June 6, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, cadmen said: Is gentrification a good or bad thing? Depends on who you ask. I think most of us live with blinders on. Unable to see things that don't fit their preconceptions. The world is usually more nuanced and complicated than most are willing to admit. I try to look beyond what someone is saying and see if I can figure out what is prompting their position in the first place. I may not agree with their statement but if I can find their reason it's usually more insightful than their statement. Isn't that the first step to understanding? And once you understand someone then it's easier to find a solution to a problem. In my opinion, there is very little gentrification in the city of Cleveland. Most of what is occurring is run down neighborhoods are simply going through a redevelopment stage.
June 6, 20223 yr In my opinion, there is very little gentrification in the city of Cleveland. Most of what is occurring is run down neighborhoods are simply going through a redevelopment stage. Agreed, a lot of the big projects recently have been parking lots and/or abandoned warehouses. I find when people use gentrification in Cleveland they just mean higher income populations moving into what has been low income communities for the last few decades
June 6, 20223 yr ^ I agree. While there are those who are being priced out of some neighborhoods I think at this point the scale of gentrification is still quite small. We could use a lot more development in the city. I also think as gentrification increases this is the time to put some thought into how to bring along those who can no longer afford the rent or pay the property taxes if they own. Cleveland continues to be a poor city so our baby steps at economic progress show us the road is still a long one. Even so, we have to figure out a way to include the habitually poor. I know there is a history of failed social programs but we can't give up. Maybe we need to look outside the country to see what kind of programs work there and apply some of those successful ideas here. I believe a rising tide lifts all boats. If we can figure out a way to create citizens who are more a part of the solution and less a part of the problem we will all benefit.
June 16, 20222 yr Battery Park Apartments (6-15-22) Park Place Townhomes West 73rd Street Apartments site prep
June 16, 20222 yr Are the last three pictures the site of the proposed Horton and Harper apartment building? If yes, I’m surprised to see work being done on the site. It is only up for schematic approval tomorrow before the planning commission and apparently is a opposed by the ward council person.
June 16, 20222 yr How many units have been added to this area in the past 10-15 years? Its gotta be a pretty crazy number, right? Edited June 16, 20222 yr by Ineffable_Matt
June 17, 20222 yr I’ve never heard of another Cleveland council person pipe in more sharing their disapproval or elongating the process for developments and businesses, more than Jenny Spencer. The w 73 st apartments is a great development, tastefully done and instantly transforms the transition from Gordon square to battery park.
June 17, 20222 yr Will also say the city needs to put our money where their mouth is, I agree with the reduction of parking and making it more difficult for folk to use their car in our city forcing them to look for alternatives however especially in a 4 season city the city needs to reinvest in real public transit alternatives… street cars/rail and expand them to our cities newer denser neighborhoods. I’d bike year round if I could but that’s just not realistic here (let alone walking, the city lags in clearing snow by days), need real alternatives especially as we continue to grow our population and reduce parking.
June 17, 20222 yr Any word on outcome of the Planning Commission meeting today? Tabled because “there’s a lot to unpack”, “the design isn’t good” however no direction was given to Wes they’re going to talk to him offline about future steps
June 17, 20222 yr 12 minutes ago, BoomerangCleRes said: Tabled because “there’s a lot to unpack”, “the design isn’t good” however no direction was given to Wes they’re going to talk to him offline about future steps This is infuriating. This neighborhood grows because of it’s location only. It’s a slow, difficult slog because of its inept “leadership”. Edited June 17, 20222 yr by marty15
June 17, 20222 yr 36 minutes ago, BoomerangCleRes said: I’d bike year round if I could but that’s just not realistic here (let alone walking, the city lags in clearing snow by days), need real alternatives especially as we continue to grow our population and reduce parking. Get a better bike! lol joking, one thing that's great about this neighborhood is having the Metroparks nearby where they actually clear paths in the winter (not sure if the D-S side of the path falls under the metroparks jurisdiction or not). I've ranted about it time and time again (mostly during Jackson admin) but Detroit has a great snow plan and there's no reason we can't either (I have faith in Bibb for this). 15 minutes ago, BoomerangCleRes said: Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Major League was on the other night and couldn't help but think of this development when they showed Lynn Weslin's apartment lol: The actual movie shows the apartment a lot better than this, but maybe it'll refresh some memories of what I'm talking about.
June 17, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, BoomerangCleRes said: Tabled because “there’s a lot to unpack”, “the design isn’t good” however no direction was given to Wes they’re going to talk to him offline about future steps Wow, sure sounds like an Open Meetings Act violation. Edited June 17, 20222 yr by grayfields
June 17, 20222 yr Residents over here competing with Hessler Street residents on the "I'm not anti-development BUT don't develop anything here unless it's single family homes" anti-development take. Literal people in new builds from 2013 in Battery Park complaining about new development because it doesn't fit their single family home mindset. Guess what, you all didn't purchase the land. Charles Slife NAILED it, by the way Edited June 17, 20222 yr by downtownjoe
June 17, 20222 yr . Charles Slife NAILED it, by the wayI didn’t want to take up the thread more than I did but yes Slife had the [emoji238] take, everything he said was perfect
June 17, 20222 yr 40 minutes ago, BoomerangCleRes said: I didn’t want to take up the thread more than I did but yes Slife had the take, everything he said was perfect His comments: https://youtu.be/tfWNWKLPhi4?list=PLJLxV4B9wSw8ve-uz7oMdS1YJyJKgRadH&t=8101
June 17, 20222 yr 2 hours ago, BoomerangCleRes said: I didn’t want to take up the thread more than I did but yes Slife had the take, everything he said was perfect 1 hour ago, GISguy said: His comments: https://youtu.be/tfWNWKLPhi4?list=PLJLxV4B9wSw8ve-uz7oMdS1YJyJKgRadH&t=8101 Thx for posting - every single thing about Counselor Slife’s commentary was perfect When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
June 17, 20222 yr Sorry for being lazy but can someone tell me the minute mark Slife's comments occur in this very long video?
June 17, 20222 yr Sorry for being lazy but can someone tell me the minute mark Slife's comments occur in this very long video?Councilwoman, Matt zone, and nimbys comments start at 1:32:56 Slife’s response starts at 2:14:54
June 17, 20222 yr 11 minutes ago, cadmen said: Sorry for being lazy but can someone tell me the minute mark Slife's comments occur in this very long video? The link took me directly to start of Slife’s comments. @GISguy is good like that. When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
June 17, 20222 yr Any time I hear the chorus of density concerns I immediately think to myself why isn't the conversation about demanding better transit in the area. Car infrastructure only gets a place so far. Greats places figure it out, it's nothing new in the evolution of cities. Personal opinion on the actual design, I dislike the look from the Mount Carmel footie field. edit: I just got to Slife's comments and was glad to hear some of his points echoed what I was trying to convey. Edited June 17, 20222 yr by viscomi
June 19, 20222 yr the Planning Commission needs to tread lightly on this. The project is within zoning code. Design is subjective. They failed to give any comments on what they would recommend to improve it. And on a side note I did notice in Jenny Spencers letter she referenced the Westinghouse Building as a project. Edited June 19, 20222 yr by CleWestSide deleted a quote
June 22, 20222 yr Walz about to get started! Let’s get this thing goin already. This complex will have a dramatic effect on that stretch of Detroit.
June 23, 20222 yr Ax throwing parlor and ice cream shop going in next to Happy Dog.http://cdn.urbanohio.com/monthly_2022_06/1D342F58-30BD-48DE-BDC3-8779A13B3862.thumb.jpeg.bd596831d562b78390ef5379bfbab72d.jpegI thought this was stalled… in a recent city meeting Jenny Spencer was 100% against ax throwing in her neighborhood and the approval was tabled unless something changed yesterday. (I don’t think she’s noticed it’s been a growing trend for years)
June 23, 20222 yr Lol I would love to read those meeting minutes for an argument against a very casual, wholesome business that has shown success everywhere else.
June 23, 20222 yr On 6/17/2022 at 4:02 PM, BoomerangCleRes said: Councilwoman, Matt zone, and nimbys comments start at 1:32:56 Slife’s response starts at 2:14:54 I was really disgusted by Zone’s comments tbh. The architect said they had met with the block club and near west design review…but how dare the “out of state developer” not kiss Jenny Spencer’s ring.
June 23, 20222 yr 1 minute ago, Enginerd said: I was really disgusted by Zone’s comments tbh. The architect said they had met with the block club and near west design review…but how dare the “out of state developer” not kiss Jenny Spencer’s ring. The mob mentality there is real.
June 23, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, BoomerangCleRes said: I thought this was stalled… in a recent city meeting Jenny Spencer was 100% against ax throwing in her neighborhood and the approval was tabled unless something changed yesterday. (I don’t think she’s noticed it’s been a growing trend for years) She’s really become a burden on this city.
June 23, 20222 yr 11 minutes ago, marty15 said: She’s really become a burden on this city. She is a casual acquaintance of mine and I was excited to see her get onto council. Unfortunately, my excitement was ill placed. She seems to cave to the worst forces in the city.
June 23, 20222 yr 1 minute ago, freefourur said: She is a casual acquaintance of mine and I was excited to see her get onto council. Unfortunately, my excitement was ill placed. She seems to cave to the worst forces in the city. I was hopeful as well.
June 23, 20222 yr Lol I would love to read those meeting minutes for an argument against a very casual, wholesome business that has shown success everywhere else. https://youtu.be/szUvNrpqpdw2:37 - Project starts2:45 - Economic developer for the neighborhood (where the back and forth begins)3:07 - councilwoman Spencer interrupts
June 23, 20222 yr 1 minute ago, marty15 said: I was hopeful as well. Charlie Slife is also a casual acquaintance of mine and I couldn't be happier to have him on council.
June 23, 20222 yr In more upbeat news across the street from the “pending” ax throwing place, the Spice building is gaining a new restaurant. Pretty excited to see that space in use
June 23, 20222 yr How is axe throwing a controversial development? It seems fairly innocuous. Could certainly be polarizing if one didn’t an ounce of research. Thought it was funny the applicant got up during the presentation to demonstrate
June 23, 20222 yr 21 minutes ago, BoomerangCleRes said: In more upbeat news across the street from the “pending” ax throwing place, the Spice building is gaining a new restaurant. Pretty excited to see that space in use You have any details??’!!
June 23, 20222 yr You have any details??’!!Seems the owners of Salt Cleveland opening something new? https://www.instagram.com/p/CfJzBfhgkqU/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=https://www.clevescene.com/food-drink/jill-vedaa-and-jessica-parkinson-to-open-new-restaurant-in-former-spice-space-in-gordon-square-39187694
June 23, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, BoomerangCleRes said: https://youtu.be/szUvNrpqpdw 2:37 - Project starts 2:45 - Economic developer for the neighborhood (where the back and forth begins) 3:07 - councilwoman Spencer interrupts This whole thing is ridiculous. It sounds like Spencer got her feelings hurt because the developer did not meet with her or the ED Director as Detroit-Shoreway. This seems ridiculous. Why is a community meeting needed for axe throwing? I hate the people the run this city. Edited June 23, 20222 yr by freefourur
June 23, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, BoomerangCleRes said: https://youtu.be/szUvNrpqpdw 2:37 - Project starts 2:45 - Economic developer for the neighborhood (where the back and forth begins) 3:07 - councilwoman Spencer interrupts Wow this guy did all his due diligence already so the board's excuse is flimsy to say the least. He already was approved for renovations for an axe throwing business and completed the renovations it seems. So turning a long abandoned building into a family friendly event space is a great win. Can't believe they are trying to stim organic growth and rejuvenation of an area.
June 23, 20222 yr The BOZA meeting was from May. Have they had a follow up yet?Nope haven’t seen him back, also don’t see him on the agenda for the next meeting either.
June 24, 20222 yr I live in the block club area for the ax throwing place. There were a bunch of emails about it. The owner apparently runs a cash for gold business and has owned a bunch of businesses in Parma that have become nuisance properties. The owner of happy dog chimed in and said he’s not against the idea but that the guy didnt seem like a good proprietor. I don’t know exactly how I feel. I’d be happy to see a new business there and I’m more interested in the ice cream than the ax throwing. That building doesn’t seem big enough compared to the ax throwing places I’ve been to. Maybe I’m wrong. I will say that they literally littered our street with free ice cream coupons a couple weeks ago. Not just in each mailbox, but stuck to fences, all over the sidewalk, etc. Turned me off from them even more.
June 24, 20222 yr 49 minutes ago, Morningtheft2 said: I live in the block club area for the ax throwing place. There were a bunch of emails about it. The owner apparently runs a cash for gold business and has owned a bunch of businesses in Parma that have become nuisance properties. The owner of happy dog chimed in and said he’s not against the idea but that the guy didnt seem like a good proprietor. I don’t know exactly how I feel. I’d be happy to see a new business there and I’m more interested in the ice cream than the ax throwing. That building doesn’t seem big enough compared to the ax throwing places I’ve been to. Maybe I’m wrong. I will say that they literally littered our street with free ice cream coupons a couple weeks ago. Not just in each mailbox, but stuck to fences, all over the sidewalk, etc. Turned me off from them even more. So it seems to me that they're worried this guy will create a nuisance and they are hiding behind the ax throwing thing. This is super shady on Spencer's part.
June 24, 20222 yr 13 hours ago, freefourur said: She is a casual acquaintance of mine and I was excited to see her get onto council. Unfortunately, my excitement was ill placed. She seems to cave to the worst forces in the city. Yes a huge disappointment. She might as well be Dona Brady all over again.
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