February 20, 200916 yr Dripping with putdowns? Don't think so. Just cause someone makes a reference to asphalt and garbage doesn't mean it's a putdown. That is what these plants are replacing-it's just a fact.
February 21, 200916 yr I agree with jeremy, sometimes you have to speak of the bad, sooty past in order to emphasize the future good.
February 21, 200916 yr Fair enough. But I dispute the accuracy of Detroit-Shoreway being "one of the grittier West Side neighborhoods" and terms like "cold-cocked communities" and "eyesores" seems a bit overreaching, too. Probably just a matter of taste, but the writing strikes me as way hyperbolic.
February 25, 200916 yr Gordon Square Arts District is requesting 30,000,000 in stimulus money. The Gordon Square Arts District (GSAD) is a national model demonstrating how the arts are a catalyst for economic development. It is a unique collaboration of three nonprofits — Cleveland Public Theatre, the Detroit Shoreway Community Development Organization and Near West Theatre — in a $30 million capital campaign to revitalize Cleveland’s West Side. This project involves the installation of energy‐efficient roofs on the three buildings to be constructed/renovated and installation of a geothermal heating system. All three buildings will be LEED certified. Economic Impact: (1) 25 new businesses have located in the GSAD since 2006; (2) GSAD construction activity will create 2,054 jobs and a total economic output of $258 million in Cuyahoga County from 2008 through 2010. That investment will create a minimum of 369 permanent jobs and stimulate increased job opportunity for years to come; (3) GSAD will leverage more than $500 million of real estate and economic development activity in the Detroit Shoreway neighborhood. Renovation of the Capitol Theatre (the initiative’s economic engine) and the streetscape has begun with anticipated completion by fall 2009. http://recovery.ohio.gov/docs/02_23_09_Submitted_Requests.pdf
February 25, 200916 yr Gordon Square also just put up an updated newsletter on their website ... http://gordonsquare.org/newsletters/GSAD_Enewsletter_issue6.pdf. According to the update, underground street work should now be complete. Sidewalk widening and removal of utility poles is scheduled for late March. There's no end-date for the streetscape improvement, public art elements or new bus shelters, but the streetscape project is apparently app. 25% done. Meanwhile, work in the Capitol is more than 50% complete, including replacement of the roof and the HVAC system and most of the work on the two smaller theaters (and some framing elsewhere in the building). They are scheduled for an October "gala opening". Work has not begun on CPT or NWT and does not sound like it will until full funding is secured ... they've apparently passed the halfway point of their $30 million goal, but it's unclear how close they are. The newsletter also mentions that Joy Roller will be focusing more of her time on securing federal funding, which I guess explains the above request.
February 25, 200916 yr ^^ It appears to me like Gordon Square is only requesting $6.5 million in stimulus funds ... $1.5 million toward the overall $30 million project, $5 million of an app. $7.8 million parking garage. Then Marous Brothers is requesting an additional $200,000 toward the CPT part of the project. I haven't heard anything about the parking garage ... I thought it was all surface parking expansion! This would be a garage adjacent to the theater and would include secure bike parking and spaces for car-share, according to the stimulus application summary.
February 25, 200916 yr ^^ It appears to me like Gordon Square is only requesting $6.5 million in stimulus funds ... $1.5 million toward the overall $30 million project, $5 million of an app. $7.8 million parking garage. Then Marous Brothers is requesting an additional $200,000 toward the CPT part of the project. I haven't heard anything about the parking garage ... I thought it was all surface parking expansion! This would be a garage adjacent to the theater and would include secure bike parking and spaces for car-share, according to the stimulus application summary. Marous is requesting 10 million for CPT if I read it right.
February 26, 200916 yr ^ I could totally be reading the numbers incorrectly. I'm using the list of data that the PD has provided (http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2009/02/ohio_has_received_billions_in.html). There, it lists "Total project cost" at $10,500,000 for Marous' work at CPT and "Estimated stimulus amount" at $200,000. I had guessed that this second amount was the request amount, since no decisions about the stimulus disbursement have been made yet. But that could be a total misread on my part.
February 26, 200916 yr ^^ It appears to me like Gordon Square is only requesting $6.5 million in stimulus funds ... $1.5 million toward the overall $30 million project, $5 million of an app. $7.8 million parking garage. Then Marous Brothers is requesting an additional $200,000 toward the CPT part of the project. I haven't heard anything about the parking garage ... I thought it was all surface parking expansion! This would be a garage adjacent to the theater and would include secure bike parking and spaces for car-share, according to the stimulus application summary. Thats how I read it as well. They should have shown both the cost and stimulus request on the table, otherwise you have to open each item to see the requested amount. By the way the parking garage is expected to create 2,462 jobs. Wow!
February 26, 200916 yr ^^ It appears to me like Gordon Square is only requesting $6.5 million in stimulus funds ... $1.5 million toward the overall $30 million project, $5 million of an app. $7.8 million parking garage. Then Marous Brothers is requesting an additional $200,000 toward the CPT part of the project. I haven't heard anything about the parking garage ... I thought it was all surface parking expansion! This would be a garage adjacent to the theater and would include secure bike parking and spaces for car-share, according to the stimulus application summary. Thats how I read it as well. They should have shown the cost and stimulus request on the table, otherwise you have to open each item to see the requested amount. By the way the parking garage is expected to create 2,462 jobs. Wow! My bad. I read it wrong. Thanks
March 7, 200916 yr http://www.cleveland.com/westsidesun/news/index.ssf?/base/news-0/1236263849228150.xml&coll=4 Stimulus grant sought for parking garage at Gordon Square Arcade in Cleveland Thursday, March 05, 2009 By Ken Prendergast [email protected] West Side Sun News Plans for a parking garage behind the Gordon Square Arcade at Detroit Avenue and West 65th Street could soon become a reality if federal stimulus funds are awarded to it. Proposed is an $8 million parking deck for 274 cars which could be partially paid for with a $5 million stimulus infrastructure grant. The free-access deck would replace a surface parking lot. To increase the chances of their application getting approved, project sponsors want the structure to be more than just a parking garage. Ward 17 Councilman Matt Zone said the parking deck would be available as a park-n-ride area during the day, so people could leave their cars for free and take the bus to work. Or, they could park their bicycles in a proposed bike lock-up area. Zone also said he wants to lease a planned 10,000-square-foot retail space on the ground level for a complementary business. He suggested it could be a bike station with lockers, bathrooms and bicycle maintenance services. Another business which could locate there is a car-sharing company such as City Wheels that might put their cars there, Zone said. ......... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 17, 200916 yr ^Wow, grate! :clap: I like that area a lot but there's so little parking whenever I visit it. And public transportation? Yeah right, haha. So this sounds like a grate kewl plan :angel:
March 17, 200916 yr ^Wow, grate! :clap: I like that area a lot but there's so little parking whenever I visit it. And public transportation? Yeah right, haha. So this sounds like a grate kewl plan :angel: Can you explain that?
March 17, 200916 yr the smileys and chat spellings hint at sarcasm If it's sarcasm, that would be "grate"
March 17, 200916 yr I had heard that the parking garage would serve as an expansion platform for the theater. Cleveland Cinemas (the company who will run the theater) feels that a three screen theater will struggle. They'd like to add 2 more screens. They'd put them on top of the parking garage. This info is not directly from the horse's mouth.
March 17, 200916 yr Unless they are thinking in terms of "future home of the Cleveland film fest" it seems like overkill, especially if they were only going to be an "art" theatre house. Theres too many other theatre options showing regular films.
March 17, 200916 yr Unless they are thinking in terms of "future home of the Cleveland film fest" it seems like overkill, especially if they were only going to be an "art" theatre house. Theres too many other theatre options showing regular films. Not in cleveland proper, especially that area. Where in the northwest area of the city can you walk or drive in less than 5 minutes to a movie theatre?
March 17, 200916 yr Yea I guess. Maybe i was thinking Tower City and the multiple ones planned for the FEB (oops). Otherwise Detroit road in Lakewood, and the planned makeover of the ones on Lorain Rd for movies. If all this was indeed happening I would think it was overkill and that Detroit Shoreway would be best to be the "Cedar Lee" west
March 17, 200916 yr Unless they are thinking in terms of "future home of the Cleveland film fest" it seems like overkill, especially if they were only going to be an "art" theatre house. Theres too many other theatre options showing regular films. Would the Cedar Lee survive if it only had three screens? I don't think so.
March 17, 200916 yr Do they have more than 3, I didnt realize, and I didnt think their draw was their main stream movies.
March 17, 200916 yr Well then, I guess they should go for it, especially if it would be done using stimulous funds (Im guessing that was the impetus for the idea, since last I knew I thought there was still a gap in funding for just the current theatre).
March 17, 200916 yr I had been concerned about only three screens myself-- I really think there is quite a bit of demand for an art cinema on the Westside. While I do love going to the Cedar-Lee, I don't enjoy driving out to the middle of the east side for it. Draw from Tremont, Ohio City, Lakewood, and of course D-S should be strong.
March 17, 200916 yr I had been concerned about only three screens myself-- I really think there is quite a bit of demand for an art cinema on the Westside. While I do love going to the Cedar-Lee, I don't enjoy driving out to the middle of the east side for it. Draw from Tremont, Ohio City, Lakewood, and of course D-S should be strong. BK, where do you live and how is CH the "middle of the eastside"? I agree there could be strong draw for art movies and general releases in that area. Those theatres will spawn other restaurants, small shops and neighborhood needs.
March 17, 200916 yr I had been concerned about only three screens myself-- I really think there is quite a bit of demand for an art cinema on the Westside. While I do love going to the Cedar-Lee, I don't enjoy driving out to the middle of the east side for it. Draw from Tremont, Ohio City, Lakewood, and of course D-S should be strong. BK, where do you live and how is CH the "middle of the eastside"? I agree there could be strong draw for art movies and general releases in that area. Those theatres will spawn other restaurants, small shops and neighborhood needs. When the eastside starts at the Cuyahoga! :-D :-D
March 17, 200916 yr I had been concerned about only three screens myself-- I really think there is quite a bit of demand for an art cinema on the Westside. While I do love going to the Cedar-Lee, I don't enjoy driving out to the middle of the east side for it. Draw from Tremont, Ohio City, Lakewood, and of course D-S should be strong. BK, where do you live and how is CH the "middle of the eastside"? I agree there could be strong draw for art movies and general releases in that area. Those theatres will spawn other restaurants, small shops and neighborhood needs. When the eastside starts at the Cuyahoga! ;D ;D
March 17, 200916 yr I had been concerned about only three screens myself-- I really think there is quite a bit of demand for an art cinema on the Westside. While I do love going to the Cedar-Lee, I don't enjoy driving out to the middle of the east side for it. Draw from Tremont, Ohio City, Lakewood, and of course D-S should be strong. BK, where do you live and how is CH the "middle of the eastside"? I agree there could be strong draw for art movies and general releases in that area. Those theatres will spawn other restaurants, small shops and neighborhood needs. Ah, are you really arguing that the corner of Cedar and Lee cannot be considered the middle of the east side? That intersection is almost at the geographic center of the ring of highways circling the east side. Anyway, for folks who live out west (say, past Lakewood), I don't think that anybody can argue that it's a minor hardship to go to the Cedar Lee or the Cinematheque.
March 17, 200916 yr I had been concerned about only three screens myself-- I really think there is quite a bit of demand for an art cinema on the Westside. While I do love going to the Cedar-Lee, I don't enjoy driving out to the middle of the east side for it. Draw from Tremont, Ohio City, Lakewood, and of course D-S should be strong. BK, where do you live and how is CH the "middle of the eastside"? I agree there could be strong draw for art movies and general releases in that area. Those theatres will spawn other restaurants, small shops and neighborhood needs. Ah, are you really arguing that the corner of Cedar and Lee cannot be considered the middle of the east side? That intersection is almost at the geographic center of the ring of highways circling the east side. Anyway, for folks who live out west (say, past Lakewood), I don't think that anybody can argue that it's a minor hardship to go to the Cedar Lee or the Cinematheque. Not arguing anything, just trying to get someone else perspective. To me the middle of the east side is Shaker and Green.
March 17, 200916 yr I live in Battery Park, so I am quite biased towards this project with it being so close. Being the westsider that I am, I consider going past Coventry to be an annoyance. Like I said though, I am biased and would love to see this project succeed in my hood.
March 17, 200916 yr I live in Battery Park, so I am quite biased towards this project with it being so close. Being the westsider that I am, I consider going past Coventry to be an annoyance. Like I said though, I am biased and would love to see this project succeed in my hood. I understand. I know exactly how you feel. Trust me, I wish the SS movie theatre and the Dave's were on my side of the square. I feel like a theatre is a good long term investment for the area. People will come before and after shows to eat, drink and just chill.
March 17, 200916 yr I feel like a theatre is a good long term investment for the area. People will come before and after shows to eat, drink and just chill. Eastsiders as well? Might be time to sell!
March 18, 200916 yr They have at least 7 screens. They added on a few years ago. The Cedar-Lee went from 1 to 2 screens in 1983, 2 to 4 screens in 1991, and 4 to the current 6 screens in 1996.
March 18, 200916 yr I feel like a theatre is a good long term investment for the area. People will come before and after shows to eat, drink and just chill. Eastsiders as well? Might be time to sell! Dan, we'll gladly accept you on the Eastside. LOL
March 25, 200916 yr Okay everyone, I need some advice. In keeping with the improvements in the neighborhood, I want to make some improvements to the Barone Building on 69th St. We are still working to get the funds together to completely renovate the building, both interior and exterior, but we just want to begin with the exterior to improve the street presentation. As far as the interior, we can't decide on simply redoing each of the 4 apartments as they are, changing to 2 townhome units, up and down; or 2-single floor units. The interior pictures indicate the relative size of each apartment; 4 rooms of ~ equal size plus 1 small bathroom. What do you think? Use this opportunity to put your design skills to the test! As far as the exterior goes, we obviously need new doors! As for the door which fronts the street, we were thinking about replacing it with a similar glass door with transom. The building was built between 1912-1915 and we would like to make it as original was we can. It does not appear to ever have had an awning over this front door,so I'm not sure what is appropriate there. I don't think the pipe railing was the look at the time! We were thinking about wrought iron? As for the door on the side, we are open to any and all suggestions. Right now it has 4 panes of frosted glass on the top half. These panes match the frosted windows on the stairway above. We would like to replace the metal awning with something which matches the period which it was built. Please let me know what you think! Thanks, Dan Looks great!
April 6, 200916 yr Gordon Square has announced a grand opening for the Capitol Theatre: October 1: Grand Gala, Red Carpet Benefit October 2: Ribbon Cutting (11 a.m.), First Feature Film (7 p.m.) October 3: Children's Matinee October 3 - 11: Grand Opening Week http://www.gordonsquare.org/gasp/gasppdf.pdf How's the streetscape progressing?
April 6, 200916 yr Gordon Square has announced a grand opening for the Capitol Theatre: October 1: Grand Gala, Red Carpet Benefit October 2: Ribbon Cutting (11 a.m.), First Feature Film (7 p.m.) October 3: Children's Matinee October 3 - 11: Grand Opening Week http://www.gordonsquare.org/gasp/gasppdf.pdf How's the streetscape progressing? It looks bad because they are still doing all the preliminary stuff. Looks as if they will start soon with replacing the sidewalks on the north side of the street.
April 7, 200916 yr I live in Battery Park, so I am quite biased towards this project with it being so close. Being the westsider that I am, I consider going past Coventry to be an annoyance. Like I said though, I am biased and would love to see this project succeed in my hood. +1 to that from Casa Belvedere.......... can't wait to see the final results and hope it all works out as planned.
April 7, 200916 yr How's the streetscape progressing? I read on some flyer at Latitude that they expect to be finished with the streetscape by September.
May 13, 200916 yr Any idea what is happening with the West Shoreway project and when any work will get started? Is it on track? Any stimulus money helping it out?
May 14, 200916 yr Sorry, don't have info on the Shoreway conversion, other than the city did seek stimulus funds as one of their "priority projects". But the May/June Gordon Square newsletter is now available: http://gordonsquare.org/newsletters/GSAD_Enewsletter_issue7.pdf. Some highlights: - The October 1 opening of the Capitol is still a go. - Work is proceeding on installing new sidewalks (four ft. deeper when finished) from W. 58th to W. 73rd. In mid-June, the work will move to the south side of the street. The streetscape improvements are slated to be ready for a ribbon cutting on September 26th. - Room Service (www.roomservicecleveland.com) will again be hosting "Made in the 216" on June 26 and June 27. It will feature 37 local vendors in 4 spaces around Gordon Square (including some "pop-up" storefronts in the neighborhood), as well as 10 local bands. - 78th Street Studios (http://www.78streetstudios.com/) are hosting their quarterly open house ("78 Street Studios Experience") on July 10th and 11th. - The Gordon Square Farmers Market kicks off on July 11th with a Berry and Ice Cream Social. Yay! I am hearting some Gordon Square.
May 18, 200916 yr Looks like someone took out the hammers last week to start demolition on the small storefront building on the east side of W. 65th, just across and a bit north of the Capitol Theatre. If I'm not mistaken, this location was previously discussed as the future site of "Toast" which was expected to offer "food and wine pairings." I mentioned the progress to someone over the weekend and they told that they heard from a seemingly credible source that the project had been denied because they had not received approval from the nearby church. I believe any new establishment that serves beer/wine/liquor within 500 feet of a church needs approval. Anyone have any other info/insight about this?
May 18, 200916 yr Are you talking about the old "bakery" storefront that is essentially across from Stone Mad? I know that is indeed the location for Toast. I wasn't aware of any issues holding it up, but I can confirm this is the location. http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=41.486464,-81.730256&spn=0,359.998798&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=41.48662,-81.730257&panoid=jKkt6uR_yzcTQqaL--HF8w&cbp=12,95.01,,0,18.03
May 18, 200916 yr Interesting...I mixed up storefronts when the project was previously mentioned if you're correct about the one you point out. The one I'm talking about is on the same side of the street, but south a bit before getting to Detroit Ave.
May 18, 200916 yr I'm 99.9% sure that's the location. I remember going to stone mad several times last summer fall and always seeing the "bakery" sign in the window, and wondering if anyone would grab that commercial space with all the investment taking place. A few weeks ago I saw some renderings via the SRP, and the "before" pic had that same "bakery" sign in the window.
May 18, 200916 yr Very cool....well then the next question becomes, what is planned for the storefront I'm talking about? Until the recent demolition noted inside, it'd been in the same condition for the last 15 years if not more.
May 19, 200916 yr I ran by here yesterday and took a look at both buildings. It always seemed to me that toast was going into the building closer to Detroit. They have started demo'ing in this building. This building does look very similar to the other one across from Stone Mad but that building has residences in it. Can anybody officially clear this up?
May 19, 200916 yr I was pretty sure that the building across from Stone Mad was a residence as well, but didn't mention that in my prior post.
May 19, 200916 yr I had always thought that Toast would be in the building closer to Detroit as well. I vaguely remember even tying the address on the building to one in a GS newsletter. EDIT: Tried to link to a Google shot of the building I had thought would be Toast, but I couldn't get the link to work.
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