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NRP Group considering 248-unit apartment project in Cleveland's Detroit Shoreway neighborhood

By Michelle Jarboe McFee, The Plain Dealer

on January 10, 2014 at 2:00 PM, updated January 10, 2014 at 2:11 PM

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A national apartment developer based in Garfield Heights plans to build a 248-unit rental project in Cleveland's Detroit Shoreway neighborhood, in that area's largest housing proposal since Battery Park.

 

The NRP Group has secured deals to buy 11 acres of industrial property along Breakwater Avenue, overlooking the West Shoreway between West 58th and West 65th streets. Representatives from NRP presented conceptual plans for four apartment buildings and 19 townhouse-style rental homes during a city design review committee meeting Wednesday.

 

The project comes as downtown Cleveland and close-lying neighborhoods are seeing a rental renaissance of sorts. A trend that started with makeovers of old warehouses and office buildings has spread to include pockets of new construction -- with bullish occupancy projections and, in some cases, less subsidy than one might expect in a city where low rents often make it tough to build anything new.

 

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CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN:

 

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

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So far so good...street frontage and mostly hidden parking.

I'm surprised they're looking to place some of the buildings with units right up to the railroad tracks... 

 

Also curious if there is any discussion about the city replacing Breakwater, the east/west street at the south of this project.  The street is a mess

I had heard from locals that Breakwater was going away but I have no reliable source to cite.

About Breakwater Ave., Michelle says this responding to a question in the comment section:

 

The street that would be widened is Breakwater Avenue, which doesn't get much traffic now. It's a small neighborhood street (currently flanked by industrial buildings) and not a major street, but it would become an access point for the apartments. The site plans show some parallel parking spaces and landscaping along Breakwater. Father Caruso Drive would be extended through the middle of the site, over to West 58th Street.

 

Michelle

While I will not be able to attend the Jan. 30th community meeting, I very much hope someone there will ask the developer if 100% of the units in this development will be market rate.  I would like to see that be the case but thus far I've not seen a definitive statement to confirm this.  There are many many references to "market rate" but nothing saying 100% of units in the development are market rate.  That is the simple question I would like to see answered.

I'll ask that

I had heard from locals that Breakwater was going away but I have no reliable source to cite.

 

I like that the site plan does include new streets and keeps the development from becoming a something akin to the large apartment developments you see in the burbs. But the new east-west street does appear to be redundant with Breakwater remaining. Removing Breakwater does make sense if the rest of the industrial in that area eventually goes residential.

About Breakwater Ave., Michelle says this responding to a question in the comment section:

 

The street that would be widened is Breakwater Avenue, which doesn't get much traffic now. It's a small neighborhood street (currently flanked by industrial buildings) and not a major street, but it would become an access point for the apartments. The site plans show some parallel parking spaces and landscaping along Breakwater. Father Caruso Drive would be extended through the middle of the site, over to West 58th Street.

 

Michelle

 

Extending Caruso through would be nice.  Curious what the other surrounding neighbors will think about all this added traffic.  Should look at putting that Shoreway connection back in the plans at W. 54th, at least for the East bound lane

About Breakwater Ave., Michelle says this responding to a question in the comment section:

 

The street that would be widened is Breakwater Avenue, which doesn't get much traffic now. It's a small neighborhood street (currently flanked by industrial buildings) and not a major street, but it would become an access point for the apartments. The site plans show some parallel parking spaces and landscaping along Breakwater. Father Caruso Drive would be extended through the middle of the site, over to West 58th Street.

 

Michelle

 

Extending Caruso through would be nice.  Curious what the other surrounding neighbors will think about all this added traffic.  Should look at putting that Shoreway connection back in the plans at W. 54th, at least for the East bound lane

 

Yeah.  They should.  As an owner who fronts to Fr. Caruso I'd rather not have a ton of East-West along the street.

 

But I suppose there wouldn't be too much incentive for traffic to come West to enter 73rd and double back to downtown.  It's gonna pack up on Herman/Tillman though. 

 

I tell you one person who's got to be smiling .... Norm at the Parkview!

and Pete at Stone Mad

I know Stone Mad bought and developed that location with the belief that W. 65th would be connected to the new Shoreway Blvd. 

I had heard from locals that Breakwater was going away but I have no reliable source to cite.

 

I like that the site plan does include new streets and keeps the development from becoming a something akin to the large apartment developments you see in the burbs. But the new east-west street does appear to be redundant with Breakwater remaining. Removing Breakwater does make sense if the rest of the industrial in that area eventually goes residential.

 

I don't get the objection to having both streets.  The point is probably more access and frontage for apartment units.  They could have done them garden style, but they'd be building access roads and parking lots anyways.  Isn't it better that they are building urban style blocks that fit into the context of the neighborhood?

I know Stone Mad bought and developed that location with the belief that W. 65th would be connected to the new Shoreway Blvd. 

 

that was never in the cards.  65th is the main terminus for the massive sewer line that is being relocated now for the 73rd connection.  The only reason it's possible at 73rd is because of all the vacant land. 

In the original plan W. 65th was one of the 6 intersections

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heres a good diagram of what this article is talking about

The 76th st and 65th st Intersections are now 1 at 73rd.

 

 

^ Have there been any recent renderings showing what the boulevard will actually look like? Or is the concept still in flux?

 

It will be interesting to consider how the changes affect the value of adjacent real estate. Any way you slice it the area is tremendously underutilized.

Thanks!!!

 

THe Irish-American Society of Cleveland flew in an artist from Belfast last week who presented his concepts for the Johnny Kilbane Memorial Statue, which will be placed adjacent to Battery Park, less than .25 miles from where Johnny Kilbane grew up on Herman and right near Kilbanetown.  The community overwhelmingly prefers the non-violent choice, which depicts Johnny in three different phases of his life.  The pricetag on the statue is listed near $100,000 and should commence next fall.

kind of reminds me of Seattles "waiting for the Interurban"

Just a reminder the Breakwater Bluffs meeting is this Thursday at Mt. Carmel at 7 pm. Come with good energy but ask tough but fair questions to make sure no corners are cut

Im interested in the project moving forward.  Can't anticipate much opposition except for some who will be impacted by much higher traffic counts on Herman & Tillman going to & from downtown

Ok at the meeting right now. Both councilman zone and developer both say 100% market rate units for breakwater bluffs.

^Thanks man, keep us updated...Great news so far tho!

Up to 300 units, connected to Edgewater, whiskey and Herman with bike paths. Street front housing on 65th and breakwater. Extension of Caruso through the development.

 

Talk is cheap but NRP is very confident they will be the best place in the city and will fill these units. They impressed me at first glance. Units available summer 2016. Alot can change in rental demand

^ Is the project fully financed?

The frontage seemed pretty solid along Breakwater all the way from 58th to 65th. They said the plan was only preliminary, but I was impressed. They also made a point of saying no vinyl.

Design can be changed but all signs point to financing secure and them moving forward soon

30 million dollar preliminary budget

Nice to hear the bit about 100% market rate.  And $30 million budget - if there was any discussion on the topic beyond just mentioning it, what are the sources that comprise this $30 million?

^ i dont know exact sources, but other than tax abatement, there is no public money in this project including the extension of Father Caruso, road upgrades, bike path, etc

Nice to hear the bit about 100% market rate.  And $30 million budget - if there was any discussion on the topic beyond just mentioning it, what are the sources that comprise this $30 million?

 

Weren't you the one denying that these were going to be 100% market rate last month? What's your motive of trying to poke holes at this development?  Just curious.

I was not "denying" that this might be a market rate deal, I was pointing out that nobody had a definitive answer to that question.  I was also pointing out that the statement made about this developer having "very upscale developments all over the country" was not even close to accurate as the vast majority of their work in all 12 or 13 states they have worked in is low-income housing tax credit projects.  My motivation is correcting inacurate statements and educating along the way where I can...which I would hope is a shared motivation by the folks on these forums.

^4cleveland had a legitimate concern.  FOr being 100% market rate apartments, they didnt openly announce that until it was pryed out of them last night at the meeting.

 

But, to their defense, i think the reason they did not boast that was because there are still alot of lower-mid income people in Detroit Shoreway, many of who were at the meeting and may not be able to afford a unit here....the developers and councilman zone did not want to come off as isolating this for people who make enough money to afford a unit.

Excellent insight BelievelanD1...I must admit I had not even considered that line of reasoning for not wanting to confirm this as a 100% market rate deal...very interesting point!

Renderings!!!

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2014/02072014/index.php

 

City Planning Commission

Agenda for February 7, 2014

 

NEAR WEST DESIGN REVIEW

1. NW2014-001 - Breakwater Bluffs Housing Project Conceptual Approval

Project Address: 6102 Breakwater Avenue

Project Representatives: Mary Hada, NRP Group

Paul Glowacki, Dimit Architects

 

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

OK, what's this?

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2014/02072014/index.php

 

City Planning Commission

Agenda for February 7, 2014

 

2. Ordinance No. 132-14(Ward 15/Councilmember Zone): Changing the Use and Area Districts of land located on the northeast corner of West 54th Street and Herman Avenue from Two Family Residential and a 'B' Area District to a Residential Attached 2 Townhouse District (RA-2).

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Different. The renders are from 65th to 58th north of breakwater. Just behind the Westinghouse building from the shoreway

 

This is new. South of the 2 'modern' 500k homes and north of a run of 200k + town homes straddling 54th on Herman, who aren't going to be super happy with blocked views of the lake/downtown. 

 

Looks like the can fit 6-8 3-4 story townhouses on the property depending on car access

The real question I'm wondering is how long the owners of the Westinghouse building will continue to hold out and sit on their property.  That building is a slam dunk for apartment/condo conversion.  Big parcel, amazing views, plenty of parking, would easily qualify for historic tax credits

 

This may cause them to hold out even more strongly. Until they get their first tax bill with the higher property value figured into it.

 

Looks like the owners of the Westinghouse building have decided it's time to sell.  No price listed yet but it's on the market now according to this link

 

http://www.loopnet.com/xNet/MainSite/Listing/Profile/Profile.aspx?LID=18526970&AID=Dzk6u3u3Q&FromLocation=&NoBrandingView=&fname=Paul&lname=Bossman&18526970=GkF4zYB6g&PgCxtCurFLKey=&ProfileFromLocation=professionalprofile&PgCxtGuid=ba98beed-9177-4e67-a488-900024863ed4&PgCxtFLKey=&PgCxtCurFLKey=&PgCxtDir=Down

Sorry no pictures.....but Mariner's Watch second floor framing is nearly complete.  It is already apparent that this building will have a great street presence.  I believe/hope it's the first of many new apts on Detroit

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I love living in Tremont but the views from the upper floors of that building would be reasons I'd consider moving.

 

I love living in Tremont but the views from the upper floors of that building would be reasons I'd consider moving.

 

"Some walls are two feet thick."  Does this building include a bomb shelter?!?  The building would make an amazing apartment but I wonder if it would cost considerably more to turn it into an apartment building than other redevelopments.  A lot of windows would need to but cut out of the brick and installed.  I thought I've heard that those such window installations are pretty pricey.  Does anyone on here know?  Also, wasn't there talk on here or maybe one of Michelle's articles about how the owner of the Westinghouse building has floated around the idea of selling the building but was holding out for "the right time"?  Now that the area around this property is being redeveloped it definitely has increased its value.  The building doesn't even have a listed price so it sounds like the owner is feeling out what he can get now.

the window openings are there, they were either covered over or bricked in.  Simple demo to open them back up.  The wall thickness is typical of buildings built in that era.  I see it as a big bonus for higher energy efficiency and reduced noise from passing trains.  Pretty much the same conversion that is going on at the warehouse conversion on W76th next to Battery Park

Look! Construction! Work on Near West Theater has started, after punching through the permafrost!

 

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

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There is a meeting at Our Lady of Mt. Carmel next Tuesday March 4 to hear the Cleveland Metroparks plans for Edgewater Park this year and in the future.  The levy increase was on the ballot in November and passed, therefore increasing their funding.  They have big plans for this space and it could be the elite green space in the state of Ohio if managed correctly.  Detroit-Shoreway has taken a collaborative approach to try and make this park part of the fabric of the neighborhood.  I have asked them to move the meeting start time from 4:30 to 6 PM in order to increase attendance.

There is a meeting at Our Lady of Mt. Carmel next Tuesday March 4 to hear the Cleveland Metroparks plans for Edgewater Park this year and in the future.  The levy increase was on the ballot in November and passed, therefore increasing their funding.  They have big plans for this space and it could be the elite green space in the state of Ohio if managed correctly.  Detroit-Shoreway has taken a collaborative approach to try and make this park part of the fabric of the neighborhood.  I have asked them to move the meeting start time from 4:30 to 6 PM in order to increase attendance.

 

This is huge.  You want lakefront developement?  Start with what we already have and clean up the years of neglect.  Connect it to a neighborhood through the redesigned Shoreway.  Then you have momentum to let it spread to the east.

Only one item on the agenda....

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2014/02272014/index.php

 

Cleveland Planning Commission

AGENDA - February 27, 2014

 

1. Franklin-West Clinton Historic District

Uncle Dee's 6501 Franklin Boulevard

Demolition for future public park

 

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Wow KJP.  Thank you.  That may only be one item, but i love that item.

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