square with Battery Park and the 73rd St. ramp?

 

iirc, The punch-thru from 73rd to 70th is supposed to happen some time in 2018 at the southern edge of the parcel (roughly where Battery Park Blvd hits 73rd)

Shot of The Edison on the bluff above the breakwater at Edgewater. I liked Breakwater Bluff much better as the name, but oh well.

 

Anyone know what the specific proposed change is and what is motivating it? BTW, the railroad corridor between Battery Park and the Shoreway hasn't been called the Lake Shore & Michigan Southern since it merged with the New York Central & Hudson River RR in 1914!

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2017/04212017/index.php

ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS

Ordinance No. xxx-17(Ward 15/Councilmember Zone): Changing the Use, Area and Height Districts of lands between West 70th Street and West 76th Street, south of the Lake Shore & Michigan Southern RR ROW.

I think vintage is planning on building apartments on some of these parcels. I've heard some of them being over 5 stories.  Don't know much more than that.

Glad to see this is moving forward. But I thought this TOD was supposed to be five or six stories tall?

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2017/04212017/index.php

 

Agenda for April 21, 2017

 

NW2017-008 – Aspen Place Multi-Family Building with 1st-Floor Retail New Construction: Seeking Schematic Design Approval

Project Addresses: 6001-6016 Lorain Avenue

Project Representative: Anya Kucsar, Detroit Shoreway CDO

 

 

 

 

 

 

^Looks like it was 3 stories when you posted the initial images (on page 67 of this thread). The canopies shown in those initial images appear to have been value engineered out, though.

So it is! Probably confusing this project with something else.

It's definitely on the small side for TOD but, hey, we'll take it.  It beats an empty lot, even a pleasant one as this one with trees and grass and is free of trash.  It will at least be a tight configuration hugging both the street and the edge of the open cut overlooking RTA's tracks.  Sure wish other TOD around W. 65th/Eco Village would follow.  The area has a lot of potential.

Anyone know what the specific proposed change is and what is motivating it? BTW, the railroad corridor between Battery Park and the Shoreway hasn't been called the Lake Shore & Michigan Southern since it merged with the New York Central & Hudson River RR in 1914!

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2017/04212017/index.php

ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS

Ordinance No. xxx-17(Ward 15/Councilmember Zone): Changing the Use, Area and Height Districts of lands between West 70th Street and West 76th Street, south of the Lake Shore & Michigan Southern RR ROW.

I think vintage is planning on building apartments on some of these parcels. I've heard some of them being over 5 stories.  Don't know much more than that.

 

Apparently not this....

 

NW2017-011 – Lakeside Townhomes at Battery Park New Construction: Seeking Schematic Design Approval

Project Location: West 73rd Street and West Shoreway

Project Representatives: Chip Marous, Vintage Development Group

Denver Brooker, Vocon

Jason Burick, Vocon

 

 

 

 

A building permit was pulled for an 80 some unit building on the green space in front of cha

At least it's mixed use, looks great to me.

A building permit was pulled for an 80 some unit building on the green space in front of cha

 

Any idea what the address is? I couldn't find the permit using the map feature at: https://www.buildzoom.com

This may have already been mentioned, but is there currently a plan to extend Father Frascati to W. 70th St (just south of the proposed new phase of townhomes)?

Wow: 

 

Michelle Jarboe‏Verified account mjarboe[/member] 3h3 hours ago

 

Chip Marous of Vintage says there's a 38-person waiting list for new units at Battery Park, with current phase of construction wrapping up.

0 replies 1 retweet 3 likes

 

This may have already been mentioned, but is there currently a plan to extend Father Frascati to W. 70th St (just south of the proposed new phase of townhomes)?

 

Not sure, but hoping so. It would help with overall access to Edgewater Park. Detroit Ave could also use a traffic light at W 73.

Looking at the 2nd of the 4 renderings above, it looks like the main car access will be a driveway extension from Frascati, at the corner of W70th.

 

If they do punch through a street between 70th and 73rd, I imagine that would take some traffic away from the intersection at 70th & Detroit (which has a light), and then maybe the light could move to 73rd.  Having lights at both would be a mess IMO.

This may have already been mentioned, but is there currently a plan to extend Father Frascati to W. 70th St (just south of the proposed new phase of townhomes)?

 

Not sure, but hoping so. It would help with overall access to Edgewater Park. Detroit Ave could also use a traffic light at W 73.

 

I thought that I saw a Matt Zone FB post saying that would happen in mid-2018.

 

Can't find it though ... so don't hold me to it 100%

And 73rd definitely needs a stop light now.

And 73rd definitely needs a stop light now.

 

This may have already been mentioned, but is there currently a plan to extend Father Frascati to W. 70th St (just south of the proposed new phase of townhomes)?

 

Not sure, but hoping so. It would help with overall access to Edgewater Park. Detroit Ave could also use a traffic light at W 73.

 

I thought that I saw a Matt Zone FB post saying that would happen in mid-2018.

 

Can't find it though ... so don't hold me to it 100%

 

Good to know. If we are serious about improving all access to the lakefront we've got to keep making it easier to get to (and from) Edgewater Park...we're not there yet. The trick is to find a way to do it that minimizes the impact on the residents. I'm sure they don't want the neighborhood to be clogged with beach traffic. There's got to be a happy medium.

 

Any ideas Dergon?

And 73rd definitely needs a stop light now.

 

This may have already been mentioned, but is there currently a plan to extend Father Frascati to W. 70th St (just south of the proposed new phase of townhomes)?

 

Not sure, but hoping so. It would help with overall access to Edgewater Park. Detroit Ave could also use a traffic light at W 73.

 

I thought that I saw a Matt Zone FB post saying that would happen in mid-2018.

 

Can't find it though ... so don't hold me to it 100%

 

Good to know. If we are serious about improving all access to the lakefront we've got to keep making it easier to get to (and from) Edgewater Park...we're not there yet. The trick is to find a way to do it that minimizes the impact on the residents. I'm sure they don't want the neighborhood to be clogged with beach traffic. There's got to be a happy medium.

 

Any ideas Dergon?

 

Well, the punch through from 70th -73rd somewhere north of Detroit has to happen now since Father Caruso got cut off disconnecting BP from the rest of the bluffs.  I figure just north of the Mobil Martin EMS building is the easiest spot.  (There's a mini-alley there now that I walk through all the time).

 

 

 

Personally I would have preferred the full-on Shoreway Blvd. plan with multiple stop lights along the way connecting all the way from 73rd to the bridge... but that ship has sailed.

 

 

I'm not really an idea guy ... wish I was :)

Personally I would have preferred the full-on Shoreway Blvd. plan with multiple stop lights along the way connecting all the way from 73rd to the bridge... but that ship has sailed.

 

 

Yeah...it's really too bad. The improved shoreway is shaping up nicely. But that original plan would have been transformative.

Personally I would have preferred the full-on Shoreway Blvd. plan with multiple stop lights along the way connecting all the way from 73rd to the bridge... but that ship has sailed.

 

 

Only if we're satisfied with the outcome will a ship have sailed. Many times, a political compromise strengthens the cause for getting more of what the original plan was. The important thing is to keep pushing for the preferred goal. The future hasn't ended. What has been built thus far is a step in the right direction.

Personally I would have preferred the full-on Shoreway Blvd. plan with multiple stop lights along the way connecting all the way from 73rd to the bridge... but that ship has sailed.

 

 

Only if we're satisfied with the outcome will a ship have sailed. Many times, a political compromise strengthens the cause for getting more of what the original plan was. The important thing is to keep pushing for the preferred goal. The future hasn't ended. What has been built thus far is a step in the right direction.

 

KJP looking at the bright side on a Sat am!

 

Indeed it may take a while, but soon people should realize that 35mph is actually a benefit in this instance, and not the draconian inconvenience that it's made out to be.

I'm just saying there's no finish line when it comes to urban and transportation development.

 

The satellite is obviously a bit old (during the construction of the 73rd underpass and before the Demo of the factory). But you can see the little alley just North of Mobil Martin.  That's where the punch through to 70th should be ....imho

The proposed cut through was at battery park blvd, zigging up so that, in the future, it would connect with Herman avenue

Yesterday, Matt Zone posted on Nextdoor that "The extension of Battery Park drive, between W. 70-73 will begin in 2018."

Well, they're trying. Which is more than I can say of the Cleveland Clinic. More than 50 graphics at the link below....

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2017/04272017/index.php

 

CONCEPT PLAN

1.

Case 17-025    (Case 15-072)

Gordon Square Historic District

West Side High School 4600 Detroit Avenue

New Construction

Ward 15

Zone

Ed Shearson

Jeff Henderson

Then Design

Hollie Dellisanti

CMSD

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, I just noticed this project is barely inside the Detroit-Shoreway neighborhood. So I moved it from the Ohio City thread.

Well, at least they improved the design. I still wish they would've sold half the site to a developer and then built their new school with a few extra stories, but it seems too late for that now. I'm glad it looks like they're keeping the entire parking lot in the back, away from Detroit Ave.