June 1, 20196 yr 2 hours ago, JSC216 said: If you wanted to do anything I would suggest reducing the amount of pavement on the intersection. Reduce Lake to 25ft, one lane in each direction. On the south side of the street create a two way 10 ft bike lane with a 5ft landscaped buffer from traffic. I think we should take advantage of our wide steeets and use them to leverage future density. We may be a shrinking city but we should make plans like we’re growing. Im a cyclist but I want to exercise my full rights to the road, I’d rather not have a parallel lane for my own use. From what I’ve seen in other cities, bike lanes have their own safety issues, not to mention the costs and the congestion they create. I’m happy to share the road despite the risks. We were just in Mexico City and they have many roundabouts (with speed bumps) to slow traffic. Not sure how speedbumps would work with snow plows but they seem to work well in a warm city of 25 million. Mexicans use the islands in the center of their roundabouts to express their cultural and civic pride with monuments. I think we could do the same.
June 2, 20196 yr 3 hours ago, KJP said: I like the idea of a roundabout with a fountain and/or statue because it is placemaking that calms traffic, provides a spark for development, and it provides a legal basis for taking neighborhood-deflating properties from neighborhood-deflating owners. What, a public art display/Target advertisement in front of a Burger King parking lot doesn't accomplish this?
June 14, 20196 yr Now, hand sketched renderings aren’t my wheelhouse, but I see this as a way to connect and smooth out the mess of streets at the Lake/Detroit intersection while opening it for development. Edited June 14, 20196 yr by marty15
June 14, 20196 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 14, 20196 yr Cleaned it up a little bit. Submitting to the city this evening. If any of you have any ideas/suggestions, the deadline is tomorrow for the Lake Ave. masterplan. cleveland.mindmixer.com
June 14, 20196 yr 17 minutes ago, marty15 said: Cleaned it up a little bit. Submitting to the city this evening. If any of you have any ideas/suggestions, the deadline is tomorrow for the Lake Ave. masterplan. cleveland.mindmixer.com Looks good. One lane of traffic, all cars go counter-clockwise to any street without stopping.
June 19, 20195 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 19, 20195 yr On 6/14/2019 at 4:56 PM, marty15 said: Cleaned it up a little bit. Submitting to the city this evening. If any of you have any ideas/suggestions, the deadline is tomorrow for the Lake Ave. masterplan. cleveland.mindmixer.com Why would you want a giant circle like that in the middle of Detroit Ave? This is isn't a rural or suburban area---this is in the city and the street system works completely fine here. A circle would take out lots of property and kill the urban vibe.
June 19, 20195 yr 10 minutes ago, Pugu said: Why would you want a giant circle like that in the middle of Detroit Ave? This is isn't a rural or suburban area---this is in the city and the street system works completely fine here. A circle would take out lots of property and kill the urban vibe. Feels pretty urban to me... https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9092946,-77.0425897,3a,75y,327.79h,93.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssSISQKUufwqEO9m1XANNdA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
June 19, 20195 yr Geez, Pugu. Ever been to Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Washington DC, London, Paris, etc etc?? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 19, 20195 yr 15 minutes ago, Pugu said: Why would you want a giant circle like that in the middle of Detroit Ave? This is isn't a rural or suburban area---this is in the city and the street system works completely fine here. Respectfully couldn’t disagree more. The current convergence of speeding traffic is so dangerous for cyclists.
June 19, 20195 yr Not only that... but this is NEEDED on Franklin. The lights from 50th to 25th can make a .9 mile drive take 10-12 minutes.
June 19, 20195 yr Ah! I see a lot of support for the menacing circle. I get their efficiency in some places, I just don't see it at Detroit and Lake. We need intersections like that which this city is constantly destroying. To Yabo713 who presents Dupont Circle, Washington has many many diagonals which give the city character, so an occasional circle works, plus there is greater density at Dupont Circle. Putting a circle at 75th and Detroit is about as smart as when RTA destroys buildings and activity to put a 'transit center' after obliterating the ridership that was originally there, like at 22nd and Prospect. KJP--where in NYC are these things, with the exception of Columbus Circle? Edited June 19, 20195 yr by Pugu
June 19, 20195 yr I don't get the appeal. The only traffic circles I've found tolerable were in small towns with low traffic allowing a tight circle. You couldn't pay me to ride a bike around a busy circle. There are just far too many people in cars incapable of navigating them. I'd rather trust a traffic light.
June 19, 20195 yr 12 minutes ago, Pugu said: Ah! I see a lot of support for the menacing circle. I get their efficiency in some places, I just don't see it at Detroit and Lake. We need intersections like that which this city is constantly destroying. To Yabo713 who presents Dupont Circle, Washington has many many diagonals which give the city character, so an occasional circle works, plus there is greater density at Dupont Circle. Putting a circle at 75th and Detroit is about as smart as when RTA destroys buildings and activity to put a 'transit center' after obliterating the ridership that was originally there, like at 22nd and Prospect. KJP--where in NYC are these things, with the exception of Columbus Circle? Yep, just Columbus Circle that I know of. I've heard roundabouts are coming to the Bronx and Staten Island, however. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 19, 20195 yr I am under the impression traffic circles are worse for pedestrians. It makes the overall route longer, makes more crossings for pedestrians and drivers think they don't have to yield/slow down for pedestrians trying to cross. Source: having to traverse the traffic circle YaBoi posted on my walk to work every day. Check out that double cross, just to get into the circle, then two more to get out of it on the other side. Alternatively, if you wanted to walk all the way around DuPont circle, it's out of the way, and had to cross several additional streets. I understand that the traffic circle here wouldn't be fed by as many streets as DuPont, but I still think this would be worse for pedestrians. I get that traffic circles increase safety for drivers. They increase the amount of crashes, but due to the traffic calming nature of forcing people to slow down, the severity of each accident is decreased. But, if drivers think they don't have to stop anymore, they're going to be looking to the left for oncoming traffic and not necessarily the other direction for pedestrians. Edited June 19, 20195 yr by smimes
June 19, 20195 yr I love roundabouts. They move traffic much better than signaled intersections. Combined with traffic calming features, roundabouts can be very pedestrian and bike friendly. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 19, 20195 yr It depends how the circle is designed if it will be bicycle or ped friendly. The one example above is not bike or pedestrian friendly. They are creating a roundabout smack in the middle of downtown Akron on Lebron James Way aka Main St. i believe there will be a statue of him in the circle but they haven’t announced the details yet. I think it will be a water feature too. So maybe Lebron on a fountain? Anyways, this will be car, ped, and bike friendly. Its a fairly small circle and people will cross at normal intersections not in the circle. We shall see, it is about a third complete. Edited June 19, 20195 yr by audidave
June 19, 20195 yr Traffic circles have a car first mentality. I often hear fans of traffic circles state that traffic circles are statistically safer for pedestrians. While this may be true, so are pedestrian bridges. I wouldn't call either convenient, urban, or pedestrian friendly though. They are also terrible for the visually impaired.
June 20, 20195 yr 36 minutes ago, JSC216 said: Traffic circles have a car first mentality. Not necessarily. It's all how they're designed. Check out this before and after shot of La Jolla Blvd in San Diego. It's a world of improvement for pedestrians. https://www.cnu.org/publicsquare/2018/01/10/road-diet-bridges-barrier-boosts-safety Edited June 20, 20195 yr by surfohio
June 20, 20195 yr Just now, surfohio said: Not necessarily. It's all how they're designed. Check out this before and after shot of La Jolla Blvd in San Diego. It's a world of improvement for pedestrians. https://www.cnu.org/publicsquare/2018/01/10/road-diet-bridges-barrier-boosts-safety Looks to have more to do with the reduction of lanes, introduction of a median, on street parking buffer, and a ton of landscaping. All of this could have still been achieved without the traffic circles. The article mentions that pedestrians have to cross less pavement now. While this is somewhat true, thanks to islands and the reduction of lanes, it's referring specifically to drivable pavement. Pedestrians actually have to travel a further distance and more complicated route now.
June 20, 20195 yr ^Going from 5 lanes to 2 lanes is a good thing? Have you ever driven behind someone going 25 mph when the limit is 35? if there are two lanes/direction you can go around them. In the example above in LaJolla, not only are drivers inefficiently stuck behind the person driving too slow, everyone has to wait for anyone turning left. That's inefficient, causes congestion, and adds carbon output to the environment. And, in addition to a standard 8' parking lane in one direction, you also get a 16' parking lane in one direction? what good is that?
June 20, 20195 yr Just now, Pugu said: ^Going from 5 lanes to 2 lanes is a good thing? Have you ever driven behind someone going 25 mph when the limit is 35? if there are two lanes/direction you can go around them. In the example above in LaJolla, not only are drivers inefficiently stuck behind the person driving too slow, everyone has to wait for anyone turning left. That's inefficient, causes congestion, and adds carbon output to the environment. And, in addition to a standard 8' parking lane in one direction, you also get a 16' parking lane in one direction? what good is that? This is near where I live. Take my word for it, this setup is very much an improvement for drivers, pedestrians, cyclists and all of the businesses fronting the road (which is the Pacific Coast Highway by the way).
June 20, 20195 yr 10 minutes ago, JSC216 said: Looks to have more to do with the reduction of lanes, introduction of a median, on street parking buffer, and a ton of landscaping. All of this could have still been achieved without the traffic circles. The article mentions that pedestrians have to cross less pavement now. While this is somewhat true, thanks to islands and the reduction of lanes, it's referring specifically to drivable pavement. Pedestrians actually have to travel a further distance and more complicated route now. As a driver, I prefer this new setup vs. waiting at the traffic lights, which on this busy stretch used to back up traffic considerably. But I'll agree to the extent that yes, the islands and lane reduction and the pedestrian crossing signals (not pictured) and clearly marked crosswalks, they all work in tandem and are necessary. And it's not complicated for pedestrians at all. It's actually much nicer walking along outdoor patios, etc. Edited June 20, 20195 yr by surfohio
June 20, 20195 yr Imagine walking on the north side of Detroit through this intersection/circle. I can see how it's an improvement for drivers, but as a pedestrian it's a nightmare.
June 20, 20195 yr I finally tried out Blue Habanero at W 65 & Detroit----its was really really good. Good drinks and delicious food.
June 21, 20195 yr Site demolition and preparation began yesterday for The Slate, 19 townhomes at West 58th and Herman http://solocle.com/the-slate/ Edited June 21, 20195 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 21, 20195 yr Does anyone know why townhouse projects in CLE always have pedestrian paths breaking up the rows of houses? Is it a code requirement?
June 21, 20195 yr Added one more render "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 22, 20195 yr On 6/21/2019 at 11:18 AM, StapHanger said: Does anyone know why townhouse projects in CLE always have pedestrian paths breaking up the rows of houses? Is it a code requirement? I just thought of it as another way for residents to access the garage space, maybe if they went for a walk or something and need to access their car.
June 27, 20195 yr On 6/21/2019 at 11:18 AM, StapHanger said: Does anyone know why townhouse projects in CLE always have pedestrian paths breaking up the rows of houses? Is it a code requirement? Looking at the site plan, there are apartment buildings on the back of the site. How would one access those?
June 27, 20195 yr 5 minutes ago, yanni_gogolak said: Looking at the site plan, there are apartment buildings on the back of the site. How would one access those? Is this site backed up to one of the few alleyways in Cleveland?
June 27, 20195 yr On 6/21/2019 at 11:18 AM, StapHanger said: Does anyone know why townhouse projects in CLE always have pedestrian paths breaking up the rows of houses? Is it a code requirement? A chance for a "corner" unit with some more windows?
July 1, 20195 yr On 6/27/2019 at 1:50 PM, KFM44107 said: Is this site backed up to one of the few alleyways in Cleveland? I'm confused, are you not seeing the site plan a couple posts above?
July 1, 20195 yr 5 minutes ago, yanni_gogolak said: I'm confused, are you not seeing the site plan a couple posts above? I see it now that I am viewing it on my computer. I had originally looked at it on my phone, which was a pretty small photo.
July 12, 20195 yr On 11/13/2018 at 12:30 PM, KJP said: http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2018/11162018/index.php NEAR WEST DESIGN REVIEW NW2018-032 – Edgewater Hill Townhomes New Construction: Seeking Schematic Design Approval Project Location: West 73rd Street near Herman Avenue Project Representative: Garrett Lapping, Sixmo Architects I noticed a couple backhoes parked on this site this morning. Not sure how long they’ve been sitting there.
July 12, 20195 yr I thought the updated renderings from the March 15, 2019 planning commission meeting looked better. Added a few windows and changed up some of the materials.
July 29, 20195 yr The three houses in the center of this 2011 streetview (has less vegetation blocking views of the houses vs the 2018 view) are due to be demolished for the following development..... http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/brd/detailDR.php?ID=3268&CASE=NW 2019-021 HERMAN AVENUE TOWNHOMES Return to Case List | Start Over | Print Report (PDF format) Project Information Near West Case # NW 2019-021 Address:5209-5217 Herman Avenue Company:MG2 Architect: Description: 8-unit new construction townhome project. Notes: Committee Actions/Submissions Date:July 10, 2019 Committee:Staff Action Type:Initial Plan Submission "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 31, 20195 yr On 2/28/2019 at 6:58 AM, sooner said: Was by that site yesterday. That lot has been a stageing area for construction equip and materials. Looks like they are clearing the lot...perhaps for more construction. I wish it was for the cut through, but I believe that won't happen until the old EMS facility is torn down. I think it got demo'd finally ... Was driving by this morning and noticed a huge thing of rubble .... I *think* that was it
August 24, 20195 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 26, 20195 yr I completely missed that @marty15. That's really cool! 3 hours ago, marty15 said: YESYESYES!!!!! That stretch from Lake to 85th has so much potential. This will be an incredible addition to the neighborhood. Edited August 26, 20195 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 26, 20195 yr 2 hours ago, KJP said: I completely missed that @marty15. That's really cool! xx I wonder if the new building will go the entire depth of the property and fill in the parking on the Lake Ave side? 40-80 units would be a fairly substantial building!
August 26, 20195 yr That would be great. I also wonder if the St. Augustine property next door could make any adjustments to interact with the street a bit better. Combine this with the proposed Lake Ave streetscape overhaul, and I'd say things are starting to move in the West 80s.
August 26, 20195 yr 49 minutes ago, Cleburger said: I wonder if the new building will go the entire depth of the property and fill in the parking on the Lake Ave side? 40-80 units would be a fairly substantial building! I'd like to see a street presence on both Detroit and Lake. Anything to help boost the density of both. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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