January 17, 20214 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 19, 20214 yr What exactly is the divider between Ohio City and Detroit Shoreway? I always assumed it was about W 50th, but that ad for the W 47th development was saying Detroit Shoreway.
January 19, 20214 yr I think for the CDC's it is mostly W. 50th. But in terms of real estate ads, it's whatever sells the property. To people who live there, I imagine there isn't really a hard line, just a slow fade from one to the other.
January 19, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Cavalier Attitude said: What exactly is the divider between Ohio City and Detroit Shoreway? I always assumed it was about W 50th, but that ad for the W 47th development was saying Detroit Shoreway. It's W. 50th. My side of the street has Kerry McCormack and gets OCI assistance, the other side of the street is Matt Zone's (former) district and does not get OCI benefits.
January 19, 20214 yr 33 minutes ago, YABO713 said: It's W. 50th. My side of the street has Kerry McCormack and gets OCI assistance, the other side of the street is Matt Zone's (former) district and does not get OCI benefits. Because I was curious (and a nerd, like my name says) I went looking. Ohio City Inc defines its service area as the red border. The city of Cleveland planning commission defines Ohio City with the cyan border. Very slightly and maybe insignificantly different. **edit** Apparently DSCDO defines their service area at 45th, which would overlap with OCI. Edited January 19, 20214 yr by Enginerd
January 24, 20214 yr On 1/15/2021 at 1:33 PM, Clefan98 said: The head of the w47th Block Club is an attorney. I live right down the street from there and voiced my opinion in support so they kicked me out of the club, naturally. What a bunch NIMBY a-holes. That can happen when someone doesn’t like or allow people to speak or otherwise have an opinion. Something one should respect by high school age. It’s unbelievable you were booted for even having an opinion let alone voicing it. Hopefully you weren’t called condescending childish “names” or otherwise summarily dismissed as an unaccomplished misfit who never succeeded at anything other attending a block meeting because someone didn’t like what you said. Hopefully no one has any of your contact info otherwise you could receive some angry, unhinged-name calling messages. this parcel would make a great neighborhood park, perhaps even one of those “smart parks”. Should be a perfect fit for the in coming residents and their dogs. Edited January 25, 20214 yr by CLENYC
January 27, 20214 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 4, 20214 yr BOOM! THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 4, 2021 Mid-rise apartment complex planned for Gordon Square A proposed major mixed-use development in the Gordon Square area is due to go before City Planning Commission as early as this month. The development, called Waverly & Oak, at 5506 Detroit Ave., is the first major new-construction effort by Cleveland-based Bond Street Group. But don't let that kid you into thinking this firm doesn't have the juice to pull off an ambitious project whose estimated cost would be in the tens of millions of dollars. Consider the principals behind Bond Street Group, incorporated in 2014 -- Todd Leebow, Taylor Hawkins and Justin Strizzi. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2021/02/mid-rise-apartment-complex-planned-for.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 4, 20214 yr Well this is a fun late-night surprise!! Kudos to developers like this who have the resources to get stuff done, put thought into the entire design and street interaction, and have a bullish plan to take action on it (it’s just announced and they’re already aiming to start this summer?!) I especially like this piece from KJP’s article: “The developer said it is focused on creating an attractive, community-centric mix of uses on the street level, bringing residential density to Detroit Avenue and filling in the ‘missing teeth’ along Detroit created by the current surface parking lots and vacant building that sit on the site.” 👏🏻
February 4, 20214 yr We can only hope that these will continue to spread up and down Detroit! Just imagine the patios that could be created through the sections with lake views!
February 4, 20214 yr And thanks to @tykaps for finding this on the CoUrbanize website and telling me about it last week before they deleted it! I was able to bargain for an advance copy of their press release! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 4, 20214 yr Very exciting. My only reservation is that one of the buildings to be demolished is the Vietnamese market. That little market is sorta cool in its own right. But isn’t it completely ajoined to Minh Anh restaurant? I’ve had many a delicious meal in that cozy spot. I’m an east sider now and don’t get over there as much, but I assume it’s still open. It’d hurt a little bit losing a long-running staple that’s been something of an anchor on that desolate stretch of Detroit for so many years. Edited February 4, 20214 yr by CCC
February 4, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, CCC said: Very exciting. My only reservation is that one of the buildings to be demolished is the Vietnamese market. That little market is sorta cool in its own right. But isn’t it completely ajoined to Minh Anh restaurant? I’ve had many a delicious meal in that cozy spot. I’m an east sider now and don’t get over there as much, but I assume it’s still open. It’d hurt a little bit losing a long-running staple that’s been something of an anchor on that desolate stretch of Detroit for so many years. The Minh Anh owners are actually dying for the land to be developed, from my understanding. I get your point, but I think if they're okay with it, we should march on. Nonetheless, this is about 2,000 feet from my house and I am EXCITED.
February 4, 20214 yr FYI Minh Anh isn't going anywhere. I've added that info to the article. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 4, 20214 yr The only thing that concerns me about this project is the leadership, tbh. I've heard less than stellar things from multiple people about Leebow's character as a person - and I know that doesn't necessarily make or break the project, but it can impact certain aspects. I hope the people I know are wrong, and that this project will be a net positive for the (my) neighborhood. I'm certainly a YIMBY based on that initial design.
February 4, 20214 yr @YABO713since you live so close to the project you should actively reach out to the usual suspects and voice your support (councilperson, CDC, the bag lady on the corner) to counter the eventual NIMBYS. You have your marching orders. By the way I love? that certain people are questioning parking when they are proposing 100 indoor parking spaces in a building which is as well on a major transit corridor. Edited February 4, 20214 yr by Htsguy
February 4, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, Cleburger said: We can only hope that these will continue to spread up and down Detroit! There's no doubt it will continue. Gordon Square is set up to become one of the most desirable neighborhoods in the state of Ohio (if not the midwest).
February 4, 20214 yr Is this technically outside of Gordon square? I always thought W. 58th was the border. If not what are the actual boundaries of Gordon square? http://www.gordonsquare.org/visit/maps-and-parking/
February 4, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, cle_guy90 said: Is this technically outside of Gordon square? I always thought W. 58th was the border. If not what are the actual boundaries of Gordon square? http://www.gordonsquare.org/visit/maps-and-parking/ Gordon Square goes to w50th.
February 4, 20214 yr Wow this is impressive stuff! This neighborhood is turning out to be quite the spot. With the Lake Ave triangle starting to come alive and the potential for redeveloping the BK spot, we can have quite a nice stretch of urbanity here. Imagine in a couple of years taking Clifton to Lake, turning down Lake and all the way down Detroit into downtown. If you are an outsider to CLE, that drive alone will change your narrative of our city.
February 4, 20214 yr 10 minutes ago, Htsguy said: @YABO713since you live so close to the project you should actively reach out to the usual suspects and voice your support (councilperson, CDC, the bag lady on the corner) to counter the eventual NIMBYS. You have your marching orders. By the way I love? that certain people are questioning parking when they are proposing 100 indoor parking spaces in a building which is as well on a major transit corridor. So far, the people on the Detroit-Shoreway and Cleveland Architecture Facebook pages are pretty supportive. They like the design. And the fact that the only two buildings to be demolished are vacant or closing anyway eases the impact. But there's the usual complaints about gentrification, which I don't understand why this is a concern in a city like Cleveland which has so much vacant land. I don't want to dwell on gentrification since that is a discussion for another thread. Seems to be a very different response from the Fulton House development in Ohio City. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 4, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, YO to the CLE said: Wow this is impressive stuff! This neighborhood is turning out to be quite the spot. With the Lake Ave triangle starting to come alive and the potential for redeveloping the BK spot, we can have quite a nice stretch of urbanity here. Imagine in a couple of years taking Clifton to Lake, turning down Lake and all the way down Detroit into downtown. If you are an outsider to CLE, that drive alone will change your narrative of our city. BTW, the quotes from DSCDO's Stalder came via e-mail. In his e-mails to me, his last quote in the article.... "Higher buildings are a natural desire for developers in this area to take advantage of the views of the lake and downtown. This is the first but I am certain it won’t be the last." ....was followed by a wink emoji. 😉 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 4, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, Htsguy said: @YABO713since you live so close to the project you should actively reach out to the usual suspects and voice your support (councilperson, CDC, the bag lady on the corner) to counter the eventual NIMBYS. You have your marching orders. By the way I love? that certain people are questioning parking when they are proposing 100 indoor parking spaces in a building which is as well on a major transit corridor. Already have, as has my wife. My 74 year old neighbor will be opposing the development. When I asked why she told me "the money just goes to the developers." 😑
February 4, 20214 yr Last visit in town I had dinner in the neighborhood and was impressed with the vibe and vibrancy there. An interesting area with real urban appeal and I hadn’t realized how close it is to the scenic lakefront! The higher floors will be able to take advantage of great views. I really love the incorporation of greenery in those sharp courtyard plazas (which will benefit lower floor appeal and curb appeal) plus the green higher balcony area. Relaxed contemporary feel with the textured brick and big windows. Looks like a huge asset to the block! Hope we can change @YABO713’s neighbor’s mind! Edited February 4, 20214 yr by CleveFan
February 4, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, mack34 said: What does that even mean???? LOL!! She’s clearly not a fan of real estate as an investment lol
February 4, 20214 yr 10 minutes ago, YABO713 said: She’s clearly not a fan of real estate as an investment lol But she probable owns her house....
February 4, 20214 yr 30 minutes ago, freefourur said: But she probable owns her house.... She doesn't. But she tried to tell me her landlord called her and demanded that I replace her garage or give her $5,000 because I "dented it".... by complete coincidence, my cousin is her landlord, and said no such thing. So that's the kind of rationality we're dealing with. Anyways, Team YIMBY
February 4, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, mack34 said: What does that even mean???? LOL!! I've tried to talk to some of these people, and a lot of the issue is not understanding the economics of development. Most seem to think that the developers are spending maybe $50-100,000 to build a house/townhouse/condo/apartment and are then making massive 500% markups on it because they're greedy and evil.
February 4, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, YABO713 said: Already have, as has my wife. My 74 year old neighbor will be opposing the development. When I asked why she told me "the money just goes to the developers." 😑 That makes blood shoot out of my eyes. My goodness, how dumb
February 5, 20214 yr Waverly & Oak website is now active. I love scooping the developers.... 😉 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 5, 20214 yr On 2/4/2021 at 12:13 AM, KJP said: BOOM! THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 4, 2021 Mid-rise apartment complex planned for Gordon Square A proposed major mixed-use development in the Gordon Square area is due to go before City Planning Commission as early as this month. The development, called Waverly & Oak, at 5506 Detroit Ave., is the first major new-construction effort by Cleveland-based Bond Street Group. But don't let that kid you into thinking this firm doesn't have the juice to pull off an ambitious project whose estimated cost would be in the tens of millions of dollars. Consider the principals behind Bond Street Group, incorporated in 2014 -- Todd Leebow, Taylor Hawkins and Justin Strizzi. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2021/02/mid-rise-apartment-complex-planned-for.html The building is gorgeous looks like something you'd find in Chicago.
February 5, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, MyPhoneDead said: The building is gorgeous looks like something you'd find in Chicago. I'm loving that a lot of the newest crop of apartment proposals have taken a step up in terms of exterior design. The first bunch of new builds that came online around the Edison timeframe were all bland cookie-cutter designs that you could find in anytown USA. The fact that we can get higher-end exteriors really speaks volumes to how average rent prices have gone up in the last ~5 years.
February 5, 20214 yr On 2/4/2021 at 9:50 AM, KJP said: BTW, the quotes from DSCDO's Stalder came via e-mail. In his e-mails to me, his last quote in the article.... "Higher buildings are a natural desire for developers in this area to take advantage of the views of the lake and downtown. This is the first but I am certain it won’t be the last." ....was followed by a wink emoji. 😉 I went to school with Stalder at Athens HS. Interesting seeing his name in one of your articles. Very cool dude.
February 10, 20214 yr On 2/4/2021 at 9:40 AM, cle_guy90 said: Is this technically outside of Gordon square? I always thought W. 58th was the border. If not what are the actual boundaries of Gordon square? http://www.gordonsquare.org/visit/maps-and-parking/ GORDON SQUARE ARTS DISTRICT is a subset of Detroit Shoreway. And Detroit Shoreway is also home to Edgewater Beach, Cleveland EcoVillage, Lorain Avenue Antiques District ect. https://www.dscdo.org/neighborhood Gordon Square District History: The Gordon Square commercial district dates back over 100 years, including construction in 1911 of the Gordon Square Theatre (originally a vaudeville theater) and the 1921 construction of the landmark Gordon Square Arcade, which included a silent movie house, the Capitol Theatre. The bustling district was home to multiple immigrant groups but faced abandonment and decline in the latter part of the 20th century. In 1984, Cleveland Public Theatre first took up occupancy of the former Irish Social Hall near West 65th Street and Detroit Avenue, expanding its holdings in 1995 to include the Gordon Square Theatre. In 1999, Cleveland Public Theatre together with Detroit Shoreway Community Development Organization (DSCDO)—owner of the Capitol Theatre—unveiled their vision of Gordon Square as an arts district. In 2002, Near West Theatre joined the partnership. A collaborative campaign launched in 2006 that was led by Councilman Matt Zone and co-chairs Albert Ratner, d*ck Pogue and Tom Sullivan. Governed by a Mutual Reliance Agreement, the Gordon Square Arts District capital campaign spearheaded $30 million in fundraising in close collaboration with Cleveland Public Theatre, Near West Theater, and DSCDO. Because of this joint fundraising: The $3.5 million Detroit Avenue Streetscape was completed in 2009 $1 million was invested in parking expansion The Capitol Theatre received a $7.5 million renovation and re-opened in October 2009 Cleveland Public Theatre received $7.8 million in renovations A new $7.3 million home for Near West Theatre opened in spring 2015. The $30 million capital campaign concluded in December 2014. The Gordon Square Arts District board continued to invest in the district with public art and other programming through 2019, at which time it wound down its 501(c)3 operations. Ongoing maintenance, safety and marketing services along Detroit Avenue between West 58th and West 73rd Streets are provided by the Gordon Square Arts District-Cleveland Improvement Corporation (GSAD-CIC), a separate 501(c)3 non-profit organization. DSCDO is responsible for the overall economic development and revitalization of commercial/retail districts within its service area, including the Gordon Square Arts District. https://www.dscdo.org/gordonsquare#gsadhistory Edited February 10, 20214 yr by Larry1962 More details and links
February 10, 20214 yr On 2/4/2021 at 9:40 AM, cle_guy90 said: Is this technically outside of Gordon square? I always thought W. 58th was the border. If not what are the actual boundaries of Gordon square? http://www.gordonsquare.org/visit/maps-and-parking/ It is in part within the historic district.
February 10, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Larry1962 said: Ongoing maintenance, safety and marketing services along Detroit Avenue between West 58th and West 73rd Streets are provided by the Gordon Square Arts District-Cleveland Improvement Corporation (GSAD-CIC), a separate 501(c)3 non-profit organization. Thanks! This is probably why I got confused with the boundaries!
February 10, 20214 yr to add to the confusion, there was a push to rename Detroit-Shoreway as Gordon Square. That never really took hold.
February 10, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, freefourur said: to add to the confusion, there was a push to rename Detroit-Shoreway as Gordon Square. That never really took hold. It will take some time to set it, but a lot my neighbors (especially the newer ones) are calling the neighborhood Gordon Square now. The Shoreway ramp off w73rd even says Gordon Square as you enter the neighborhood, as do all of the lakefront trail signs. Edited February 10, 20214 yr by Clefan98
February 10, 20214 yr that is a nice project with an unusual twist of retail in front the apts instead of just under it and seemingly disconnected a bit. looks great -- and best of luck to them pulling it off, we'll all be watching. Edited February 10, 20214 yr by mrnyc
February 12, 20214 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 12, 20214 yr ^ Huge I'm impressed with the number of major street and infrastructure investments going on in the city. Detroit Shoreway alone has w65th, Lake Ave project and the Lorain Ave bike track (streetscape) to look forward to, and all very soon. Edited February 12, 20214 yr by Clefan98
February 12, 20214 yr 26 minutes ago, Clefan98 said: ^ Huge I'm impressed with the number of major street and infrastructure investments going on in the city. Detroit Shoreway alone has w65th, Lake Ave project and the Lorain Ave bike track (streetscape) to look forward to, and all very soon. I’m very disappointed actually. This is a glorified repaving project. They are not taking any significant step to help advance bike or ped infrastructure. On-street painted bike lanes and more crosswalks are the lowest of hanging fruit. Totally ignoring the TLCI corridor plan or Bike Cleveland’s input. Edited February 12, 20214 yr by Enginerd
February 12, 20214 yr This house is across the street from us and I watched the guy put his heart and soul into rehabbing it the last 2 years - and I'm happy to see him finally get to list it. Nonetheless, I think he short changed himself a bit on the price. It's crazy - it was listed on Wednesday and there's been at least two dozen people checking out the house since. https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1448-W-50th-St_Cleveland_OH_44102_M39914-45548 Edited February 12, 20214 yr by YABO713
February 12, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, YABO713 said: This house is across the street from us and I watched the guy put his heart and soul into rehabbing it the last 2 years - and I'm happy to see him finally get to list it. Nonetheless, I think he short changed himself a bit on the price. It's crazy - it was listed on Wednesday and there's been at least two dozen people checking out the house since. I replied here..... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 12, 20214 yr 34 minutes ago, Enginerd said: I’m very disappointed actually. This is a glorified repaving project. They are not taking any significant step to help advance bike or ped infrastructure. On-street painted bike lanes and more crosswalks are the lowest of hanging fruit. Totally ignoring the TLCI corridor plan or Bike Cleveland’s input. Which project are you talking about? w65th will have dedicated bike lanes and Lorain Ave will be Ohio's first cycle track. There's not much to complain about if you ask me.
February 12, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, Clefan98 said: Which project are you talking about? w65th will have dedicated bike lanes and Lorain Ave will be Ohio's first cycle track. There's not much to complain about if you ask me. I’m talking about W65th. It’s been identified as a key corridor to connecting all of the metroparks trail system. Look at what the TLCI proposed for the corridor. A multi-purpose path, curb extensions for crossings, bike boxes, etc. And Bike Cleveland was pushing for a protected bike path. https://www.bikecleveland.org/bike-cle/news/action-alert-w-65th-virtual-meeting/2020/06/ I’m personally not satisfied with painted bike lanes for this corridor. Experienced riders may be okay with them, but data has shown that inexperienced riders, children and the elderly avoid using them.
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