Not bad at all, except that it's a high school and therefore closed to the general public.  Unless you attend there it's just a very long object to walk past before you can reach anything of potential interest.  Considering nearby developments, this land has the potential for much more impact as mixed use.  In fact, it's hard to imagine a stretch of land in Cleveland with more mixed use potential than this.

Yesterday, Matt Zone posted on Nextdoor that "The extension of Battery Park drive, between W. 70-73 will begin in 2018."

 

Good. I'm not going crazy then.  :)

 

 

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Terrestrial Brewing Co. to open Friday in Cleveland's Battery Park: First Look (photos, video)

 

We're thinking of hitting the grand open on Friday the 28th :)

I have a prediction:

 

With Terrestrial Brewing opening, parking is going to reach a crisis level in Battery Park.

 

Even on Tuesday night the combination of  the "friends and family" soft open combined with Cha  left zero parking spaces available within a couple of blocks.

 

If it takes off at all and becomes a hot spot the local residents are going to get cranky real fast.

^Don't BP residents all have off-street parking? Or do you mean residents of the older housing?

^Don't BP residents all have off-street parking? Or do you mean residents of the older housing?

 

Even the majority of older housing has off-street parking.

any Edgewater Live Thursday was a glimpse of that..  What needs to happen is these businesses and DSCDO to encourage a more connect neighborhood where people park their cars at Edgewater or up at the square and walk to their desintations.  Imagine that, foot traffic in an urban neighborhood

any Edgewater Live Thursday was a glimpse of that..  What needs to happen is these businesses and DSCDO to encourage a more connect neighborhood where people park their cars at Edgewater or up at the square and walk to their desintations.  Imagine that, foot traffic in an urban neighborhood

 

I've been to many of the Edgewater Live events, and we always park in the BP area. It is an easy walk to Edgewater Park from there through the tunnel.

 

Getting people to park at Edgewater Park, or in one of the parking lots near the heart of W. 65th & Detroit is not going to happen for the businesses that are at/near BP. Why would people want to walk a distance that they do not have too if there is available parking by the establishment they are visiting. It is ones human nature to park near ones destination if possible.

any Edgewater Live Thursday was a glimpse of that..  What needs to happen is these businesses and DSCDO to encourage a more connect neighborhood where people park their cars at Edgewater or up at the square and walk to their desintations.  Imagine that, foot traffic in an urban neighborhood

 

I've been to many of the Edgewater Live events, and we always park in the BP area. It is an easy walk to Edgewater Park from there through the tunnel.

 

Getting people to park at Edgewater Park, or in one of the parking lots near the heart of W. 65th & Detroit is not going to happen for the businesses that are at/near BP. Why would people want to walk a distance that they do not have too if there is available parking by the establishment they are visiting. It is ones human nature to park near ones destination if possible.

 

Human nature - really?

 

 

^I mean, he's right, isn't he? That's kind of besides the point, though, if the nearest parking is full. The question is how far are people willing to walk from where open spaces are. And more broadly, given all the new housing units in easy walking distance, how dependent are these businesses on the potential customers who are too lazy to make that walk. Hopefully not very. One of the goals for neighborhood vibrancy is enough residential density that we can stop worrying so much about providing parking to everyone who wants to drive to these places.

^ I don't think parking falls anywhere within the realm of "human nature."  Americans are generally very lazy and too stupid to figure out how to walk more than 50 feet but it is not human nature.

^Fair enough- I agree. I guess it's more like like "general nature of a plurality of Clevelanders." The willingness to walk and ability to park on streets are skills that, unfortunately, seem to have been killed off in many families by a generation or two of suburban life. Hopefully the influx of middle class residents in some of these central neighborhoods starts to reverse that.

Maybe my experience was highly anectodal, but when I was at Terrestrial on Sunday it seemed like a massive chunk of patrons were residents of BP. Just, like, an endless stream of people wandering in with their dogs. Again, it was likely a bit anecdotal because there was also a decent chunk of parking available.

 

It could at least be indicative of some type of culture shift, even if it's hyper-localized to BP and Edgewater Hill.

any Edgewater Live Thursday was a glimpse of that..  What needs to happen is these businesses and DSCDO to encourage a more connect neighborhood where people park their cars at Edgewater or up at the square and walk to their desintations.  Imagine that, foot traffic in an urban neighborhood

 

I've been to many of the Edgewater Live events, and we always park in the BP area. It is an easy walk to Edgewater Park from there through the tunnel.

 

Getting people to park at Edgewater Park, or in one of the parking lots near the heart of W. 65th & Detroit is not going to happen for the businesses that are at/near BP. Why would people want to walk a distance that they do not have too if there is available parking by the establishment they are visiting. It is ones human nature to park near ones destination if possible.

 

yeah,

any Edgewater Live Thursday was a glimpse of that..  What needs to happen is these businesses and DSCDO to encourage a more connect neighborhood where people park their cars at Edgewater or up at the square and walk to their desintations.  Imagine that, foot traffic in an urban neighborhood

 

I've been to many of the Edgewater Live events, and we always park in the BP area. It is an easy walk to Edgewater Park from there through the tunnel.

 

Getting people to park at Edgewater Park, or in one of the parking lots near the heart of W. 65th & Detroit is not going to happen for the businesses that are at/near BP. Why would people want to walk a distance that they do not have too if there is available parking by the establishment they are visiting. It is ones human nature to park near ones destination if possible.

 

Human nature - really?

 

 

 

Exactly.  break the culture of this car mentality.  Park and walk around the entire neighborhood.  Make it a neighborhood experience..there is so much talent to be enjoyed over there with a different experience at just about every establishment you go to.  I know thats not an easy ask for the random suburban that drives in, wants to cross a place of their bucket list and go home...but i believe that the places in Detroit Shoreway are good enough that they could sustain without the easiest access.

I haven't done any sort of analysis on this. But as it stands today I don't think there is enough parking to accommodate near future, more consistently vibrant version Edgewater Park. Allowing for parking along the Shoreway Blvd would have helped somewhat, but that doesn't seem to be the street we are getting.

 

Nobody on earth wants to see an expanded parking lot at the Park. I suppose parking on the grass is ok for special events but it's not a real or preferable solution.

 

I foresee some growing pains for Gordon Square residents living in the way of the cities main beach access.     

I haven't done any sort of analysis on this. But as it stands today I don't think there is enough parking to accommodate near future, more consistently vibrant version Edgewater Park. Allowing for parking along the Shoreway Blvd would have helped somewhat, but that doesn't seem to be the street we are getting.

 

Nobody on earth wants to see an expanded parking lot at the Park. I suppose parking on the grass is ok for special events but it's not a real or preferable solution.

 

I foresee some growing pains for Gordon Square residents living in the way of the cities main beach access.     

 

Especially with the new tunnel direct connect bridge to the new restaurant/concessions building right at the bottom of W. 76th the combination of park viit + BP business could quickly overwhelm available parking.

 

 

I'm no expert but I do walk that little bit of the neighborhood every day.  Terrestrial doesn't even have signage up yet and it's noticeably more crowded for car parking.

Cleveland's western rim embarks on development boom

 

$350 million in projects are being built or proposed along stretch between West 25th and 117th streets

 

Suave Peter Galvin, who retired a decade ago after a 50-year career in the Cleveland real estate business, organizes trolley tours for friends and professional colleagues of the city of Cleveland. He just added a new leg to the University Circle and downtown Cleveland circuit: the western rim of Cleveland from Ohio City to the Detroit Shoreway neighborhood.

 

"Real estate is on fire over there," said Galvin, whose late father built what's now known as The Sphere apartments downtown.

 

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20170507/NEWS/170509850/clevelands-western-rim-embarks-on-development-boom

I wonder when someone will start building on the lot southeast of Detroit and W. 28th. That seems like the last major puzzle piece for that part of the neighborhood (aside from Lutheran's massive parking lot of course).

I wonder when someone will start building on the lot southeast of Detroit and W. 28th. That seems like the last major puzzle piece for that part of the neighborhood (aside from Lutheran's massive parking lot of course).

 

Or replace Masters Auto Sales on Detroit at West 49th with something more attractive. But I doubt that will happen for a long time now that the new West Side High School appears to be a foregone conclusion.

I wonder when someone will start building on the lot southeast of Detroit and W. 28th. That seems like the last major puzzle piece for that part of the neighborhood (aside from Lutheran's massive parking lot of course).

 

Or replace Masters Auto Sales on Detroit at West 49th with something more attractive. But I doubt that will happen for a long time now that the new West Side High School appears to be a foregone conclusion.

 

The CMSD is making such a huge mistake. 

 

I wonder if the old Midland steel site further up Detroit has been cleaned up enough to have a school?  It would be closer to the red line for students.

The former Midland Steel site is at Madison and West 110th. The city kennel is going to the former Monarch Aluminum plant on Detroit at West 92nd -- another dumb decision of where to put a public building that will stifle neighborhood development. Although the city has "tried" to market the Monarch site but with no takers (same with Midland) thus far.

The former Midland Steel site is at Madison and West 110th. The city kennel is going to the former Monarch Aluminum plant on Detroit at West 92nd -- another dumb decision of where to put a public building that will stifle neighborhood development. Although the city has "tried" to market the Monarch site but with no takers (same with Midland) thus far.

 

It would encourage development if it was designed the right way.

 

Cat cafe's are all the rage. A retail component fronting Detroit Ave. could invite the public to better interact with the animals who are up for adoption. 

The former Midland Steel site is at Madison and West 110th.

 

There was a comment from the councilman that this site potentially has someone lined up in some capacity, but it wasn't far enough along for more details. I'm fearful it'll just be suburban business park style as shown on the Madison corridor development plan.

The former Midland Steel site is at Madison and West 110th.

 

There was a comment from the councilman that this site potentially has someone lined up in some capacity, but it wasn't far enough along for more details. I'm fearful it'll just be suburban business park style as shown on the Madison corridor development plan.

 

I heard something about that, but I was confused as to whether it was this site (Midland) or the cleaned/cleared site next to I-77. From what I'm hearing, it may be both. The industrial/warehousing sector is bursting at the seams right now.

The former Midland Steel site is at Madison and West 110th.

 

There was a comment from the councilman that this site potentially has someone lined up in some capacity, but it wasn't far enough along for more details. I'm fearful it'll just be suburban business park style as shown on the Madison corridor development plan.

 

I heard something about that, but I was confused as to whether it was this site (Midland) or the cleaned/cleared site next to I-77. From what I'm hearing, it may be both. The industrial/warehousing sector is bursting at the seams right now.

 

Hmm, any chance on earth that Cudell will push for an urban street-friendly portion along Madison?

The former Midland Steel site is at Madison and West 110th.

 

There was a comment from the councilman that this site potentially has someone lined up in some capacity, but it wasn't far enough along for more details. I'm fearful it'll just be suburban business park style as shown on the Madison corridor development plan.

 

I heard something about that, but I was confused as to whether it was this site (Midland) or the cleaned/cleared site next to I-77. From what I'm hearing, it may be both. The industrial/warehousing sector is bursting at the seams right now.

 

Hmm, any chance on earth that Cudell will push for an urban street-friendly portion along Madison?

 

I know segments of Madison through the Cudell Improvement service area are pedestrian retail overlay districts. Not sure the specific coverage or if this extends into the DSCDO service area.

 

In terms of the Midland site, I'm not sure how willing they will be to minimize the setbacks.

^ Unfortunately the overlay district does not cover the Midland Steel site's frontage on Madison.

The Detroit road streetscape from lake to 52 is on the planning commission agenda this week but I can't for the life of me find out what, exactly, the streetscape entails. Is Detroit getting rebuilt like the core streetscape? Or is this some sort of half effort? Anybody have any links or renderings or info on what this streetscape looks like? Thanks folks!

I drove through Gordon Square yesterday.  As a past resident, I can attest to how much progress the area has made but still some very obvious weak points. 

 

- The area around Detroit and 78th to 85th remains awful.  Streetscape is terrible, residential & commercial buildings are in bad shape.  Basic code enforcement & cleanup could do a lot

- The new interchange to 73rd is a ghost town.  73rd itself is a total mess.  heaved sections followed by pot holes.  The sidewalk literally goes away to nothing in areas and this is supposed to be the gateway to the lake?  The house at the top of 73rd & Detroit looks like a bombsite.  Again, a dozen visible code violations on a high traffic corner/gateway to the lake is pretty pathetic.  W76th is no better.

 

Not sure what the remaining plans are for this area but it seems to have hit a plateau.  The movie theater & streetscape happened back in 2009.  Battery Park has grown to about 75-85% of it's full plans.  Probably 90% when this apartment building is done.  The 73rd connector was done.  All that aside, I don't see a ton of worthwhile retail happening on Detroit and I don't see many of the homes getting substantial improvements in the surrounding area.  South of Detroit is as bad as ever in some areas.  Franklin/Clinton is holding it's own but not much different from what it was 6 - 8yrs ago.

 

I'm sure I'm missing a lot of the positives but the big stuff seems to have all happened already.

Hey gottaplan! I'm happy to report that you are missing a lot of stuff!

 

1. West 73 is going to undergo a complete streetscape this summer which is why they have left it in pretty rough condition right now

2, Detroit ave is going to undergo a new streetscape as well from 58-78 or so. Not a full streetscape but pretty nice.

3. West 65 is getting some curb bump outs that will be heavily planted

4. New housing is happening all over the place!

-breakwater apts

-two battery park apt buildings plus townhouses

-6 new houses on west 65

-new house on Clinton

-townhouses proposed next to Herman park

-major renovations on at least 10 houses in and around 65/Franklin just in the last year

5. Tons of new businesses! New pizza shop on 65, brewnuts at 65/Detroit, the boiler on Detroit, Astoria

6. Tons more in the next round! The space next to happy dog is for lease, there's slow movement in the commercial buildings that house banter, the LGBT center will be building a new headquarters across the street

7. Check out the latest Gordon square master plan for more details :)

Development is moving east, with The Edison and several smaller townhouse developments in the West 50s. More are coming.

^^^ I think that's a fair assessment for the area.  Although, you are correct that Detroit Avenue drops off quickly going west after around Lake Ave., I think there is some decent momentum going east with new restaurant/retail Astoria around 54th which is slowly connecting D/S to OC along Detroit.  Urban development in Cleveland moves slowly. 

For major home renovations look at:

1881 west 65

1670 w 69

1682 w 69

1686 w 69

1690 w 69

6801 bridge

6914 Franklin

7104 Clinton

1354 w 65

1343 w 65

1454 w 75

1443 w 77

I drove through Gordon Square yesterday.  As a past resident, I can attest to how much progress the area has made but still some very obvious weak points. 

 

- The area around Detroit and 78th to 85th remains awful.  Streetscape is terrible, residential & commercial buildings are in bad shape.  Basic code enforcement & cleanup could do a lot

- The new interchange to 73rd is a ghost town.  73rd itself is a total mess.  heaved sections followed by pot holes.  The sidewalk literally goes away to nothing in areas and this is supposed to be the gateway to the lake?  The house at the top of 73rd & Detroit looks like a bombsite.  Again, a dozen visible code violations on a high traffic corner/gateway to the lake is pretty pathetic.  W76th is no better.

 

Not sure what the remaining plans are for this area but it seems to have hit a plateau.  The movie theater & streetscape happened back in 2009.  Battery Park has grown to about 75-85% of it's full plans.  Probably 90% when this apartment building is done.  The 73rd connector was done.  All that aside, I don't see a ton of worthwhile retail happening on Detroit and I don't see many of the homes getting substantial improvements in the surrounding area.  South of Detroit is as bad as ever in some areas.  Franklin/Clinton is holding it's own but not much different from what it was 6 - 8yrs ago.

 

I'm sure I'm missing a lot of the positives but the big stuff seems to have all happened already.

 

Wow, you sure did miss a lot!  Have you seen the new Detroit Ave streetscape plan that extends from w76th to w52nd? 

 

What in the world????  The neighborhood isn't close to plateauing.  I'd recommend driving thru again when everything isn't closed on a Monday. 

Hey gottaplan! I'm happy to report that you are missing a lot of stuff!

 

1. West 73 is going to undergo a complete streetscape this summer which is why they have left it in pretty rough condition right now

2, Detroit ave is going to undergo a new streetscape as well from 58-78 or so. Not a full streetscape but pretty nice.

3. West 65 is getting some curb bump outs that will be heavily planted

4. New housing is happening all over the place!

-breakwater apts

-two battery park apt buildings plus townhouses

-6 new houses on west 65

-new house on Clinton

-townhouses proposed next to Herman park

-major renovations on at least 10 houses in and around 65/Franklin just in the last year

5. Tons of new businesses! New pizza shop on 65, brewnuts at 65/Detroit, the boiler on Detroit, Astoria

6. Tons more in the next round! The space next to happy dog is for lease, there's slow movement in the commercial buildings that house banter, the LGBT center will be building a new headquarters across the street

7. Check out the latest Gordon square master plan for more details :)

 

I'll add a few to your list.  3 new townhomes coming to Franklin and 58th:  http://www.howardhanna.com/Property/Detail/5720-Franklin-Blvd-Cleveland-OH-44102/NorthernOH/3868464

 

9 new builds coming to 52nd and Franklin: http://www.knez.net/neighborhoods/w-52nd-franklin-7163

 

Aspen place:  http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20170421/NEWS/170429930/aspen-place-project-moves-forward-on-citys-west-side

 

^exactly!  I would say that with the apartments and townhomes getting close to completion, this area is about to experience the next wave of development.  Friend of mine is about to build on W61st.  But I also agree that urban development in this town happens PAINFULLY slow.....

In my personal observation on the block of W81 between Franklin and Detroit at least four houses have either been extensively restored or painted/fixed up/lightly renovated within the past year. Listing prices for houses in the West Eighties also seem to be bumping upward, so there are some growing undercurrents in that area.

I drove through Gordon Square yesterday.  As a past resident, I can attest to how much progress the area has made but still some very obvious weak points. 

 

- The area around Detroit and 78th to 85th remains awful.  Streetscape is terrible, residential & commercial buildings are in bad shape.  Basic code enforcement & cleanup could do a lot

- The new interchange to 73rd is a ghost town.  73rd itself is a total mess.  heaved sections followed by pot holes.  The sidewalk literally goes away to nothing in areas and this is supposed to be the gateway to the lake?  The house at the top of 73rd & Detroit looks like a bombsite.  Again, a dozen visible code violations on a high traffic corner/gateway to the lake is pretty pathetic.  W76th is no better.

 

Not sure what the remaining plans are for this area but it seems to have hit a plateau.  The movie theater & streetscape happened back in 2009.  Battery Park has grown to about 75-85% of it's full plans.  Probably 90% when this apartment building is done.  The 73rd connector was done.  All that aside, I don't see a ton of worthwhile retail happening on Detroit and I don't see many of the homes getting substantial improvements in the surrounding area.  South of Detroit is as bad as ever in some areas.  Franklin/Clinton is holding it's own but not much different from what it was 6 - 8yrs ago.

 

I'm sure I'm missing a lot of the positives but the big stuff seems to have all happened already.

 

Wow, you sure did miss a lot!  Have you seen the new Detroit Ave streetscape plan that extends from w76th to w52nd? 

 

What in the world????  The neighborhood isn't even close to plateauing.  Drive thru again when everything isn't closed on a Monday. 

 

I have not seen the plan, but that is good news.  Also good news about the new development on 65th - I always thought that street was a gem.  Also good news on streetscape for 73rd

Development is moving east, with The Edison and several smaller townhouse developments in the West 50s. More are coming.

 

The "connector" vision to Ohio city and downtown is coming along!

^^^ I think that's a fair assessment for the area.  Although, you are correct that Detroit Avenue drops off quickly going west after around Lake Ave., I think there is some decent momentum going east with new restaurant/retail Astoria around 54th which is slowly connecting D/S to OC along Detroit.  Urban development in Cleveland moves slowly. 

 

There is a TOD meeting for West Blvd Red Line station coming up on June 20.  I'm not holding my breath,  but at least someone is considering a future that could lead to new residential and retail through that strip. 

I posted my reply here:

 

https://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,27421.msg858622.html#msg858622

On May 15, Omni Land Development LLC acquired a plat deed for 26 parcels without house numbers on Father Caruso (7), West 58th (9), West 65th (3), and Breakwater (7). Anyone know what this is about and who Omni is? Most of the acquisitions show no prior owners. This one was an exception......

 

BREAKWATER AVE

CLEVELAND

Sales Date 5/15/2017

Amount $0

Buyer OMNI LAND DEVELOPMENT LLC

Seller TRIBAN INVESTMENT, LLC

Deed type QUIT CLAIM

Land value $368,900

Building value $0

Total value $368,900

Parcel 002-11-008

Property Apartments 40 or more units (elevator)

^ The registered agent address for Omni Land Development shown on the Secretary of State's website is the same as Knez Homes' address. It looks like Knez is moving west out of Ohio City and into Detroit-Shoreway.

Those parcels were broken off from the larger breakwater development to satisfy some neighborhood concerns. Townhomes and single family are proposed. You can see renderings in zillow.

Soon....

 

Those parcels were broken off from the larger breakwater development to satisfy some neighborhood concerns. Townhomes and single family are proposed. You can see renderings in zillow.

 

So that would be this:

https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/pmf,pf_pt/41.488724,-81.730064_ll/globalrelevanceex_sort/41.490429,-81.727926,41.487973,-81.732539_rect/17_zm/

 

And this?

https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/pmf,pf_pt/41.489201,-81.730232_ll/globalrelevanceex_sort/41.490429,-81.727925,41.487974,-81.732539_rect/17_zm/

 

As well as these site graphics....

 

Board of Zoning Appeals

JULY 3, 2017

 

9:30

Calendar No. 17-172: 5807 Detroit Rd. Ward 15

Matt Zone

20 Notices

Gazde LLC., owner, proposes to change the use from retail store to bar and restaurant use in a C2

Local Retail Business District and a Pedestrian Retail Overlay District. The owner appeals for relief

from the strict application of Section 349.04(f) of the Cleveland Codified Ordinances which states that

11 parking spaces are required. (Filed June 8, 2017)

^ That could be the ugliest building in Gordon Square. Glad to see the place get some good use however. It's been looking downright foreboding for the last ten years or so.

The address certainly wouldn't be Detroit ROAD.

Anyone know what's going on with the building just east of Minh Anh? Scaffolding out front and signs of exterior renovation.

^i don't know, but if it affects my ability to get pad Thai there will be hell to pay