On 3/20/2019 at 12:48 PM, Clefan98 said:

 

That car lot is getting purchased by the good folks at Forest City Shuffleboard. They're going to build a mixed-used development there, and have plans to build on the site where Steve's Lunch once stood.

 

The same group also bought the Santiago's car shop on Bridge and 47th. Their plans show 12 townhomes, which should be made public in the next week or so. 

 

 

 

NW 2019-010West 47thStreet Townhomes -Schematic Approval(C)

4705 Bridge Avenue Project Representative -Hanna Cohan Plesser, Knez Homes

New construction townhome project at the corner of 47th and Bridge.

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2019/PDF/NW-Agenda-5_8_19.pdf

4 hours ago, jborger said:

There's a For Sale sign in front of A1 Luxury Cars at the corner of West 49th and Detroit. Hopefully it gets redeveloped into something other than a used car lot! 

 

It's still owned by Chelala Investments (dba 4910 Detroit LLC) or its predecessor, Pierre Chelala, as it has since 1988. Hopefully that will change soon -- but only if he is interested in getting paid, not getting rich.

Until he lowers his price, it's not going anywhere. Was asking 2.9 mil as of a few weeks ago

2 hours ago, zbaris87 said:

Until he lowers his price, it's not going anywhere. Was asking 2.9 mil as of a few weeks ago

 

Maybe CMSD will snatch it up to build another school....?

Mu Nu Properties is owned by Hartwell Mueller of Hip Cle Properties...

 

Calendar No. 19-94: 5010 Lorain Ave. Ward 15 Matt Zone 26 Notices MUNU Properties, owner, proposes to renovate and use as a restaurant and 2 apartments in a G2 Limited Retail Business District and an Urban Form Overlay District. The owner appeals for relief from the strict application of the following section of the Cleveland Codified Ordinances: 3. Section 348.04(d)(4) which states that 5 parking spaces are required and none are shown on the plan. 4. Section 348 which states that approval of Landmarks Commission is required. (Filed May 6, 2019)

 

5010 Lorain is one parcel from the intersection, with the sign "PM Security". The vacant parcel at the corner was bought earlier this year by Audrey Epcot LLC, aka James Miketo of Forest City Shuffleboard.

 

 

How about rezoning for multi-family high-rises north of Lake, along the railroad tracks, overlooking Edgewater Park?

 

Lake Avenue Master Plan Public Meeting

May 29 at 6:00 PM - 8:00 PM

78th Street Studios

1305 W. 80th Street, Cleveland, Ohio 44102

https://www.facebook.com/events/78th-street-studios/lake-avenue-master-plan-public-meeting/409040432996292/

FRIDAY, MAY 24, 2019

Seeds & Sprouts - Early intel on real estate projects

This is the first edition of Seeds & Sprouts - Early intelligence on Cleveland-area real estate projects. Because these projects are very early in their process of development or just a long-range plan, a lot can and probably will change their final shape, use and outcome.

 

 

Detroit-Shoreway: Lake Avenue gap-filling

As investment in redevelopment pushes west along Detroit Avenue and the lakefront toward the well-kept Edgewater neighborhood, a gap of investment remains in the middle. Specifically, the section of Lake Avenue between Detroit Avenue and Clifton Boulevard has been left out of the revitalization of the west side's lakefront. So far...

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/05/seeds-sprouts-early-intel-on-real.html

On 5/22/2019 at 4:43 PM, KJP said:

How about rezoning for multi-family high-rises north of Lake, along the railroad tracks, overlooking Edgewater Park?

 

Lake Avenue Master Plan Public Meeting

May 29 at 6:00 PM - 8:00 PM

78th Street Studios

1305 W. 80th Street, Cleveland, Ohio 44102

https://www.facebook.com/events/78th-street-studios/lake-avenue-master-plan-public-meeting/409040432996292/

 

I would love to go to this meeting tonight and urge high-rise housing in the current industrial triangle north of Lake Avenue, south of the tracks, and west of Battery Park. But my son is giving a presentation for his STEM curriculum at the exact same time. Will anyone be going to the Lake Avenue presentation? Is anyone willing to offer a public input for developing high-rise housing?

The meeting was almost exclusively related to re-configuring the street to make it more pedestrian/bike friendly, as well as beginning work to rehab the area around the dilapidated Norfolk Southern rail bridge.  The current plan adds green-painted bike lanes (plus a small buffer) on both sides of the street + crosswalks at 78th and 85th. 

 

They are taking public feedback at this link: http://cleveland.mindmixer.com/

 

PDF of Current Proposal here: http://content.mindmixer.com/Live/Projects/cleveland/files/228425/2019-05-29 Lake Ave Public Mtg 2_FINAL-sm.pdf?636947533608830000

I really like this plan. Additionally, I'm super hopeful that this redesign, combined with the, albeit short, protected bike lane that was added to Western Ave can be used as benchmarks for an eventual redesign of Detroit Ave between West Boulevard and the railroad bridge. That stretch is a nightmare.

Is there any funding for this plan?

17 minutes ago, RMB said:

Is there any funding for this plan?

Page 5 of the planning study suggestions that funding still has to be secured.

57 minutes ago, RMB said:

Is there any funding for this plan?

If I remember correctly, they have $150,000 set for initial basic improvements, aka Phase I, on page 33 of the PDF.

There is $150K for initial improvements, mostly surrounding the decrepit rail bridge (though not directly on the bridge, since that is privately owned by N/S).  

 

Zone said Lake Ave is slated to be re-paved in 2021 for the section between Detroit and Clifton, but that didn't seem to include any of the elements seen in the presentation.  Once they  finalize this plan, it will be submitted for approval and then they'll work to secure funding.  So it's probably more of a 3-5 year horizon, while fully restoring the bridge will likely take longer. 

58 minutes ago, ML11 said:

There is $150K for initial improvements, mostly surrounding the decrepit rail bridge (though not directly on the bridge, since that is privately owned by N/S).  

 

Zone said Lake Ave is slated to be re-paved in 2021 for the section between Detroit and Clifton, but that didn't seem to include any of the elements seen in the presentation.  Once they  finalize this plan, it will be submitted for approval and then they'll work to secure funding.  So it's probably more of a 3-5 year horizon, while fully restoring the bridge will likely take longer. 

Well that’s depressing. Lake Ave being the gateway into the neighborhood from the west burbs..... This street needs repaved yesterday. 2021?  That’s not really acceptable. That street is in such bad shape right now.

On the positive side, that gives time to gather funding to do the type of street redesign to make more of a complete street.

An idea that I’ve had that I think would truly be something that’s transformative would be to create a traffic circle where Lake, Detroit, 75th,76th, and 77th come together. So much vacant land there. Use eminent domain to take out the gas station and Burger King. That should be a thriving intersection. I attached a rough mock-up. If anyone here has the skills to do a more professional looking overlay that’d be sweet. If we got 3 years, I wanna push this.

Edited May 31, 20196 yr by marty15

^ Nice idea, but I'd much rather see all that vacant space developed with mixed use right up to the current sidewalk, like E 55th. and Hamlet Ave in Slavic Village:

 

33 minutes ago, marty15 said:

An idea that I’ve had that I think would truly be something that’s transformative would be to create a traffic circle where Lake, Detroit, 75th,76th, and 77th come together. So much vacant land there. Use eminent domain to take out the gas station and Burger King. That should be a thriving intersection. I attached a rough mock-up. If anyone here has the skills to do a more professional looking overlay that’d be sweet. If we got 3 years, I wanna push this.

 I like the idea of a round about, they are really under utilized...  looking at your drawing though i think it can be done with out removing the surrounding businesses...  i am not opposed to removing them but i think it can be done without.

I really would just love to see more dense development in place of the BK and gas station. That Burger King has like 70+ parking spaces. Would love to see an Uptown esqe development around that intersection. 

I was thinking a park with a fountain where the gas station is, and a fully developed playground where the old Watterson-Lake elementary school building was.

Getting gas is kind of a pain on the near west side. If that station was gone it would be rather inconvenient for me.

There is another (in my opinion, better) gas station a little over a half mile away at Clifton/Baltic

2 minutes ago, KJP said:

I was thinking a park with a fountain where the gas station is, and a fully developed playground where the old Watterson-Lake elementary school building was.

How about a fountain in the roundabout? Redevelop the building behind the GS..... Cut out openings and add balconies to the side of that storage building looking out on the circle. 

I used to get so depressed thinking about this intersection and the hurdles that would need to be overcome to eliminate the gas station, burger king, and happy's chicken and build a truly vibrant intersection...I also used to have that same thought for the plaza across from the West Side Market though and look where that is going...Miracles do happen. 

2 minutes ago, YO to the CLE said:

I used to get so depressed thinking about this intersection and the hurdles that would need to be overcome to eliminate the gas station, burger king, and happy's chicken and build a truly vibrant intersection...I also used to have that same thought for the plaza across from the West Side Market though and look where that is going...Miracles do happen. 

Same

The lady who owns the BK lives in Boca Raton, has no interest in selling, and doesn’t give a damn about the neighborhood. I’m not the biggest fan of using eminent domain, though I would be in this case.

4 hours ago, marty15 said:

How about a fountain in the roundabout? Redevelop the building behind the GS..... Cut out openings and add balconies to the side of that storage building looking out on the circle. 

I really like this idea. Gordon Square may need some “breathing room” if all the proposed developments happen. Found this stock image that could be a model: 

45 minutes ago, Cleveland Trust said:

I really like this idea. Gordon Square may need some “breathing room” if all the proposed developments happen. Found this stock image that could be a model: 

If NYC traffic can handle it..... I seriously think it’d really help tie things together. Sit at that intersection and you really see how much space there is to work with.  Let’s not just do new pavement and crosswalks. So tired of the ordinary.

22 hours ago, marty15 said:

An idea that I’ve had that I think would truly be something that’s transformative would be to create a traffic circle where Lake, Detroit, 75th,76th, and 77th come together. So much vacant land there. Use eminent domain to take out the gas station and Burger King. That should be a thriving intersection. I attached a rough mock-up. If anyone here has the skills to do a more professional looking overlay that’d be sweet. If we got 3 years, I wanna push this.

Just sketched up a plan based on your roundabout idea and thought a giant sculpture by Jaume Plensa facing east would be a nice anchor for this new Gordon Square public space. Drop a world class piece of art into a blighted intersection dominated by a Burger King parking lot and watch what happens. I think it could be a needed catalyst for the west end to catch fire.

28 minutes ago, Cleveland Trust said:

Just sketched up a plan based on your roundabout idea and thought a giant sculpture by Jaume Plensa facing east would be a nice anchor for this new Gordon Square public space. Drop a world class piece of art into a blighted intersection dominated by a Burger King parking lot and watch what happens. I think it could be a needed catalyst for the west end to catch fire.

I love it!  

How’s St. John Circle sound? In tribute to the old St. John hospital around the corner. Now St. Augustine.

I had time so I did a 3D sketch of the roundabout as St. John’s Circle. I’m thinking a little public infrastructure spending and a big splash landmark sculpture could have a big spillover effect for development. 

6 minutes ago, Cleveland Trust said:

I had time so I did a 3D sketch of the roundabout as St. John’s Circle. I’m thinking a little public infrastructure spending and a big splash landmark sculpture could have a big spillover effect for development. 

Keep it coming! When I get a chance to sit down this weekend I’m gonna dig in a little deeper. Thinking a protected bike lane around the outer perimeter is also imperative.

20 hours ago, marty15 said:

If NYC traffic can handle it..... I seriously think it’d really help tie things together. Sit at that intersection and you really see how much space there is to work with.  Let’s not just do new pavement and crosswalks. So tired of the ordinary.

As someone who works directly above this clusterphuck, I can tell you it's worse than it appears to be.  I cant tell you the amount of times, a pedestrian has been hit or an automobile has run a light or almost hit someone because a cross walk gives a pedestrian the impression they could cross while traffic is on coming.  I'm not a fan of circles, especially those in DC!

For the central sculpture I wonder if we could get Jaume Plensa to do a bust of Masumi  Hayashi. Her studio was at this intersection.

Edited June 1, 20196 yr by Cleveland Trust
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31 minutes ago, MyTwoSense said:

As someone who works directly above this clusterphuck, I can tell you it's worse than it appears to be.  I cant tell you the amount of times, a pedestrian has been hit or an automobile has run a light or almost hit someone because a cross walk gives a pedestrian the impression they could cross while traffic is on coming.  I'm not a fan of circles, especially those in DC!

Agreed. There isn’t even a traffic argument for this. A traffic circle would add a lot of pavement to this intersection, as well as eat up a lot of the developable land. The interiors are generally rather inaccessible and unpleasant, becoming more of a driver amenity (something interesting to look at), rather than a pedestrian amenity or neighborhood asset. I agree with @Mendo and would much rather see a pedestrian friendly urban intersection similar to East 55th and Broadway. 

American roundabouts shouldn’t be used as examples. As well as using examples from incredibly dense and congested urban areas.

 

This isn’t for downtown, it’s a Cleveland neighborhood. They’ve also been show to reduce accidents and improve traffic flow and reduce speeds. You can’t ever be t-boned or hit head on.

 

Take a trip to Europe, France specifically, and come back and comment. As far as wasting undeveloped space? Have you seen how much pavement is at that intersection as is?? Just cutting into the triangle where the gas station is would be the largest loss. Unless someone is proposing a flat iron building there, a good part of that point isn’t largely usable. 

Realignment of the side streets to square up better with the circle would also make for great opportunities to add patios and public spaces to the side and front of the bank and laundromat buildings. 

2 minutes ago, marty15 said:

American roundabouts shouldn’t be used as examples. As well as using examples from incredibly dense and congested urban areas.

 

This isn’t for downtown, it’s a Cleveland neighborhood. They’ve also been show to reduce accidents and improve traffic flow and reduce speeds. You can’t ever be t-boned or hit head on.

 

Take a trip to Europe, France specifically, and come back and comment. As far as wasting undeveloped space? Have you seen how much pavement is at that intersection as is?? Just cutting into the triangle where the gas station is would be the largest loss. Unless someone is proposing a flat iron building there, a good part of that point isn’t largely usable. 

I believe and understand it's for a neighborhood.  There can be other ways to calm traffic other than a round about.  I would prefer to see better transit development than street redesign for automobiles.

 

Saying, "take a trip to Europe...." is extremely condescending and belittling, even if that was not your intent. As a reader of this comment, it implies that someone is not worldly nor have they been exposed to different things, cities or experiences, which is far from normal with people here on UrbanOhio.   I lived in London for a time and I've been to Europe, personally and professionally, more times than I can count.  That still does not change my opinion of roundabouts/traffic circles.

 

7 minutes ago, MyTwoSense said:

I believe and understand it's for a neighborhood.  There can be other ways to calm traffic other than a round about.  I would prefer to see better transit development than street redesign for automobiles.

 

Saying, "take a trip to Europe...." is extremely condescending and belittling, even if that was not your intent. As a reader of this comment, it implies that someone is not worldly nor have they been exposed to different things, cities or experiences, which is far from normal with people here on UrbanOhio.   I lived in London for a time and I've been to Europe, personally and professionally, more times than I can count.  That still does not change my opinion of roundabouts/traffic circles.

 

Sorry for sounding condescending. That wasn’t the intent. Trying to make the point that they work very well in Europe. All we’re getting is a street redesign for automobiles as far as this intersection goes.

 

You could at least provide a bike lane buffer/island on the perimeter of a roundabout.  And status quo means we’ll get to keep the Burger King and gas station for the foreseeable future. And draw nothing else to what should be a dynamic focal point. 

It’s a non functional mishmash of an intersection as is. Just look where 75th, 76th, and 77th all come into Detroit and Lake. It’s a mess. A roundabout fixes all of it. It’s no wonder no one will mess with the land around it. 

11 minutes ago, marty15 said:

It’s a non functional mishmash of an intersection as is. Just look where 75th, 76th, and 77th all come into Detroit and Lake. It’s a mess. A roundabout fixes all of it. It’s no wonder no one will mess with the land around it. 

Why do you feel a roundabout/traffic circle is the only solution?  

1 minute ago, MyTwoSense said:

Why do you feel a roundabout/traffic circle is the only solution?  

I’m open to other ideas. I haven’t seen anything other than resurfacing the current intersection.

21 minutes ago, marty15 said:

I’m open to other ideas. I haven’t seen anything other than resurfacing the current intersection.

If you wanted to do anything I would suggest reducing the amount of pavement on the intersection. Reduce Lake to 25ft, one lane in each direction. On the south side of the street create a two way 10 ft bike lane with a 5ft landscaped buffer from traffic. 

I like the idea of a roundabout with a fountain and/or statue because it is placemaking that calms traffic, provides a spark for development, and it provides a legal basis for taking neighborhood-deflating properties from neighborhood-deflating owners. 

10 minutes ago, KJP said:

I like the idea of a roundabout with a fountain and/or statue because it is placemaking that calms traffic, provides a spark for development, and it provides a legal basis for taking neighborhood-deflating properties from neighborhood-deflating owners. 

“and it provides a legal basis for taking neighborhood-deflating properties from neighborhood-deflating owners. “ 

 

Thats the biggest thing imo ^^^^^

 

All aboard the roundabout! 

 

Pun intended*

 

 

16 minutes ago, KJP said:

I like the idea of a roundabout with a fountain and/or statue because it is placemaking that calms traffic, provides a spark for development, and it provides a legal basis for taking neighborhood-deflating properties from neighborhood-deflating owners. 

Gain control, put out RFPs for surrounding vacant land.

 

 That intersection is like a linchpin for the upper west side. 

22 minutes ago, marty15 said:

“and it provides a legal basis for taking neighborhood-deflating properties from neighborhood-deflating owners. “ 

 

Thats the biggest thing imo ^^^^^

 

All aboard the roundabout! 

 

Pun intended*

 

 

 

But that's the part that no one can officially say to justify the project. 

5 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

But that's the part that no one can officially say to justify the project. 

And that’s okay.