November 13, 201311 yr So the building is going to be ruined? It already looks as if it is "ruined". The current facade appears to be 100% newish and uses all fairly cheap materials. The images on the landmarks page do not give any sort of idea of how the final proposed product will actually look.
November 13, 201311 yr Well, the second-to-last image does somewhat. But it would be more accurate if they showed how the proposed exterior materials would look when applied to the facade. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 19, 201311 yr ^ I can live with that. My friends were in the process of buying this building last year, but things got "shady."
November 19, 201311 yr ^ I can live with that. My friends were in the process of buying this building last year, but things got "shady." Details!! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 19, 201311 yr ^ I can live with that. My friends were in the process of buying this building last year, but things got "shady." Details!! I can't say! Legally speaking :-) I can say issue wasn't the seller, had more to do with financing. But it's good to see the building finally get some life again. And my friends instead opened Taco Tonto in Lakewood which benefits me greatly.
November 20, 201311 yr Trattner wrote an article and called the place The Arcadian. So..what's the name? Would water and grain have a different significance on the renderings?
December 9, 201311 yr Did anyone else read the feature in today's PD Homes/apartments section on Detroit-Shoreway? It mentioned that a 350-unit development is in the planning stages in the neighborhood at a former industrial site...Could that be near the hulking Westinghouse building that you can see from the Shoreway? Anyone else read that article (no shame in skipping it - the homes section is not where I usually find my news) or hear anything about this.
December 9, 201311 yr Sounds like Battery Park which has an undeveloped apartment component to it. Anyway here is the paragraph from the article.... http://www.cleveland.com/rentals/plaindealer/index.ssf/2013/12/new_apartments_on_tap_for_new_residents_to_embrace_near_west_side_rebirth.html "An impressive 350 rental units may be part of the redevelopment of another former manufacturing site in the neighborhood, although Ramsey said the details have not been finalized with the potential developer. He also hopes developers will close on a smaller deal that would put 100 more apartments on the market locally. All told, Detroit Shoreway could be home to more than 500 new apartments in the next few years." "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 9, 201311 yr ^From what i hear, the development at the Westinghouse site is very close and another Battery Park type development will take place there. I suspect that is what is being referenced
December 9, 201311 yr ^From what i hear, the development at the Westinghouse site is very close and another Battery Park type development will take place there. I suspect that is what is being referenced That would be great. Not sure how far along they are as there haven't been recent property transfers in that area except for last month when a city-owned vacant land bounded by West 58th, Cass and the Shoreway was deeded last month to HKM Direct Market Communications Inc. http://www.hkmdm.com/. HKM has the brick building on the south side of Cass for its offices so perhaps they are looking to expand or relocate to the north side of Cass next to a tamed Shoreway? But the Westinghouse property is still owned by the Kole family of Westlake as it has since at least the 1980s. I don't see a listing for the tallest building at the north end of the site by the railroad tracks. The three properties surrounding it, totaling 10.5 acres, are listed for sale by the RJ Wohl Co. (also of Westlake). Here is the listing and a map..... http://tinyurl.com/qjjmx6o Description 10.5 ACRES OF LAND -- 250,000 SF OF OLD INDUSTRIAL BUILDNGS, MOSTLY VACANT -- ALONG THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF BREAKWATER AVE. BETWEEN W. 58TH AND W. 65TH STS. Buy all or part. This is within the Detroit Shoreway neighborhood -- super comeback area -- and next door to the highly successful Battery Park high end residential project and $300,000 townhouses, wine bars, etc. The properties are quite suitable to refill with industrial users, for sale or lease, however, it seems to be clear to many that the destiny of this assembly is to be residential, or residential/commercial with shopping. This is an assembly of three different owners...not planned -- total happenstance. Buy all or part. All are motivated. Call to discuss. From downtown or Lakewood, the easy route is Detroit Avenue and go north onto W.65th, past the theatre, past Stone Mad, and turn east onto Breakwater. Its the EMI building and property, 155,000 sf. Keep going on Breakwater east -- next is a 34,000 sf building on two acres, and lastly is the southernmost third of the Westinghouse buildng and its 2.8 acre parcel, juxtaposed across from the famous Parkview restaurant...part of the Polish Triangle. Call Paul Bossman at he above number to discuss or visit. __________ I'll keep doing some research to find out more. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 9, 201311 yr More progress! Click on the "Quote from:...." for more images..... Missed this one........ http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2013/08222013/index.php CLEVELAND LANDMARK COMMISSION AGENDA - August 22, 2013 CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS Gordon Square Historic District Templin-Bradley Building 5700 Detroit Avenue Renovation http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2013/crr12-30-2013.pdf Board of Zoning Appeals December 30, 2013 Cleveland West Shore Development and Detroit Shoreway Community Development Organization (DSCDO) appeal to change use of a warehouse to a 30 unit apartment building proposed on consolidated parcels located in a C2 Local Retail Business District; subject to requirements under Section 347.08(a) trash areas shall be screened with opaque fencing not lower than the height of the refuse container and adequate vehicle access to and from such areas, including the recycle bin, is required for trash collection; and pursuant to Sections 349.05(a) and 349.07(b) all parking spaces shall be located behind the setback line and provided with wheel guards and by definition in Section 325.03 an “accessory parking space” means an area open or enclosed that measures 180 square feet; and a maximum lot area coverage of 44,648 square feet is proposed, contrary to Section 355.04 and 15,575 that equals one-half of the lot size; and provisions in Section 357.08(b)(2) require a rear yard depth of 20 feet where zero is proposed and contrary to Section 357.09(b)(2)© proposing 2.9 and 4.2 for interior side yard where 8 feet is required; and provisions in Section 358.05(a)(2) require that fences in side street yards shall not exceed 4 feet in height and shall be at least 50% open; and pursuant to Section 457.10(f) bicycle parking spaces shall be located at least as close to the entrance of the building as the nearest nonconforming automobile space in the Cleveland Codified Ordinances. (Filed 11-26-13) "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 9, 201311 yr People are so eager to find housing in Detroit-Shoreway, Ohio City, Tremont, etc. that they are willing to turn ANYTHING into housing! How eager? So how would you like to live here in this small church (plus the white building behind it)? Well, someone named James Alves is proposing to do just that! Board of Zoning Appeals December 30, 2013 9:30 Calendar No. 13-262: 1449 West 58th Street Ward 15 Matthew Zone James Alves, owner, appeals to change use of an existing 40’ x 75’ two-story masonry church and a 30’ x 50’ one-story frame Sunday School Building to a single family residence, located on a 135’ x 193.79’ parcel in a B1 Two-Family District; contrary to Cleveland Codified Ordinance 357.09(2)B an interior side street yard of 2 feet is proposed where 5 feet is required. (Filed 12-2-13) "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 9, 201311 yr ^ nice. that is a great sign that its a popular area for sure. a long while ago i was thisclose to buying a church just like that in the middle of uptown westerville. a road not taken. there are some very large churches around nyc divided into multiple apts. no doubt your windows would be...divine.
December 10, 201311 yr That would be great. Not sure how far along they are as there haven't been recent property transfers in that area except for last month when a city-owned vacant land bounded by West 58th, Cass and the Shoreway was deeded last month to HKM Direct Market Communications Inc. http://www.hkmdm.com/. HKM has the brick building on the south side of Cass for its offices so perhaps they are looking to expand or relocate to the north side of Cass next to a tamed Shoreway? But the Westinghouse property is still owned by the Kole family of Westlake as it has since at least the 1980s. I don't see a listing for the tallest building at the north end of the site by the railroad tracks. The three properties surrounding it, totaling 10.5 acres, are listed for sale by the RJ Wohl Co. (also of Westlake). Here is the listing and a map..... http://tinyurl.com/qjjmx6o Description 10.5 ACRES OF LAND -- 250,000 SF OF OLD INDUSTRIAL BUILDNGS, MOSTLY VACANT -- ALONG THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF BREAKWATER AVE. BETWEEN W. 58TH AND W. 65TH STS. Buy all or part. This is within the Detroit Shoreway neighborhood -- super comeback area -- and next door to the highly successful Battery Park high end residential project and $300,000 townhouses, wine bars, etc. The properties are quite suitable to refill with industrial users, for sale or lease, however, it seems to be clear to many that the destiny of this assembly is to be residential, or residential/commercial with shopping. This is an assembly of three different owners...not planned -- total happenstance. Buy all or part. All are motivated. Call to discuss. From downtown or Lakewood, the easy route is Detroit Avenue and go north onto W.65th, past the theatre, past Stone Mad, and turn east onto Breakwater. Its the EMI building and property, 155,000 sf. Keep going on Breakwater east -- next is a 34,000 sf building on two acres, and lastly is the southernmost third of the Westinghouse buildng and its 2.8 acre parcel, juxtaposed across from the famous Parkview restaurant...part of the Polish Triangle. Call Paul Bossman at he above number to discuss or visit. __________ I'll keep doing some research to find out more. I don't think anything will happen with the actual Westinghouse building anytime soon. First step would be an application for historic tax credits I would think. The surrounding area which is low rise warehouse/manufacturing & parking lots is ripe for development though. I heard a rumor recently that NRP Group of Garfield Hts was looking at the area for a large scale apartment complex. That would be huge for the area.
December 10, 201311 yr "I heard a rumor recently that NRP Group of Garfield Hts was looking at the area for a large scale apartment complex. That would be huge for the area." Most of the projects that NRP does is LIHTC so maybe not so good for the area? Unless it was mixed or they went more heavily on the Historic.
December 10, 201311 yr ^ They're moving into upscale market rate stuff as well. See their project on Green Rd in Beachwood.
December 10, 201311 yr Applications for tax credit projects are listed on OHFA's web site - from the Home page you can navigate Housing Partners, Developer Resources, Housing Tax Credit Program, Program Documents and then down to 2013 HTC Proposals. The 2014 competitive proposals are due February 20th. I don't know how long it will take OHFA to then post to the web site the 2014 applications received, but once they do that could be checked to see if anyone is putting in for low income credits on this parcel. Not sure where to check if non-competitive credits are applied for but if I can find out, will post that info as well. Good resource to keep an eye on tax-credit development. Once proposals are gone through and awards are made by OHFA, they also post who got what awarded.
December 10, 201311 yr Welcome, 4cleveland! Great info. Please post again and often! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 12, 201311 yr No details on what "new construction" is planned for this site..... Cleveland Landmarks Commission AGENDA - December 12, 2013 Gordon Square Historic District 8301 Detroit Avenue Demolition and new construction http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2013/12122013/index.php This is what's there now...... http://www.cbhunter.com/Property/OH/44102-1805/Cleveland/8301_Detroit_Ave "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 12, 201311 yr ^ They're moving into upscale market rate stuff as well. See their project on Green Rd in Beachwood. NRP has very upscale market rate buildings all over the country.
December 12, 201311 yr Good riddance. I hate that building and it's ridiculously unnecessary setback. Please ohh please replace it with something of higher caliber. apts., townhomes, condos...This is a prime location between Clifton/Lakewood and Gordon Square and would be huge for bridging the gap between the two.
December 12, 201311 yr http://www.chnnet.com/media/documents/chn-collateral/8301-detroit-eaviii-psh.pdf Hey! No setback, just more subsidized housing.
December 12, 201311 yr http://www.chnnet.com/media/documents/chn-collateral/8301-detroit-eaviii-psh.pdf Hey! No setback, just more subsidized housing. I like it. Glad to see it. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 12, 201311 yr Actually, I like the design as well. The Emerald Alliance people know what they are doing in urban design! While it's not market rate which we'd all prefer, it matches the character of the neighborhood and interacts with the street fairly well (minus ground level retail)
December 12, 201311 yr Well at least there will be a security presence and cameras on the street. Every little bit helps.
December 12, 201311 yr ^ They're moving into upscale market rate stuff as well. See their project on Green Rd in Beachwood. NRP has very upscale market rate buildings all over the country. In a resolution approval request to the city of Georgetown dated February 2012 there is a list of NRP's Developments by Region. There are 87 Developments shown making up 9,447 units in 12 States...only 2 developments are 100% market rate. Below is the breakdown by development and by unit. UNITS: 352 are "Senior" for 4% of the total, 544 are "Market Rate" for 6% of the total, and 8,551 are "Tax Credit" for 90% of the total. DEVELOPMENTS: 5 are "Senior" for 6% of the total, 16 are Mixed market/tax credit for 18% of the total, 64 are exclusively tax credit for 74% of the total, and only 2 are completely market rate for 2% of the total - those being the Enclave at Kennedy Ridge in Ohio andHeritage Oaks in Texas. If you have details from February of last year forward, please feel free to add to my numbers for a more current reflection.
December 12, 201311 yr I'm just going by this article in Crain's from last week. NRP Group expands its market, reach by catering to apartment demand Garfield Heights company is building developments at rapid rate This Northeast Ohio real estate firm is active in 13 states and operates eight regional offices seeking out deals that have resulted in upscale apartment developments in Austin, Dallas and San Antonio, Texas; St. Petersburg and Orlando, Fla.; and Raleigh and Charlotte, N.C., among other places... ...NRP is building 10 market-rate luxury apartment developments across the country this year, including one in Beachwood. It also plans to start construction of seven more between Thanksgiving and next April, said David Heller, an NRP principal and the company's president of property management... http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20131201/SUB1/312019978
December 12, 201311 yr I believe 8301 would be on the western edge of 83rd, making it Cudell, no? What you see is how the Landmarks Commission posted it. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 13, 201311 yr I'm just going by this article in Crain's from last week. NRP Group expands its market, reach by catering to apartment demand Garfield Heights company is building developments at rapid rate This Northeast Ohio real estate firm is active in 13 states and operates eight regional offices seeking out deals that have resulted in upscale apartment developments in Austin, Dallas and San Antonio, Texas; St. Petersburg and Orlando, Fla.; and Raleigh and Charlotte, N.C., among other places... ...NRP is building 10 market-rate luxury apartment developments across the country this year, including one in Beachwood. It also plans to start construction of seven more between Thanksgiving and next April, said David Heller, an NRP principal and the company's president of property management... I understand. But the statement that they have very upscale developments all over the country could not be more incorrect. What they have, in fact, is almost entirely low income tax credit housing in 12 or 13 states. Keep an eye on the OHFA web site I pointed out earlier and see if in February there are any low income tax credit proposals put in for the parcel in question. Maybe they will go luxury with it, and maybe not. I'm just pointing out the facts and trying to provide the resources for people to follow along.
December 13, 201311 yr Sorry, I guess I misunderstood when their company president gave his presentation & showed all these developments with pools & retail built in, talking about their marketing data & how market rate apartments was where it's at... check out their website & see what they have under construction in Texas http://www.nrpgroup.com/communities.aspx#
December 13, 201311 yr NRP has in the past focused on low income and/or senior housing. But based on the projects they are developing recently, NRP has undergone a big shift to market-rate rentals. Given the major changes in the housing market since the Great Recession, I can't blame them. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 13, 201311 yr Sorry, I guess I misunderstood when their company president gave his presentation & showed all these developments with pools & retail built in, talking about their marketing data & how market rate apartments was where it's at... check out their website & see what they have under construction in Texas Believe me I understand the confusion - the pictures are pretty and yes there are pools. Up here that is a luxury, down there its just about a necessity and even low income developments have pools. From the link you provided there are about 37 developments shown in Texas. Sorry to bore everyone but again here are some facts...I was able to identify 34 of them as low income tax credit projects, 2 of them as 100% market rate (both Brooks-Base projects) and 2 I could not determine - The Allure and Belleza at Cresta Bella. Again - I am not saying this developer isn't getting into upscale development, but this is clearly not their history. If anything it is quite new for them. As KJP points out, it might be the way for them to go. Perhaps people that lost their homes but are no where near low income will find upscale apartments appealing. Although, I would also argue that given the current economy and job market, there's no lack of need for continued low-income development either. Anyway - sorry for leading this thread astray and into the low income tax credit arena. I just wanted their to be an accurate understanding of the developer who was mentioned and that statement that they have all this upscale development all over the place - I just couldn't let that go. Back to regularly scheduled programming...
December 14, 201311 yr I love this story! Was reading about this guy a while back that had aspired to bring this production "home", but now he has bought an old industrial building in Gordon Square for this very cool production. Its like a return of manufacturing on the neighborhood level. Now if we could only make those parts here again. Cleveland CycleWerks to move motorcycle production to Cleveland from China (video) Published: Saturday, June 16, 2012, 12:00 PM Updated: Saturday, June 16, 2012, 12:11 PM CLEVELAND, Ohio -- It's just a dilapidated industrial site now, but Scott Colosimo sees what should be there by the end of the year - a high-tech factory pumping out Cleveland CycleWerks motorcycles by the thousands. The floors will be painted concrete. The ceilings will be covered with enough lights to make the place glow. The walls? CycleWerks' chief executive Colosimo, 31, plans to leave the aged red bricks in place, a reminder that his new work space near the Gordon Square Arts District made industrial rubber for nearly a century. http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2012/06/cleveland_cyclewerks_to_move_m.html Anything new on this cool story? I did find the information Scott Colosimo apparently posted at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_CycleWerks Apparently they're still working inside there, but use only about a third of the building per graphics at this website: http://werksbuilding.com/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 18, 201311 yr This includes the Craciun Berry Funeral Home and a handsome, three-story brick apartment building called The 7006 Detroit Apartments. Depending on how far the "lands north of Detroit" might go, it could get into the athletic fields for Our Lady of Mt Carmel School off West 70th and the Wire Warehouse on West 73rd. Otherwise I have no idea why this is being requested. I see no recent real estate transfers in this area.... http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2013/12202013/index.php City Planning Commission Agenda for December 20, 2013 Ordinance No. xxx-13(Ward 15/Councilmember Zone): Changing the Use and Height Districts of lands north of Detroit Avenue between West 70th Street and West 73rd Street from General Industry and a '3' Height District to either a Residence-Industry District or a Two-Family District and a '1' Height District. FYI: 1 height district limits structures to no more than 35 feet in height -- the most restrictive height in the city's zoning code. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 18, 201311 yr This is most likely for the old industrial property all the way north up to Father Caruso south to just past Father Frascati. The same people who are doing battery park either own or have an option to buy that building. Right now they are routing the sewer diagonally across the northern most part of it, so they can drop 73rd under the train tracks. The drop will start at Father Frascati. Councilman Zone is really big on the developer running Father Frascati through to w. 70th. Once the construction is done there will be no way to get from one side of this neighborhood to the other without going all the way up to Detroit in the photo at the top of the page, it is in the lower left hand corner. W. 73rd is the left hand border, battery park is on the other side of 73rd.
December 18, 201311 yr They should have paid a bit more attention 10-15 yrs ago before the let in Burger King, Crappy's Pizza, Subway, etc in northern strip of Detroit
December 18, 201311 yr crappy's is only 2 years old. Once everything closer to 65th is filled...that Subway/sergios pizza is prime to get repurposed. BK has been there longer than 15 years.
December 20, 201311 yr Great to see Waverly Station nearly sold out...just six more units to go in phase three.
January 6, 201411 yr Here it is....... http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2014/pdf/NWAgenda1-8-14.pdf Near West Design Review District Agenda (8:30 a.m., Wednesday, January 8th, 2013) Dollar Bank, 3115 West 25th Street NW 2014-001: Breakwater Bluffs Housing Project © 6102 Breakwater Avenue Project Representatives – Mary Hada, NRP Group, LLC; Paul Glowacki, Dimit Architects, LLC Conceptual review of proposed construction on Phase I of a 248-unit rental development situated on 7.5-acres in the Detroit-Shoreway neighborhood. The proposed first phase will include four 4-story buildings and three 3-story buildings, together containing 229 units and 19 free-standing townhomes. All units will be designed and situated to accentuate the views of Lake Erie and Downtown Cleveland. Additional site features to include a fitness center, clubhouse and lounge and a fenced pool and large communal green space. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 6, 201411 yr Wow, that would be a pretty big first phase. Can't wait to see some renderings. This could end up being a pretty big deal.
January 6, 201411 yr Great to see Waverly Station nearly sold out...just six more units to go in phase three. Only 5 left as of today! I knew Waverly would be a hit, but I didn't think they would sell this quickly. At this rate phase III will be sold out before construction is completed.
January 6, 201411 yr ^^^Wow. Im so happy more development is taking place in this neighborhood. The lid is about to blwo off this neighborhood. If you are considering urban living, consider this neighborhood, as your investment can only grow with the park/lake/etc.
January 6, 201411 yr Great news for DS on this subzero day. I guess NRP does build these type units. And I really like a lot of Dimit's stuff. It's gonna be nice.
January 6, 201411 yr yeah it's great news for sure. Remember you heard it here first ;-) We'll see about the pool... things like that are always shown on design concepts to spark interest but they are the first things to get chopped when it's time to crunch the numbers. Regardless, this pushes development further along the lake & adds more quality residents to the area which should drive more demand for neighborhood amenities and quality retail options The real question I'm wondering is how long the owners of the Westinghouse building will continue to hold out and sit on their property. That building is a slam dunk for apartment/condo conversion. Big parcel, amazing views, plenty of parking, would easily qualify for historic tax credits
January 6, 201411 yr The real question I'm wondering is how long the owners of the Westinghouse building will continue to hold out and sit on their property. That building is a slam dunk for apartment/condo conversion. Big parcel, amazing views, plenty of parking, would easily qualify for historic tax credits This may cause them to hold out even more strongly. Until they get their first tax bill with the higher property value figured into it. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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