3 hours ago, ML11 said:

That would be great.  I also wonder if the St. Augustine property next door could make any adjustments to interact with the street a bit better.

 

Combine this with the proposed Lake Ave streetscape overhaul, and I'd say things are starting to move in the West 80s.  

100% agree. Hoping the city could coordinate a streetscape overhaul for that stretch, and not just more concrete. 

With Knez proposed development at the foot of 81st, the large Victorian at the corner of Detroit & 81st set to be restored and converted back to a single family, the new library development has the potential to reshape the whole neighborhood. Would love to see that pseudo shopping plaza at 80th leveled and a multistory building there, that goes up to the street corner. Then we’d be cookin!

Cyan Park Townhomes appear to be wrapping up construction at Herman and W58th.

 

This new and ultra modern single family home down the street also caught my attention (whether for good or bad I can’t decide yet, though. I like the unique eco-friendly look to it but it also doesn’t fit in with its context at all).

 

 

Edited September 3, 20195 yr by urbanetics_

3 minutes ago, urbanetics_ said:

Cyan Park Townhomes appears to be wrapping up constructions at Herman and W58th. This new and ultra modern single family home down the street also caught my attention (whether for good or bad I can’t decide yet, though. I like the unique eco-friendly look to it but it also doesn’t fit in with its context at all).

 

 

Love the Cyan Park project. Especially the units on the back that front the park. 

That little two story thing manages to look abandoned already.  And it's design is a huge F U to the surrounding neighborhood.

I don't get "FU" part, unless you think it's a major affront to dare to use a different design style. The massing and set backs are modest and look pretty contextual.  I think the house itself looks pretty good.  The landscape scheme is a wreck, though. Looks like they just ran out of money so tossed some grass seed on the front dirt. 

That house isn't part of Cyan Park.  It's up the street and was built independently, I think.

 

Some photos of it on Redfin:  https://www.redfin.com/OH/Cleveland/1362-W-58th-St-44102/home/66577579

 

Looks like a pretty cool place, IMO. I like the look of some modern buildings mixed into the more traditional homes in the neighborhood.

6 minutes ago, gg707 said:

That house isn't part of Cyan Park.  It's up the street and was built independently, I think.

 

Some photos of it on Redfin:  https://www.redfin.com/OH/Cleveland/1362-W-58th-St-44102/home/66577579

 

Looks like a pretty cool place, IMO. I like the look of some modern buildings mixed into the more traditional homes in the neighborhood.

 

Yeah, you're correct, it was built independently. I'm pretty certain Robert Maschke designed it.

 

Edited September 3, 20195 yr by Clefan98

Yeah, you're right.  I'll be curious to see how much it sold for.

2 hours ago, StapHanger said:

I don't get "FU" part, unless you think it's a major affront to dare to use a different design style. The massing and set backs are modest and look pretty contextual.  I think the house itself looks pretty good.  The landscape scheme is a wreck, though. Looks like they just ran out of money so tossed some grass seed on the front dirt. 

 

Setback, massing/scale, half the ground floor is garage door.  It looks too small for it's lot, and for the surrounding houses.

Not sure I understand the alternative to the front-facing garage on a lot that small, unless you shift the thing closer to one of the lot lines, which seems like a much more severe "FU" to the neighbors.  I guess you can go without a garage and just build something super cheap, but that's probably going to be even smaller, given the lower marketability.

15 hours ago, StapHanger said:

Not sure I understand the alternative to the front-facing garage on a lot that small, unless you shift the thing closer to one of the lot lines, which seems like a much more severe "FU" to the neighbors.  I guess you can go without a garage and just build something super cheap, but that's probably going to be even smaller, given the lower marketability.

The house could come closer to the lot lines. That set back look VERY out of place, and that garage door is looks abnormally large due to the scale of the house. The house doesn't need a garage in this case due to lot size. It is a city they could utilize street parking.On top of that if you have a garage door attached to the house, why would you have the setback be so far away? Now when you go in and out of the garage you're running over the grass, ruining the look of it. Instead, you could've had it built up to the lot line and drive over just the concrete driveway.  Plus the design looks rusted out like it has been sitting there unkempt for 10 years, this doesn't look good. Also I don't know if it is just me but that top step looks sloped. Just because it is new development doesn't automatically make it good design, higher standards are needed. 

Edited September 4, 20195 yr by MyPhoneDead

Is this the actual garage door?  They could've made some windows or design elements so that the door blends in better with the front facade.

17 hours ago, gg707 said:

Yeah, you're right.  I'll be curious to see how much it sold for.

Yeah that's super ugly.  Also curious to see the price.

One thing is certain--when you start seeing houses like these being crammed into a neighborhood, home values are good there! 

^It was a vacant lot with pretty normal street frontage. I wouldn't borrow the NIMBY word "cram'" for this kind of thing.  

The park side of Cyan Park.

I like that overlook onto the park.  That should also help to keep the park safer for people using it, as the overlooking units create a lot of eyes on the park at all times.

Thats another reason why it's so important to add new and renovated housing to as many Cleveland neighborhoods as possible!  And besides increased safety, it also increase income taxes, property taxes, and jobs too! So that it will hopefully help all of neighborhoods by providing extra resources for police and other city services.

Edited September 4, 20195 yr by Larry1962

Interesting news. Anxious to find out more. St. John Circle isn’t dead yet!

 

“Put simply, a form-based code (FBC) is a way to regulate development that controls building form first and building use second, with the purpose of achieving a particular type of “place” or built environment based on a community vision”.

 

https://thelandcode.com/

Edited September 17, 20195 yr by marty15

3 hours ago, marty15 said:

Interesting news. Anxious to find out more. St. John Circle isn’t dead yet!

 

“Put simply, a form-based code (FBC) is a way to regulate development that controls building form first and building use second, with the purpose of achieving a particular type of “place” or built environment based on a community vision”.

 

https://thelandcode.com/

 

Wow! They were talking about doing this back when I was in grad school. I guess I gotta dust off that paper about FBC in Denver and Flagstaff I wrote. 

 

I wonder how they settled on Detroit Shoreway—it seems like a neighborhood like University Circle of Ohio City would have more development forms for them to play around with. 

2 hours ago, Clevecane said:

 

Wow! They were talking about doing this back when I was in grad school. I guess I gotta dust off that paper about FBC in Denver and Flagstaff I wrote. 

 

I wonder how they settled on Detroit Shoreway—it seems like a neighborhood like University Circle of Ohio City would have more development forms for them to play around with. 

So this is kind of a big deal??  Disclaimer: I’m invested in the neighborhood, currently building my home there, and a huge believer. Quietly lobbying for the neighborhood to adopt the name West Village. Cause who doesn’t wanna live in the Village? 

Edited September 18, 20195 yr by marty15

6 hours ago, marty15 said:

So this is kind of a big deal??  Disclaimer: I’m invested in the neighborhood, currently building my home there, and a huge believer. Quietly lobbying for the neighborhood to adopt the name West Village. Cause who doesn’t wanna live in the Village? 

I’m a big advocate of form-based code, but I’ve only dealt with it academically (accidentally got a job in business instead of urban planning. Oops.). On the front-end, it’s cuts the miles of red tape developers go through to get anything built that doesn’t match the district’s use (for instance, anything mixed-use or too tall). On the back-end, it makes it so you can easily go from use to use without rewriting or overriding the code. 

The city was originally going to do its pilot form-based code in the Opportunity Corridor. I am curious as to why they didn't do that.

Just now, KJP said:

The city was originally going to do its pilot form-based code in the Opportunity Corridor. I am curious as to why they didn't do that.

Doesn't Midtown have a form based code of sorts already?

Interesting that the pilot area includes the swathe of Detroit with the notorious Burger King, Happy's Pizza, Gas Station and accompanying parking lots.  Can the code be used to impact existing properties?  

Just now, ML11 said:

Interesting that the pilot area includes the swathe of Detroit with the notorious Burger King, Happy's Pizza, Gas Station and accompanying parking lots.  Can the code be used to impact existing properties?  

 

Those sites would become defacto nonconforming uses. They couldn't force the uses to change but it would affect any redevelopment of the sites. 

9 hours ago, marty15 said:

So this is kind of a big deal??  Disclaimer: I’m invested in the neighborhood, currently building my home there, and a huge believer. Quietly lobbying for the neighborhood to adopt the name West Village. Cause who doesn’t wanna live in the Village? 

 

Smart investment and welcome to the neighborhood - you're going to love it here!

4 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

 

Smart investment and welcome to the neighborhood - you're going to love it here!

Thanks! I already do! My new neighbors are much more friendly and social than my Lakewood ones, and often stop by with 6 packs, which is always welcome!

 

That's in Cudell, not Detroit-Shoreway.

10 hours ago, KJP said:

That's in Cudell, not Detroit-Shoreway.

 

Though it is the same CDC now...

But not in the same thread.... ?

I know what I posted was from Cudell Improvement Inc., but I put it in this thread as it discussed the Lake Avenue redesign which stretches from Detroit to Clifton. This bridge was mentioned previously in this thread and is within the plans for this stretch of the Lake Ave redesign within the Detroit Shoreway CDO presentation.

http://content.mindmixer.com/Live/Projects/cleveland/files/228425/2019-05-29 Lake Ave Public Mtg 2_FINAL-sm.pdf?636947533608830000

 

The former Statistic Planning Area (SPA) boundaries placed this section of Lake at the NS bridge in Edgewater, not Cudell. 

This was however changed around 2012 (along with other various  neighborhood/SPA boundaries) as the new SPA borders place this triangle of land (Census tract 101101 bounded by Lake, Detroit, NS Tracks and W 85th) in Cudell. Edgewater and Cudell are however jointly overseen by the Cudell Improvement Inc., with its eastern border being W 85th. So yes, this short section of Lake Ave isn't in Detroit Shoreway according to the official borders. It is rather ~400 feet away. It also wasn't officially Cudell until revisions to the SPA borders.

 

So even though its technically in Cudell, its seemed more fitting here as it relates to a project which is almost entirely in Detroit Shoreway and is again presented by the DS CDO. 

 

Edited September 22, 20195 yr by NorthShore647

Regardless of borders,

 

I have a friend who was mugged on this stretch of Lake by the bridge while walking with his dad one day, requiring stitches after getting hit in the back of the head with a pistol. This was 5 or so years ago, but he still doesn’t like to walk down this stretch of Lake because of it. An improved streetscape, bridge underpass and lighting will hopefully improve both perceived/actual crime in the immediate area. If anything it'll be safer for pedestrians/cyclists which is always a win. 

On 9/21/2019 at 9:34 PM, Cleburger said:

 

Though it is the same CDC now...

 

They're still separately governed - two independent boards, legal structures, finances, etc. They share staff through a paid agreement (Cudell Improvement essentially leases staff people from DSCDO) but it isn't necessarily an indefinite agreement. The first term is only three years, at which point they could consider further steps or fully separate again.

The rusty box house recently sold for $450k

15 minutes ago, marty15 said:

The rusty box house recently sold for $450k

At first glance this thing looks like a modern miniature Duck Island townhome...I don't even know what to think about it. Does it merely give the impression of being a rusty old piece of metal or is it actually an old piece of junk?

10 minutes ago, Boxtruffles said:

At first glance this thing looks like a modern miniature Duck Island townhome...I don't even know what to think about it. Does it merely give the impression of being a rusty old piece of metal or is it actually an old piece of junk?

It’s a new build. Interior pics are ?? 

 

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1362-W-58th-St-Cleveland-OH-44102/33328041_zpid/

8 hours ago, marty15 said:

The rusty box house recently sold for $450k

 

 

Pretty good price for a new-ish house in a good location like that.

25 minutes ago, gg707 said:

 

Pretty good price for a new-ish house in a good location like that.

 

It's somewhat isolated in that the adjacent homes are dated. I toured it with a buddy of mine - the place was incredible. 

 

He ended up buying just down the block FWIW

I'm sorry but the grass in front of the garage still makes no sense lol. I know it's fixable but still.

1 hour ago, YABO713 said:

 

It's somewhat isolated in that the adjacent homes are dated. I toured it with a buddy of mine - the place was incredible. 

 

He ended up buying just down the block FWIW

 

That's great for him -- location is close to a lot of fun stuff around Gordon Square.

This Knez building turned out great. 47th & Lorain, behind Forest City Shuffleboard.

Cent’s Pizza project at 50th & Lorain moving along.

The next phase of the Knez project at 52nd & Franklin started up.

Some cool infill houses at 52nd & Duke going in.

Metrohealth’s new clinic at 49th & Lorain shaping up.

That Knez thing is Thin-brick, don't let them fool you.

9 minutes ago, w28th said:

That Knez thing is Thin-brick, don't let them fool you.

That’s what association fees are for ?. All 5 units sold.