2 hours ago, marty15 said:

That’s what association fees are for ?. All 5 units sold. 

 

@marty15 do you live in the area?

On 10/2/2019 at 3:24 PM, marty15 said:

This Knez building turned out great. 47th & Lorain, behind Forest City Shuffleboard.

This is really great that this area of Lorain Avenue is again starting to turn back into a really nice neighborhood again!

 

Back in the 1960-70's growing up on the west side, the only highlights of this area I remember was Steve’s Hot Dogs  near about West 50 & Lorain Avenue (burn down 10 years ago),  a model car slot entertainment center near there, St. Ignatius High School, and later the Wendy's Restaurant...

Edited October 5, 20195 yr by Larry1962

First two and last two posts of a Twitter string which ends with a link to how people can provide public input to this zoning/redevelopment process....

 

And

 

29 minutes ago, KJP said:

First two and last two posts of a Twitter string which ends with a link to how people can provide public input to this zoning/redevelopment process....

 

And

 

 

There’s hope.

Hey everyone. Check this listing out...Price is quite high, but at least there's an opportunity

There was mention that the development up and down West 78th, by the 78th Street Studios, mentioned by @KJP in a Seeds and Sprouts edition is actively being explored as well as the Knez proposed development at the foot of 81st Street is still alive. 

 

Also heard mention of the strip of townhomes behind Neal Terrace and surrounding land being targeted by a certain developer. The Walz library project I was told would be vertical, units on top of the library, as opposed to building towards Lake. Not sure how tall 40-80 units could get. The hospital building next door I believe is 7 floors. I don’t have any more to offer than that.

Edited October 23, 20195 yr by marty15

 

I stopped by the Open House for this effort and I thought it was pretty promising.  I'd recommend any UO readers attend the final presentation / Open House on Friday.  

 

Among the ideas that seemed to have consensus:

- Maximize density surrounding the Lake / Detroit intersection, while also improving pedestrian crossings there

- Improve connectivity within the neighborhoods via cut-through streets or paths... currently difficult to access Lake Park from nearby streets for example, and limited access from north side of Lake (around 78th St Studios) to Battery Park / Edgewater Hill. 

 

5 hours ago, ML11 said:

I stopped by the Open House for this effort and I thought it was pretty promising.  I'd recommend any UO readers attend the final presentation / Open House on Friday.  

 

Among the ideas that seemed to have consensus:

- Maximize density surrounding the Lake / Detroit intersection, while also improving pedestrian crossings there

- Improve connectivity within the neighborhoods via cut-through streets or paths... currently difficult to access Lake Park from nearby streets for example, and limited access from north side of Lake (around 78th St Studios) to Battery Park / Edgewater Hill. 

 

When/where is the open house?

49 minutes ago, Cavalier Attitude said:

When/where is the open house?

Was:

https://thelandcode.com/2019/10/22/detroit-shoreway-cudell-charrette/

 

But there's another event tomorrow (Friday) evening at 6 p.m. 8301 Detroit Ave. to show what was completed this week and to get some feedback on it. I'd love to go but can't.

So I spoke with the Land Code people again today. Really a great group btw. They said while the traffic circle idea most likely isnt possible, what it’s done has caused a major, serious conversion amongst the city about reworking the Lake/Detroit intersection and making it a focal point of the neighborhood. So that was really something to feel good about. 

 

Now here’s what I’m excited about. Mainly based on The Land Code’s receptiveness to this idea. This is my Lake/Detroit option #2.  It involves turning Lake Ave south, just east of the existing 5 story warehouse building and emptying Lake into Detroit at a 90 degree angle. Leaving a large, connected triangle shaped public space to be utilized and built around. While also shifting activity further west towards the hospital and future new library/apartment project. 

Edited October 24, 20195 yr by marty15

Any discussion about redeveloping the industrial srea north of Lake Road toward the railroad tracks, possibly with some higher density/high-rise development?

9 minutes ago, KJP said:

Any discussion about redeveloping the industrial srea north of Lake Road toward the railroad tracks, possibly with some higher density/high-rise development?

That was actually a big topic of conversation. Let the companies remain, that supply manufacturing jobs to neighborhood residents, or look to push it out of the way for residential/office. The vibe seemed to be to try to keep them there, but assimilate/build the neighborhood around em in a way that can mesh. There’s a lot of wasted acreage back there.

 

There was a cool idea to install a multipurpose bike path along the northern edge/tracks from the Battery Park area over to the Lake/Clifton area. 

Edited October 25, 20195 yr by marty15

Too bad. Industry doesn't belong on the lakefront. 

Another point of focus has been development and creation of a commercial district around Lake Park on 85th. As well as complete redevelopment of the park and trying to connect it through to 83rd better. The idea is to create first floor retail in 2-4 floor structures flanking the park on 3 sides. 

 

11 hours ago, marty15 said:

That was actually a big topic of conversation. Let the companies remain, that supply manufacturing jobs to neighborhood residents, or look to push it out of the way for residential/office. The vibe seemed to be to try to keep them there, but assimilate/build the neighborhood around em in a way that can mesh. There’s a lot of wasted acreage back there.

 

There was a cool idea to install a multipurpose bike path along the northern edge/tracks from the Battery Park area over to the Lake/Clifton area. 

 

I didn't get the sense that the sponsors necessarily agreed with suggestions that the industry should stick... it's possible they were being polite publicly to avoid derailing the original workshop into an industry vs. luxury housing debate.  One mentioned that a developer (with existing ties to neighborhood) has already assembled land down West 78th street that could be a first phase of new residential. 

 

The northern-most part of the site - where there is existing industry - would be zoned to allow for taller buildings going up to the railroad tracks.  I don't think we're talking Gold Coast height necessarily,  but the folks I talked to realized that more residents were needed in the vicinity to help make retail feasible and transform the Lake/Detroit intersection.  It would likely be years away, but it seemed like things have started to move. 

 

On 10/22/2019 at 8:14 PM, marty15 said:

Also heard mention of the strip of townhomes behind Neal Terrace and surrounding land being targeted by a certain developer.

 

That building is called Dindia Terrace. The majority of the units have been acquired by a single entity and they are moving toward securing full site control. The plan is a complete restoration of the property.

16 minutes ago, jws said:

 

That building is called Dindia Terrace. The majority of the units have been acquired by a single entity and they are moving toward securing full site control. The plan is a complete restoration of the property.

Thanks! Would love to see that developed towards Detroit on those empty parking lots.

12 minutes ago, marty15 said:

Thanks! Would love to see that developed towards Detroit on those empty parking lots.

Absolutely! The owners of the former Ferris Steakhouse still own that lot on Detroit, so getting them to sell is the main barrier. The large lot next door is technically an orchard and is owned by Cudell Improvement, so there is a lot of potential there as well.

 

The Dindia units are actually quite large and lovely inside (though some have seen significant arson). I really hope to see them occupied again.

Okay, so you guys have no idea how excited I was to see this put into the final preferred remake of Detroit and Lake. This is Option #2

Gordon Square Arts District nonprofit votes to suspend operations, declaring mission accomplished

Link: https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/10/gordon-square-arts-district-nonprofit-votes-to-suspend-operations-declaring-mission-accomplished.html

 

"Declaring that its mission of creating a successful arts-oriented neighborhood has been accomplished, the organization will work with other arts groups to decide whether some of its services could be absorbed by other entities. ...  'The Gordon Square Arts District isn’t closing,' said Raymond Bobgan, executive artistic director of Cleveland Public Theatre. He said that Gordon Square as a nonprofit service organization 'is pressing pause and stopping operations because it’s not really needed. Its current model is not the best way to serve the district.' "

Edited October 28, 20195 yr by NorthShore647

 

On 10/25/2019 at 8:16 PM, marty15 said:

Okay, so you guys have no idea how excited I was to see this put into the final preferred remake of Detroit and Lake. This is Option #2

 

Did the city provide these renderings? Wonder if there has been any discussions with the gas station and burger king. I think this is can really change the vibe of the neighborhood. Would like to see the Detroit / Lake intersection be a true 90 degree..can't tell by the renderings, and then make up the odd angle in a sweeping turn to meet current Lake alignment.

 

11 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

It’s a definite vast improvement. But their failure to address the Lake/Detroit intersection iin a meaningful manner is a huge fail. 

Board of Zoning Appeals

DECEMBER 2, 2019

 

9:30 Calendar No. 19-271: 5601 Tillman Ave. Ward 15 Matt Zone 18 Notices

Tillman Partners LLC, owner, proposes to change the use from machine shop to commercial food preparation in C2 Local Retail District. The owner appeals for relief from the strict application of the following sections of the Cleveland Codified Ordinances: 1. Section 343.01 which states that commercial food preparation is not permitted in Local Retail District; first permitted in Gen. Retail District 343.11(b)(2)(N) 2. Section 349.01(a) which states that substitution of nonconforming use requires BZA approval. 3. Section 352.10 which states that a 6' wide landscaping strip is required along Tillman Ave. between parking lot and street where parking abuts street. 4. Section 349.17 states that a loading dock shall not be less than 50' back from the building line along the street on which they face. (Filed October 22, 2019)

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2019/crr12-02-2019.pdf

 

Building permits were filed for 5400 Detroit (AKA Saigon Plaza) where Hawken School planned on building an early-childhood center before they sold it earlier this year.

The owners who are rehabbing it are purportedly a group of local investors, but they would not publicize their plan when they purchased it. Architect responsible is Dimit Architects.

Anyone have any more info on what they're going to be doing with this historic building?

24 minutes ago, tykaps said:

Building permits were filed for 5400 Detroit (AKA Saigon Plaza) where Hawken School planned on building an early-childhood center before they sold it earlier this year.

The owners who are rehabbing it are purportedly a group of local investors, but they would not publicize their plan when they purchased it. Architect responsible is Dimit Architects.

Anyone have any more info on what they're going to be doing with this historic building?

It’s going to be a party/event center. There’ll be a decorative fence put up on the north and south end of the adjacent parking lot. It’ll be turned into a space for outdoor events. Landscaped and lighting and such. There’ll be a public pocket park area in the front facing Detroit. The plans look good. It’ll be well done.

 

https://www.gordongreenevents.com/

Edited December 3, 20195 yr by marty15

^Saigon Plaza WAS a party/event center. They're not tearing down the original building are they? I hope not.  Also, related, did Hawken find a different location or change their minds about having a place on the West Side?

10 minutes ago, Pugu said:

^Saigon Plaza WAS a party/event center. They're not tearing down the original building are they? I hope not.  Also, related, did Hawken find a different location or change their minds about having a place on the West Side?

 

They changed their minds.

51 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

They changed their minds.

 

51 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

They changed their minds.

Hawken also wanted to turn that side parking lot into a dedicated drop off/pick up pass through lane. I know there was some push back on that proposal. Though I don’t think it was the dealbreaker.

The new owners aren't tearing down the old saigon plaza bldg are they? that photo looks nothing like the building looks now.

Edited December 3, 20195 yr by Pugu

Plans look like a nice upgrade on the existing space, however it's still a disappointment to have lost Hawken. 

 

The cynic in me sees a space that may only be used once per week for weddings and other banquets.  Hopefully they can find a range of uses for this space, and keep it busy on a more regular basis.  Glad we're at least seeing more investment helping to close the gap on Detroit between Ohio City and Gordon Square. Across Detroit from this, there also appears to be some significant remodeling work on the properties between 55th place and 57th St.  

4 hours ago, Pugu said:

The new owners aren't tearing down the old saigon plaza bldg are they? that photo looks nothing like the building looks now.

No, it’s not getting torn down. 

On 12/3/2019 at 12:09 AM, Pugu said:

^Saigon Plaza WAS a party/event center. They're not tearing down the original building are they? I hope not.  Also, related, did Hawken find a different location or change their minds about having a place on the West Side?

Hawken School is based on the East Side, with campuses in Gates Mills, Lyndhurst and University Circle.

 

It has since established a West Side presence by merging with Birchwood School, an independent school in Cleveland’s West Park neighborhood.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/business/2019/06/hawken-school-scraps-plans-for-west-side-early-childhood-center-sells-gordon-square-property.html

 

They are opening in JULY 2020 and they are also the owners of the GreenRoom, a coworking space at 5900 Detroit.

 

The GreenRoom is a collaborative co-op space and private event venue.

 

https://www.gordongreenevents.com

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/g66l-2019/06/bc3a7c1a521576/first-look-gordon-squares-new-coworking-space-event-venue-opening-on-detroit-avenue-.html

Edited December 9, 20195 yr by Larry1962
Added CLEVELAND.com link and more details

On 7/29/2019 at 5:29 PM, KJP said:

The three houses in the center of this 2011 streetview (has less vegetation blocking views of the houses vs the 2018 view) are due to be demolished for the following development.....

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/brd/detailDR.php?ID=3268&CASE=NW 2019-021

 

HERMAN AVENUE TOWNHOMES

 Return to Case List | Start Over | Print Report (PDF format)

Project Information

Near West Case #  NW 2019-021

Address:5209-5217 Herman Avenue

Company:MG2

Architect:

Description:

8-unit new construction townhome project.

Notes: 

Committee Actions/Submissions

Date:July 10, 2019

Committee:Staff

Action Type:Initial Plan Submission

 

Building permits for the 8 townhomes were filed just today!

A yoga studio is planning on opening at 5407 Detroit Ave (across from Saigon Plaza) (same building as Maelstrom Arts).

7 minutes ago, tykaps said:

A yoga studio is planning on opening at 5407 Detroit Ave (across from Saigon Plaza) (same building as Maelstrom Arts).

 

If the remainder of W64th to W58th between Cleveland Public Theater and Happy Dog can continue to fill in while respecting and serving the longtime and newer residents of the neighborhood alike, the continuity of Detroit will really feel impressive.

A meeting about the new Walz Branch library will be January 29th at 4pm at the library. Walz is in CPL’s Phase 1A rebuilding program. It’ll involve a brand new building with 40-80 apartments above it. Estimated price tag: $16 million.

3 hours ago, marty15 said:

It’ll involve a brand new building with 40-80 apartments above it. Estimated price tag: $16 million.

 

I can get behind this trend. I for one welcome our new librarian, err... underlords. Library Lofts West!

https://cpl.org/designing-our-future-centers-for-learning/?mc_cid=2534172ac3&mc_eid=620a64eb25

 

Walz Library Branch Design Meeting
Wednesday, Jan. 29, 4-5:30pm
Walz Branch, 7910 Detroit Ave.

Cleveland Public Library is conducting community engagement meetings to learn what the public wants from its library buildings. Help shape the future of the Walz branch and DSCDO's plans for accompanying senior housing. This meeting is interactive for adults and teens, and children are also welcome. The Walz branch is located on the 26 bus line.

You may also join the Walz Branch's Steering Committee to review and advocate for designs and construction. Email [email protected] for more details.

Spoke with a PM from J-Roc this morning. Said they’re in the process of planning another townhome development on 58th and Breakwater. The parking lot across from Parkview Niteclub. They developed Cyan Park at 58th and Herman. 

On 12/9/2019 at 9:37 PM, infrafreak said:

 

If the remainder of W64th to W58th between Cleveland Public Theater and Happy Dog can continue to fill in while respecting and serving the longtime and newer residents of the neighborhood alike, the continuity of Detroit will really feel impressive.

 

I saw that Tributary is closing.  It's a bit further East, but maybe throws a little bit of cold water on the "fill it in" theory.  (Or it might have just been business-specific)

 

 

9 hours ago, dergon darkhelm said:

 

I saw that Tributary is closing.  It's a bit further East, but maybe throws a little bit of cold water on the "fill it in" theory.  (Or it might have just been business-specific)

 

 

I’m thinking business specific. Stopped in once. Drinks weren’t good, but at Spotted Owl prices. They also had this weird disco ball type contraption that you get at Spencer’s for $20 for your college apartment in the corner, extension cord traipsed across the floor. Was just odd. Poor execution. 

W 48th Townhomes going before Landmarks Commission tomorrow

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2020/02132020/index.php

 

30 minutes ago, tykaps said:

W 48th Townhomes going before Landmarks Commission tomorrow

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2020/02132020/index.php

 

 

My house/property line directly abuts this project....

 

AND I FULLY SUPPORT IT.

 

See how I did that, you NIMBY-hipster-dufuses. 

^ But what about your neighborhood character?  /s

10 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

 

My house/property line directly abuts this project....

 

AND I FULLY SUPPORT IT.

 

See how I did that, you NIMBY-hipster-dufuses. 

 

Yeah I mean if you think about it, this development is going to help accelerate the transformation of you neighborhood causing your house value to go up.  It's a win-win (although I understand for some people their rent goes up and so forth so it is not a positive thing for them).  

13 minutes ago, cle_guy90 said:

 

Yeah I mean if you think about it, this development is going to help accelerate the transformation of you neighborhood causing your house value to go up.  It's a win-win (although I understand for some people their rent goes up and so forth so it is not a positive thing for them).  

I understand that some folks (elderly, etc) have fixed incomes, but I always thought that rooting for your neighborhood to stay blighted was...weird.

 

48 minutes ago, freefourur said:

^ But what about your neighborhood character?  /s

 

"BUT IT'S 474 FEET TO A BUS STOP, DO YOU THINK THAT'S ACCESSIBLE TO A TENANT WITH ONE LEG WHO LIKES ROLLER BLADING TO HIS/HER TRANSIT STOP?!" - Probably some NIMBY that protests the Kertesz project a  block away