Went to a soft opening for GroundSwell, a new yoga studio owned by Harness Cycle.  It's in the same building as Cleveland Motorcycles on 65th and Herman.  They have build a really cool rooftop deck and are working on a hot yoga studio on the 2nd floor of the building.  They are on the Cleveland Hustles show.

 

Does anyone know what the building at 58th and Herman is being demolished for?  It was for sale/lease for a while.

 

No.  I just saw that demo (the NW corner of 58th and Herman) and wondered the same myself.

The Edison at Gordon Square:

 

Nice little trailer advertising life in the Detroit Shoreway

 

http://www.edisongordonsquare.com/

Exciting to see a development of this magnitude coming to an area that so desperately needs an influx of new, market rate housing.  Hats off to NRP Group for the vision and commitment to Cleveland!  The Edison, along with the affordable project on w117th, really shows their commitment to Cleveland.  Hopefully the recent sale of the Vue will lead to even more local projects in the near future.

For those who haven't seen this development...it is HUGE.  It is a small city really.  If only the Westinghouse building could be next.

Took a walk down to Edgewater today and went down 65th  past Breakwater. Wow. I didn't realize the Edison project was THAT big! And Looks like they've made quite a bit of progress. Snapped some pics of course...

 

 

 

 

 

I heard a rumor, and I know nothing more than what I'm posting so I cannot provide any further details.  Take it for what it's worth, which is simply a rumor.

 

I heard that the area between 65th and 58th, Herman and Breakwater has existing plans to be taken over by the city by eminent domain for condo development.

 

If they take that public park that will be really upsetting.

 

 

 

 

You mean Herman Park, the one with the baseball field? That is already owned by the city. That wouldn't be eminent domain if they decided to sell it to a private party for condo development. That would be unfortunate for the residents though.

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Hawken School to open early childhood center at 54th and Detroit with a $1.2 million dollar purchase.

 

http://realestate.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2016/10/hawken_school_expands_to_cleve.html#incart_m-rpt-1

 

 

They appear to be starting demo of Max Hayes.  Does anyone know what the current plan is for that site, or if it is even decided?

They appear to be starting demo of Max Hayes.  Does anyone know what the current plan is for that site, or if it is even decided?

 

From a Ward 15 residents update back in June...

 

"The new West Side High School, promised years ago when the closing of West Technical High School led to overcrowding at Lincoln West, Rhodes and John Marshall, is, finally, coming to fruition. The site of the new school will be the former Max Hayes campus at 4600 Detroit Avenue. ICON Construction’s Superintendent Javorek says the abatement on the old Max Hayes school will begin in the third week of June of this year and be completed in September or October. Demolition will take place from October of 2016 to January of 2017."

 

https://plainpress.wordpress.com/2016/06/06/ward-15-residents-receive-update-on-school-construction-plans/

OK, thanks!  It looks like this high school will primarily service the growing areas of the near westside like Ohio City and Detroit Shoreway.  I wonder if it will be considered a viable option by the newer, more affluent residents moving into this area.

That was quick! Some time between 8:30am and 6pm yesterday, the majority of the existing Max Hayes structure was reduced to rubble.

 

While it's a prime development spot, the city could certainly use a decent public school. Let's hope they can find a way to pull it off.

 

Before any demolition (except for condemned structures) can be approved, a site plan must be submitted. Here was the conceptual site plan (which could change) submitted by the school district for the Max Hayes site....

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2015/12102015/index.php

 

 

 

More photos and discussion at:

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,653.msg781937.html#msg781937

Another light agenda this week. Here's the only thing of note....

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2016/11102016/index.php

 

Cleveland Landmarks Commission

 

Ohio City Historic District

West 52nd and Franklin

Demolition and New Townhomes

Ward 15

Zone

Bill Sanderson

Gillian Hall

Knez Builders

Jesus...

 

 

 

Arrivederci Max Hayes on Detroit (pic attached). Are we 100℅ a new high school is going up here?

 

 

 

Jesus...

 

 

 

I don't understand your comment to the conceptual plan?

Jesus...

 

 

 

I don't understand your comment to the conceptual plan?

 

I'm guessing it's the massive parking lot fronting a highly visible section of Detroit Ave.

Jesus...

 

 

I don't understand your comment to the conceptual plan?

 

I'm guessing it's the massive parking lot fronting a highly visible section of Detroit Ave.

 

Exactly.  I'm all for giving prime real estate over to schools but at least make the building and design worthy of such a prime location.  I understand that this is a preliminary conceptual site plan but come on!  This is wretched. 

They should split the site in half, build the new school (with a couple stories added) on the western side, and then sell the eastern side to a developer for some serious cash. But that would make too much sense. Why would they want to make any money off of this?

They should split the site in half, build the new school (with a couple stories added) on the western side, and then sell the eastern side to a developer for some serious cash. But that would make too much sense. Why would they want to make any money off of this?

 

Public schools and housing should by law be required to perform a real cost-benefit analysis for relocating. It's just fiscally irresponsible not to.

I hate that site plan too, but the idea that there was real money to be made by selling off a piece of this site and building more vertical seems pretty dubious.

Met the guy who is building on the double parcel recently demolished at 67th & Fr. Caruso.

 

I was figuring someone was going to cram a small row of townhouses on it, but the plan is for two custom-build single family homes, not adjoined.  Guy told be the name of the architect but I already forgot. 

 

Just my gut takeaway from the conversation ... it's going to be really nice and high end.

They should split the site in half, build the new school (with a couple stories added) on the western side, and then sell the eastern side to a developer for some serious cash. But that would make too much sense. Why would they want to make any money off of this?

 

Public schools and housing should by law be required to perform a real cost-benefit analysis for relocating. It's just fiscally irresponsible not to.

 

I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking this.  That real estate would have to rank on the higher value parcels in the entire city outside of downtown.  Why wouldn't the cash-strapped CMSD want to sell that and move up the road?  There is a ton of property further up Detroit near that new dog kennel (grrrrr), close to the Red Line, etc that would have let them turn a profit and get a new school

A specific public education need would have to be the driver of a real estate transaction intended to produce revenue. It is illegal for a public jurisdiction to achieve a profit (or loss) at the end of a fiscal year, so if there is a balance, there has to be an encumbrance to offset it. In fact, public entities can't even own property unless they have intention to use it to serve their legal mission.

A specific public education need would have to be the driver of a real estate transaction intended to produce revenue. It is illegal for a public jurisdiction to achieve a profit (or loss) at the end of a fiscal year, so if there is a balance, there has to be an encumbrance to offset it. In fact, public entities can't even own property unless they have intention to use it to serve their legal mission.

 

Coming from a district that has been in a pretty dire financial situation for the last 40+ years, I would think they would be able to identify a "need" to justify selling this land.    I'm sure the profit could cover thousands of computers, etc....

Public entities ID the need first, then look for the money. They aren't allowed to come up with the money first and then look for the need. Nor are they allowed to generate profits.

Public entities ID the need first, then look for the money. They aren't allowed to come up with the money first and then look for the need. Nor are they allowed to generate profits.

 

How did it work for the offing of the downtown HQ to a hotel developer then?  I guess the adminstrators had a "need" that students and teachers don't have?

A specific public education need would have to be the driver of a real estate transaction intended to produce revenue. It is illegal for a public jurisdiction to achieve a profit (or loss) at the end of a fiscal year, so if there is a balance, there has to be an encumbrance to offset it. In fact, public entities can't even own property unless they have intention to use it to serve their legal mission.

 

I don't know the ins and outs of Ohio public law, but I doubt this is is really much of an issue. States routinely run surpluses to create "rainy day funds," for example, and courts are extremely deferential and considering "public purpose." There is also wide leeway for planning multi year capital budgets.

 

I don't think there's much of a mystery here why CMSD is doing what it's doing. There's no public high school on the near West side and very few available large lots. Vacant land is fairly cheap in Cleveland, even in Ohio City and vertical construction (especially over an open span like a gym/auditorium) and structured parking are expensive to build.

 

How did it work for the offing of the downtown HQ to a hotel developer then?  I guess the adminstrators had a "need" that students and teachers don't have?

 

I'm sure it was part of their overall facilities plan. They probably would have stayed in the administration building if they considered it usable. Furthermore, state funding policies reward school districts for constructing new buildings (or renting) rather than rebuilding old facilities. How the administration building was disposed of likely wasn't the relevant part of their plans.

 

So to bring this back around to this purpose of this thread, if the city (or a private developer) wants to stick their nose in here and offer the school district a trade in properties, then that might get the CMSD out of the Max Hayes site. But the CMSD, like most public entities, looks for the path of least resistance. And they already have site control at their Max Hayes property.

A specific public education need would have to be the driver of a real estate transaction intended to produce revenue. It is illegal for a public jurisdiction to achieve a profit (or loss) at the end of a fiscal year, so if there is a balance, there has to be an encumbrance to offset it. In fact, public entities can't even own property unless they have intention to use it to serve their legal mission.

 

I don't know the ins and outs of Ohio public law, but I doubt this is is really much of an issue. States routinely run surpluses to create "rainy day funds," for example, and courts are extremely deferential and considering "public purpose." There is also wide leeway for planning multi year capital budgets.

 

I don't think there's much of a mystery here why CMSD is doing what it's doing. There's no public high school on the near West side and very few available large lots. Vacant land is fairly cheap in Cleveland, even in Ohio City and vertical construction (especially over an open span like a gym/auditorium) and structured parking are expensive to build.

 

I don't think a large lot without a view of the lake and Edgewater would be hard to find.  I can think of a couple without putting much effort into it, starting with the Trinity development site next to the new kennel.    It even has better transit access for the students!

^The Trinity site would definitely be good for a school, very true, assuming the enviro clean permits that kind of use. Would certainly be better than a stupid kennel. But there really aren't very many big, development-ready sites in Ohio City and Detroit Shoreway I don't think.

The Edison has started taking reservations for apartments! I've been in touch with the leasing office and the first building should be opening up in April with hard hat tours starting in January. I'll be taking a hard hat tour and will be sure to post pictures afterwords. Has anyone had experience with the NRP Group? Do they generally do good work?

The Edison has started taking reservations for apartments! I've been in touch with the leasing office and the first building should be opening up in April with hard hat tours starting in January. I'll be taking a hard hat tour and will be sure to post pictures afterwords. Has anyone had experience with the NRP Group? Do they generally do good work?

 

 

I've been watching the construction from the start (live in the neighborhod).  I don't know anything about it, but reading here there was some concerns raised in this forum about the fact they they were "stick built" despite being 4-5 stories.  What this means... hell if I know... but if I was buying a condo unit that might give me pause about the future.

 

That said, if I were renting and wanted to live in the neighborhood I'd jump on it.  They have built in a little walk way that connect directly into the 65th St Edgewater tunnel.    I think they're going to be a hit.

I live in the Beachwood property they developed and they did a nice job.  It will be good for the neighborhood.

The Edison has started taking reservations for apartments! I've been in touch with the leasing office and the first building should be opening up in April with hard hat tours starting in January. I'll be taking a hard hat tour and will be sure to post pictures afterwords. Has anyone had experience with the NRP Group? Do they generally do good work?

 

 

I've been watching the construction from the start (live in the neighborhod).  I don't know anything about it, but reading here there was some concerns raised in this forum about the fact they they were "stick built" despite being 4-5 stories.  What this means... hell if I know... but if I was buying a condo unit that might give me pause about the future.

 

That said, if I were renting and wanted to live in the neighborhood I'd jump on it.  They have built in a little walk way that connect directly into the 65th St Edgewater tunnel.    I think they're going to be a hit.

 

The stick built wont matter to a renter, but the life of the buildings will be shorter...they will decay faster, than say the new apartment buildings that are going up on Detroit around w 30th...  they are concrete and steel.

 

All that "wood" exposed to the elements during construction will be problematic for NPR going forward,  Just crap construction, thrown up hastily, and since the owners are in Texas they wont care about maintaining it once they get their money back out.

 

Look at the condos going up in battery park...notice the "green board" as the external sheathing......Look at what the Edison has.   

 

 

First off, NRP is based right here in Cleveland, not Texas. Secondly, the whole company is extremely excited for this product. The owner has teamed up with the Cleveland Hustles group to promote the neighborhood and all the good stuff going on to prospective tenants. They deeply care about the success of this project. And finally, I am personally responsible for the maintenance of this property...You should not be worried.

^So are you saying KennyBabes post is "fake news"? :wink:

Absolutely fake news!

I was at NRP groups pitch meeting to the community a few years back. They took the heat in that meeting and responded well.  They will do fine.

I was at NRP groups pitch meeting to the community a few years back. They took the heat in that meeting and responded well.  They will do fine.

 

of course they will do fine.  they will make their money.   

 

First off, NRP is based right here in Cleveland, not Texas. Secondly, the whole company is extremely excited for this product. The owner has teamed up with the Cleveland Hustles group to promote the neighborhood and all the good stuff going on to prospective tenants. They deeply care about the success of this project. And finally, I am personally responsible for the maintenance of this property...You should not be worried.

 

Is that a lifetime appointment?  Of course they are pumping up the excitement for this project...it makes them more money.    And using free publicity, that is novel idea. 

 

It is pretty simple...drive by this, and drive by the apartments on Detroit around w.32.  One of these things is not like the other.

 

I am happy to have more people in the neighborhood.  I don't mind people making money.    This could have been a much higher quality build, especially for the rents being asked. 

 

K & D sold Stonebridge.  They were all excited for that.  The build quality was terrible, and everybody is paying the price....including them  that is how bad that was...the developer had to come up shooting to fix it, that is almost unheard of.

 

 

It is what it is, it is going up, no stopping it now.    I don't expect you to be in charge of maintenance in 10 years, if you are I will buy you a beer, I am not going anywhere. 

 

BUT I am also not going to buy into how great the construction is....it isn't.

First off, NRP is based right here in Cleveland, not Texas. Secondly, the whole company is extremely excited for this product. The owner has teamed up with the Cleveland Hustles group to promote the neighborhood and all the good stuff going on to prospective tenants. They deeply care about the success of this project. And finally, I am personally responsible for the maintenance of this property...You should not be worried.

 

That's awesome to hear! I didn't know they had partnered with the Cleveland Hustles group. That's exciting! I really liked the show, I hope they can do future series in other neighborhoods! YO to the CLE, you'll more than likely have me as a tenant in the last building opening up in August! Very excited to move into the neighborhood next year :-D

I was at NRP groups pitch meeting to the community a few years back. They took the heat in that meeting and responded well.  They will do fine.

 

of course they will do fine.  they will make their money.   

 

First off, NRP is based right here in Cleveland, not Texas. Secondly, the whole company is extremely excited for this product. The owner has teamed up with the Cleveland Hustles group to promote the neighborhood and all the good stuff going on to prospective tenants. They deeply care about the success of this project. And finally, I am personally responsible for the maintenance of this property...You should not be worried.

 

Is that a lifetime appointment?  Of course they are pumping up the excitement for this project...it makes them more money.    And using free publicity, that is novel idea. 

 

It is pretty simple...drive by this, and drive by the apartments on Detroit around w.32.  One of these things is not like the other.

 

I am happy to have more people in the neighborhood.  I don't mind people making money.    This could have been a much higher quality build, especially for the rents being asked. 

 

K & D sold Stonebridge.  They were all excited for that.  The build quality was terrible, and everybody is paying the price....including them  that is how bad that was...the developer had to come up shooting to fix it, that is almost unheard of.

 

 

It is what it is, it is going up, no stopping it now.    I don't expect you to be in charge of maintenance in 10 years, if you are I will buy you a beer, I am not going anywhere. 

 

BUT I am also not going to buy into how great the construction is....it isn't.

 

I don't think it's wise to compare a singular 56 unit apartment building to a large 10acre neighborhood changing development. 

Admittedly I do not know much about construction methods, so I may risk coming across as a bit ignorant here but... aren't a large portion of the homes in Cleveland stick-built? I live in the Gordon Square area and the duplex I live in dates back to at least 1900 and it's still going strong. What's the difference between my house and the houses being built by NRP?

The Edison has started taking reservations for apartments! I've been in touch with the leasing office and the first building should be opening up in April with hard hat tours starting in January. I'll be taking a hard hat tour and will be sure to post pictures afterwords. Has anyone had experience with the NRP Group? Do they generally do good work?

 

 

I've been watching the construction from the start (live in the neighborhod).  I don't know anything about it, but reading here there was some concerns raised in this forum about the fact they they were "stick built" despite being 4-5 stories.  What this means... hell if I know... but if I was buying a condo unit that might give me pause about the future.

 

That said, if I were renting and wanted to live in the neighborhood I'd jump on it.  They have built in a little walk way that connect directly into the 65th St Edgewater tunnel.    I think they're going to be a hit.

 

The stick built wont matter to a renter, but the life of the buildings will be shorter...they will decay faster, than say the new apartment buildings that are going up on Detroit around w 30th...  they are concrete and steel.

 

All that "wood" exposed to the elements during construction will be problematic for NPR going forward,  Just crap construction, thrown up hastily, and since the owners are in Texas they wont care about maintaining it once they get their money back out.

 

Look at the condos going up in battery park...notice the "green board" as the external sheathing......Look at what the Edison has.   

 

 

Multi family construction allows wood framing at 4 stories and under.  Ohio Building Code is followed.  Enough said on that.

 

Comparisons to Stonebridge are a little ridiculous.  The developer paid off the inspectors to look the other way.  And they went to jail.  And from what I have read, it was a faulty design.

 

If you don't like it, don't buy it, but don't say it's cheap and won't last.  Not everything has to be brick & stone.

The Edison has started taking reservations for apartments! I've been in touch with the leasing office and the first building should be opening up in April with hard hat tours starting in January. I'll be taking a hard hat tour and will be sure to post pictures afterwords. Has anyone had experience with the NRP Group? Do they generally do good work?

 

 

I've been watching the construction from the start (live in the neighborhod).  I don't know anything about it, but reading here there was some concerns raised in this forum about the fact they they were "stick built" despite being 4-5 stories.  What this means... hell if I know... but if I was buying a condo unit that might give me pause about the future.

 

That said, if I were renting and wanted to live in the neighborhood I'd jump on it.  They have built in a little walk way that connect directly into the 65th St Edgewater tunnel.    I think they're going to be a hit.

 

The stick built wont matter to a renter, but the life of the buildings will be shorter...they will decay faster, than say the new apartment buildings that are going up on Detroit around w 30th...  they are concrete and steel.

 

All that "wood" exposed to the elements during construction will be problematic for NPR going forward,  Just crap construction, thrown up hastily, and since the owners are in Texas they wont care about maintaining it once they get their money back out.

 

Look at the condos going up in battery park...notice the "green board" as the external sheathing......Look at what the Edison has.   

 

 

Multi family construction allows wood framing at 4 stories and under.  Ohio Building Code is followed.  Enough said on that.

 

Comparisons to Stonebridge are a little ridiculous.  The developer paid off the inspectors to look the other way.  And they went to jail.  And from what I have read, it was a faulty design.

 

If you don't like it, don't buy it, but don't say it's cheap and won't last.  Not everything has to be brick & stone.

 

Nobody can buy it, it is rental property.

 

Ohio building code is the minimum...just doing the minimum is not high quality.

 

I can say whatever I like.  I drive by it every day.  I have seen the sheathing exposed to the rain elements. 

 

 

^you just tipped off how little you know about construction.  Have a good day.

Oh, come on.  We've all been in new construction that "met code", but was of lousy build quality.  I'm talking brand new buildings where the floors squeak like century homes, doors and windows that won't open or close right, walls that aren't square.  I had a friend who used to install cabinets and counter tops tell me horror stories of how hard it was to cover the poor build quality of the new construction condos he was installing in- having to custom cut everything because nothing was square and completely straight. 

 

Lumber is of incredibly low quality these days.

Oh, come on.  We've all been in new construction that "met code", but was of lousy build quality.  I'm talking brand new buildings where the floors squeak like century homes, doors and windows that won't open or close right, walls that aren't square.  I had a friend who used to install cabinets and counter tops tell me horror stories of how hard it was to cover the poor build quality of the new construction condos he was installing in- having to custom cut everything because nothing was square and completely straight. 

 

Lumber is of incredibly low quality these days.

 

And I've been in plenty of out-of-square, out-of-level, concrete slab & steel framed buildings.  you know, floors that were out of level from 1 edge to the other by a couple inches.  Steel framing that had to be made up with masonry by a couple inches of mortar joints...  What's your point?