Officially, Max Hayes is in Detroit-Shoreway.

 

 

 

Say no more!

Officially, Max Hayes is in Detroit-Shoreway.

 

 

 

Thats right the border of OC/DS is W 45 Street.  Question 3231, will the new West Tech be built in OC?

I don't believe it's been made official yet, but DSCDO did a marketing/branding study a year ago and they are ditching the "Detroit Shoreway" brand and going with "Gordon Square" for all marketing/branding efforts.

I don't believe it's been made official yet, but DSCDO did a marketing/branding study a year ago and they are ditching the "Detroit Shoreway" brand and going with "Gordon Square" for all marketing/branding efforts.

 

Good plan.

I prefer the Detroit Shoreway brand myself. I only associate Gordon Square with a 2 block radius of W 65th and Detroit. I've always considered Market Square a distinct area of Ohio City, analogous to Gordon Square being a distinct area of Detroit Shoreway.

 

But perhaps the moniker of 'Detroit' on a Cleveland neighborhood doesn't settle well with some?

 

 

I'd like to leave Shoreway in the name, to hopefully increase the awareness of the need to convert it to a boulevard and provide lake access.    Perhaps a "Gordon Shoreway" mash up?

This is probably embarrassingly obvious, but does anyone know why the shoreway was closed today? I was confused why Detroit was so crazily backed up while heading to brunch at XYZ this morning.

Not sure it's related, but I saw the police had some E 9th closures for the Puerto Rican day event at the Muni lot.

This is probably embarrassingly obvious, but does anyone know why the shoreway was closed today? I was confused why Detroit was so crazily backed up while heading to brunch at XYZ this morning.

the Cleveland triathlon had shore way closed until noon or 1pm

Ah thanks! Had no idea

 

 

Not sure it's related, but I saw the police had some E 9th closures for the Puerto Rican day event at the Muni lot.

Missed this one too lmao

 

Guess that explains the huge Puerto Rican biker gang that rumbled by as I was tucking into my eggs

Not sure it's related, but I saw the police had some E 9th closures for the Puerto Rican day event at the Muni lot.

Missed this one too lmao

 

Guess that explains the huge Puerto Rican biker gang that rumbled by as I was tucking into my eggs

 

They surprised me last year. Some random Sunday I was downtown and saw a ton of cars with big flags on their cars or hanging out the window. Then I realized what was going on. Ha!

Case Development LLC is seeking zoning variances from BZA on Aug. 26 to build nine townhouses in the vicinity of Bridge and West 57-58th....

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2013/crr08-26-2013.pdf

 

Detroit Shoreway will officially take a name change to Gordon Square in February at the annual meeting I am told.  I have warmed up to this, it rolls off the tongue smoother and is less confusing

^I don't like that. Gordon Square is the CORNER of 65th and Detroit. Its silly to name an entire neighborhood the same name as a single intersection.

True, but Dupont Circle is a circle in DC but takes the surrounding area as its neighborhood.  Kenmore Square, Logan Square, University Circle. i could go on. 

But there's no actual square.

^Who says you need a physical square? The corner of 65th and Detroit IS the square. You don't need a square like 'public square'.  Think Playhouse Sq or Times Sq. Those are "squares"--they are places.

True, but Dupont Circle is a circle in DC but takes the surrounding area as its neighborhood.  Kenmore Square, Logan Square, University Circle. i could go on.

 

"University Circle" is indeed the name of that neighborhood. But is there no particular point that is well known within the neighborhood that is a place "University Circle" within "University Circle".  If there is, I am not aware of it.

 

I already have to stop myself from saying "Jacobs Field" for the rest of my life. I don't like this change either.

There are a bunch of examples where a focal point is the name of an entire neighborhood in Chicago.  Lincoln Park, Lincoln Square, Wrigleyville, Garfield Park, Douglas Park, Homan Square, etc.

But there's no actual square.

 

Nor is there one at Playhouse Square. These are the urban versions of Deer Lick Estates, Hunter's Hollow, Cookie Cutter Corners, etc. :)

whenever i tell people who have no idea where I live (suburbans), when i say detroit shoreway i get look slike i am an alien.  Gordon square has a better ring, people have heard of it and have a general idea of where its at.  I think its a better branding going forward.  Are people attached to the name Detroit Shoreway?

^^^^^ According to the Encyclopedia of Cleveland History, University Circle (at least the western, first settled part) was originally known as Doan's Corners, as early as 1799. The current name, which looks like it's been in place since at least the turn of the twentieth century, was "taken from a streetcar stop on a line running on Euclid to a turnaround at E. 107th known as Univ. Circle". So there was indeed a physical circle where the streetcars turned around to head back toward the city center.

 

^ I'm not in love with renaming the entire nabe Gordon Square ... Less because of the existence or lack of a traditional square and more because DSCDO has a big service area, and I like the idea of sub-branding the neighborhood with different identities in different areas ... Something that already seemed to be off the ground with the EcoVillage, Edgewater Hill/Battery Park/Big Italy.

 

That being said, I can understand the appeal ... Cleveland has had a bad habit of naming neighborhoods after one or two major thoroughfares and calling it a day ... Detroit Shoreway, St. Clair Superior, Payne Sterling, Buckeye, etc. These names strike me as pretty bland and lifeless (Buckeye I kind of like ... Maybe the two-street neighborhoods are the problem. Haha.). Opposite these sterile, institutional names, I think CDCs are trying to find something a little more inspirational. Gordon Square probably has the greatest brand equity among Detroit-Shoreway's existing name, as well as a long history (according to the Encyclopedia of Cleveland History, "the heart of the area was known as Gordon Square until the late 1930s"), so it's not surprising that that's the name they'd cash in on. I wonder what this means for the future of the separate nonprofit Gordon Square Arts District, LLC

But there's no actual square.

 

Nor is there one at Playhouse Square. These are the urban versions of Deer Lick Estates, Hunter's Hollow, Cookie Cutter Corners, etc. :)

 

Same with Shaker Square...it should really be Shaker Octagon. :P

Why don't they combine the two names to "Gordon Shore?"

 

I like the emphasis on the lakefront connection and hope it continues to grow! ;)

Why not just shorten it to "Shoreway", (assuming they consider the "Detroit" reference undesireable) and leave Gordon Square as a sub neighborhood within.  I like the reference to the lakefront shoreline as a neighborhood and makes it sound desireable.  Shaker Square is a sub neighborhood, the actual neighborhood is called Buckeye/Shaker.  West Park is a sub neighborhood of Kamms Corners, Nottingham of North Collinwood....etc.  Wrigleyville is actually a sub neighborhood within Lakeview.

Why don't we use this thread to discuss development projects? ;) Move on, folks.

Why don't we use this thread to discuss development projects? ;) Move on, folks.

 

Good idea!  Anyone have an update on the building at the NE corner of 58th & Detroit, I believe it got funding for historic tax credits and was slated to become some type of live/work spaces?

 

KJP--I agree to move, but I must  ask one thing--please indulge me.

 

^ I'm not in love with renaming the entire nabe Gordon Square ... Less because of the existence or lack of a traditional square and more because DSCDO has a big service area' date=' and I like the idea of sub-branding the neighborhood with different identities in different areas ... Something that already seemed to be off the ground with the EcoVillage, Edgewater Hill/Battery Park/Big Italy.[/quote']

 

Where is "Big Italy"? Is there another "Big Italy" in Cleveland? The one I know was decimated by the interstate highway system at the confluence of Broadway-Ontario-90-77-71.....that area was once a giant and vibrant Italian neighborhood.

 

 

^ Good call ... My mistake. Clarification from the Encyclopedia of Cleveland History: "By the late 1920s ... Italian neighborhoods had been established. The largest was BIG ITALY, located along Woodland and Orange avenues from E. 9th St. to E. 40th St. LITTLE ITALY, centered at Mayfield and Murray Hill roads, proved the most enduring of the settlements. Nearby, at E. 107th St. and Cedar Ave., a community grew around St. Marian Church. Also on the city's east side was a substantial Italian settlement in COLLINWOOD. Two settlements were on the west side, one near Clark and Fulton avenues and one on Detroit near W. 65th St., the latter an offshoot of the former. Eventually, by the late 1920s, a 7th community was established by people moving out of Big Italy to the Woodland and E. 116th St. region."

 

^^ I think you might be talking about 5700 Detroit Avenue, the Templin Bradley building. It received a planning and feasibility grant from the National Endowment for the Arts for potential conversion into live/work space, with a focus on artists (http://freshwatercleveland.com/inthenews/placemakinggrant071912.aspx), and it looks like it has also received a $1.8 million tax credit toward a projected $7.8 million redevelopment. At the time of receipt, they were in the process of seeking financing for remainder of development costs. Not sure where they are at in the overall process, though.

Why don't we use this thread to discuss development projects? Move on, folks.

 

The name change of an entire neighborhood is probably relevant to this thread (as a development), since the actual name of the thread would need to be changed to reflect the new neighborhood name...therefore relevant?  People have opinions about the name change, but should we really make another thread to discuss it?  So be it, if that is the case...but it seems to me like it fits here without another fragmented thread.

Why don't we use this thread to discuss development projects? Move on, folks.

 

The name change of an entire neighborhood is probably relevant to this thread (as a development), since the actual name of the thread would need to be changed to reflect the new neighborhood name...therefore relevant?  People have opinions about the name change, but should we really make another thread to discuss it?  So be it, if that is the case...but it seems to me like it fits here without another fragmented thread.

 

I agree, since this "development" could impact the title of this thread.    In this case development shouldn't mean bricks and mortar.

I am also not a fan of the Gordon Square name (who is Gordon? where is the square?).  I've been calling it "Det-Shor" and have been hoping the abbrev catches on haha.

"Gordon" was the early name of W65th

 

W 76th tunnel to Edgewater vandalized w graffiti yet again.

Councilman Matt Zone offering 1,000.00 for the identification of the ...ahem...vermin

Pathetic.

^Dont worry too much about it guys, its already fixed.  Its against the law, but our neighborhood isnt emotionally damaged by this, we just paint right over.  I got to sit on a bluff overlooking Edgewater and the Lake for an hour and paint.  There are much worse ways to spent a thursday evening

Can they get a security camera for that tunnel? I think there should be one anyway -- along with those signs saying the area is under electronic surveillance.

Yeah but it is annoying that this new tunnel has already been vandalized twice. I agree with KJP. I hope they put cameras up. Maybe that will stop the issue.

Yeah but it is annoying that this new tunnel has already been vandalized twice. I agree with KJP. I hope they put cameras up. Maybe that will stop the issue.

 

Cameras?  Really?  On the gritty west side?  They'll be smashed in an instant, or painted over, or some other form of vandalism.

 

Has anyone considered embracing the surrounding environment by letting the graffiti happen? 

 

.........the gritty west side?  .....Battery Park is "gritty"?

Yeah but it is annoying that this new tunnel has already been vandalized twice. I agree with KJP. I hope they put cameras up. Maybe that will stop the issue.

 

Cameras?  Really?  On the gritty west side?  They'll be smashed in an instant, or painted over, or some other form of vandalism.

 

Has anyone considered embracing the surrounding environment by letting the graffiti happen? 

 

They can strategically place a camera out of harms way.  And to answer your question. NO. 

Has anyone considered embracing the surrounding environment by letting the graffiti happen? 

 

http://www.chicagoillinoisweddingphotography.com/2009/10/29/fall-in-chicago-engagement-photographer/

Yeah but it is annoying that this new tunnel has already been vandalized twice. I agree with KJP. I hope they put cameras up. Maybe that will stop the issue.

 

it's not that big of a deal.  Surrounding neighbors are committed to keeping the tunnel looking nice.  DSCDO has pitched in and they already have all the necessary paint colors on hand to deal with any graffiti quickly.

 

Moving on...

Graffiti is fact of life for urban areas.  As bad as it seems here, try visiting some European countries, esp Italy, and esp Rome...  Here in the USA, even wealthy city areas get hit by it, esp. out East.  I wouldn't get bent out of shape about it. 

Yeah but it is annoying that this new tunnel has already been vandalized twice. I agree with KJP. I hope they put cameras up. Maybe that will stop the issue.

 

Cameras?  Really?  On the gritty west side?  They'll be smashed in an instant, or painted over, or some other form of vandalism.

 

Has anyone considered embracing the surrounding environment by letting the graffiti happen? 

 

There are numerous security cameras throughout the west side thanks to Homeland Security grants. See Page 3 at: http://www.clevelandcitycouncil.org/media/documents/publication/Ward17/ward-17-brady-spring13-web.pdf

Cameras in the tunnel make absolute sense, more for ped safety (esp for females) than to stop graffiti imho.  ... as for Homeland Security, I think I read where every person, on average, is caught on some security camera at least 30-50 times per day ... even more if you frequent a major CBD... just a fact of life in post 9-11 America.

In addition to Homeland Security funding, a number of Council Members are using their discretionary funding from casino taxes for the purchase of security cameras ... Including a relatively large purchase already from Councilman Zone. Might just be a matter of making the request of the Councilman for placement there.

 

Casino tax money being slowly spent by Cleveland City Council

Mark Naymik, The Plain Dealer

August 20, 2013

 

Cleveland City Council members are slowly spending casino tax revenue that flows exclusively to them.

 

Just seven of the 19 members have tapped their share of the money as of July 31, according to council records. Council created a special fund for the money from which each council members can draw about $70,000 to spend on city projects of their choosing. Requests for expenditures are made in writing, reviewed by the city's Law Department and must be approved by council through separate legislation.

 

Council has spent a total of $186,000, much of it to install surveillance cameras in three neighborhoods. Eugene Miller, whose Ward 10 boundaries include portions of the Collinwood neighborhood, spent $48,000 for the cameras. T.J. Dow, whose Ward 7 includes the city's Hough neighborhood, spent nearly $33,000 on cameras. Ward 15 Councilman Matt Zone, who looks after portions of the city's near West Side, spent $40,000 for cameras ...

 

... More available at http://www.cleveland.com/naymik/index.ssf/2013/08/casino_tax_money_being_slowly.html

 

For those of you who haven't seen the construction work moving along for the W 73rd tunnel.

 

Father Caruso is now torn up all the way from 67th to 74th.  The old railroad offshoot tracks that used to head towards 73rd are all piled up. 

 

2 weeks down, 2+ years to go :)