June 8, 20205 yr I may be in the minority here, but once you go above the ground floor, it looks like a pretty clumsy mess of faux historicism to me. Painfully forced variety. The middle unit of each cluster in particular kind of hurts my eyes. I like the stepped up front porches though.
June 8, 20205 yr 27 minutes ago, StapHanger said: I may be in the minority here, but once you go above the ground floor, it looks like a pretty clumsy mess of faux historicism to me. Painfully forced variety. The middle unit of each cluster in particular kind of hurts my eyes. I like the stepped up front porches though. So I live about 800 feet from them... I don't like them, they give me a Main Street at Disney World vibe... BUT my wife, and most of my neighbors absolutely love them - so I think we're definitely in the minority. As long as they neighborhood is happy, I'm happy - about as anti-NIMBY as one can be lol
June 8, 20205 yr I am really having a problem understanding what the middle house in the second picture is trying to be.
June 8, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, YABO713 said: So I live about 800 feet from them... I don't like them, they give me a Main Street at Disney World vibe... BUT my wife, and most of my neighbors absolutely love them - so I think we're definitely in the minority. As long as they neighborhood is happy, I'm happy - about as anti-NIMBY as one can be lol Yeah they def have a Disney/lifestyle center vibe. The siding really gives it a cheap appearance.
June 9, 20205 yr Now that these are coming along close to being finished, I'm liking the look of them better than I did the renderings. I'm glad to see some townhouses in different styles. These do remind me of La Collina though, but I think that's ok on this smaller scale.
June 9, 20205 yr I like em. I like how they’re all different. And they have front porches. And it’s not an empty corner lot. Edited June 9, 20205 yr by marty15
June 9, 20205 yr Love the diversity. Its difficult to discern, but are those lights halfway up the facade of the buildings? The last building appears to have four? If so, what an unusual place for lighting? Edited June 9, 20205 yr by Frmr CLEder
June 9, 20205 yr 22 hours ago, bumsquare said: Yeah they def have a Disney/lifestyle center vibe. The siding really gives it a cheap appearance. 2 hours ago, Frmr CLEder said: Love the diversity. Its difficult to discern, but are those lights halfway up the facade of the buildings? The last building appears to have four? If so, what an unusual place for lighting? I live nearby and have watched these buildings slowly go up. The siding is actually Hardie board, not vinyl. Yes, those are lights. No clue why. Maybe because street lights in Italy are often attached to buildings? They sure beat the typical plastic box. Edited June 9, 20205 yr by gruver
June 10, 20205 yr WEDNESDAY, JUNE 10, 2020 Rezonings follow, precede waves of lakefront housing As Cleveland City Council prepares to vote soon on rezoning more former industrial land to residential near Edgewater Park, there are fewer lakefront industrial areas on the west side. One of those may succumb to the inexorable march of residential expansion after another expected rezoning that could enable high-rise development. As early as next week, council may rezone an area south of Edgewater Park from general industrial to a residential classification. This area is centered around West 70th-73rd where the Eveready Battery Co. plant once stood. Razed and remediated in the 2000s, the land was redeveloped with mostly housing and renamed Battery Park. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/06/rezonings-follow-precede-waves-of.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 10, 20205 yr 13 minutes ago, KJP said: WEDNESDAY, JUNE 10, 2020 Rezonings follow, precede waves of lakefront housing As Cleveland City Council prepares to vote soon on rezoning more former industrial land to residential near Edgewater Park, there are fewer lakefront industrial areas on the west side. One of those may succumb to the inexorable march of residential expansion after another expected rezoning that could enable high-rise development. As early as next week, council may rezone an area south of Edgewater Park from general industrial to a residential classification. This area is centered around West 70th-73rd where the Eveready Battery Co. plant once stood. Razed and remediated in the 2000s, the land was redeveloped with mostly housing and renamed Battery Park. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/06/rezonings-follow-precede-waves-of.html Centered around West 73rd-76th*
June 10, 20205 yr The block between W70 and W73rd is where the zoning change will make an impact though. There are still a handful of vacant industrial buildings on that block, which should begin to flip to other uses soon. At the northern end of the block, you have the proposed ~250-unit building from Avenue Partners in Columbus. On the southern end - roughly between BP Blvd and Herman - there is apparently a new development in the works that will likely be another decent-sized apartment building. Previously there was talk of for-sale townhouse clusters on that site, but the development group evidently fell apart.
June 10, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, ML11 said: The block between W70 and W73rd is where the zoning change will make an impact though. There are still a handful of vacant industrial buildings on that block, which should begin to flip to other uses soon. At the northern end of the block, you have the proposed ~250-unit building from Avenue Partners in Columbus. On the southern end - roughly between BP Blvd and Herman - there is apparently a new development in the works that will likely be another decent-sized apartment building. Previously there was talk of for-sale townhouse clusters on that site, but the development group evidently fell apart. Would love to see new construction up on Detroit. A few people I talked to would like to live near the center of Gordon Square. There’s literally nothing available aside from income qualifying, subsidized apartments. There’s definitely an unmet demand there.
June 11, 20205 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 11, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, urbanetics_ said: Was talking to a resident that lives at Cyan Park, right next to this. He said the old railroad right of way that splits the properties was supposed to be turned into a bike path. Anyone know anything about that? Runs through here: Edited June 11, 20205 yr by marty15
June 11, 20205 yr Not sure of the status, but here's the original plan as shown with the now cancelled Edison phase II. Just noticed the N/S pedestrian connection. Edited June 11, 20205 yr by Clefan98
June 11, 20205 yr On 5/7/2020 at 8:53 AM, KJP said: I think all of Clinton is great. I like it the further east you go, however. The extent of development/redevelopment along that street has been amazing. As someone who lives at Clinton/38th I agree! What has happened over the last ten years has been nothing short of remarkable.
June 11, 20205 yr 34 minutes ago, Clefan98 said: Not sure of the status, but here's the original plan as shown with the now cancelled Edison phase II. Just noticed the N/S pedestrian connection. It must be a really old right of way. I have no idea where it would go east of 58th. @KJP would probably know.
June 11, 20205 yr Just an industrial spur. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 11, 20205 yr I'd personally hate to see all the industrial buildings demolished. Hoping they find a way to save the one below - its got character. You just don't come across well preserved 100+ year old industrial properties much - and they sure as heck don't make them like this anymore. Its part of our legacy. Edited June 11, 20205 yr by ASP1984
June 12, 20205 yr I'd hate to see it go, too. But it's going to take some very creative thinking to get that building a new purpose.
June 12, 20205 yr 5 minutes ago, X said: I'd hate to see it go, too. But it's going to take some very creative thinking to get that building a new purpose. Indoor gardening and parking for the tower and loft building.
June 12, 20205 yr ^^^Battery Park has done a great job of blending Cleveland’s industrial past with her bright future, IMO. I love the skyline of Lakewood’s Gold Coast and wouldn’t mind seeing similar density overlooking Edgewater.
June 12, 20205 yr 40 minutes ago, Cleburger said: Indoor gardening and parking for the tower and loft building. Warner & Swasey's similar structures are planned to be used for parking, so not out of the question.
June 12, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, ASP1984 said: I'd personally hate to see all the industrial buildings demolished. Hoping they find a way to save the one below - its got character. You just don't come across well preserved 100+ year old industrial properties much - and they sure as heck don't make them like this anymore. Its part of our legacy. Some of the Westinghouse complex might get demolished -- like the building in the background. And some of the industrial buildings west of West 78th might get demolished someday too -- especially those that are featureless boxes. But the factory offices/warehouse at 8300 Baker is a sharp-looking building IMHO and would make an amazing residential conversion. It would add some historical character to what might be a small grouping of high-rise residential towers in the coming years. Edited June 12, 20205 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 12, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, KJP said: Some of the Westinghouse complex might get demolished -- like the building in the background. And some of the industrial buildings west of West 78th might get demolished someday too -- especially those that are featureless boxes. But the factory offices/warehouse at 8300 Baker is a sharp-looking building IMHO and would make an amazing residential conversion. It would add some historical character to what might be a small grouping of high-rise residential towers in the coming years. Hopefully the coming Lake Avenue makeover spurs some new development/interest. 8300 Baker could be a great centerpiece to a much larger neighborhood development north of Lake.
June 12, 20205 yr No doubt its an unconventional building and footprint - one thought that came to mind was like, I dunno, a partial demolition? What if they only tore down part of the elongated building and actually connected it to an innovative high-rise development? Like a hybrid? They could create an indoor foodhall, grocery store (Trader Joe's or Whole Foods), co-working space, or other active use to provide the residents of the neighborhood with a center of gravity. Surely there are creative options out there to ensure part of the site remains in its current state - its that kind of stuff that makes a neighborhood memorable and gives it character. Edited June 14, 20204 yr by ASP1984
June 12, 20205 yr 36 minutes ago, ASP1984 said: No doubt its an unconventional building and footprint - one thought that came to mind was like, I dunno, a partial demolition? What if they only tore down part of the elongated building and actually connected it to an innovative high-rise development? Like a hybrid? They could create an indoor foodhall, co-working space, or other active use to provide the residents of the neighborhood with a center of gravity. Surely there are creative options out there to ensure part of the site remains in its current state - its that kind of stuff that makes a neighborhood memorable and gives it character. My thoughts exactly. Preserve the facade, demolish the rest, but setback a new high rise building 10 feet behind it. Make for some really cool outdoor patio/balcony spaces. Edited June 12, 20205 yr by marty15
June 13, 20205 yr Would love to see more highrises along the lake between downtown and Lakewood, something akin to Lake Shore Drive in Chicago.
June 18, 20204 yr I didn't know they were so far along on that development. BTW, the site location and developer's link is here: http://solocle.com/properties/5507-herman-ave/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 19, 20204 yr I like the dark cladding. Should produce a nice contrast with Cyan Park just down the street.
July 10, 20204 yr Does anybody know why the construction stopped on the Slate Town homes? I haven't seen workers onsite for 3 weeks
August 6, 20204 yr Nice scoop! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 6, 20204 yr Article mentions a 2025 timeline for actually starting construction, so it's still going to be awhile, but good to see some movement.
August 6, 20204 yr From the article, I note the bold text below..... Quote Dr. Rustom Khouri, Carnegie's president and CEO, said that HKM can stay in the building for up to five years, under a lease that requires 12 months' worth of notice if either party wants to make a change. Carnegie expects to begin working on development plans in early 2021, with the goal of starting construction before mid-2025. "We just think it's a really beautiful location," Khouri said of the site, perched over the Cleveland Memorial Shoreway between West 54th and West 58th streets. "We think it's a wonderful physical property. We think the views are spectacular. And we think, long-term, because of what's in the area, that there's tremendous development potential there." That potential might include a large office user, additional housing and neighborhood-centric retail, such as a small grocery store, he said. Any new buildings are likely to be mid-rise or high-rise structures, much taller than the low-slung manufacturing space that HKM occupies. I recall that the zoning along the Shoreway was changed a few years ago to limit the height of buildings here, but I can't remember the height. Was it to 60 feet? If so, if Carnegie wants to build a high-rise or two here, it means seeking a variance. I hope they do. Need some big buildings along here. This news is a bummer in one respect -- Carnegie was interested in acquiring and redeveloping the Westinghouse property. Now they've got the HKM property. I don't see them developing both which could mean the Westinghouse property is once again looking for a suitor. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 6, 20204 yr I don't think I trust Carnegie to develop this site, especially with a high rise, after what happened in Lakewood. They'll be a landlord for a few years and then sell to someone else.
August 7, 20204 yr 18 hours ago, KJP said: This news is a bummer in one respect -- Carnegie was interested in acquiring and redeveloping the Westinghouse property. Now they've got the HKM property. I don't see them developing both which could mean the Westinghouse property is once again looking for a suitor. Interesting, I've never heard about Carnegie's plans for that property. There were earlier rumblings of NRP Group looking pre-Edison, and then the latest news you broke about Sustainable and Midwest's JV. Edited August 7, 20204 yr by Clefan98
August 22, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, RE Developer In Training said: https://www.bizjournals.com/cleveland/news/2020/08/21/cleveland-planning-commission-approves-apartments.html?ana=e_ae_prem&j=90524973&t=Afternoon&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiT0dZeVltWmtPRFJoTmpCbSIsInQiOiJCYlVNU1Q4WjFwK2FtV3JtVFE2S0V1U0lydk9wdHQyMUxKRVBsMTFFMENKcFpcL05IWng2YVRhdGRPU0tcL2IrbXZ0NDJpRWZNdkhxSGhJd2dTSDZJYjIyVVhWa0hWYmd1XC96MVY2N0hBaHVpZ21mcDlXK3FSVE1EcjUrOGpIaGtMbkJ1eThaMkwraFNaclRnOWlcL09LTVFBPT0ifQ%3D%3D What's this W 73rd project that got approval? Pretty large project that i dont think i've heard about. The previous plan for the site discussed in this thread (unfortunately the renderings didn't survive CPC's transition to a new website) was the Edgewater Hill townhomes.... On 11/13/2018 at 12:30 PM, KJP said: http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2018/11162018/index.php NEAR WEST DESIGN REVIEW NW2018-032 – Edgewater Hill Townhomes New Construction: Seeking Schematic Design Approval Project Location: West 73rd Street near Herman Avenue Project Representative: Garrett Lapping, Sixmo Architects ...but the block club didn't like the plans. So they revised them and came up with the new apartment plan. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 22, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: The previous plan for the site discussed in this thread (unfortunately the renderings didn't survive CPC's transition to a new website) was the Edgewater Hill townhomes.... You can still find it via this methodhttps://web.archive.org/web/20181212003908/http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2018/11162018/index.php
August 22, 20204 yr 11 hours ago, KJP said: Edited August 22, 20204 yr by Cavalier Attitude Wrong property please ignore
August 22, 20204 yr SATURDAY, AUGUST 22, 2020 Edgewater Hill project: signs of sudden growth For those watching the City Planning Commission's virtual meeting yesterday, two examples of sudden growth were apparent. Both centered around a new apartment building project in the Edgewater Hill section of Cleveland's Detroit-Shoreway neighborhood. The examples of sudden growth raises a couple of tangential questions: Where did this apartment building development suddenly come from? And where did its developer, Brecksville-based United Community Developers, suddenly come from too? The development is a 75-unit apartment building at 1351 W. 73rd St. whose design won final approval at yesterday's City Planning Commission meeting. Commission members were unanimous in their support of the final design. The project has the working title "West 73rd Street Apartments." MORE https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/08/edgewater-hill-project-signs-of-sudden.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 23, 20204 yr These have gone up quickly: https://www.howardhanna.com/Property/Detail/5215-Franklin-Boulevard-Cleveland-OH-44102/NorthernOH/4215958
August 23, 20204 yr I like the part about the neighbor's concerns about how traffic backs up on 73rd, and what the developer is going to do about it. Sounds like city should have already been making changes to the road since it has become the main N-S entry route into the neighborhood. It hasn't made sense to me why this would be added into a freeway interchange, and then the city keeps it a small neighborhood street when they rebuilt it. The added traffic should have been anticipated even with zero new housing construction going in. It's probably time to put a light in at Detroit now too. Turning left out of there can be very dicey with the angle of the intersection and people speeding down Detroit with parked cars and high bicycle traffic added in.
August 24, 20204 yr On 8/22/2020 at 2:43 PM, KJP said: SATURDAY, AUGUST 22, 2020 Edgewater Hill project: signs of sudden growth For those watching the City Planning Commission's virtual meeting yesterday, two examples of sudden growth were apparent. Both centered around a new apartment building project in the Edgewater Hill section of Cleveland's Detroit-Shoreway neighborhood. The examples of sudden growth raises a couple of tangential questions: Where did this apartment building development suddenly come from? And where did its developer, Brecksville-based United Community Developers, suddenly come from too? The development is a 75-unit apartment building at 1351 W. 73rd St. whose design won final approval at yesterday's City Planning Commission meeting. Commission members were unanimous in their support of the final design. The project has the working title "West 73rd Street Apartments." MORE https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/08/edgewater-hill-project-signs-of-sudden.html Article updated with quotes and information from United Community Developers principal Wayne Jatsek. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 24, 20204 yr On 8/23/2020 at 10:24 AM, Clefan98 said: These have gone up quickly: https://www.howardhanna.com/Property/Detail/5215-Franklin-Boulevard-Cleveland-OH-44102/NorthernOH/4215958 They broke ground two weeks ago and the whole thing is framed with the roof ready to go on as of this morning
August 27, 20204 yr The new Walz Library and apartment complex rendering for 80th and Detroit ? This would be the first significant new construction development on Detroit, between Hingetown and Lakewood in many years. Edited August 27, 20204 yr by marty15
August 27, 20204 yr More And more "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 27, 20204 yr I don’t understand why the existing apartments/storefronts need to be torn down for this. Yes I know it’s not my money, etc. but just saying the apartment building is “not worthy of preservation” is baffling to me.
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