The first version is perfect! The second version is good as well BUT it is the small finishing touches on the first version such as the steps, the second floor open canopy and the 7th floor hangover that provided that extra presence/panache to a project.

6 minutes ago, ExPatClevGuy said:

@dastler All voices needed to build a community.   - ALL!

 

If only this were true.

Funny how garbage Club Azteca gets all this community noise and not that li’l Vietnam Market. That building is lovely and there is an actual business in it. My girlfriend and I plan to clean out their inventory of pho bowls and spoons after getting word of this. Sad to see them go... maybe I’ll start protesting and then become the squeaky wheel at the community noise committee thing. My building will stay and the only demo I’ll have to deal with is everyone on this forum verbally demolishing me for ruining this project 

If this whole process wasn't so sad it would be funny. You know the old saying "A camel is a horse designed by commettie." In this case the original design was just Ok but after going through the design review process (including comments by local "activists") the end product is just worse. 

 

The biggest problem as l see it is this is not a simple one time disappointment. This seems to happen everytime. Who are these "experts" on the committee and how did they get on the board?

 

I've been reading this site for years and l think this board is more insightful and more understanding of not just architecture but urban context. And l could be wrong but aren't most of us just interested amateurs?  How is it we have better awareness than the experts? WTF?

those boards are not composed of experts, they are composed of politically-connected people.

I was really impressed by the developer's rep Justin Strizzi.  Very well spoken and he did a great job of articulating the key issues and the history of the project.  He adroitly knew what points should be stressed and effectively addressed them given his audience.  Hope Bond has a lot more to offer in the future.

 

I also like the first design better but I cannot say I hate the revised version.  It is going to add a lot to Detroit and hopeful will be a catalysis for other projects, especially development of the used car lots.  In 10 years Detroit from Lake to downtown could be one of the city's  premiere streets.

Edited April 8, 20214 yr by Htsguy

Landmarks serves its purpose but its mission seems a bit bloated.  I agree with @w28ththat they really are not great with big projects

Waverly & Oak got approved. On to the next one, and there are lot more to consider in the coming weeks and months. If a couple of people on Landmarks were uncomfortable with the density/height of those projects, they ain't seen nothing yet...  We're just getting started with the New Roaring Twenties.

 

Oh, I like this image Crain's used much better. 

 

Bring back the steps in the southwest corner!

 

 

 

 

37 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

I was really impressed by the developer's rep Justin Strizzi.  Very well spoken and he did a great job of articulating the key issues and the history of the project.  He adroitly knew what points should be stressed and effectively addressed them given his audience.  Hope Bond has a lot more to offer in the future.

 

I also like the first design better but I cannot say I hate the revised version.  It is going to add a lot to Detroit and hopeful will be a catalysis for other projects, especially development of the used car lots.  In 10 years Detroit from Lake to downtown could be one of the city's  premiere streets.

Preach! 🙌🏼

54 minutes ago, KJP said:

Waverly & Oak got approved. On to the next one, and there are lot more to consider in the coming weeks and months. If a couple of people on Landmarks were uncomfortable with the density/height of those projects, they ain't seen nothing yet...  We're just getting started with the New Roaring Twenties.

 

Can you put a NSFW tag on when you talk like that?

 

I have a feeling though that pushback will be strong if we have some massive projects in the works a lot of people moved to these neighborhoods for the small town vibe in the city. Maybe I'm wrong.. hopefully I'm wrong

6 hours ago, Htsguy said:

Watching these Landmark meeting on-line the pass few months it seems as though the only thing Ms Anderson likes is ginger bread cottages.  And that appears to be her expertise.

 

Which begs the question, "how did she get her gig?"  

We're getting off topic here.

So excited waverly & oak got approved.  The bar is now set high for future developments in the neighborhood.

1 hour ago, CleWestSide said:

So excited waverly & oak got approved.  The bar is now set high for future developments in the neighborhood.

This is going to change the whole feel of the neighborhood, for the better. Also completes that block between 54th & 58th. The next targeted blocks should be between 49th & 54th and 74th & 81st. 

I hate to beat a dead horse but doesn't zoning in this area allow for buildings 250 feet high (or is that closer to the river)?  The reason I ask is that I was reading the Cleveland.com article reporting on the approval and it of course quoted commission members Anderson and Trott (who both voted no) saying the building is "too large" for its site (and this clearly means height because that is what they were grossing about at the meeting).  This despite the fact that it is practically downtown.

 

What I find frustrating is that this Board seems to ignore zoning if it doesn't fit its agenda and then moans that "sacred zoning" is being ignore as a tool to shoot down other projects they reject as too tall.  Specifically  members were all up in arms that Fulton House would have to seek a variance for its height and the project developer was blind to the areas zoning (as if they were trying to build a 20 story building).  

 

Edited April 9, 20214 yr by Htsguy

Fancy pants mega-projects aside, Knez is building a bunch of stuff in my gnarly corner of Detroit Shoreway. Four foundations on Lawn Ave (my gunsmoke street) and a handful nearly finished on Elton. Knez is the Bee’s Knez 

42 minutes ago, Nickel Plate RR said:

Fancy pants mega-projects aside, Knez is building a bunch of stuff in my gnarly corner of Detroit Shoreway. Four foundations on Lawn Ave (my gunsmoke street) and a handful nearly finished on Elton. Knez is the Bee’s Knez 

 

The price point on a lot of these new builds makes them attainable for families too, especially when paired with the tax abatement, which will hopefully encourage more young families to move into or stay in these neighborhoods.

I still say Knez is one of the best investors in this city, and he is doing it quietly. Big ticket items bring downtown back. Incremental developments, one house at a time bring the neighborhoods back. 

They have some brass balls; Knez. I’ve lived here since 2018 and this neighborhood is bananas, not for the faint of heart. They’re selling for between $250-$300K here and they’re actually accomplishing it... I’m so happy to see my li’l hood turn a corner 

It seems like Knez is gobbling up every vacant parcel in these neighborhoods. They are doing a lot of stuff in the Clark-Metro area, including two new homes on Brainard (that listed for $250k). 

On 8/22/2020 at 2:43 PM, KJP said:

 

SATURDAY, AUGUST 22, 2020

Edgewater Hill project: signs of sudden growth

 

For those watching the City Planning Commission's virtual meeting yesterday, two examples of sudden growth were apparent. Both centered around a new apartment building project in the Edgewater Hill section of Cleveland's Detroit-Shoreway neighborhood.

 

The examples of sudden growth raises a couple of tangential questions: Where did this apartment building development suddenly come from? And where did its developer, Brecksville-based United Community Developers, suddenly come from too?

 

The development is a 75-unit apartment building at 1351 W. 73rd St. whose design won final approval at yesterday's City Planning Commission meeting. Commission members were unanimous in their support of the final design. The project has the working title "West 73rd Street Apartments."

 

MORE

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/08/edgewater-hill-project-signs-of-sudden.html

 

Looks like this project might be officially dead. The site is now listed for sale on Loopnet for $1.2 million https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/1345-1357-West-73rd-St-Cleveland-OH/22787976/

Edited April 29, 20214 yr by tykaps

6 minutes ago, tykaps said:

Looks like this project might be officially dead. The site is now listed for sale on Loopnet for $1.2 million https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/1345-1357-West-73rd-St-Cleveland-OH/22787976/

 

Bummer...also further evidence that the viaduct project by this developer is likely not happening.

Thats a bummer - I thought this one was going to happen

Not surprising. But I expect someone to gobble it up soon.

Bummer...It was an attractive building with underground parking.  They seemed to have put a lot of time and effort into the project and I believe received final approval from the Planning Commission.

 

Are these guys just dreamers with some money to burn but no other resources other than their initial investment (I mean they have to pay the architect among others).  They pulled the same thing on Viaduct.  I would hope somebody would just purchase their plans and other  work product for this site and Viaduct since a lot of the early heavy lifting is complete.

Edited April 30, 20214 yr by Htsguy

I didn't realize the 2 projects had the same developer. Maybe they cut their teeth on much smaller projects and that's how they made their reputation. If that's the case they should stick to what they know how to do and don't waste everyone's time with pie in the sky stuff. We already deal with enough developer/political bullsh*t in this town.

They have no meaningful development reputation. They have no dossier of structural new-construction projects. All they have is some highway construction work, parking lot paving and home remodeling projects.

Any idea what Marvelish is?

6 minutes ago, marty15 said:

Any idea what Marvelish is?

This is what I could find. https://readysetcoffee.com/ I also only see trademarks for the name together.

Edited May 3, 20214 yr by WindyBuckeye

6 hours ago, marty15 said:

Any idea what Marvelish is?

 

Checked the Ohio SOS site.  Marvelish is a LLC registered to Christopher Allen.   I have heard he is opening a coffee shop, so it must be his dba name.   Fans of 90's Cleveland alt rock will remember him as one of the singer/guitarists for the band Rosavelt.    

6 hours ago, marty15 said:

Any idea what Marvelish is?

 

25 minutes ago, Cleburger said:

Checked the Ohio SOS site.  Marvelish is a LLC registered to Christopher Allen.   I have heard he is opening a coffee shop, so it must be his dba name.   Fans of 90's Cleveland alt rock will remember him as one of the singer/guitarists for the band Rosavelt.    

He also plays guitar and mandolin for Cleveland’s fantastic Pogues cover band, The Boys from County Hell. 

Anyway, more on the coffee shop:
Ready Set Coffee to open Gordon Square coffee bar, roastery in 2021

https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2020/10/ready-set-coffee-to-open-gordon-square-coffee-bar-roastery-in-2021.html
 

 

 

 

 

Gordon Square apartment project may fill visible corner

By Ken Prendergast / May 27, 2021

 

A Cleveland-based developer and construction contractor is broadening its horizons by getting involved in more multi-family buildings. To that end, The Krueger Group proposes to build a 27-unit, market-rate apartment building at the southwest corner of West 58th Street and Breakwater Avenue in the Gordon Square area.

 

The surrounding area is a mix of old and new residential, with for-sale and rental housing. Plus it has commercial and light-industrial buildings, including a former printing plant and auto parts warehouse that Krueger Group is turning into a self-storage business called Breakwater Storage. The storage business will also have a 10-employee law office on the second floor.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blog/2021/05/27/gordon-square-apartment-project-to-fill-visible-corner/

Very nice!  I like seeing these smaller apartment projects popping up around the city.

Nice to finally see some more detailed renderings of this one. I'm also loving all of the brick we've been seeing incorporated into recent projects.

Good luck with those topiary at the foundation.

I'll check back in a few years.  I hope they are still well maintained and I have to eat my words. 

Edited May 28, 20214 yr by ExPatClevGuy

On 5/3/2021 at 4:53 PM, Cleburger said:

Checked the Ohio SOS site.  Marvelish is a LLC registered to Christopher Allen.   I have heard he is opening a coffee shop, so it must be his dba name.   Fans of 90's Cleveland alt rock will remember him as one of the singer/guitarists for the band Rosavelt.    

 

My buddy saw Rosavelt one night and the very next day he went out and bought a Rickenbacker guitar lol. Glad to see more small businesses going in. Here's hoping my beloved Banter makes a return :-(

Waverly & Oak: Cleveland City Council panel helps clear way for redevelopment of historic Club Azteca site

 

https://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/2021/06/cleveland-city-council-helps-clear-way-for-redevelopment-of-historic-club-azteca-site.html

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio – A Cleveland City Council panel gave its approval Tuesday to legislation needed to allow for redevelopment at the former site of Club Azteca, a Mexican American social club.

A zoning change approved by the council’s Development, Planning and Sustainability Committee will allow construction of a 126-unit apartment building on the site – a design that drew praise for being sensitive to the legacy of Club Azteca.

…

Legislation for the zoning change could be approved by the full City Council next week. It would take effect once signed by Mayor Frank Jackson.

 

Unusual townhome project deemed appropriate for Cleveland historic district

 

An unusual eight-unit townhome project in Cleveland's Lorain Avenue Historic District could set the stage for similar development along the Lorain corridor.

 

The townhomes, which come in several sizes and configurations, are located in two buildings on an oddly shaped corner lot at W. 47th Street and Lorain Avenue.

 

They were deemed historically appropriate by an unanimous vote of the Cleveland Landmark Commission on Thursday.

 

Painesville, Ohio-based Knez Homes, Forest City Shuffleboard owner Jim Miketo, and their architect, Patrick Thornton of Sixmo Inc. have designed the project to meet Cleveland's pedestrian retail overlay and townhome zoning codes.

 

"Lorain is a diverse corridor," said Matthew Moss, a Cleveland city planner, during Thursday's Cleveland Landmarks Commission meeting.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cleveland/news/2021/06/10/townhome-project-appropriate-for-historic-district.html

 

Darn, I missed that one. Tough to keep up with everything! Looks like a good project with some nice density. 

great site for that. 

 

its quite an improvement as the render on the sign on lot via streetview doesnt look anything like that. maybe the sign was just a generic for sale sign though.

Nice to see the area getting some TLC.

5 hours ago, skiwest said:

Nice to see the area getting some TLC.

 

I feel like investing between downtown and Lakewood a no-brainer. What I don't seem to ever have a handle on is the timeline we're looking at...the pace of change can be...so......slow......

9 hours ago, surfohio said:

 

I feel like investing between downtown and Lakewood a no-brainer. What I don't seem to ever have a handle on is the timeline we're looking at...the pace of change can be...so......slow......

I lived on 58th and lorain and going east down lorain i was surprised on how much was new or relatively new construction or ongoing projects. I think it's hit a point where that neck of the woods is really hitting a healthy stride

Edited June 12, 20214 yr by FutureboyWonder

12 hours ago, FutureboyWonder said:

I lived on 58th and lorain and going east down lorain i was surprised on how much was new or relatively new construction or ongoing projects. I think it's hit a point where that neck of the woods is really hitting a healthy stride

 

It's been a while, but I also wanna say that the bulk of housing stock west of there is still mostly intact. 

Battery Park Blvd extension (6-13-21)

 

 

 

 

Site of the Battery Park Apartments developed by Avenue Partners

 

 

Sign for the lot just south of the Battery Park extension to West 70th. For more info on the parcel: https://images1.cityfeet.com/d2/KPimaQmFDKhyBshE5V70fK4D3oyNk0tGIRPi1h1wNtQ/document.pdf

 

p-p-p-pocket park?? a real big city neighborhood pocket park?! 😺

 

score! 😂🌳

 

THURSDAY, JULY 1, 2021

Seeds & Sprouts XVII - Cavs team shop to get facelift, Minute Men HQ & EDEN townhomes

 

Two townhouse projects planned, east and west

 

The Emerald Development and Economic Network Inc. (EDEN) has submitted construction permit applications to the city for two supportive townhouse developments. One would be on the city's west side and the other on the east side. Together, the $1.5 million investment represents the first phase of what EDEN hopes will be additional phases of townhomes citywide to provide housing for low-income people with disabilities.

 

The larger of the two rental developments will be on the west side at 7915-19 Madison Ave., across the street from EDEN's offices, 7812 Madison. Here, five townhomes costing $1.1 million will be built on vacant land owned by EDEN that extends south to Guthrie Avenue, according to documents submitted to the city.

 

MORE

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2021/07/seeds-sprouts-xvii-cavs-team-shop-to.html