LGBT community center on Detroit. Looks like the steel framing is done.

 

And coming down the home stretch at Aspen Place TOD on Lorain.

Edited November 9, 20186 yr by KJP

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2018/11162018/index.php

NEAR WEST DESIGN REVIEW

NW2018-032 – Edgewater Hill Townhomes New Construction: Seeking Schematic Design Approval
Project Location: West 73rd Street near Herman Avenue
Project Representative: Garrett Lapping, Sixmo Architects

 

 

 

 

 

 

I really like the large covered front porches. I think that's a nice aspect to tie the overall contemporary design in with the existing neighborhood homes.

This neighborhood is killing it right now. I love it!

Not surprised to see the architect of this project is the same one who did Battery Park Townhomes. On their own the design is okay, I just wish these architects would switch up their design language from project to project. I get that they're trying to have a "signature" look but these new ones are just going to only contribute to the oversaturation of the housing market in Gordon Square while not contributing anything interesting architecturally. 

Oversaturation? Seems like demand is meeting supply.

On 11/14/2018 at 2:08 PM, Cavalier Attitude said:

Oversaturation? Seems like demand is meeting supply.

 

 

Agreed.  The town-homes seem to keep on selling ... at higher and higher price points.

 

The only thing that I hear is struggling are the 5-story apartments in Battery Park.  Supposedly those are only around 20-25% occupancy.

Put that apartment building on Detroit Avenue or down by the Rapid station at West 65th, add a fresh food bodega on the ground floor, and I bet would fill up quickly. Yet, as I type this, I remind myself that The Edison was NRP Group's fastest lease-out in company history. 

9 hours ago, KJP said:

Put that apartment building on Detroit Avenue or down by the Rapid station at West 65th, add a fresh food bodega on the ground floor, and I bet would fill up quickly. Yet, as I type this, I remind myself that The Edison was NRP Group's fastest lease-out in company history. 

 

Yeah. I don't know why the Edison was such a hit while the very similar apartments in BP that are just three blocks over with the same appearance, same lake access etc aren't filling.

 

I'm stumped on that one.

I don't remember seeing this posted anywhere, but I recently noticed an interesting sale on Detroit Ave...

 

The small (and fairly decrepit) building on Detroit and W 69th, which currently houses Subway and Georgio's Pizza, was sold in October for $320K.  The buyer is listed as PWF GORDON SQ LLC on the County site, and a quick Google search links it back to an agent at CRE firm Marcus & Millichap. 

 

While $5 subs and hot-and-ready pizzas have their place, it would be great to replace this building, and the ugly parking lot that fronts Detroit Ave, with something new to extend the pedestrian-friendly retail west toward Lake Ave.  

1 hour ago, ML11 said:

While $5 subs and hot-and-ready pizzas have their place, it would be great to replace this building, and the ugly parking lot that fronts Detroit Ave, with something new to extend the pedestrian-friendly retail west toward Lake Ave.  

They would be okay-with-me ground floor tenants in a larger, more appropriate mixed use building. 

I see two incorporators. The first was in August: SCOTT WILES, 5005 ROCKSIDE ROAD #1100

 

The more recent incorporator, in October, was Jason Chamoun, son of the founder of Georgios Pizza and current president of the company. Their main office is at 23366 Commerce Park #102B, Beachwood. He also lists two other companies on his LinkedIn profile....

 

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-chamoun-76901a153

 

However, he has incorporated or registered only one company in Ohio in his name: PWF Gordon Sq LLC. That leads me to believe this isn't for just another store location. Why establish (er, re-establish) a store this way when they haven't established their many other stores in this manner.

 

Edited November 19, 20186 yr by KJP

On 11/18/2018 at 7:57 AM, dergon darkhelm said:

 

Yeah. I don't know why the Edison was such a hit while the very similar apartments in BP that are just three blocks over with the same appearance, same lake access etc aren't filling.

 

I'm stumped on that one.

 

What is the price difference in rent? Are they the same? I know the Edison is a bit cheaper than the new Ohio City apartments, but is that also the case with the apartments in its same neighborhood?

On 11/17/2018 at 10:17 PM, KJP said:

Put that apartment building on Detroit Avenue or down by the Rapid station at West 65th, add a fresh food bodega on the ground floor, and I bet would fill up quickly. Yet, as I type this, I remind myself that The Edison was NRP Group's fastest lease-out in company history. 

Anecdote: I used to live in the 1010 Euclid building (operated by the 9). A lot of residents left 1010 and the 9 for The Edison. So I don't know exactly how they did it, but it seems like they did a very good job of marketing to the luxury renters.

I can only imagine that the success of the Edison was the culmination of a few favorable factors including but not limited to the good economic timing, a fresh, up-and-coming neighborhood, the recent revitalization of Edgewater Beach, and the fact that the Edison has a pool. One thing I notice about the Edison which is different than most other projects in the area is how closely it resembles typical "upscale" college apartments surrounding OSU in Columbus. I think it's possible that recent college grads looking to continue that same lifestyle they're comfortable with felt right at home in the Edison with its quads and inward oriented units. 

 

Battery Park Lofts I'm sure will end up fully leased but it does seem to appeal to a slightly more mature crowd than the Edison. To me, BPL doesn't quite have the gravitas of The Shoreway which is an absolutely impeccably designed and executed project that constantly has a waiting list to get into. 

Edited November 20, 20186 yr by westlake10

Suburban builder joins West Side building frenzy

 

Although Bennett Builders of Westlake has been a home builder for 60 years and traces its roots to a plumbing company launched 100 years ago, the family owned business is on the verge of making a change from its typical suburban playbook.

 

Through West 54th Townhomes LLC, a joint venture between three members of the Bennett family and mortgage banker Martin Smith, the company plans to build a six-unit townhouse project on an empty lot in the Detroit-Shoreway neighborhood.

 

https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/suburban-builder-joins-west-side-building-frenzy

1 hour ago, westlake10 said:

I can only imagine that the success of the Edison was the culmination of a few favorable factors including but not limited to the good economic timing, a fresh, up-and-coming neighborhood, the recent revitalization of Edgewater Beach, and the fact that the Edison has a pool. One thing I notice about the Edison which is different than most other projects in the area is how closely it resembles typical "upscale" college apartments surrounding OSU in Columbus. I think it's possible that recent college grads looking to continue that same lifestyle they're comfortable with felt right at home in the Edison with its quads and inward oriented units. 

 

Battery Park Lofts I'm sure will end up fully leased but it does seem to appeal to a slightly more mature crowd than the Edison. To me, BPL doesn't quite have the gravitas of The Shoreway which is an absolutely impeccably designed and executed project that constantly has a waiting list to get into. 

 

The Edison worries me. 

 

I have several friends who've lived in there - the building literally shakes when a train goes by or when a door is slammed too quickly. I get the feeling the construction won't last the test of time

1 hour ago, YABO713 said:

 

The Edison worries me. 

 

I have several friends who've lived in there - the building literally shakes when a train goes by or when a door is slammed too quickly. I get the feeling the construction won't last the test of time

 

Eh, my 140+ year-old home in Ohio City does the same thing. There is a lot of housing stock in this city that has outlived its intended lifespan. It then becomes a question of appropriate maintenance as opposed to construction. 

4 hours ago, YABO713 said:

 

The Edison worries me. 

 

I have several friends who've lived in there - the building literally shakes when a train goes by or when a door is slammed too quickly. I get the feeling the construction won't last the test of time

 

Lived there for a year and I experienced much of the same. I was pretty unhappy with the unit actually. Shoddy construction (the framing for one of the walls in my unit was literally bowed in ~2 inches) and you could hear neighbors arguing in their apartment from an entire hallway away. The pool was great the first summer when units were still filling up, but it got too crowded once it was fully leased. By the time I moved out you were only allowed two guests on weekdays and no guests on weekends or holidays.

 

I was able to rent at a very reduced rate due to signing my lease extremely early (like 8 months) and I still don't think the unit was worth the price. I definitely think there are opportunities for much better value in the near west side.

 

For those just out of college looking to continue that lifestyle it might be a good fit, but I'm moving further and further from their that demographic. I'm very curious what their turnover rate is like, I don't think I've talked to a single person that was happy with living there tbh.

On 7/19/2018 at 11:28 AM, Clefan98 said:

THE SLATE TOWNHOMES

 

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Project Information

Near West Case #  NW 2018-022

Address: 5605-5609 Herman Avenue

Company: Horton Harper Architects

Architect: Westleigh Harper

Description: A 19 unit new construction, fee simple townhome development on Herman Avenue between West 54th and West 58th Streets.

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/brd/detailDR.php?ID=2910&CASE=NW%202018-022

 

 

These just hit the market:

 

https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/house_type/77002_rid/0_singlestory/featured_sort/41.51792,-81.70257,41.437402,-81.775317_rect/X1-SS-1mcpdkqc03r3p_9abc1_sse/0_mmm/2086955508_zpid/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=emo-instantsavedsearch&utm_term=urn:msg:20181120173105d4fcc79e95ec4d5f&utm_content=20181120-forsaleaddress-PSS&3col=true

Edited November 21, 20186 yr by Clefan98

On 11/20/2018 at 9:35 AM, YABO713 said:

 

The Edison worries me. 

 

I have several friends who've lived in there - the building literally shakes when a train goes by or when a door is slammed too quickly. I get the feeling the construction won't last the test of time

Yep, sounds just like student housing ?

 

New construction is a funny thing. I'm not sure how much experience you have with it, but my limited knowledge and research points to a few key takeaways regarding new vs old. What defines new construction more than almost anything is emphasis on energy efficiency, preventing water ingress, and sustainability. The reality is that most newer types of construction are of good "quality" when using these parameters but don't have the same "solid" feel of older builds because of the materials that are being used to meet these parameters. Add to that the ever-increasing cost of conforming to gov't regs and inspections and you have some of the problems you mention at the Edison. 

On 11/21/2018 at 9:43 AM, Clefan98 said:

 

These just hit the market:

 

https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/house_type/77002_rid/0_singlestory/featured_sort/41.51792,-81.70257,41.437402,-81.775317_rect/X1-SS-1mcpdkqc03r3p_9abc1_sse/0_mmm/2086955508_zpid/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=emo-instantsavedsearch&utm_term=urn:msg:20181120173105d4fcc79e95ec4d5f&utm_content=20181120-forsaleaddress-PSS&3col=true

Holy hell those $/sf. numbers are high. Hope they sell for ask.

On 11/20/2018 at 1:20 PM, dastler said:

 

Lived there for a year and I experienced much of the same. I was pretty unhappy with the unit actually. Shoddy construction (the framing for one of the walls in my unit was literally bowed in ~2 inches) and you could hear neighbors arguing in their apartment from an entire hallway away. The pool was great the first summer when units were still filling up, but it got too crowded once it was fully leased. By the time I moved out you were only allowed two guests on weekdays and no guests on weekends or holidays.

 

I was able to rent at a very reduced rate due to signing my lease extremely early (like 8 months) and I still don't think the unit was worth the price. I definitely think there are opportunities for much better value in the near west side.

 

For those just out of college looking to continue that lifestyle it might be a good fit, but I'm moving further and further from their that demographic. I'm very curious what their turnover rate is like, I don't think I've talked to a single person that was happy with living there tbh.

 Is this the same group that constructed the Vue in Beachwood? If so, they are clearly cutting corners. The Vue has major issues in the past year.  Although it was the management that was not responding to the tenants, the issues were leaking, structural, etc

 

^Flight Cleveland looks great.  Finally, a restaurant in Cleveland without exposed heating and cooling duct-work, lol.

On 12/9/2018 at 2:07 AM, jeremyck01 said:

^Flight Cleveland looks great.  Finally, a restaurant in Cleveland without exposed heating and cooling duct-work, lol.

 

 

We went last night. It was very nice.  Well lit, clean, exposed brick.   You can get recommended flights of 3-tastes (they have maybe a dozen on the menu) or build-your-own.   Each comes with its own tasting notes on a card that you can keep.  The bottles on the menu (and many more) are also available for purchase in the "store" area, which is just an open air part of the seating areas.

 

 

_______

 

Unrelated note: I walked by the Shoreway Building yesterday.   And the new place Good Company, in the old Vita Urban spot, is now open.   

One of my favorite before and after shots I've ever obtained from Google Maps... wow

 

 

 

https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2019/01/14/good-company-the-plum-crews-plum-like-take-on-a-neighborhood-bar-opens-this-week-in-battery-park

 

New place set to open in the ground floor of The Shoreway building this week.  Excited to see what this crew can do with it. 

 

One interesting note from the article: "And soon, a new parking lot will be unveiled just steps away, obviating future plaints of ambulatory anguish."

I'm guessing this is just the space south of the Shoreway building, but haven't noticed any movement? 

3 hours ago, YABO713 said:

One of my favorite before and after shots I've ever obtained from Google Maps... wow

 

 

 

Did you post this as a sinister kind of experiment? Because it's working!! 

20 hours ago, YABO713 said:

One of my favorite before and after shots I've ever obtained from Google Maps... wow

 

 

 

 

I've been down in this neighborhood since the late 90s.   Sometimes when I'm just living it day-by-day I forget just how radical the transformation of the 1 mile around my home ... Edgewater Park, Battery Park, all of the Bluffs, Gordon Square ..... has been 

^Am I not getting something?  I just see a map of North America, but I'm pretty sure I'm supposed to see a part of Cleveland before and after.  Am I just tech illiterate? lol

Increase the scale repetitively using '+'.  Then, click the satellite view.

They look identical to me

Sorry guys, for some reason my google maps embedded here as an earth level view... 

i just have to do a screen grab I guess, everything I try to link gets embedded as a map of earth... 

 

 

VERSUS

 

Oh this one sounds good...

 

a certificate of disclosure has had been filed with the city between paramount-breakwater properties (seller) and sustainable community associates (buyer) for the purchase of a property at 1200 west 58th street...the abandoned Westinghouse tower

^That's amazing!

Ohh yes!! Finally. And Those guys have done absolutely flawless work thus far with their other conversions. This is going to be a crowning jewel on the West shore coast

This rehab project (presumably!) couldn't be in better hands. Josh is also @jrosen a poster here at UO.

 

On 1/26/2019 at 11:13 AM, KJP said:

 

 

This is one of my favorite projects in Cleveland and we need to replicate it in OhC, UC/Little Italy, Kamm’s, etc. Its truly phenomenal. Not only are they providing great ToD, but also well designed affordable housing that the residents deserve. 

Edited January 28, 20196 yr by imjustinjk

To me, the cool part is when you're riding the Red Line past Aspen Place, it seems taller than it really is because the tracks are down in the trench. So Aspen Place appears to tower over the passing trains.

 

 

FWIW, make sure you swing by the Big Egg whenever you have the chance. Last 3x I've been in there I was one of five or fewer people. 

Just now, YABO713 said:

FWIW, make sure you swing by the Big Egg whenever you have the chance. Last 3x I've been in there I was one of five or fewer people. 

The Big Egg was the place for late night eats back in the day. You could eat your meal among Cleveland's finest citizens including cops, prostitutes, and those under the influence of various substances. 

5 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

FWIW, make sure you swing by the Big Egg whenever you have the chance. Last 3x I've been in there I was one of five or fewer people. 

 

Too bad the owner of the Bid Egg is holding up a MAJOR new potential office development.

2 minutes ago, freefourur said:

The Big Egg was the place for late night eats back in the day. You could eat your meal among Cleveland's finest citizens including cops, prostitutes, and those under the influence of various substances. 

 

And you can still find 2 pancakes, 2 eggs, 2 bacon, 2 sausage for $6, so get your a** there ? 

1 minute ago, Clefan98 said:

 

Too bad the owner of the Bid Egg is holding up a MAJOR new potential office development.

 

Guy always seems a bit nutty to me, he goes on rants all the time when I'm in there.

 

This is also discouraging to hear, as my house is about 1/4 mile from the Big Egg

No offense meant but I wouldn't mind seeing the Big Egg die, assuming something good would replace it. Between the owner being a jerk, food being meh, and the health code violations...

2 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

 

Too bad the owner of the Bid Egg is holding up a MAJOR new potential office development.

 

Can you elaborate??

 

2 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

 

And you can still find 2 pancakes, 2 eggs, 2 bacon, 2 sausage for $6, so get your a** there ? 

 

I was by there in the evening last week and it was dark inside.